312. - Indigo De Souza

All right, this episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by Stateside with Kai and Carter, a new podcast from The Guardian. And they are using this podcast to slow down the news and wrestle with the questions that we all have about what's happening in the world. And they do it three times a week, Jason. Does that sound familiar to you? We don't really talk about, you know, a lot of international global news items and climates and cultures and sports and things like that. We do talk about fashion and wellness, but for everything else, Kai and Carter are a great place. All right, so who couldn't use more news? Listen wherever you get your podcast. or watch on YouTube. All right. How Long Gone is here? Jason is here. Chris is here. Do we make sure we have our Zoom recording set? I have been checking that out this morning multiple times. I think it is corrected. I'll check once again, of course, before our guest joins us. Okay, wonderful, wonderful. Well, how are you? It's only been one day since we podcasted, but you're off to Miami. So we're squeezing one in here on Wednesday. You don't have to keep lifting the curtain to let these people know when we're recording. It's none of their fucking business. Well, it is none of their business, but it is a great way to have a... natural transition into talking about you going to Miami, which is really exciting. And if you want to step on that, feel free to step on that. No, I'm very excited. If you want to do a 50-50 grind all over my transition, be my guest. I'll be here to clean up the mess. So what are you doing out in Miami? Are you excited? Are you nervous? Are you scared? What's going on? I'll do that 50-50 switch, just FYI. Yeah, I'm excited. There's some business out there, something I've been working on, this watch. marketplace called bezel is is launching so we're having some events in um in in miami and and uh they're called experiences actually they're experiences but i haven't been in i've been to miami in in years it's it's just so far from la this flight is cursed you know i gotta lay over in atlanta it's not i mean it's like around the same

Amount of time is fine in New York. It's not that long. Yeah, but New York feels like a place you're going to make money. Miami feels like a place you're going to spend money. You know what I'm saying, Chief? Oh, okay. I thought you were just talking about miles traveled, hours, minutes in the sky. You're talking about... Well, that's what you were talking about. What you really meant to say is that when you go to New York, you're there to make money. One of the cheapest cities to live in. It's a great place to stack your cash, but you're saying Miami, you're not going to get any work done because you're going to be drinking some virgin pina coladas by the Soho House pool, checking out the talent. I get it. This is going to take me to ZZ's, the new Mario Carbone spot, the hottest spot where I can build with the Sultan. And then I'm going to hit Barry's South Beach. I mean, it's going to be an emotion picture, of course, but all this stuff sounds like it's going to cost me money, TJ, if you read between the lines. You know, I don't think you have to read between the lines to know that it costs money to have a good time in Miami. It's currently the most expensive city in America to live in. I know. You know, that is what it is. But also, you know. Miami is a place that is expensive everywhere. It's expensive right now, paying rent, restaurants, bar, whatever, all that stuff. But the two biggest expenses for a trip to Miami, drugs and alcohol, and you ain't doing neither of those. The only drug dealer that you're giving money to goes by the name of Barry. That's true. So I think all in all, it'll be fine. But I might link up with my boy LeBron and hit unknown and ball out. You know what I mean? I might need to get some sweaters or something. I don't know what unknown is. Are you talking about LeBron James? I'm talking about basketball player LeBron James. He's part owner of a retail establishment in Miami called Unknown. Okay. Is it a good spot? Cool stuff? Yeah, it's pretty cool. Who are some of their hero brands? Have I heard of any of them? We did do a Tom Brown capsule collection with them. Oh, okay. But they sell everything. It's a good store. I've never been, though. I mean, that's what I'm saying. I haven't been to Miami in so long.

jokey demeanor, it's hard to tell if you're being sarcastic or not. I wasn't sure. First of all, I'm never sarcastic about LeBron James, the greatest player of our time, Jason. You know that. I take basketball very seriously. I'm looking forward to it. Unfortunately, It's going to be a nine-hour travel day, and there's not going to be a lot of healthy options when I land. But otherwise, I'm looking forward to it. But you do have a layover. I just want to double-check, confirm. Chris Black has a layover. No, there was no direct flight on Delta from LAX to FLL. I think there might have been one to Miami, but it was some crazy, it was a red-eye type shit. It was out of your price range, out of your budget? Yeah, that's tough, man. Because I've flown direct. Every time I go to Miami, I always fly direct. Maybe that's because I was taking a different airline. Who knows? Yeah. If you take JetBlue, one of your preferred domestic partners, that might be possible. And look, I love... It's not like JetBlue is fucking not... It gets much worse than JetBlue. No, JetBlue is... Well, no, because JetBlue is a fake airline masquerading as a real one. And that's the issue I have with them. How do you have a fake airline is what I want to know. You don't really fly internationally. Dominican Republic ain't international. Oh, so to make an airline a legitimate, real one in your eyes, you need some transcontinental flight? Yes, that... You don't like any domestic? No, no, no. I mean... Of course, domestic is great. Of course, you fly domestic mostly, but you don't want it. You don't want to be involved unless it's established enough. Well, I just think if you're going to earn all these miles so you can, what, fly to Tulsa? Like, who gives a shit? You know what I mean? It's only, like, the only ones that are really bringing home the bacon are the long hauls. And, I mean, maybe JetBlue offers that now, but, you know. Well, not everyone is living their life around miles, though, Chris. Well, that's their loss, because if you're... If you're taking JetBlue, if you're using your JetBlue Discover card to get points and then you eat your free, you know, root vegetable chips, that's not... Okay, well, riddle me this then, Chris. So...

Let's say I've flown to Miami, let's say, 10 times in my life. I've never had a layover before. Of course. I always fly direct either to Fort Lauderdale or Miami. Let's say that's a four-and-a-half-hour flight, but then you're doing a nine-hour travel day, so literally doubling the time. No, it's not actually. I'm being dramatic. You would rather take a layover. Yes. and stick with Delta versus... Yeah, of course. That's the whole point. That's how they get you. That's the point of a loyalty program. Well, that's the point for them. For you, you're just... Yeah. They're the puppet master, and they're saying dance, and you say, do you like how I'm dancing, Mr. Delta? Please, I want Delta Diamond. My upgrades have been confirmed. My luggage is free to check if I feel the need to do so. You know, I get treated with fucking respect. They come to my seat and say, Mr. Black, thank you for being a Diamond Medallion member. And Jason, that stuff adds up to me. I'm an experienced guy. You know what I mean? And the experience of some of these other airlines just ain't up to sniz off. How about this? Our airplane will fly to the city that you're going to be in. You can do that. Or we'll fly to a different one. You can go get a chicken Caesar wrap and then fill up your water bottle at the canteen station. Hour and a half, two hours later, hopping on a new different plane. And then flying to the city you want. But when we do that, I'm going to have some bitch come up and say hi to you and thanks for flying with us. Exactly. And I'm going to get 10,000 miles. I've never used miles to book a flight in my life. I just like to see them go up. Look, I'm not saying this is the right way to do things. Oh, no, no. That's mental illness, love. This is the Chris way, and it works for me, Chief. I know you want to fly from Burbank on Spirit, and you're going to save a little money and pay for water. By all means, Chief, do you. I want to fly out of Burbank Delta, not on Spirit, Chris. Come on. Even when I was broke. Even when I was rapping through the wire, when I was podcasting through the wire, I was like, spirit, nah, I'll walk. When you had a broken ankle, that was you podcasting through the wire on Tall Tales. I tried to make a band. Yeah, that was me. That's a good idea. No, look, I'm looking forward to it. I'm jealous. I mean, I'm a little sad that Miami turned into a crypto douche nozzle, most expensive, blah, blah, blah.

