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All right, this episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by Stateside with Kai and Carter, a new podcast from The Guardian. And they are using this podcast to slow down the news and wrestle with the questions that we all have about what's happening in the world. And they do it three times a week, Jason. Does that sound familiar to you? We don't really talk about, you know, a lot of international global news items and climates and cultures and sports and things like that. We do talk about fashion and wellness, but for everything else, Kai and Carter are a great place. All right, so who couldn't use more news? Listen wherever you get your podcast. or watch on YouTube. How long gone? Super excited. Jason Winter has hit in Money Making Manhattan. The leaves are yellow and brown. They're all over the ground. I have to wear a jacket and a sweatshirt, and I cannot wait to get to L.A. tomorrow. Do you think I should bring shorts for the pool? How are we looking? I think it's going to dip down a little bit tomorrow into the 70s, unfortunately. So I can thug it out of the pool. You're saying for a real dipper, it's going to be fine. A real dipper like yourself, I'm not worried about it. Because, like, the last few days, it's been, you know, 80, mid-80s. Today, it's going to be a high of 81. Okay. So, yeah, I was just talking to our friend Ryland about this, about how, you know, he mentioned the last episode was, like, this is a great, like, Q4 episode of just, you know, just slowing the gears down, taking stock of the year, not a ton happening in the inbox. And I was saying like, you know, until January 1, expect a lot of weather chat on this podcast. Well, you know, I saw somebody say that we make weather chat sound so bad, but it actually affects every person in the world. What else can you say? What do you mean make it sound so bad? Like we just act like that's the lowest form of conversation.

And the reality is it touches everyone's lives. There's going to be 15 Manosphere articles that no one's going to care about, but the weather, that touches everyone. And when you think about it that way, it puts it into a nice perspective. Weather is more like a humanosphere. It's not just the fellas. It affects ladies, too. That's what you're saying? Are you part of the humanosphere? Do you identify as... Yeah, I'm a little different. I'm a member of the humanosphere. I don't really see John Dar. Is that how you say the word right? I've never said it out loud. Don't try it again. You're going to get it, but I don't want to do that. I don't want to do that on the mic. Yeah, and I was like, you know, I saw a picture of Ryland doing some pull-ups, and he was packing some guns that I didn't realize he had. And I wanted to, I don't have those, so it was nice to see them on someone. Okay, when you say guns, that's often referred to the bicep area. Yeah, the biceps were looking, I mean, for a guy that sits around and plays guitar all day. I was like, damn, bro, I don't know how much strumming you're doing. Damn, I hope his chick's listening to this right now. He's about to get lucky tonight. He was popping out of his tea. And I just was like, damn, sometimes your friends have it like that and you don't even know it. Well, when you look at yourself in the mirror while you're in the pull-up position. I'll try not to. I try not to, but yeah. So my pull-up bar, famously outside, and it's next to a window. So I'm able to sort of see the definition of my body through the glare that it creates, just depending on what time of day it is. And it'll make you in that particular position where if you have a wide grip. Grip. And, you know, depending on overhand or underhand, whatever. Your body will transform into a shape that it should not look like in the reflection. So you're saying that the wide grip pull position is flattering to the bicep? For the whole upper body. Because the traps will be popping, the lats, everything's out. Yeah, it makes the shoulder, is that the oblique? So are you saying that Ryland cheated with this photo, or are you saying that it's a bit of a mix of both, maybe? I think it's a mix of both. I don't think anyone is cheating when they are doing pull-ups. Well, you are if you have a rubber band around your leg, but otherwise, no. Yeah, he's not face-tuning. He's not doing it. There's no lines on the pull-up bar where it's moving to make his ass fatter and his biceps bulgier.

