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All right, this episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by Stateside with Kai and Carter, a new podcast from The Guardian. And they are using this podcast to slow down the news and wrestle with the questions that we all have about what's happening in the world. And they do it three times a week, Jason. Does that sound familiar to you? We don't really talk about, you know, a lot of international global news items and climates and cultures and sports and things like that. We do talk about fashion and wellness, but for everything else, Kai and Carter are a great place. All right, so who couldn't use more news? Listen wherever you get your podcast. or watch on YouTube. How long gone? Chris Black live from the East Village in Money Making Manhattan. Lots of stuff going on this morning. It's been a busy one for me, TJ. How are you feeling? Oh, really? I mean, you had a three-day weekend, so you're probably catching up from all the Labor Day stuff, right? What's a three-day weekend, Jason? I don't understand kind of what that means. I do celebrate labor by laboring, which might not be exactly the intention, but that's not my problem. did stuff a long time ago that was hard, and then you do that by working even harder. Okay, perfect. And that's good. That's good. So basically, okay, cool. So that's something you could also emulate for me. You know what I mean? Like you kind of see me working hard for years as friends, and then you kind of step up to kind of match me. I'm not the stepfather. I'm the father that stepped up. Exactly, exactly. But there's just so much news today, Jason. It's unbelievable. Fall is here and people are back in action. Harry Styles is wearing an ugly collar and spitting on Chris Pine. Kim K is wearing a jockstrap on the cover of Interview. Jerry Seinfeld is wearing a Kith 5 panel in their new campaign. Jennifer Lawrence is on the cover of Vogue, shot by Tina Barney. I mean, it's truly been a massive day in stuff that doesn't matter news. Black people learned who Florence...

is this weekend a lot has happened rafael nadal upset by big foe uh last yesterday at the u.s open so it's just it's non-stop news okay well let's go what we gotta do we can't just breeze through i feel like there's a lot of gristle on these bones here black what do you uh so the first thing you said was harry styles spit harry styles spit on chris pine at the venice film festival because their cursed movie is bombing and everyone hates each other harry and olivia broke up that's my theory what do you think so there's like a video of harry styles just like talking a loogie on actor chris pine or is this still a little unconfirmed a little cloudy it's it's i mean it's cloudy for some maybe they don't have their glasses on uh but for us with lasik uh the the spit was the spittle was clear, it was underhanded, he was slick with it, TJ. And Chris Pine's reaction leads you to believe that it was spit. He had a guffaw on his face? Not even a guffaw. He has more of a, all right, bitch. It was like a game on kind of look? It was either like, I'm going to suck your dick later, or I fucked your chick. I don't know which. With Harry Styles, it's both. And I think that there's something going on with those two. Chris Pine looked absolutely insane. Doesn't it seem odd for two A-list celebrities all on a red carpet to just straight up be spitting upon each other in the public forum? I think that when things bubble over, Jason, you know celebrities love to behave badly. And this is just another case of that. And I think there's romantic love. There's a lot of factors here beyond. the working relationship and the movie having a 39% on Rotten Tomatoes. So it's safe to say that thanks to Venice, Harry and the gang can't be tamed. They cannot be tamed. Harry needs to, first of all, musicians, just a quick tip for me, stop acting. You know what I'm saying? Let's just cut it out. We don't need to do that. If you're this good at one thing, maybe just kind of do that thing. I agree with that wholeheartedly. There's an interview with Harry being like, this movie's like...

I feel like I'm in a movie. And Chris Pine's looking at him like, I'm inside the movie almost. I'm like, yeah, that's a camera. I mean, look, these guys are high, too. Let's not forget that. Unfortunately, I think this movie, which is probably bad, is going to... I think the amount of press it's gotten and the amount of shit around it is going to compel people to see it. It could have a Geely effect. It's almost as if this whole thing was planned, you know what I mean? Exactly. This feels like 9-11 to me, Jason. They're like, so somebody wrote a script and made a movie for tens of millions of dollars. They didn't do a good enough job at creating drama in this dramatized drama. So we have to have our 23-year-old social media intern craft a more compelling plot line for people to buy tickets. I think that... It really comes down to Olivia Wilde being bad. Like, I think she might be kind of deep down a dark soul. Oh, so not naughty, but like perhaps evil lurk inside her? No, I'm sure she's a freak, but also evil. I mean, you can kind of tell when somebody just straight up evil, you know? And it's a shame when they get their claws into such a loving, bright light like Harold, stylish, right? You understand where I'm coming from. But in better news, I guess that Mel Ottenberg over there at Interview is able to kind of get this photo of Kim's butt before she deflated it. And the timing is impeccable. Her dumper is poking out over some, I believe. Bottega jeans. I don't know who the jockstrap is by. So it's both erotic and homoerotic, which is a nice combo. Knowing, Mel, it was Fruit of the Loom Couture, I think 2003 is what that was. Yeah, it's a vintage Fruit of the Loom. He did wear it first, but that's besides the point. But the cover is really good. Honestly, I think it's really cool. I don't know if I'm into this. This bleached eyebrows trend continuing. Kim has her eyebrows bleached. Her hair is blonde. She looks... I mean, the listeners know our stance on bleached eyebrow hive. That's true. Nobody's looking at that photo and being like, damn, I'm so glad she didn't have brown eyebrows. Otherwise... This could have been bad. You know, this could have been really bad. She looks crazy, but also hot. It's a confusing combo. But, you know, that's kind of...