city that part sucks because like the real good parts of miami are so cool i just love going there and just acting like a local just walk around get a fucking smoothie take a nap on the beach yeah you know whatever you know smoke some cigs at mandolin do some coke at 11 get a lappy you know get some fucking yambos at 4 a.m i'm in the market for a new lappy right now i was on apple.com earlier today is that what you mean yeah uh you're talking about a lap Lapbook Pro? Yeah, what if they renamed it Lapbook? Flip it over. I eat my dinner off that bitch. Watching Wheel of Fortune. I use it as a TV tray when I'm devouring Jeopardy so I can talk about it. Got my glass of milk on the backside. Don't leave a milk ring on my Lapbook Pro. Jason left a whole milk ring on my Lapbook. Chris, before we introduce our guest, Indigo, who's coming up soon. Of course. I know that you are on a no dessert. Dessert embargo. It doesn't touch your lips. That's true. We're not going to talk about what happened last night, but you like to do a workaround where sometimes if you're feeling a little on the horny side for some kind of sweet treat, you will say, this isn't dessert. That's breakfast, right? Exactly. That's a card that you'll pull out of your sleeve every once in a while. Because I'm sort of in the same boat as you. I'll have a treat if I'm going out, but at home, I'm not really doing desserts, but we do. be eating a lot of cereal for dessert so why don't is that because cereal you is too like you're not you know you won't be able to withstand the powers of the the temptations of cereal because you love the puffins right i oh i used to eat puffins by the handful like it was going out of style but luckily i've moved on from that and the sugary cereal um until basically jason until we get sponsored by magic spoon it's not touching my lips i like that we're putting puffins in the sugary cereal category and I ain't doing no magic spoon. That shit tastes like Splenda. I put that on God. It does. It does taste like Splenda in tires. Yeah, I'll just have a fucking Honey Nut Cheerio. No, that's like a classic Cheerio. You can't really beat that. With a nice cold pour of soy milk. Oh, baby. I feel like I'm living in a house with five guys that are all wearing Victory Record shirts when I have a bite of that. And you know, the soy milk is coming in the box. It's shelf stable, and it doesn't need to be refrigerated. That's number one. And number two, all the homies who are...

eating the cereal on the couch with you or holding the spoon kind of overhand grip. They did not take kind of a cotillion manners course on how to hold the silverware. They are holding it kind of like a Cro-Magnon person. I hate the overhand grip. All right, but yeah, Indigo D'Souza is joining us today on the podcast live from, I believe, North Carolina. Her new album, Any Shape You Take. uh is out now and i believe it's on on um the legend the legendary saddle creek label uh nebraska she's going on tour and all that shit she's playing pitchfork fest on the one good day out of the three days not the lesbian day and not the dusty day so why don't we go ahead and give indigo a call and we will uh talk about all kinds of very cool stuff all right this episode of how long gone is brought to back quince Jason, the temps are warming up. It's getting hot out there. Summer always changes how I get dressed. I need pieces that feel lighter, more breathable, and they're just easy but still put together. I don't want to look like a slob. That's why I keep coming back to Quince. They focus on high-quality essentials that feel and look amazing. Breathable linen and soft organic cottons. Well-made basics but without the luxury markups. That rare balance where everything feels elevated. but still effortless. Yeah, Chris, linen season is here. I wore a linen blazer to dinner a few nights ago in the warm California sun. But, you know, you got that Italy trip coming up this summer and quality European linen pants and shirts. upgrade that look starting at just $34 you know if you get a nice linen suit a little t-shirt underneath it some chill shoes you're looking good but you're staying cool the inside of your special areas are nice and dry as you turn up with your besties so elevate that summer wardrobe go to quince.com slash how long for free shipping on your order and 365 day returns even on a nice holiday now available in canada

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They're not afraid to say what they want to say, brother. Yeah, Rupert ain't sniffing around in what journalists Kai Wright and Carter Sherman are up to over there at Stateside. But yeah, listen wherever you get your podcasts. You can watch it on YouTube. It's three times a week. And who couldn't use more news? Especially when it's not from here, let's say. Give it a listen. Give it a listen. So Indigo, yeah, we were just talking before we started recording about how you have such a great professional setup, beautiful microphone, beautiful kind of purple headphones. What kind of headphones are those? Audio Technica. Okay, we got some ATs stand up. And we were talking about how we've had all these, you know, platinum producers, musicians, all these people on here. Like we had Benny Blanco on the podcast. You've heard of him, right? Little guy really into dicks. I'm sorry, but no. Damn, that's actually, you're cool. He writes Justin Bieber songs, millionaire, crazy, super successful producer. And he recorded the episode walking around his backyard on speakerphone on his iPhone. Wow. Just like a mom at the supermarket type shit. Dang. You know, do better. That's what I said. I get it, though. It was a do better moment. It was a power move. You ever do power moves, Indigo? No. You don't seem like the kind of person. You seem like you're too nice and sweet to do a power move. I think that's true. And you and I are kind of the same, and Chris, a power move is all he knows. Whoa. I don't know if that's the case, but I think that Indigo, as your star rises, it's very possible that your power moves might also rise. Wow. You're going to turn into a crazy-ass bitch. Yeah. Yeah, I can actually feel that happening. Oh, really? You're starting to get a little swag? I just think I used to kind of let people walk all over me. And the more shit I have to do every day, the more of a diva I become. It's a classic tale. That doesn't apply necessarily to the music business. That's just life in general. But since we're all working on ourselves, you're not becoming a diva. And I hate to use the D word. You're just setting up healthy boundaries, aren't you?