But, you know, we all know our angles. Every model knows the right position to be positioned in. And some of us, and let's pour one out for those of us who have no angles at all. Yeah, I mean, as I think about our impending GQ Man of the Year hosting duties, I was literally considering how I have no angle. Really? Well, I mean, I think it's funny when some people are like, get my left side. I'm like, I know my shit is, I know I got, you know, when people do those, you can get those tests done where it's like your eyelids droopy, this shit's off, this is uneven. I don't need a test to tell me that because I've been looking at myself for the last 43 years and I know that my shit ain't right every way you look at it. And that's just how it is. It's interesting because there's, you can make the argument that that is both, The gayest thing in the world to think and say and also the straightest thing because it's either like I Don't even know what an angle is. What are you talking about? I don't do that. Like that's just I take a photo it is what it is, whatever Versus like I've studied my face in photos so much that I've deduced through years of research that I don't have a good angle. I have nothing to wear kind of thing. Yeah, I think I land somewhere in the middle of like I have looked and I know that it's not great and I continue to look. But I can't make many changes because I'm not going to get. cosmetic procedures because men don't have to do that you are a man who can do both in this particular instance where it's equally possible and plausible for you to say well just take the photo i don't fucking care what what do you mean and also like no no no no no no no no not from above oh no no it's so unflattering no not from below that's unflattering it's 4 30 p.m you know where the sun is find the sun find the fucking sun Yeah, so we're getting ready for that, for our GQ Man of the Year. It's going to be exciting. Are you guys going to stay at the Chateau? Yeah, that's the best part of this deal, really, is that I'm going to try to make... Bourdain style, baby. Jake Lenderman give us an acoustic performance in the lobby. Do you think I'm going to get him to sit down at the piano Miley Cyrus style? If we get a camera rented, we can do it.

I just love the idea of when Miley Cyrus says the takeover of the piano, like big band style. Fine, I'll do it. I'll do it. Less YSL and a little more black t-shirt. Look, GQ, we're breaking all the rules. We're breaking all the fucking rules. You guys are going to stay at the Chateau, and that room is also going to be our sort of green room during the daytime. So we're not going to sleep there, of course, but I'm able to hang out in your space and just kind of... just get my post-facial glow up on and rub my uh well yeah i mean since they got since they got us there fucking 14 hours early i mean there's nothing else to do but hang out together and that's fine that's welcome to tv man it's a little different than your little podcast it's not tv it's youtube but yeah it's same thing same thing it's a new tv many say more powerful 10x yeah drewski says that i was explaining i was explaining drewski to someone and they were like i've never heard of who was it They were like, I've never heard of that person before. And I was like, what do you mean? Like, I don't know what you're talking about. And they weren't being funny. They weren't like a weird, they weren't 80 years old. It was just, it had not crossed their desk. Do I know this person? No, no, no, you don't. I didn't either. It was a first time, you know what I mean? It was like a first time, like small talk on set situation. I was like, damn, it's crazy that something that feels so big is not. touching everyone's algorithm. And that's, I guess, the power and beauty of the algorithm. The door swings both ways, man. They could be asking you, hey, you watched the game last night, and your gay ass is like, oh. Which game do you mean, sir? I like tennis. Only when the boys play. I mean, oh. Well, I only like when the boys play in any sport. Let's just be clear. I don't watch women's football anymore. I kind of had to give that up. Glad we got a clear take of that. Women's football, you said? Are you talking about football or American style? I was spending too much money with my bookie on women's football.

So I had to cut that one out or it was going to affect my bottom line. I'm surprised Mikey kept taking your money on that one. Wait, actually, hold on one minute. Sorry, Chris. He was just like leaf blowing right by this window. And I was like, oh, shit. That happened. There was a leaf blowing incident every single time we recorded when I was in Florida. Really? No joke. It was like they were scheduled at this. Well, maybe it was only once a week, not twice. But it was like once a week. it would be like as soon as I sat down and pushed record, these gator motherfuckers would show up with their gas-powered blowers just breaking the glass. It's weird because noise-canceling technology, it's interesting what it blocks out and what it doesn't because so many Zoom call podcasts I've listened to over the years, you don't really hear any suburban noise spelled with a Z, of course. No leaf blowers, no things like that. But whenever I'm listening to my Dime Square transgressive pods, you hear, The sirens, the New York City sounds, the horns and things like that. Zoom knows New York is a vibe. And they let that stuff sneak through. I would love a nice Subway ad campaign with those precise words. Zoom knows that New York is a whole ass vibe. It's a whole ass vibe. There's no question about that. Talking to our friend Daniel, physical therapy from our pod last week. He just sent me a message saying, I still drive a 2011 Prius, and I did not get a check. I mean, I'm going to guess that he is not the kind of guy who fills out paperwork. And I don't think you are either. Neither? Bro, he's more likely to fill out some shit than I am. I could see you catching a wild hair years ago. You know what I mean? I don't think you would do that today. But how are we spending the $350? Not to go backwards, but what are we spending? Did you buy a single bottle of Dom Pee? I had a beautiful meal at Mews in Santa Monica that was... Less free than I was hoping it to be. Oh, okay. I'm sorry. I think I was confused about that when you mentioned that. Okay, that makes a little more sense. I was hoping for a nice bottle of Dom, but I guess if it's already spent, it's already spent. There's nothing we can do about that. No, the martinis were flow, and these things add up. Yeah, I know. They're not in the business of giving away free alcohol to white guys. You know what I mean? What's the point? Well, I mean, no man should ever. I think that should be a rule. No man should receive free alcohol ever. No offense.