that's kind of kim's whole thing she zigs i zag there's also this jennifer lawrence on the cover of vogue and shot by tina barney who's like a legend but there's a great photo where they left the pool cleaner in which i am do you mean do you mean the human pool cleaner or is one of those like remote control guy units no no one of the one of the Kind of the humans. Somebody, you know, you don't have one yet, but I know you're kind of grinding. Right, right. And I love your pool person, Chris. You over at the estate, over at the 400 square foot estate. Is that what you're talking about? No, I'm not saying that I have a pool either. I just know you're more interested than I am. Oh, yeah. But a photo of a pool guy in the background while you're wearing, let's see what she's wearing. She's wearing Altazara and there's a pool cleaner in the background. He's got his Sambas on, his white socks, his cat. Becky shorts, his polo shirt. Honestly, it could be me or you in the background of this photo. So the pool person was styled as well? No, no, no. The pool person's wearing, I believe, pool person's own clothes. So models own Sambas in 2022? You're buying that, Chris? Come on. I think so, honestly. How clean are the Sambas? They don't look super clean. Okay. Look, they're a little out of focus, if I'm being honest, but they don't look super clean. What magazine is it? It's a Vogue magazine. Vogue magazine. Is that a U-E or O-U? The photos are cool, but that photo in particular, I think that's a nice... I'm a big Tina Barney head, so I kind of like that they included the... It feels... She's also on a diving board, which you know I'm a big pro diving board guy. So Barney is like, yo, what's your name? Estevan? Estevan stays, and they're like... are you fucking serious barney and she's like esteban stage i have a feeling that maybe esteban wasn't alerted but maybe did his face is not pictured so maybe he didn't have to sign a release i can get into this you know i can find out if you want me to buy poc erasure continues in hollywood and thanks a lot vogue magazine you're not as bad as gq in terms of violating those terms but you know you're nipping on their heels he could have gotten a day rate for all i know i mean i would just be happy to be included well i mean he gets he gets 75 if he does

the deep end but i'm saying oh you say additional oh you're saying additional okay i'm scale before before we get to our guests i mean the kith seinfeld thing what else is there to say i mean we've hit we've hit the bottom and we can only go up from here My question is... We hit the bottom of a fashion hole. How much do you think Jerry charged? Or do you think it was a donation to charity? Or do you think that Jerry has a child who was like, Dad, Kith is cool. You should just do this. I think Jerry's 19-year-old wife was like, It's really cool. You should totally do this. Kith is an awesome ice cream company in New York. And he's like... Kid. Jerry's wife, first of all, is age appropriate and is a great chef and healthy that you should look into her stuff, Jason. You'd probably like it. She's healthy? She's a healthy? She's kind of like a Long Island Gwyneth Paltrow. You know what I mean? Okay. So she has a hit cookbook and a large social media following, but in like a cool way, not in a Chrissy Teigen way. I just want to make that clear. Okay. I'm interested now. You can check it out. But yeah, check out that Kith lookbook for me when you get a chance. We do have a guest today. S.G. Goodman is a musician from the beautiful state of Kentucky. Her album Teeth Marks on Verve Forecast is in stores now. There's a song on the album that is kind of my theme song, Jason, that I've kind of adopted called Work Until I Die. I'm going to ask her. We're going to see. She'll probably put us in touch with her kind of her publishing person. I don't know how she controls. about kind of shifting the theme song to, you know, work until I die. I have a feeling, how close did you pay attention to the lyrics of that song, Chris? I don't know if the message was exactly what you were hoping it would be. The message is somewhere in between what I was hoping it would be and what it actually is. Is it sort of a Union Busters anthem is kind of what you thought it might be? No, I didn't think it was. She goes dropkick Murphys mode on it? Oh, hell no. The title is so evocative.

that I have to stand. You know what I mean? Like, what can I say? It's A+. All right, let's give SG a jingle and see what's really going on on the road. SG, she's named after the guitar. What a great axe. Okay, bye. This episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by Squarespace. Obviously, Jason, you and I spend a lot of time on the World Wide Web, so do our peers, our listeners, our friends, our colleagues, maybe even your parents if they're freaky. And if you're doing anything in the world, writing, taking pictures. I do topless boxing. You need a website. Exactly. A website that works, that does what it's supposed to do, that allows you to be creative but also business-minded. Jason, there's one place to go for that, Squarespace. Yeah, Chris, I'm over here. I'm modifying calculators and putting Claude inside of them so you could cheat at school. And I just want a place where I could have everything all in one place. I can have the SEO tools. So those future graduates can find me and, you know, I'm able to accept, quote unquote, donations for my services that might be gray area. You know what I mean? And then email campaigns. Hey, I got a new, you know, 2.3 version upgrade. Boom, boom, boom. Get the analytics going. Raise some money. You know, show your investor all of your cool analytics of what's going on. They're going to want to get in early and we can use Blueprint AI to make your website look as professional. as your competition, if not more. So head to squarespace.com slash how long for a free trial. When you're ready to launch, use offer code how long to save 10% off your first purchase of a website or a domain. This episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by a new podcast from the Guardian stateside with Kai and Carter. This is covering a lot of our bases, Jason. It's trying to slow down. The news and wrestle with the questions we all have about what's happening in the world. And I know you particularly have quite a lot of questions. A lot of questions. But how often? Because we do this podcast three times a week and that's a sweet spot. How many times do they do? Three times a week. And I have a feeling just based on the platform and these talking points that they're maybe going to be covering different stuff than we do. That's just a guess. The Guardian is not some billionaire owned.

They're not afraid to say what they want to say, brother. Yeah, Rupert ain't sniffing around in what journalists Kai Wright and Carter Sherman are up to over there at Stateside. But yeah, listen wherever you get your podcasts. You can watch it on YouTube. It's three times a week. And who couldn't use more news? You know, especially when it's not, you know, from here, let's say. Give it a listen. Give it a listen. All right, this episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by Quince. Jason, the temps are warming up. It's getting hot out there. Summer always changes how I get dressed. I need pieces that feel lighter, more breathable, and they're just easy but still put together. I don't want to look like a slob. That's why I keep coming back to Quince. They focus on high-quality essentials that feel and look amazing. Breathable linen and soft organic cottons. Well-made basics but without the luxury markups. That rare balance where everything feels elevated. but still effortless. Yeah, Chris, linen season is here. I wore a linen blazer to dinner a few nights ago in the warm California sun. But, you know, you got that Italy trip coming up this summer and quality European linen pants and shirts. upgrade that look starting at just $34 you know if you get a nice linen suit a little t-shirt underneath it some chill shoes you're looking good but you're staying cool the inside of your special areas are nice and dry as you turn up with your besties so elevate that summer wardrobe go to quince.com slash how long for free shipping on your order and 365 day returns even on a nice holiday now available in canada That is Q-U-I-N-C-E dot com slash how long. That'll get you free shipping and 365 day returns. Quince punto com slash how long. I'm always interested, though, when I meet people that go by initials, what is the what is the reason for this? Is it something that you just think is cooler? Because it is. Because of my accent, I already every time I tell someone I'm a musician, oh, you sing country music. And I'm like, no, not.