Exactly. Yeah, that's actually what it looks like. Indigo, it's great talking to you. Have a good one. Album's out now. Catcher at P4 Fest. Yeah, I think that setting up healthy boundaries in the professional space is important for success. Oh, baby. Jason, I don't have that relationship. He kind of contacts me whenever he feels like it, even when I have do not disturb on. Even when you're like taking a dookie. Yeah, exactly. When I'm busy. Really busy, Jason? When he's taking one of his dookies, he does not like to be disturbed. He does like this. This better be good. Yeah, better be good. Because if somebody calls my phone, it should be money on the other end. I don't know if you feel the same way. It should be a bag or a death in the family. There's only two reasons to call me. Because you're considerably younger than us, do you FaceTime raw? Like, do you hit people FaceTime? Like, do you just FaceTime the homies instead of calling or texting? No, I, a lot of my friends are like that, but I just have never gotten comfortable with FaceTime. And I actually, I never used Zoom until the pandemic hit. And I feel like I'm still getting used to that, so. Yeah, Zoom sucks. It sucks. This is, look, we all are still getting used to it. I never used it before either. I mean, I never used it before either, but I think that the. You used to hate it. Yeah, I mean, I still hate it, but it serves its purpose in a way that I'm sure, because you have to do all your promo on Zoom, basically. Yes. Yeah, that's, nah, fuck that. So out of all the interviews and podcasts and shit that you've done over the last year, like, how much of them have been, like, really just fucking. stupid uh i would say about 95 jesus not bad you didn't do but there had to be something there had to be like at least a couple bucket list kind of like oh hell yeah i'm doing like npr like whatever it may be i got not you get nardwar some shit like that well actually none of them felt like bucket listers because i just have never really been a person who's

read any music news or kept up with music news in any way. To be honest, it was all just kind of a mystery to me. You really do live in Asheville, North Carolina. You really approve of that. You guys got Wi-Fi, but you don't even use it if you don't have to. You prefer not to use it. I like that. It makes sense. But also that way, if you don't have a good manager who's telling you what to do, then you'll be like, everyone that emails me is a big journalist, so I better talk to everyone. And then you talk to them, and then you're like, oh, this guy is a little rough. Yeah, it's true. They're interviewing me, but he keeps telling me about his life and like, let me tell you about my cat. And you're like, okay, bro, don't give a shit. I was actually listening to a podcast with Mark Zuckerberg yesterday, speaking of Zoom, and he was talking about how even though when we're looking at each other directly into each other's eyes on the screen, you can never actually look into somebody's eyes over Zoom. Like, you look just straight through them. Like, right now, Chris, I'm staring right into your fucking face. Right into your eyes. And it's just like you're a... an image. Does it normally feel weird for you when you look in people's eyes? Yeah, it is. Is that what you're saying? Yeah, that is what I'm saying. Jason's not as much of an intimidator. I kind of try to look people in the eye to make sure that they give me the money on time and I don't want to have to hurt them or anything, but Jason's a little nicer. He's a little more sheepish when it comes to eye contact. I feel like I look people in the eyes just to make sure that they know that I know that they're there. Well, I look at people in the eyes, but It's actually more if you're a friend or I like you and we're having a close, like we're sitting on a couch having a conversation together or across from each other at dinner, that's when I get weird about eye contact. But if you're a random person I don't know and I don't like you, like you stole my parking spot. I'm staring right through you, baby. I'm going right in there. Passive-aggressive TJ strikes again. What's up? So what's up in Asheville? Because Jason and I have actually been there together. Other than Mellow Mushroom and stores that sell Dreamcatcher, what else have you got going on over there? I mean, there's a lot going on under the surface.

Yeah, that was actually a great way to refer to downtown Asheville. That's cute. And I honestly just don't really go there. I think a lot of people who have lived here for a long time don't really spend a lot of time downtown. That's like the tourist area. Yeah, exactly. Got it. Yeah, but I honestly am barely ever here anymore because I'm just touring or flying somewhere to do something a lot. Exploring the woods and going on fun trips to the swamp with my friends. Going down to the swamp? The swamp. Yeah. So how much weed are you smoking? Because it sounds like a lot. I actually don't smoke weed. I used to smoke a lot of weed in high school. You shoot it? You shoot it up? Is that why? You figured out a way to get it faster? No, most of the time I'm stone cold sober. So you're stone-cold sober hitting the swamp, and what are you guys doing? What are the swamp activities? Are you riding gators? Walk me through the smell. Is the swamp just for looking, or do you get in the swamp sometimes? Yeah, I have never gotten in it, but my friends have gotten in it. I'm a little scared of the gators, even though they're kind of small and probably isn't. are more scared of me. Small, small gator is still a gator. Yeah. Yeah. I don't, I'm not, I'm not, I'm still afraid of the gator. It'll still fuck your afternoon up. Yeah. Okay. Okay. So sometimes your friends will be like, Ooh, I just gotta get in that swamp for a little bit. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. We have a special swamp place that we go to and it's, it's really important for me to spend time there when I'm home from tour because it's like so far away from society. Yeah. Okay. Is this a, is this like a local? common swamp that other towns go to, or is this a place that only you know? No, yeah, it's a place that only we know. That's where I was going. That's where I was going, Indigo. Yeah. But that's special, and otherwise I'm mostly just here in the town that I live in outside of Asheville, and I just have a lot of friends here, and we just play games and hang out and dance and make food. Yeah.

It's honestly a good time. Yeah, you're living a pretty idyllic lifestyle. Jason and I are wrapped up in this hustle and bustle of a big city, and it just chews me up and spits me out every damn day. Yeah, that's what I hear from people who live in big cities. I'm sorry. Don't big city shame me. I love you clowning us for living in big cities like these fucking losers. Have fun with your little metropolitan area. I gotta say, all the activities, you're like, we dance and we play games and we make food. This sounds like a fire that you should be sprinkling some marijuana on top of, is what I'm saying. All the stuff that you... You probably take a nap around four. I'm not very good at taking naps. I got something that'll help you out. It's called hitting the fucking six-footer. So you... So you're post-drugs, and you're going to the swamp, and you're just hanging out. I feel like the true joys of life have found you early. I don't know if I could have made it through my early 20s without a little assistance, if you know what I'm saying. A little nose swamp. I don't know. I guess from a young age, I just realized that I just don't care about being a part of... society in the way that most people are and just wanted to have as much fun and like be as connected to people that I love as I can before I die I just like we only have one time to do this thing and I just don't want to waste any time doing stuff I don't want to do so yeah I just play music and do my job and then when I'm not doing that I just really Have fun. Damn. Great way to live. I'm sold. I'm fucking sold. It's nice to put that life philosophy into a pretty simple sentence, which is a great thing to do, and it'll help everyone listening. Do you remember the last time you did something that you didn't want to do? Don't say this podcast either. No, they made sure. They double-checked with me a few times to make sure I actually wanted to do this.