Unless it's FedCup before 11. Have you seen Twitter is introducing certified bangers, ranking the top posts based on their authentic engagement for each month, including verified impressions, likes, bookmarks, reposts, and replies. So it's kind of like podcast charts. You're about to be podcasting with a goddamn platinum artist then. We're about to go. I'm sorry, is the certified banger in the room with us right now? Because... I've deleted all the certified bangers. No, I don't. I don't. I don't unfortunately use Twitter like that anymore. I look at certified bangers, but I don't think that I think that you have to have either a job where you have to do that all the time as a either content creator or like a news person or you have to be an absolute loser. Those are the only two people that are allowed to go that crazy on Twitter. No, I mean. If I post a picture of my monkey, it gets a lot more likes than if I post a scathing review of the new PTA film or something. I did see that Terry post Benito breakup posted the thirst trap today. And I looked. This motherfucker had 178 responses. And I was like, bro. There's nothing I could post on Twitter that would get 178 positive responses. Nothing. When you say response. Hold on one second, guys. Let's finish the intro. Sorry. Okay. Well, we should talk to our guest now today, our old friend Henry Shlomo. He's a musician, DJ. I've known him for a long time. From L.A., he's got a record that just came out. recently repulse repulsor which is a great word and i don't know if it's a real one or not but it's real it's giving uh depeche mode album title yes yes which is high praise of course but yeah it's a cool record we can talk about music even i listened to it and i liked it oh wow okay that's huge for the for edm artists that's rare okay let's give them a call oh this is huge for me personally this episode of how i'm gone

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They're not afraid to say what they want to say, brother. Yeah, Rupert ain't sniffing around in what journalists Kai Wright and Carter Sherman are up to over there at Stateside. But yeah, listen wherever you get your podcasts. You can watch it on YouTube. It's three times a week. And who couldn't use more news? You know, especially when it's not, you know, from here, let's say. Give it a listen. Give it a listen. Do you guys remember Ja Ja Ja Tequila? Of course. No. Of course. I don't. It's Fuck Jerry. Isn't it Fuck Jerry's Tequila? It is, yeah. Oh, now I'd want it. Henry said I'm back. I was about to say, I'm sure Henry's seen some of those memes before. Man, yeah, I've seen some of those. Yeah, Jaja, it makes 818 look like the bottle of Azul for 300, you know what I mean? It's some bad shit. Dude, that 818. buying shit jason used to put that jason used to put that on our rider as a joke and then i'd always be like is it good and he'd be like no no no it's really not good i'm like then why do you keep doing this the worst one was the the travis scott the like mixed drink the cactus oh yeah he did the cactus hard seltzer he he tried those were gone and like a week you were running through the cacti so bad and they were just sitting for a while and then i remember like just the crates at cvs just one day gone somebody came and picked those up there were billboards all over la for that too i remember it being big they definitely did not make It didn't go in the green. There's no way. I think when you're someone on Cactus Jack's level, you take big swings at this point, and if one of those swings is a hard seltzer that doesn't work, and the next swing is Kanye West on stage doing 12 songs in Japan, that one seemed to work. You can't win them all. No matter how bad it is, I'm going to buy some $40 Yeezy pants. It sucks, but I'm going to do it. It sucks. Really, especially as a member of the Jewish faith, you're crossing the picket line. Yeah, I crossed. I'm a scab. You're a scab. We're going to put a big blow-up rat outside of your apartment. I was actually looking at some Yeezy desert boot shoes on the RealReal yesterday. Saw them in my size for the low, and I was like, damn, I might need to. Let me tell you.