necessarily i could i'm a country person but listen to my listen to my name it's uh shana it's shana gail goodman and imagine shit you know okay it's like that's all you gotta say yeah that's all you gotta say that's what i'm saying So it just makes sense. You're tired of being pigeonholed as a country artist because you're a country person. And sometimes there's some blurring lines there for people. I mean, I wouldn't say I'm tired of it. I love country music. It's just, I think, not a great, you know, if I told someone I write country music and they go listen to my records, they're going to be like. One that doesn't sound like old country and it doesn't sound like new country. They're like, Goodman, if this is country, you can kiss my ass. Yeah, exactly. I'm pretty sure if I did a rap song, it would sound country. I don't get lost in genres anyway. Who cares? Everybody else needs them. I don't. I'm with you on that. I try not to get lost in genres either. And I think that country music is going through a little bit of an identity crisis in some ways right now. And I think there's some backlash against what some refer to as pop country. I mean, but that's how it has always been with country music. When they put the drums into country music, you know, forever they did like the string plucks. Yeah. And that was too much of a rhythm section for some people. You know? So it's like, who cares? People who get off on, oh, this is bad or whatever, this is too pop. It's like music has always been meant for people to remember it. And sometimes you have to make music for more of a simple-minded folk to remember. You know what I mean? That's why you have the DJ Khaleds of the world and things like that. It's true. You don't like his new song with Jay-Z? Are you banging God did in the tour bus, SG?

i mean i checked it out i checked out everything i'm not apparently as pretentious as y'all you know i'll check it out that's for shit sure sg that's for shit sure no i'm about as pretentious as it comes yeah we are a little pretentious but i also check out everything you know i like to go on apple music and scroll the new releases you know um and yeah yeah i'm often disappointed but sometimes i'm pleasantly surprised that's the beauty of our algorithmic culture yeah once every six months i'll discover a new song on Spotify that I actually like. Yeah. Exactly. Once every six months when I delve through the 12,000 new songs that I've been put out. Yeah. I've had friends who have recently and one of my touring mates from last year, they both have opened for Harry Styles and you want to talk about a nightmare, just have one of your friends open for Harry Styles and all of a sudden your entire Instagram, you like one of their pictures and all. All I have is just a feed of Harry Styles, and I don't even know. I was watching a movie on the way home from Europe, from being on tour over there. I didn't know he was an actor. I don't know who Harry Styles is, but he's a big deal, and he's all over my shit right now. I like it, because talking to you feels like I'm talking to like... my friend's cool aunt even though i'm probably older than you if that makes sense i get that a lot you know i'm either the aunt or the i'm more of like a mammal you know i'm like the grandma of the group you're the grandma of the group you don't know much about the current music and culture going on but you you're gonna have a you're gonna have a spicy opinion about it one way or another a hundred percent yeah for sure that's just how me ma do it yep That's how me might do it. I think that, look, we were talking about Harold Stylish just in the intro before you came on. And I was suggesting, and maybe you can weigh in on this as a musician.

Musicians have to stop acting. We got actors for that. You know what I mean? I know you're hot. I know you're rich. There's a couple. You got Barbra Streisand. You got Cher. There's a few diamonds in the rough. Of course. Steven Seagal, of course, has a pretty good little back catalog. But other than that, not really. But think about how long ago that was. You know what I mean? Think about how long ago that was. The modern twist is just not there. Yeah. And I didn't know. So do you have any acting ambitions? Let me tell you my acting story. I have one, okay? I was brought up in a really small kind of impoverished county in western Kentucky, Fulton County. I graduated with a class of 56 people. Not a big Broadway scene? Not a big Broadway scene. 56 people in the class, okay. 56 people in my graduating class. Anyway, as a young kid, probably about fourth grade, I was told by all my teachers that I really had potential to do some acting. I was great. Really? I had some leading roles in school plays. I was the Cowardly Lion and Wizard of Oz, and I was really interested. Talk of the town. Yeah, talk of the town. I went across the county line to Tennessee to a much bigger county. and I tried out for a role in play Annie. Yes, yeah, yeah, we're familiar. Classic. And these little bitches, they must have been in, like, dance class since they were two years old. They knew how to meet Marks. I mean, I was good with remembering lines at that age, and I could sing or whatever, but they knew everything about, you know, what to do. And we were young kids, so basically, My mom got the call that I didn't make the cut, and that was the end of my acting career, unfortunately. I realized that was my first, I guess, kind of introduction to class differences. But, yeah, we didn't have a theater at my school, believe it or not. So that was the end of my acting career, and I don't imagine I'll be getting called up any time since. Look, you can't.

I don't think you can rule this out completely. You're a character in yourself. Remember when Bradford from Deer Hunter was in Dallas Buyers Project? No. Dallas Buyers Club. Dallas Buyers Club. That was a nice surprise. He got by on his emaciated looks, though. He was playing a man dying of AIDS, and he does look very thin. Typecast. It was typecast, but he was able to pull it off. And, look, he hasn't done much since, but I'm just saying. He's a ways away from the EGOT, but, you know, never give up grinding. Yeah. Never give up grinding. So, SG, how does it make you feel that now you're watching movies on a first-class airplane, playing festivals and shows and concerts? turning down opening slots for the black keys or whatever you're doing over there. All these little bitches that were fucking with you on Annie, they have opioid addictions. They're living in a van down by the river. And now you're really getting the last laugh. I'm sitting in the finest Airbnb of all of Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania right now. Hand doors backed up to a building so my stuff doesn't get stolen. I mean, yeah. Yeah, take it. If that ain't country. Take it, Annie girls. Yeah. Look, Annie girls, they don't even know what Airbnb is, okay? Yeah. They've never been out of the county. This hotel looks like a house, y'all. There's nothing more country than referring to counties, and that's something. As a person who's from, I'm from the South as well, and county is something I haven't heard in a while since I've kind of blossomed into a coastal elite. Yeah, I'm a county girl. Whereas I'm from Orange County, California, I'm sure you've seen Selling OC on Netflix, right? I don't actually watch, I don't own a TV, and I have a computer that I watch YouTube on sometimes, but I have heard of Orange County, believe it or not.