I listened to you guys before I came on and I was like, yeah, they seem nice. Yeah, we're nice. Okay, good. Yeah, I would say things I don't want to do have probably all had to do with my job. Just smaller interviews or things that... Feel like important for me to do, but I'm not necessarily in the mood to do it or I'm just tired or. Sure. Sometimes when we're on tour, I feel so, so exhausted and like I can't go on anymore, but I do go on. But I mean, those are all fine. I'm OK with those sacrifices because, yeah, it's all working towards something that I love to do and I support a lot of people. that I think are really talented through my business as well. So yeah, it feels important. I'm sorry. Is there, is there another, is there, are you referring to like touring as the business or is there like a separate business? She manages a Kinkas. Oh no. I mean like just me and touring. There's just so many, there's like an insane amount of people that just work doing things for me on a daily basis. And my bandmates are full-time musicians now. And like, Yeah, it's just a whole operation with many people involved, and I'm really happy that I get to support all of them. And then we get to do something that's kind of fun instead of something that's kind of life-sucking, you know? It'd be so cool if you were my boss. At the beginning of the show, I said, you're hired, but now I'm like, you hire me? Yeah, I'm willing to. I can't tune a guitar, but I can learn. I'm a pretty quick learner. Even though I'm older, I kind of take to things quick. He's good at Venmo and Square app. If you need to do any merch sales, Chris is your guy. He'll talk a woman with... White gloves into a ketchup popsicle like that. The guy's a bulldog. Whoa, did you just come up with that? No, he didn't. No, unfortunately that's a classic salesman lie. That's stolen. That's pretty good, huh? I've never heard that. That was wild. To sell a ketchup popsicle to a woman in white gloves. I remember hearing that as a kid and being like, damn, I get it. That's a great fucking salesman. Now, do you like touring or do you just get burnt out? Because we toured and I got burnt out.

I love touring, but I definitely get burnt out pretty much every time if it's over a month. When you're in Minneapolis on a Tuesday in January, the inspiration isn't hitting quite the same as Coachella. Yeah, the songs that I sing are just really emotional and take a lot of energy, and it feels like every single show I'm basically just screaming as loud as I can for an hour. Sometimes before I go on stage, I'm super anxious, and it carries through the whole performance. I just get more and more anxious and want to shut down, but I'm like, I have to keep performing. Enough of those will kind of start to beat me down, but I still always feel like I'm doing something important and still doing something fulfilling, but it can... feel really hard and my throat can like start giving out at times too just the real the real the real problems yeah do you but I mean do you have a do you find it hard to come down after you play like is it hard to go to sleep or are you able to come down uh yeah usually right after I play I'm pretty exhausted like I could probably fall asleep right then But I do have a hard time sleeping on tour, though. All those people that work for her are actually guys that just carry her out of the green room on a couch that she's falling asleep on. Oh, that would be awesome. She's done. I'm done. These guys carry me. This guy plays bass, but he's a better carrier kind of than bass player. Once you get on, like, the prince level, then you can have not handlers but carriers to literally just carry you into a little bed. You bring your own fainting couch with you to every show that's just kind of there for you to plop down on. do you finish do you guys know about the tour that i just went on uh i was supporting lucy lucy dacus and she was uh singing on a couch throughout the whole tour because she had two herniated discs so she was actually laying down on a couch throughout the whole tour it was wild i was very impressed that she was able to sing like that i think i heard i think i heard about that or maybe saw a picture of it but that is like

That is very intense. That seems very difficult to do. Yeah. You know, it is a business, and you can't just be like, eh. Yeah. We're moving the tour six months because I fucked myself up. Like, you can't do that. Yeah. So I guess that's the downside of this beautiful job that you have. Yeah, it's a lot of pressure. Those are big shows. Those are big shows, though, right? Yeah. And you're opening for My Morning Jacket as well on tour? Is that what's going on? Yeah, in the summertime. Jesus Christ, man. That's like... Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Yeah, that's very big. That's going to be a lot of bros. drinking IPAs. I don't know if you're ready. Yeah, I'm excited. It's a new demographic for me. I feel like I'm often playing to the same kind of people and I'm excited to branch out. Could you describe your demographic in maybe two sentences? What the average concert goer looks like? Just like young, hip, and depressed. Young, hip, and depressed. Okay, how young? Are we like 18 young or younger? teenagers, but also people in their 20s mostly. That's what I expect. Young, hip, and depressed. That's a good demographic. That's also not very descriptive because you described... Everyone. Right. Every young person is depressed, and half of them look hip. That's true. But she's throwing her net wide, which is important for the bottom line. It's good that you make depressed music. I mean, it's the only kind of music worth listening to. I mean, I don't know if you're, you know, I find if you've listened to sad music for as long as I have. I don't think of it that way. If you get in my car and I'm just listening to Elliot Smith, people are like, bro, are you good? And I'm like, this is just good music. This is just music. This is just what I listen to. I don't even really process at a certain point, oh yeah, this is depressing for some people. I guess when you're old, if I'm listening to Morrissey now, everyone's like, cool, this song rocks. That's it. Yeah, yeah. It does have a different context if you're younger. What did you listen to growing up? What's some of the saddest shit that you listened to? Yeah, like what's your saddest shit? I want your Mount Sadmore. I had an Elliott Smith record when I was really young. I don't know what age it was, but I got my first record player.

And I had an Elliott Smith record and a Mumford & Sons record and a Frank Sinatra record, and that was it. That's the most first three records I've ever heard of in my life. That's so sick. I really love that lineup. That's a great lineup. I wouldn't even know which order to listen to. There's just so much great stuff there. You've got old blue eyes. Yeah, yeah. It's tough. It's tough to choose. Well, I mean, I guess between Mumford and Elliott Smith, God took the wrong one. Am I right in to go? Oh, God, no comment. Look, you're opening for My Morning Jacket, not Mumford & Sons. Just because they sound the same, they're wildly different. One of them was from Tony Hawk Pro Skate. I think this My Morning Jacket tour is really going to open your eyes because those guys are on some Grateful Dead level shit. I know, yeah. I'm so curious to see what they're like just as people. But they're kind of good looking. Do they have a female fan base as well? Not just IPA bros? Probably. I think it's big enough where it's like everybody's there in a way. I saw them play a long time ago like the Roxy. I think when they're kind of younger and hotter and a little more... what's the other sex on fire band what is that one that's that's kings of leon right right they were like a little they weren't as hot as kings of leon but like nobody was to be fair nobody was nobody is but they were still young enough and they probably hadn't got fat and all that stuff yet so there was some there's some talent in the crowd checking them out he's a he's like a big i mean he's very famous jim j like the singer is like a pretty famous you know he's like out and about he's on other people's records and shit you know what i mean he's out and about he's out the swamps He's going around. Indigo, you better learn the catalog because they're going to call you out. You know what I mean? They're going to want you to do a song with them, so you need to kind of go ahead and study it. Yeah, I do. Yeah, she's really putting that one on the top of the list. We were talking about Asheville earlier, the Mellow Mushroom. Is that a pizza place that you enjoy going to or is it kind of just mids? The only memories I have of that restaurant are from before I lived here when I was really young and my mom would bring me to Asheville to, like, busk.