They were good. They were good. They were good. I have one. Okay. They're good. I want to know which NBA player had his assistant clean out his closet so Jason could get the easy desert food for 40 on the RealReal. It was Russell, and he wore him with a little pair of little shorts. It was Russell and his little shorts. I just love the whole thing. The whole thing where he gets the rabbi, he apologizes. Oh, that rabbi video was... That rabbi has done this before with another celebrity. I remember that. Yeah, who was it? It was probably like Chris Pratt or something. He's the go-to celebrity rabbi. I'm sorry. And I kind of want to build with him. I just want to see kind of what's up. Chris Pratt was like, I'm sorry for having a Labrador. Yeah, I don't know. Sorry for having a Labrador. Is that a euphemism for something or just the literal act of owning a Labrador? No, I think because everyone thinks he's like... you know like a republican or something and so i don't think they think that i think he is i think he's like at church with the family and if you're going to church twice a week you're republican i mean he has a labrador yeah yeah yeah it's part of the package yeah i have a feeling the lab's not black let's just say that you know what i mean that's what i'm saying and there's maybe two of them and one's called lucky wait hold on i didn't know there were labs that weren't black excuse my ignorance as a as a non-dog he said i don't see color you could get a white color you could get a white lab yeah they got chocolate lab black lab yellow lab yellow bone white bone i don't you know i don't i don't I didn't know there was a yellow bone lab, but I did know black and chocolate. I have not seen the white varietal. I feel like the chocolate's a red bone at heart. Could be. I feel like I must be going to the wrong dog parks, bro. I don't see this shit. First of all, I don't see color. I feel like yellow lab is the most stocked dog. It's like what they come from the factory as before they make them. Yellow, yes. White is different than yellow. We know that. Chris, it's a spectrum. It's a spectrum. I'm sorry. I've never had a dog, and I hate them, so I'm not that super up on dog stuff. Interesting. I have three. What? What do you have three? Your house must stink, bro. How often is a clean lady coming? Yeah, it does. It sucks. Yeah, it's not good. Luckily, you just wear hoodies and shit, so you don't have to do a lot of dry cleaning. Who do you live with?

covered in like shit yeah uh my girlfriend okay yeah it's dog city over here let me ask you a question who brought the dogs into the relationship or did you get them together i had here's one right now right here he's he's dope he's dope okay all right a little mother all right little motherfucker you let that little motherfucker on the couch yeah okay he'll fit in your he'll fit in your little bottega too i see what you're trying to do there yeah he's getting a little bag bag boy what's that dog's name what's that small little guy He's Bodie. This is Bodie. That was obviously launched before the brand. Actually, no. I spelled it differently, and I didn't know that that was how you pronounce that brand. So you never said it out loud, so you named your dog after the brand, but you didn't. I never heard anyone say it out loud. I said it out loud. I was like, Bode. Yeah. What the fuck? I'm not going in there. Yeah, that's not really your swag, I don't think. That's not for me, yeah. All right, so you brought one dog, and your chick brought one dog, and then maybe you got one together? Exactly. Precise. What did you need the third for? COVID. Was it a COVID dog? Number three, a COVID dog? Not even. Not even. We just fucked up. Okay. I'll take the L on that one. Did you? Yeah. Did you take the L? Did you go to like the shelter and she started getting all cute with one and you had to be like, all right, throw it in the range? My sister just sent me. little rescue link and i was like that dog's really cute and the rest is history see i do i i'm able to think a dog is cute but when you got to press add to cart i can't do it like that's where the line that's where the line gets drawn no i i acquired same day i don't know why it just it happened and it's so how much of your how much of your day is spent what is the time split between making music and walking dogs because at this point it feels like it must be 50 50 so much dog Is this something you find great joy in? Yes, it's both. It's like when people talk about kids. Now that I have three dogs, I'm like, this is almost like a quarter of a kid. No, no, no. It's more than a quarter of a kid. I think three dogs. It is. I didn't want to make the jump, but I think it is more. Let me do that jumping for you. Okay, thank you. Jason loves to jump. Let me ask you a question.