But that's about it. No, I haven't heard of it. What are they selling in OC? What are they selling? Just a lifestyle and a dream. Okay, okay. High-end real estate, but that is a lifestyle and a dream when you think about it. You know what I mean? So what's popping up? I know you're obviously watching Hella Rogan, but what else is popping up on your YouTube algo? Well, I like to do research on the restaurant scenes and the places I'm traveling because, as you could imagine, Fulton County, Kentucky wasn't known for its fine dining or its ethnic cuisine. So, you know, I'm all about figuring out where I can get some good pho or some dim sum in cities. So I watch, like, these random food bloggers. I'm into this one duo, these brothers called the Fun Bros. And they're now, they were located in L.A., but now they're in New York City, and that's where I spend a lot of time. So I'll, you know, I'll do that. I've been playing a festival in Ohio called Nelsonville Fest or something like that. What a name. Yeah, I've been on the road for, I don't know, pretty much solid for a while. And I'm extremely exhausted. And my girlfriend's out with me right now. And we watched M.D. Moktar, which is an amazing band. I was like, let's go after this. I didn't catch Yola Tango. Went home, and I don't, you know, when I'm at a hotel, I'll turn on the diner's drive-ins and dives to get rid of that. Of course. Because it's always on. It's always on. Everyone watches it in the hotel. Yeah, Flavortown. Have y'all ever been to Flavortown? Anyway. A number of times, sweetheart, a number of times. My girlfriend was sitting there, and she was like, I don't know how you watch this. I just want everything. I want shrimp scampi. She was just having a hard time watching. I mean, she was in pain watching all these different dishes come out. Is she doing a juice cleanse right now or something? What's stopping her from getting her little grind on? I just think she just wasn't. I guess I'm numb to it because I like to cook, so I'm trying to figure out how to make, I guess, the best.

you know philly cheesesteak in the world or something but um you were mentioning pho and and dumplings and things like that i'm glad that you too share a taste for the orient and i'm also a big fan of cooking so if you ever if you ever come over down to los angeles i'll show you the best bowl of pho you ever done slurped on okay wow I'll take that challenge because right now there's like a short rib close to where my girlfriend lives in Brooklyn that I have been trying to beat for the last few months, and I can't find one to beat it. Does this place have a name? Yeah, I know. It's Five Spice, which I think a lot of people kind of shit on. There's another place in I think Williamsburg called Mama Phu, and they have a really great phu. But anyway, I just got on the phu train probably about six months ago. I was a ramen girl and then discovered phu. It was a lot lighter. Welcome home, sister. So, yep, I'm on the bus train now. Yeah, it is. I like it. It really cleanses the spirit. It's so light, but also filling and rich and fatty. It's all there. Yeah. I mean, I do my best to stay out of L.A. as much as I can. What in tarnation? It's a person who sounds like you have a lot in common with Jason as far as Asian chicks go. That's kind of crazy to say. Well, I just, I mean. you know you can't really get her i like the west but it's really hard to tour over there because i'm used to obviously on this side of mississippi you have humidity you can breathe and when you go over there not being able to breathe as a singer is a little difficult Yeah. Despite what you've read in my press, I'm not riding around on like the biggest tour bus in the world. I'm mostly driving. Okay. And for some reason out West, every city is like a good [redacted address] from each other. So you're basically, you're just going over there and getting sick and the people are great, but you're just getting sick the whole time. So I'd do my best to just.

stay on my side of the mississippi that's the way we like it a country divided yet again yeah i think you need to open your third eye a little bit you've been to new mexico i bet you love that i mean i do i really love the desert i'm a real fair person i'm not going to turn on my camera right now because i look pittsburgh crazy right now haven't haven't showered today for y'all i didn't fix up i'm in a cutoff t-shirt and some boxers laying up and like i said the finest Airbnb of all of Pittsburgh. But anyway, yeah, it's New Mexico was cool. That's that's where I started my first run with John Moreland back a month ago in Santa Fe. So what a cool town. What a magical town. It really is. One of my favorites. One of my favorites. So what is your, so touring for you is about finding the best local cuisine. Is there some, are you hitting the watering holes? Are you trying to find the gym? Like what else, what else are we doing? Literally at this stage of my career, I live for the hour I'm on stage and just try to survive the rest. You know, right now I play with the four piece. So it's just me and three other boys. I'm not really an extrovert. So I've got about a one and a half week threshold before I want to kill everybody that's around me. And they're just in there breathing and being good people. And I just I can't handle it. And no tour is hardly a week and a half. You know, you're out there for three to six weeks sometimes. Mostly, none of us are really partiers too much. I don't know how bands do it. I'm not the type to get a second wind around 10 o'clock. I'm definitely like two hours past my bedtime at that point. So I struggle as a musician with the touring. Right now, the name of the game is apparently to keep doing this and killing yourself. If you're not killing yourself, you're not doing it right. That's right. Maybe one day. Welcome to America, sweetheart. Don't act brand new. That's how we act on this podcast as well. That's why I was going to ask you about licensing Work Until I Die as our theme song, because it sounds like that's something you're kind of on right now. You're actually living the lyrics. For sure, yeah. That's kind of how it feels.

Obviously, I'm really lucky to get to do what I do. I get to see a lot of amazing places from the window of a van at this point and meet a lot of cool folks. You've created enough beautiful music to be able to sell tickets in places like Pittsburgh, which for some people could sound like a burden, but a lot of people can't. Can't do that in those more tertiary markets, and I think that's a real sign of success. For sure. If we went to Pittsburgh, they'd be like, what the fuck is a podcast? You know what I mean? Yeah, we'd get right out of town. When we tour, it's like Brooklyn, Gowanus, Manhattan. Yeah, Gowanus. I could see that they would love podcasts there. Yeah. That's the, that's the Gowanus is a little, little opera of podcasting. Yeah. Do you still, do you still live in Kentucky? Yeah, I do. I live about two hours West of Nashville, which is how I like it. You know, obviously being the road dog, I am driving two hours to. You know, do a little business in the city is not bad, but I can't afford to live there. Who can hardly anymore? It's pricing everybody out. Well, I mean, honestly, SGI can, but I choose not to because it's not cool. You know what I mean? That's why. Let's just keep it 100. It's not even about money. It's about the fact that everybody's young and Christian and has two kids. Well, not anymore because everybody from California and New York is moving there and they can't drive. They're making it unsafe for everybody. So us city slickers are coming to town. We're bringing Satan with us, and we're not stopping at the red lights. Yeah. We're complaining there's not enough Tesla charging stations. We don't know how to handle F-350 diesel. Go to Nashville. You buy a Subaru way too big for you. You've got all the blind spots, and you're just basically making the roads hazardous for everybody else. And the infrastructure. I think there could be a song here, SG. I mean, I'm trying. I am going to come out with that country album, Subarus and Sunsets. I think the Subaru is an interesting automobile that we talk about a lot because we've been fooled into society. Society has been fooled into thinking that the Subaru is not only a nice car, but that it signifies like how crunchy and.