on the streets. Oh, shit. We would go to Mellow Mushroom, and I don't think I even understood how good it was, of course, or that it was a chain or anything. And now it's just, I have no idea. I haven't been there in years. Okay, okay. No, next time we come, next time we're in the same city that has a Mellow Mushroom, we're taking you out. It's on us. Okay, I'm down. You can get whatever you want from the kids' menu. You want a cider ranch? Yes. You want a cider ranch? Let's do three. But I like to picture you, You know, singing your Mumford and Son songs on the sidewalk. Somebody flips a nickel into a top hat upside down. Yeah. And then four hours later, you guys got enough for a slice of cheese. Yeah, that's basically it. She's like, that's basically, did your mom, wait, now were you the only one performing or were you and mom a duet? Oh, no, it was just me. My mom like really pushed me to perform in front of people when I was young because I was super shy and it was really hard for me to do that, but she wanted me to. get used to it um so she would kind of make me busk like i mean i guess i could have just run away if i wanted to but she would tell me that i needed to and then i remember i have memories of like crying and being like i don't want to busk it's embarrassing but i don't want a bus and like really just not wanting to but for some reason i always ended up doing it and then yeah of course there would always be like a little crowd gathering and it would always end up being a good thing that i did it but it was always really embarrassing. That's pretty high up there with unnerving things. Yeah, but how old were you when this was going on, though? I mean, I started doing that probably when I was 11. So you're doing covers and it's just you and the guitar? Yeah. Okay, well, I mean, it's good. Your mom was kind of smart, had the presence of mind to push you at that early age and get it out of your system so then when you're actually performing age and you become a woman... an adult then no problemo yeah because like when like imagine if you're a 16 and your mom is dragging you to go busk on the sidewalk that's true like it ain't happening it'd be like fuck you mom fuck you you know like when you're 11 you're just like i don't know i get pizza at the end like yeah yeah yeah this could be worse it's for the better you know it's like when you're five and they just push you in the deep end and you're like

All right, I'm alive. What was the set list looking like? Like, how do you decide what to play? I mostly played my own songs. Oh, you did? Yeah, I was writing a lot of songs when I was really young. I was, like, obsessive about it. I didn't even know how to write when I was 11. But I would also play some covers. But, yeah, I was just really into that kind of... I don't know what to call it, but that wave of folk music that happened that was of Monsters and Men and Edward Sharp and the Magnetic Zeros and Mumford and Sons. I would play Regina Spector songs, Jack Johnson songs. Damn, you're all over the place. Bright Eyes. Shorty guy range. Yeah. Luckily for you, we've lived through all of that and can safely say that I think that Edward Sharp is probably the worst one of that. But at the same time, though, that song was so fucking big. And that song, I bet he's going to eat off that song for the rest of his life. Yeah, it's going to buy him tons of houses. Exactly. There's a New York Times story about him recently that he's become kind of like a... Times will write about anything now, huh? He's like a guru now and writes this newsletter. Really? He has a sub stack, basically. That's weird. That is weird. I'll check it out. He's going to turn into crypto in six months if you haven't already. I could see him going there pretty quickly. Indigo, you've been talking about your mom. I feel like your mom is a freak. Yeah. Like, how much of a freak is your mom? Oh. She said, oh. I mean, I can give you some, like, examples of some of her freakiest moments. We all have a friend with a freaky mom or a freaky aunt. I love it. And it's a spectrum. It's a scale, you know? Yeah. Depending on, you know, number of cats you own and DIY projects and things like that. Are you collecting insects?

stuff like that. Okay, collecting insects. She collects bones that she finds. Also, one time I came home and there was a little brown lump on this tin. I was like, what is that lump? She was like, oh my god, you won't believe what that is. Guess what it is. I was like, I don't know. A brown lump on a tin. I was like, is it poop? She's like, yeah, it's a poop. Guess which animal it's from. And I couldn't guess, and she was like, it's a frog poop. Can you believe it? It's huge. And she was like, I watched it poop that out. It was so big, I had to keep it. What the fuck? So that's like one example. Okay, way to start off strong, Indigo, I gotta say. Where are we going from there? So are you in possession of this brown lump, and maybe you'll pass it on to your grandchildren? She definitely still has it in a jar somewhere. Because I remember it being like three years after I initially saw it. And I was like, that thing is still sitting there. Like, wow. This went further. This already went further than I thought it was going to go. You know what I mean? So I'm pretty happy to hear more. Oh, wow. Yeah, let's see what else. There was like this one year. She always has really wild Halloween costumes. But there was this one year that she was a hermaphrodite for Halloween. Made, like, a penis with, like, stockings and stuffing. And then she had, like, a pretty lady outfit on the outside. And she would flash her penis all night at people. That was probably, like, one of her top Halloween costumes. She has, like, a truck that has just, like, naked Barbie dolls all over it. And action figures on it. Pictures of, like, countries that have been bombed with flames, like, all on the sides. There was this one time when she decided to do this installation where she just had her friend tied up with a chain, and he was dressed as this kind of, like, imp-like thing. A dom and a sub. Yeah, and she dressed up, yeah, as, like, a dom, kind of, and they just went through town.

like, acting crazy with this chain around his neck. And that town is really small and conservative, and people just literally didn't know what the fuck was going on. And she just loved that. It just really fed something for her. But your mom is, like, a functioning member of society and, like, doing, like, she's... Yeah, she is. Yeah, definitely. She's... A really hard worker. Because you're describing the activities of somebody who might live in a van down by the swamp. And, like, you know, we check on her from time to time. Yeah. But, like, she's like a normal person who's, like, out and doing things and working and creating and providing to the community and things like that. Yeah, she's worked really hard her whole life. When I was growing up, she had multiple different restaurants and, like, a bakery and an art gallery slash studio. She had this store that was called a free store at one point where people just dropped off stuff they didn't want, and then she would organize it, and other people would come in and just take stuff that they wanted. Wow. Okay. Yeah, she's done a lot of stuff, and I really look up to her. She doesn't really care what people think, and she's always just made her art and worked really hard. I fuck with that. Yeah, I fuck with that. So what kind of restaurants are we talking about? I'm going to guess vegan or vegetarian. She is vegetarian, but she has always cooked meat my whole life. Even though she's vegetarian, she hasn't eaten meat since she was a teenager. She's still really good at... cooking all kinds of things. Interesting. Yeah, she had just like a kind of miscellaneous menu restaurant once, and then she had pizza. Miscellaneous menu is a good name for a restaurant. How would you describe it? It's miscellaneous. The fair is miscellaneous. Whatever she's in the mood for. She had a pizza restaurant. I remember that. The pizza restaurant was basically just run by her, like there was no one else in the kitchen, but it was really popular, and so it would be like totally filled with people, and she was the only person that was cooking. And at one point, when I was really young, I used to like help out waitressing there sometimes. I remember one time it was so busy, and it was literally just me and her in there, and it felt like insane for that to be the case.