left you are i think they're pieces of shit i think they're total pieces of shit and they're expensive to fix my drummer made the mistake he has a subaru forester and i bet he's put just as much money into it at this point as he did when he initially bought it you know i'm more of a fan get you a good old model toyota my family we were all gm motors people forever it took a long time before we ventured out but uh you know unfortunately the american-made stuff just right now just kind of sucks it was probably a a bitter pill for peepaw to swallow when they had to buy japanese that day huh yeah well My dad, he's a farmer and he went to auto diesel school. So he worked on General Motors stuff and believed they were kind of the best. But he still drives a Chevy at this point. But no, my little brother at one point had a Volkswagen Jetta. Oh, hell no. Yeah, we fell for the whole clean diesel stuff. So you guys are both gay? I don't think so. I think I'm the black sheep in that department. Anyway, cars, they've always been a big deal in my family for sure. I'll never own a Subaru. No, me neither. I'm not falling for that. The same thing has happened with the... the cursed Jeep Wrangler. Oh, God. Like, people think that's a nice car, and it costs a fortune, but it feels like you're rolling down the street outside. You know what I mean? It's too, it's unsafe. Yeah, for sure. And I had a teacher once, Miss Seton, my high school English teacher, and she warned us all. She said, listen, kids, don't get in a convertible. Don't get a Jeep. She apparently pulled out of my high school parking lot and flipped her Jeep and scalped herself.

Yeah, that's a true story. Listen, I trust Miss Seaton. I will not get in one of those vehicles. I will not do it. And if you do, at least wear your seatbelt. Yeah, you got to wear a seatbelt. Damn, that's fucked up. Yeah, I know. And so I don't get in Jeeps. None of that stuff. Nope. Not for me. So you mentioned that your father was a farm, like a sharecropper farmer? He still is, yeah. Him and my older brother still farm. How do you guys feel about the kind of the renaissance of corn becoming a trending topic? Have you seen this? I have, and I was actually on, when I was on tour, I did a... the what the fuck podcast and everyone calls it WTF and you're just like, I'm doing the what the fuck podcast. I like it. Yeah. I don't, I don't do the, I have to look up what things mean if people write me in LOLs and stuff. So it's just like a hurdle I have to jump through. So I like to make sure folks like me understand what I'm saying. But, um, yeah. We brought up the fact my dad, when I was a kid, would plant sweet corn for his kids to pick for extra money. And I hate corn. I hate it so bad. Are you telling me Marc Maron got to Korn before I did? I'm sorry to say it, but he was on the money with it. That's fucked up. I think I'm going to be sick to my stomach. I thought all he was going to ask you about is SNL and guitars, but he actually got to Korn. I wanted to save that for y'all, but like I said, I was put on the spot. Of course, of course. Thank you for your honesty in explaining that. That does make me feel better. I told him I didn't like it, and he was like, oh, no, so you're saying you have corn trauma. And I was like, yeah, I guess you could say that. What's the deal with corn, man? Yeah. But, yeah, I've been sent that little kid saying how much he likes corn.

And that's traumatizing for you as a corn hater? A little bit. I'm like, well, bring him down to the farm. We'll let him pick an acre himself, and we'll get that out of him really quick. He won't like it. Get that corn out of him. Yeah. Come to SG's Corn Boot Camp down here in Kentucky. We'll knock the love out of you. Are there any other kind of farm tasks that you don't? I mean, like shucking corn, that's a bit of a pain in the ass. Is that better or worse than maybe picking beans? All right. First, thank God we didn't have to pick beans. I did chop beans sometimes, which would mean maybe one of my dad's farmhands didn't clean out the planter, and there would be some corn left, and then you'd have a corn stalk in the middle of your bean field. My dad wasn't having that. He would not have our fields look like that. You know, it was a sign of laziness. So he'd send his kids out with a hoe and we'd get it down. But no, there was another activity that I hated. I'm very allergic to poison ivy. OK. And this is only something that a river kid would know. I was raised on the Mississippi. And when the river would rise and fall, we would have an activity called picking up chunks. OK. picking up chunks chunks yep okay and so what that was this is this is something that only a river girl would know only a river kid would know and uh so you'd get out there with your brothers and you'd walk in a straight line so you wouldn't miss anything and one of you might be driving the truck with a trailer behind it and you'd pick up driftwood all day in some fields they'd have a lot of it it'd take you a few days to get it all but you couldn't have that out there and mess up your dad's equipment and so i would we would glove up and and wear long sleeves out in the heat and and hats and stuff but with the nature of poison ivy you know it if you forgot

and you wiped your face or just so I would be out of school a lot actually with just an insane case of poison ivy so that was terrible too but you know now that I'm a little bit I haven't you know I don't spend a lot of time at home anymore I'm too busy luckily I think I have graduated from the task of picking up chunks but And now I can look back with nostalgia and think it wasn't that bad. But it was also kind of just a terrible chore, for sure. Yeah, I mean, even before you explained what it was, just calling it picking up chunks doesn't really sell it as something that's going to be awesome and fun. I'm sorry. If I was your pa, I would have not made you pick up chunks with your severe allergy. I would have had you picking beans on the porch or something. rustling up a glass of sweet tea or something. I don't know. Yeah. Oh, don't worry. He found time to have you do all that. I'm concerned. I'm concerned that you might, your dad, your, your Paul might've been breaking some child labor laws down there in Kentucky. And I know they're a little looser. With that kind of stuff. If you're in Kentucky and you Google the word child labor laws, it just says nothing was found. Sorry, please search again. We don't do that. We don't know what you're talking about. Who is she? How did you have time to hang out with your friends and like play guitar if you were busy working? Well, I mean, I didn't start playing guitar until I was, you know, a little bit later in my teenage years. But, you know, you would always try to talk your friends into doing the work with you. We would we would try to hire out our friends to. You know, we'd be like, we'll pay you $10 an hour, which was a lot of money for a kid. I mean, I worked jobs in college, not for $10 an hour because I live in Kentucky. Can't get $10 an hour into the Jimmy Jones. Yeah, you'd get them real excited, you know, and they'd come down and spend about an hour in the field with a kid and call their mom. Yeah. And that was it. So, yeah, you were just friends with your cousins. But, yeah, as a farm kid, you got away with a lot of stuff.

We were all driving vehicles at 10 years old through town. Through town? This wasn't just on the property. You were taking the GMC into the city to grab a Coca-Cola. I need some cigarettes. Yep. Pick up my dad a pack of cigarettes. As I was about to say, I bought cigarettes as a child for my dad and just say, you know, I'm picking them up for daddy and just. drive off with a carton of Marlboro Red. No, it's funny. I mean, that's how it used to be everywhere in the world, but it's still kind of like that down in certain parts of the country, as long as everyone knows each other, you know? I was going to say, they must have known, they knew you and knew your dad, and they knew you were going to go blast the pack behind the barn. You were going to actually hand them off. For sure. And we also, it wasn't until I went to college that I learned how to pump my own gas. Because our town had a pump house that we had like a charge account on where they pumped it for you, kind of like in New Jersey or something. Yeah, yeah. Wait, I'm sorry to interrupt. Do you call a gas station a pump house? It just depends. Okay. You know, it depends. On what exactly? Just how you're feeling? Yeah, I think so. Because it sounds like one of the West Hollywood gyms that Chris attends. Yeah, it does. It does have a homoerotic overtone, I would say. Yeah, well, they don't realize that down there, you know. Sure, that's why it's even better. That's why it's even better. It's kind of like Tyler Childers has been covering one of my songs, and I've read a lot of his fans. comments on him. All these men are so concerned about Tyler shaving his beard. I'm like, I know y'all aren't getting the humor in this. I've never seen a group of men concerned with the country boy's outfit or sobriety or shaving his face as I have Tyler Childers fans. It's really a funny thing to say. Yeah, it is. It's really funny.

But they don't get it, and that's what's the most funny about it. Now, is that cover kind of helping out your Spotify numbers, like greasing your pockets a little bit? I mean, I wouldn't say it's greasing my pockets right now, but it's a numbers game out there, and people are discovering, you know, my song because of it. So I'm thankful for it. I'll tell Tyler. Cover whatever song he wants of mine. Just get those beard lovers in on my music, and we'll be fine. Those beard-loving dollars spin just the same, don't they? Yeah, well, Tyler, I'll grow a beard. He'll just keep covering my songs, you know. do you know do you know tyler or is this just pure serendipitous music love well i do at this point and you know we we're both from kentucky but different sides of the state and i actually met okay his wife sonora may who's another great artist she came out to one of my shows and we exchanged some uh we're both kind of i make uh Herb vinegar. I used to grow a garden every year, and they grow a big garden. So we did an exchange of some goods like Kentucky people would at a show, you know. So I knew her before. I knew Tyler. We're both big fans of the band Alabama, Tyler and I. And I made a, you know, we're all supposed to be Instagram influencers these days. And so I have to post a lot of shit on that. I was coming back from Atlanta with my bandmate, Rich Ruth. And anyway, I was explaining to him, you know, the glory of Alabama's song, Roll On 18 Wheeler. Are y'all familiar? I'm not familiar. I'm familiar with Alabama, the band. I don't know the song. You haven't lived until you experienced the song. It's all about blue collar people and daddy goes out on the truck and he left his kids and wife at home and he teaches them a song that they sing when they miss daddy. And it's just, it's a real heartfelt like glory days of country music song, you know? So I was explaining this verse by verse to Mikey and I guess,

sonora showed it to tyler and then we got to talking on online about his interpretation of the song because at one point in the song daddy goes missing from the big rig and the police can't find him in a snowstorm but tyler pointed out he was like i think it's funny that daddy just you know abandoned that truck i think daddy was carrying drugs Oh, daddy had to do what he had to do. Daddy had to do, he had to get home with the goods. So the cops wouldn't find it. So the truck, the truck was just a, it caught a stray because daddy had an eight ball and he had to get home. Possible. And so we were kind of going back and forth on that. He, at the end of that funny exchange, he said that, that him and his boys were playing, uh, my song's face in time. And, um, I said, well, you don't have to ask my permission for that. I wanted Dolly Parton to cover that song, and I guess they're both mountain people, her and Tyler, so he'll do for now, but that's what I told him. We'll use him as a holding position until Dolly answers the email back. Please send it to her, but anyway, Tyler's fine. He does a good job with it. He's a good person. So that's about all you could ask for. You could have a real shithead covering your song and can't do anything about it. So I'm glad. That's true. No, no, I know. I'll make sure to send a copy of your album on vinyl to Kid Rock and we can just see what we can do. That's what I'm hoping, you know, I am. Yeah. If being a insane, you know, I guess progressive out there in my world doesn't pan out, I'm just going to start writing like right wing. country music and that's right get on fox news and try to try to cash out yeah once you get on fox news then your family will finally give you the recognition that you deserve yeah they'll quit calling me and saying you know what