But yeah, she's always been like a really hard worker, but also doesn't really trust other people to like be able to have the same work ethic as her. So she's constantly like carrying a lot of the weight on her own. Yeah, that sounds familiar to someone in this discussion. And it's not Jason. You know what I mean? I just, I feel your mom and I can relate on a lot of levels. No, I have a lot of that as well. It's not that I don't think that somebody... is not going to be able to do a job as well as me, but it's like to be done in the certain way that I like it to be done. Yeah. And then it's going to take more time to explain to some, you know, hire somebody and explain, I like to cook the pizza just like this and I serve it just like this. And you're like, I'll just do it myself. Yeah, exactly. And then you end up resenting everyone around you, and the stress and anxiety eats you up and takes decades off of your life. Did she play any music at all, or did you find this yourself, and she was just very encouraging? Mostly just Mumford. My dad is the musical bone. Oh, I think I read that. He's like a Brazilian guitar player? Yeah, I feel like I got it from him genes-wise, but also he has not been in my life at all. since i was three he like i've seen him probably like i can count on two hands how many times i've seen him since then so it's not like he's been around to teach me anything but i think just jeans wise he passed something along yeah you have you have the musical dna in you but otherwise adios yeah well fuck him yeah I have a Count It DNA, so it's a little less cool, but I mean... Whoa! I know, I know. That was alien to me. You know, Indigo, it's alien to me, too, and that's the problem. That's why, you know, that's the whole issue with it. But I think that the DNA thing is real, though, because, I mean, that seems like... Was he successful as a musician, or was this like a hobby? I mean, he's successful in some way, like he...

He can get gigs really easily. He's mostly stayed in this one area in Connecticut, and that's where he makes his entire living is just playing gigs in that area and playing at parties and bars and restaurants for people. Everyone just kind of, like, knows him and hires him constantly. He's the guy. And he just shreds. Does he sing, too, or is it just shredding? He sings, too, yeah. Okay, okay. But most of the time he lives in Brazil. Half of my family lives in Brazil and he has a wife in Brazil and he just comes back to the U.S. and like periodically and he'll just play a bunch of gigs and save that money and then he'll go back to. Brazil and that money is worth more in Brazil. So he goes back and forth. That's crazy. He's like, yeah, I just got to go over to Connecticut and do some Fleetwood Mac covers for three weeks and then I'm good. Yeah, that's literally what it is. It's hard for me to understand. Both of you guys are constantly on tour is what it sounds like. It's true. But just on different lanes. Yeah. Have you ever played in Brazil yourself? No, I actually haven't been to Brazil. I went when I was three one time, but I haven't been since. Has anyone on Instagram comments ever asked if you would want to come to Brazil? Oh, yeah. I think that would be a good – I mean, because I'm already picturing your life as kind of like a screenplay so far, and I'm seeing the scenes of your mom. Nice. Busking you out on the street as a youngster. There's the, you know, the dad leaves. You go, but then it all kind of ends in Brazil. You're playing, you know, a soccer stadium somewhere in Rio de Janeiro. There's three to four hundred thousand people there. And then, you know, your dad and that's how the family comes. Yeah, we play a song together on stage and everyone cries. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. He doesn't get artists. He doesn't get backstage. He doesn't get AAA. Yeah, we'll do VIP in the balcony. Like, he'll have a great seat for the family and his new family. They can have good seats. And then you get to be like, yeah, suck my dick. But in a good way, you know? In a nice, not Disney way, but like a WB way. Uh-huh. I actually, yeah, I wrote this song actually about.

my dad like not being around and it's really like heavy and uh there's a there are like these parts in the song where i just like scream the most blood-curdling scream that i can um and uh like no what no lyrics just no it's just like you're purely purely emotion but being let out yeah the rage that somebody can experience When their parent leaves you as a child. Yeah. Got it. Yeah, but that always feels really satisfying. I'm not sure if I'm going to play it. If he's ever in the audience, I can't decide. No, I think that's the climax of this film, so you better think twice. You don't have much of a choice. Tarantino's already signed on to direct, so just think about that when you're making these decisions. Yeah, I'm in Brazil. I think that would be a beautiful thing to return to the roots. Obviously, your career is going very well, but you are in the early stages of it, I'm assuming. You're still a young person. At a certain point, you are going to reach that Mumford level where you can buy many houses or whatever it is. Fingers crossed. At what point are you going to say, fuck it, and then just start living off the grid? I don't know. I don't know that I'll ever completely give it up. But just from experiencing the way that touring beats me down, I have realized that there definitely needs to be more space in between touring and that I need to one day I'll be able to be more intentional about the shows I play and the things I decide to do because I'll have more money and don't need to do as much as I'm doing right now. But I'll always do it, I think, in some respects, because I I love doing it, and it feels important the way that it affects listeners. I mean, I guess when I said living off the grid, I meant less. I didn't mean quitting music or performing. I mean literally. Quitting society and performing. Quitting society fully. I feel like you've got one foot in, one foot out. Right. I mean, as soon as possible. Once you get enough fuck you money. Yeah, a couple years from now, I hope. Unfortunately, you know, when David from CAA calls and the bag is too big, she has to leave her tiny home.

you know to make it out there but i mean that's i mean that's the situation she's in now or that you're in now is like hey do you want to open for blah blah it starts in a month and you're like fuck i mean yeah i do but like the timing is bad like basically what i'm saying is like you get to you don't get to make the decision of when things happen you just kind of say yes or no for now but then you know in a couple years then you can be like i'm going on tour from here to here Because I'm headlining. Yeah. I'll do it whenever I want to. I'm not at the whim of somebody else. Totally. If you don't want to have Wi-Fi in those kind of in-between periods, that's up to you. It's totally fine if you don't want to have Wi-Fi as long as there's a little bit of cell signal. Walk us through your digital detox routines. How connected are you? Oh, God. I don't have any routines like that. Oh, God. Do you use Instagram or do you only use it for work? I don't go on Instagram just to look at what other people are doing. I guess I've just lost interest in that over time. It just feels kind of boring to me, but I mostly use it to post about dates, and just whenever I feel called to say something on there, I will. And it's always been a really great tool for that. I've always used it really earnestly, and I just make sure to say honestly how I feel, and that has always been kind of a nice way to connect with people. But otherwise, yeah, I'm not a huge fan of social media in general. I get that vibe from you. I feel like I'm learning a lot of lessons today, Jason. Whoa. I think it was good for Chris to see how some other people have happy, healthy lifestyles without all the things that Chris needs to maintain his level of sanity. No, it's true. Because usually Indigo, I have to be honest with you, earnestness bothers me. But I'm finding yours really appealing and very, how do I put this? It's like, it just seems, I don't know, it's very charming.