I've been watching The Voice, and I really think... You should get on that show, SG. You should get on there. I really think that can be what does it for you. You need to get on that American Idol. So they don't fully realize that you're doing pretty well, or do they just refuse to accept it because it's not kind of in a... place that they see you know funny thing about like tyler childers or jason is they're giant artists yeah and but they're not on a mainstream top 40 radio situation so there are people plenty of people in the world that do not know who they are and me you know back to the genre thing you know the The worst genre to try to explain what you do is if you're in the Americana world. Yes. It's like you're thankful for it. You know, they've created a playlist to where people can track you. But the genre itself is so expansive and makes, at this point, no sense, in my opinion. It's really hard to explain to people what that means when they say, I'm an Americana artist, because it's not front and center of people's daily experience. in certain places. Yeah, I guess when the Grammy nominations come out every year, nobody's chomping at the bit to see who won Best Americana. They don't even show Americana artists on TV, so... Oh, yeah, yeah, I'm sure. I mean, how would you describe Americana, the genre of Americana music to our listeners who might not be familiar with that? I would say, imagine a giant umbrella of pretty much everything that might have a roots element that they, they won't put on top 40 radio. I would, I mean, I think, you know, my morning jacket is a rock band. All right. But if they put the pedal still on one of their songs, somebody might put them on the Americana playlist. It's kind of like, it's kind of like I've seen, you know, big thief being on an Americana, like award system or,

or a lot of people who really they're in just a indie alternative world. And now all of a sudden they're Americana. But, you know, if I was going to say like, okay, there is a queen of Americana, you know, I would say Lucinda Williams fits that bill. You know, she's blue, she's rock, she's not country enough to be country or to country to be country or something. Like that's an artist that when I think of like, who's americana after it's someone who has always been on the fringes and and has this little world so you know that's how i would explain okay that makes sense there are people right now who are really popular in americana like you know like the brandy carliles or whatever like she oh yeah she but i mean this last record in my opinion no offense brandy that's a pop record Yeah, for sure. It's kind of like Casey Musgraves. I think that was last year at the Grammys or whenever it was put into a pop record and not country. That makes sense to me. Well, that's because that was the worst sophomore album in the history of recorded music. So that's the unfortunate part about that. Jason and I are huge Musgraves. We went to the show together. Three men went to the Kacey Musgraves tour. She sounded incredible. The second album was truly one of the most disappointing. It came and went in a way that I couldn't believe the speed. She redeemed herself on the Elvis soundtrack, though. Yeah, the Elvis soundtrack song is fucking amazing. I haven't heard. Like I said, I don't watch movies or nothing like that, and so I haven't seen that. I think that actor guy, he doesn't look a damn thing like Elvis. Austin Butler? I don't know. But he looks a little bit all right to me, though. He's an actor and he's hot. He's handsome, but I'm just saying he doesn't look like Elvis to me, and so I'm not watching him. Okay, so you're saying that they didn't find the right hot young actor to portray the bloated, sweaty, banana and peanut butter sandwich Elvis.

You just don't believe it. I want the boofy Elvis. I want live in Hawaii. I want you to have some Valium sweats going on. I want you to have a ham sandwich in your hand and a gun in the other. I'd have watched that movie, but this young, good-looking guy, I don't have anything I need from that. That don't impress me much. Yeah, don't impress me much. It's also three hours long, so that kind of kept me out. Really? There's a few factors. Yeah. I don't do drugs, and Jason does, and I think that's why he's able to sit through some of these movies. Yeah. That's why I watch YouTube. You know, 20 minutes, you're done. It's the modern way. That's about it. But you're not on TikTok, though. You're not on TikTok. You're not on Quibi. I am. What? Quibi? I have no idea what that is. It's a failed TV network. It's short for quick bites. It came and it went real quick. It wasn't around long enough for someone to shove that down my throat, apparently. TikTok has been shoved down my throat. I'm not a technical person. The pandemic was... in a way good and terrible for me i mean i had to drive to nashville most of the time to do live streams because my internet wasn't powerful enough and i could not be trusted to sign into something with ease and so i have i've learned how to navigate instagram and i basically i do what i do on instagram and then it's kind of a lot of times repurposed and put on tiktok but you know it's the way of the world and i have i have to start interacting with it more organically than i do right now but i haven't learned how to even upload something to it i do struggle with that kind of stuff so well luckily we have our team that can help us out yeah i need a master class in tiktok um or it's probably not going to happen but i also to be honest with you there are a few

videos of me doing this kind of stuff but i've never been one to enjoy sitting my phone up on a stand and playing the guitar in front of it i just i hate that so every once in a while i'll do it um and people react to that stuff better but yeah it's just just feels wrong it's what you have to do right now and you know there could be worse things to have to do in life. So I'm trying to keep a decent attitude about it. That's the spirit. That is the spirit. Shout out to your record label for forcing you to do things you don't want to do. That's kind of what these record contracts are about. You know, that's kind of the history of the music business. I'm glad to hear that's still continuing. Yeah. Well, they're, they're actually pretty supportive of me. I mean, in fact, it's been the opposite where I thought I would, you know, get a record deal and then they would tell me like who I'm supposed to. be and how i'm supposed to act and they just want me to do what i do and it's been kind of a bummer a little bit so when's my makeover gonna happen and the vocal coach exactly I know. This is more how it goes for me. Some artists, they require hair and makeup with every little thing they do. I barely even get asked if I want it because they know I'll say no. They're just like, well, she'll be fine. It's kind of a hands-off thing, even making this record, Teeth Marks. They didn't ask me to do that, and they didn't really... You know, they didn't come in and say, you know, this is what we want or we need you to elevate this part of your sound. No, they were just like, all right, well, sounds good. We're going to put this out and, you know, move on. So you're like, hey, guys, I finished the album. They're like, oh, oh, oh, I guess we should put it out. But I do appreciate having someone, you know, kind of shoot out their idea because that makes me immediately say.

no here's my idea kind of helps me focus in on on what i give you something to bounce off of yeah exactly okay you know the name of the game artists don't talk about this much but we're so dependent even though we're in a streaming world tiktok world i mean our our contracts are still based on units so they're still based on people being old school yeah and buying a record and i can't i mean I have obsessive compulsive disorder, so it's not unlike me to listen to a song 150 times. But I don't trust that the rest of the world operates that way. So, you know, there's just with the current system, you know, I don't know if I'll be on a record label forever because I think it's a very rare thing. Unless you are on a top 40 or in a genre that they immediately put you with that type of push and exposure, you're not selling 100,000 records anymore. No, you look at the charts, it's crazy. The number one album in the country can sell less than 100,000 copies. When we were growing up, it was a million. Literally a million. It's crazy. That's how bad it's gotten. Even your boy DJ Khaled, he squeaked in at number one. He might have been under 100. He might have been at 80K. Beyonce is doing Lucinda Williams in the 90s numbers first week out. Yeah. I didn't fact check this or anything, and this won't be the accurate number or whatever, but the same amount of records I'm pretty sure that are either put out in a week or a day or something where at one time, the amount of records that would be put out in a year like that's how much stuff we're waiting no that yeah that's how much stuff we're waiting through and how much stuff is is your competition as far as like you could be a giant artist like what i was saying about like jason isbo tyler or whatever a giant artist with fans that are so supportive and so

loyal to you that that allow you to have this career and the majority of the world doesn't like a lot of the world doesn't know who you are it's it's crazy so in one way it's like it is possible to have a sustainable career where you can make an honest living and help support other people make an honest living uh without having giant numbers of records sold but at the same time for me it's like whenever i'm at a show and people are like what would help you the most buying a t-shirt or record i'm like a record and i'm making less money off of that but it's like that's what gives me you know the numbers that make people book me at a show for a certain amount of money or get on down the road and maybe have my label have faith in me for another record you know so it's so important and people don't they think they're really being supportive of an artist and i don't want to get this twisted It is supporting me if you buy my poster at a show because I need gas money. I can't even afford to have my own hotel room. Like those things do matter. But as far as like my career, you know, the best way to support an artist, even if you don't have a record player, is just to buy the record and hang it on your wall. It's like the long money and the short money. Everyone says, oh, you make all your money on tour from selling merch and stuff like that. And that's, you know, that's the money, the cash in the pocket that night. So you can go fill up the tank at the pump station. Yeah. But, you know, the long money, the way it'll benefit you 10 years from now is selling those albums and selling those records and getting on the sound scan. And, you know, and another aspect that the general public doesn't understand about merch sales is you might go to a shitty venue that, you know, if you're an opener. they take 10 to 20% of your sales. Yeah, no, that shit. I've seen a lot about that lately. Yeah. Like a lot of backlash on that. Yeah. It's like, okay, I cleared $500 that night. If my $50, my 10% is really what's keeping your doors open, you got bigger problems. And also, I don't, you know, it's just offensive. And also, yeah, it's shitty. And not only that.

it's kind of like you're not giving me a percentage of your bar sales. Yeah, and my fans drink. Yeah, and I get that there are aspects of that that are probably a blind spot for me. But I just think if it's possible, if I ever get to the size where I have an opener and I'm clearing a lot in merch, I will throw a fit if they take the opening acts money. Because $50 for me, is literally you know maybe a couple hundred miles i have a larger like ford 350 van like that's not even a full tank of gas right now but it means 50 bucks means a lot to me right now I like that you used that gas story to kind of flex on your bigger van, which is nice. Oh, yeah. Well, look, it's expensive because the van is bigger. It's nicer. You know, some of these other vans that are out there. I mean, it is not a luxury addition. Okay. It's not the Lariat. I don't have leather captain's chairs. I have no navigation system. Luckily, we have the brand new Apple iPhone. It's able to navigate as well as record TikTok videos. I'm sure you do have a charger in the van. It's kind of like a one-stop. I do have a charger in port, so I'm thankful. I'm very thankful for my van, that's for sure. Well, look, if anybody's going to have a career like that, I feel like you're on your way. I don't know. I think there's just a lot of stuff nowadays that feels like a flash in the pan and it gets too big too quick and blah, blah, blah. But I think that just based on what you're doing and probably who the fans are, I can imagine them sticking around for a career versus like... moving on to the next thing super quickly. Yeah, and if they're at your merch table at the end of the show and they're asking you, all right, which item do I buy to get you the best profit margins, that's something you didn't really hear about up until a couple years ago, you know? Oh, yeah. I mean, I feel so indebted to the people who have supported me. I mean...

during the pandemic, or we're still in it, I guess. No, don't do that. Don't do that. We're not. Don't do that. Okay, okay. We're deniers here. Did you have to go on OnlyFans? I mean, I went to my manager and said, there's a lot of money being made right now on these feet pics on Instagram. I'm sure we could come up with some aliases. And your manager is like, I've been waiting for this call all year. Thank God. He was like, no, you don't have to do that yet. But anyway, no. Well, I'll tell you a story, though, how my fans have supported me. I was looking at we were out with Madison Cunningham on a six-week tour across the United States and on up into Canada. And like I said, I'm not at the part of it. at the stage of my career where honestly I should get a hotel room every night that cuts so far into my budget. And I, and I did do something that, I mean, nobody likes to ask for money, but I did go on my Instagram and say, if you want to support us being safe. out on tour which there was it's kind of like how could you be safe in general but me walking into some friend's house across the united states after being in 15 cities right before i got there just felt really unethical and so i had a lot of people i offered to draw them some refrigerator art and um and we we were put up across the united states by my fans and i'll never forget that beautiful you know And so, yeah, I do feel like I am lucky to be making the connections I am and being supported by such good people.

want to patronize versus feel like they have to you know like want to support you you did the work to become such a good person that people will want to do that versus like oh i probably should do that it's the right thing to do you know they want to do it and that's that's the beauty of it if i got hit by a car and someone that listens to this podcast saw me on the side of the street they wouldn't help me So it's just to kind of illustrate. Certainly not financially. Yeah, definitely not financially. Just to illustrate kind of the difference between us, you know what I mean? So I can learn a lot from you. I have learned a lot from you. Thank you for doing this podcast. Oh, thank you all. I appreciate it so much. No, of course. No, it was a pleasure. And the album Teeth Marks is in stores everywhere now. And you're on the road as we speak, correct? Yeah, I'm on the road, and I'm going to do an East Coast tour starting. In September, get your tickets. Look me up on sggoodman.net. Follow me on all the socials. I'm only really personally on Instagram if you want to interact with me personally, the rest of it. The DMs are open? Well, I do my best. I'm trying. You know, I can be so lazy with that, but I really do try to talk to people when they say nice things. But, yeah, come out and see me. But, yeah, thank you all again for having me on and having a good conversation. Get some laughs. Our pleasure. Hey, it's our pleasure. We love to laugh, SG. Enjoy beautiful scenic Pittsburgh, and we'll talk to you soon. I appreciate it. All right. Bye-bye.

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