Because I know it's real. You know what I mean? I can tell that you're just like, I don't know, bro. This is just what I'm doing. And you can get down or lay down, chief. I don't know. That's what we do over here. And I think that that's very rare in today's polite society. I think there's a lot of pleasing going on that we all do that usually makes our lives easier to an extent. But I think you've kind of gone the other way. And I'm sure you're wonderful to deal with on a business level because you know what the deal is. fully detached from reality, but you, you, you have a healthy understanding of like what actually matters and what doesn't. Yeah. Wow. Thank you. This feels like a very sweet compliment. Despite not doing drugs. Yeah. Yeah. Despite not doing drugs. Yeah. Because I think that I just think that it's, I mean, I think that I think about this a lot because my parents are really normal, like really, really normal that when you have the freak parents, you learn a lot of stuff early that like either works or it doesn't work. Like you go, od and you're a drug addict by the time you're 16 or you're or you or you can hear color yeah exactly yeah exactly exactly or you live this kind of evolved you know evolved yeah in an evolved way at a young age because you've been exposed to so much when you're like in your formative years my mom just kind of uh let me do whatever like let me make my own mistakes um and gave me some advice or suggestions but she always let me just kind of figure stuff out on my own and that felt like that kind of freedom taught me a lot and i i feel like i learned a lot um i went through a lot of crazy shit and a lot of heavy stuff um but came out on the other end like feeling like i really knew myself beautiful is there do you have siblings Yeah, I have two siblings. They're twin sisters, and one of them is actually pregnant with twins right now, which is wild. Whoa. That's how it goes. I'm actually a twin myself, but not identical. Oh. That's something that I wonder if I ever have kids, because if that's the case, then I'm all set. My sister has twins, too. There's a lot of twins in my life, and it seems like a hellscape, to be honest with you.

Oh, God. Truly. A lot of money. I mean, they're cute. Don't get me wrong, but a lot of money, a lot of time. So your sisters are older than you? Yeah, they're 11 years older than me. Oh, okay. Yeah. A lot of interesting dynamics going on here. There's a lot of interesting dynamics going on here. There's a lot of Virgo energy in the room suddenly. I don't know why. Yeah, they're also my half-sisters, so they have a different dad who also was actually even less in the picture than mine was. If you thought it was possible that he was actually less in the picture than mine was. I got to say, I mean, are your sisters single? Not the pregnant one, but, you know, they've got a lot coming. You know what I'm saying? No. The pregnant one actually is single. Let's go. Let's go. But the other one, no. But they're both beautiful and wonderful, yeah. Jason's into some freaky stuff, but I don't know if he's gotten fully into pregnant women yet. I think we still have a little bit of time. Actually, I've never had an experience sexually with a pregnant person, but... I was at the gym last week and I saw a pregnant woman working out and I don't know, something about the lighting or the, I don't know, whatever happened, but I was floored by the beauty of the pregnant woman's shape for some reason. I think that's just biological. I know. Well, obviously it's biological, but it's not something that I've, that was the first time I experienced it in my life and I'm like 40. So like. usually you know what you're into by the time you're a fully realized adult. And I was always, you know, I was like, pregnant person, you know, that's cool, but I'm not, you know, I don't have a boner because of that. And then last week, oh, I didn't have a boner, but you know. What normally gives you a boner? Great question. I would, I mean, standard stuff. I mean, because we were talking about a specific kink like that, I'm trying to think if there's anything that's... I don't know if I was trying to talk about that. Look, you asked the question. I was just saying my sister's having some babies. No, you asked me what kind of stuff gives you a boner, okay? Yeah. You got blood on your hands, too. That's a direct question.

But yeah, just standard stuff. But now we're adding pregnant chicks. If they're my type and pregnant, it's not off the table. Yeah, I think Jason has an open heart and open mind. And I want to make sure the listener knows that because sometimes he feels a little closed off. No, actually, we did an episode, just the last episode that we recorded yesterday, we were talking about... People who have a fetish for people who are injured with a cast, with crutches, things like that. Is that something that you have ever heard of or experienced? No, I've never heard of that. You see a guy with like a broken leg and you're like, want me some of that. No, I've never gotten a boner for that before. Okay, well, most people haven't, but it is a real thing that is out there. We wanted to check with you because the guest was also a musician. So maybe we thought it was like a... touring thing you know what i mean you guys are jumping around there's a lot of injuries that can happen on stage if you're really leaving it all yeah do you think that lucy is up on stage with a herniated disc and someone's watching her like oh yeah maybe walk me walk me through that hernia do you need me to rub a saw a solve a balm on your lower back let me let me take care of you shorty let me help you yeah but but the the herniated disc you don't have any apparatuses that can really get you going sexually you know There needs to be a... Help. Some type of... Yeah, like a crotch or a wheelchair. A swing. A sex swing. Yeah, yeah, exactly. No, no, no, no. A sex swing is for sex. I'm talking about, like, the swing. You know when, like, in the movies or a cartoon when somebody breaks every bone in their body and they're in the hospital? Oh, they're, like, hung up? Like, suspended from the ceiling? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Then that, yes. Whoa. Because... But not... You know, just in terms of medical boners, you know? Yeah, Jason's a... A sex ring is just a sex boner. Yeah, it's a regular. It's kind of down the middle, you know what I mean? What kind of... You know, the other thing we talk about a lot on this podcast... Well, there's two things we talk about a lot on this podcast. One is exercise. So I would love to know how much yoga you're doing.

And number two is... I thought you said yogurt. We like to... Yeah, she's a big Dannon chick. No, we wanted to find out. We wanted to find out if... I'm assuming that you and your mom make your own yogurts, right? Do we? Oh, no. Actually, I think my mom does, but I don't have time for that. Your mom definitely makes yogurt. My mom makes yogurt too. No shade. But we'd like to talk to musicians about... I know your career is still taking off, but what kind of... syncs have you done? Have you gotten a big check for putting one of your songs in a commercial or a movie or maybe a trailer or anything? Young Sheldon episode. I haven't done any giant syncs yet. I tried to get a sync for this commercial recently and they had a bunch of musicians all make the same song and then they did not choose mine. I really put a lot of work into it. It was really sad that I lost all that money. I'm very sad that I don't have that money. Now I can really relate to you because I hate when I don't get the money. How much money was this? You didn't get it. I don't know if I'm allowed to say. Isn't that confidential? I don't know. I guess not. I didn't say who it was. Yeah, you didn't say who it was. How much are we talking about? It was $100,000 I lost. Okay, all right. That's pretty real. I now relate with your struggle and plight. I was thinking, is this going to be a little 7,500? Manager takes 10? No, no, no. But it's okay. There will be more of those. But I'm kind of just getting started with things because I am this year, before the end of the year, I'll be signing a deal with. like a publishing company. Publisher, of course, yeah. And, yeah, I haven't been working with... anyone from publishing before this. Once she gets the publishing deal, Jason, she's definitely going off the grid. We've got to run that. That's it. That is the plan. I'm just saving up for a house that's far away from people. Also, I want to have enough money so that everyone I love can do the same thing. It sounds like to me that you're planning for a commune, basically. Yeah, something like that, but a commune where everyone just does their own thing. Sure, sure, sure. Sometimes we

see each other, but it's not like... We're sharing all our stuff. Yeah, so it's like neighbors that you like. Exactly. Yeah, I see. That's a novel concept, and I think that America needs more of that. But how much further out can you – But don't take my radishes or my pumpkins that I'm growing. Yeah, and my name is on the soy milk in the fridge, and I look. I look. I look at how much you drink. Don't even have a little splash for your cold brew. Don't try that with me. How much further out could you go, though? Where are you going to go? Do you have a plan? Do you have a part of the world? I don't think I want to be super far away from people, but at least 10 miles from any neighbors just so that there's peace and quiet, but so that I can still go to things and be involved in a community. So you can still go. Close enough to Whole Foods, get whatever food you need. But 10 miles from any neighbor, that's very secluded. Is that scary to you? That's scary to me. What I'm asking is, what kind of gun do you have? No, I don't believe in guns, but I do love to just be able to walk around naked during the summer. I would love to... Just not have to worry about people around. Not have to worry about the peepers, the town peeper. I can see my neighbor right now. This is making me rethink everything. How much time have you spent in New York City, Indigo? I actually used to love New York City before the pandemic, and I was about to move there before the pandemic as well. Classic story. And then I didn't move there because of the pandemic. I can't tell you how many people I've heard. tell that same story um but uh yeah i it used to have this like magical effect on me and i just felt like there was so much potential there and so many people i could connect with um but something happened over the pandemic and it really is just that i i made all these friends that live out in the country and this one friend in particular has like a 25 acre plot of land that um

It just has a river flowing through it, and it's really beautiful, and there's no neighbors for miles, and you can go hiking for hours and swimming without running into anyone. Butt-ass naked the entire time. Yes. Yeah, we're always all naked out there. Butt naked, nothing but some hokas on. It feels great, and it just changed my perception of city living, and I went back to New York City. After spending a lot of the pandemic just out in the woods and had a totally different feeling there, I just started to feel really anxious or like there were too many sounds or I was too claustrophobic. And so now I don't think I would ever want to live in a city full time. But I do have a dream of having an apartment once I have all that money someday. I would love to have a small apartment in New York City just so I can visit my friends who still live there. Because there are people that are important to me that live there. And I do like visiting sometimes. But, yeah, I wouldn't want to live there. I think that's a perfect plan. Have the big, you know, have the acreage out in the country, middle of nowhere. Got your titty creek out there, the whole thing. But I'm the same way. I love New York, but I could never live there full time. I need to, like, just kind of, ooh. But when you go and visit, you know, a couple times a year. and you go in and you leave as soon as it's overwhelming or whatever, it is still a very magical place. And I think as you get older, you'll go in and out of magic levels with New York. Yeah, I think that's true. Speak for yourself, losers. New York is the greatest city in the world. That's really what it's all about. Jason lives in the suburbs now, so he's basically in the woods. Cocaine is the greatest drug in the world, but see what happens when you do it every day, Chris. That's true. Where do you live, Jason? I live in Glendale. Oh, nice. You familiar with Glendale? Yeah, I've been there. It's just a chill place. I just hang out at the park, but it is a park that is surrounded by houses and lots of people. I'm not as off the grid as you are, but I do require solitude or else I start to go a little anxious. It's actually crazy. Where I live right now is like I live on Main Street in a town.

I guess I can't really say where because I don't want to say that. You shouldn't say. But, yeah, I live in this town where everyone knows everyone. Yeah, it just is, like, such a special feeling. Yeah, I live where you can just walk out on the street and see people that you know and you know everyone in all the stores. And then my friend who has that plot of land is, like, ten minutes from me. So I kind of get the best of both worlds, which is good. Fucking sick. But California is nice. Visit there sometimes for work. I'm going there next week. Are you playing a show? No. I'm actually doing a shoot for this campaign for this company. I don't know why. I just never feel like I know if I can say stuff. No, that's fine. I probably can't say. But, yeah, I'm doing a shoot for a company. Doing a shoot for a company. I love it. Chris, we've done this. We've done shoots. We've signed contracts. You don't want to announce something before. And Milk Cosmetics is like, what the fuck? Why'd you say that on how long gone? When Indigo's Converse campaign goes up, we'll know who broke the news. Is it in the footwear space, Indigo? Give us a hint. Oh, I can't say. I can't say. Is it a granola bar? It's a granola bar company? It's a yogurt brand. It'll be an unnamed yogurt brand. Okay. Well, I hope that you have fun. It's going to be... 80 degrees. Yeah, it'll be nice. Perfectly sunny for your Chobani suit. It's going to be great. It's going to be good for you. It's going to be good for you. And the album is out now. I listened to it this morning. It's very good. I liked it a lot. And you're going to be on tour for the rest of your life, so go to her Instagram page. She has seven different tours happening right now. It's true. Yeah, I haven't even announced all the tours we're going on this year. It feels like every week I'm like, here's a new tour. She's Louise. Okay, well, get it, girl. I mean, look, it's a good place to be, yeah. And good luck with everything. And like I said, next time we're all in the same city that has a mellow mushroom, we can't wait to treat you. Hell yeah, I'm looking forward to it. Tell your sister I said what's up. Okay, I will. Bye!