Let me ask you a question. How do you – because this is what fascinates me most about dogs, and this is Jason. I've talked to this many times. How do you justify, as a human being with a successful career, picking up shit with your hand? Because that is something – I know you have a bag. I know there's all the tools, but it seems we're better than that as humans. It keeps me grounded. It keeps me level. Oh, so you're saying I'm too popping, picking up shit. Also, Chris Pratt shit, it keeps you grounded. Exactly. If Chris Pratt can do it for his – Theoretical Labrador that I don't know exists. See, that's funny. My faith keeps me grounded, but you guys need shit for that. I see what it is. I got both. I got it. I got it. Faith in shit. Okay, when you and Bae go out of town, what's up with the dog sitting? Do you bring him with? Do you give him to your sister? Can't bring three dogs. Can't bring three dogs anywhere. Can't even do it to the store. I don't know. This is a whole thing. no the budget has just like increased so like anytime i anytime i go play a show it's like i'm like oh well there's this other budget i have to yeah sure there's something i think about all the time dude you guys are it's just crazy to me i literally am fascinated by it because it just seems like a choice that no one makes consciously and then all of a sudden it's like this is my entire life yeah totally that is exactly what happened and it is an absolute pain and a chore so you're saying you're saying you're like all right so we got back line i had to buy all these i had to buy all this stuff we got the smoke machine we got the scrim i can't be sitting in the main cabin you know what i'm saying you little upgrade you're in you're in delta one to brussels and then you also got 800 put aside for the dog sitter while daddy's out earning money yeah we're barely and you've you're just you've you've just come to you're just like this is part of my life yep we're barely out the red here yeah okay sure Sure. No, I get it. I appreciate your honesty. It's brave. No, no. That's what it is. And you can't kill the dog. You'll go to jail. Can't eat it. Well, it's like you don't want to. You're stuck. You're just totally trapped. All right. So to be clear, you're continuing your bravery by saying you don't want to kill your own dogs. That's nice. Yes. I'm so brave. Do you have a stew? Is the stew in the house or are you leaving the house to go create? I have never. We have like a.

We did our old label thing. We had a group studio at one point, but that was... I bet a lot of work got done in there. Actually, it did. Weirdly, it did. Work isn't smoking weed. You're saying music actually got made in there? Yes, yes. Wow. Most functional weed people you'll ever meet. No, that's not true. I feel like the crew ballooned at one point. There had to be some fat you needed to trim there. Oh, sure. I mean, that place was... I mean, I lived there for a while. It was not good. It was over on Melrose, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was like a one, two-bedroom house, and you guys just converted to the office, studio, smoke spot kind of thing. It was beautiful and disgusting. For those of us who listen to music with guitars, who was the core of the We Did It collective? You? Sure. I don't know. Yeah. Well, it was kind of like it was – It was a group, so I don't know if there was a core, but I guess it was founded by me and my friend Nick, who Jason also knows. I know Nick as well. I know Nick as well. Oh, you know Nick? Okay. Yeah, I just wasn't – I wasn't sure if this was sort of – Recently married. If there was – Congratulations to him. If there was a lot of sort of – posers out there like did you give out leatherman you know letterman jackets uh to kind of signify what's funny is we made we did make some at a certain point um and we did make chains also So you hit the nail on the head with both of those. But did everybody get, like, did the weed carrier get one, or was it only the real squad squad? Everyone was a weed carrier. Okay, so very democratic across the board. Everyone is a core member. Everyone is also a weed carrier. We did a Fader interview one time, and we decided to bring the drug dealer along as... To add color. Yeah, we all got photographed at Master Burger. We were like, you need to take us to Master Burger. I don't know what Master Burger is. I don't either. That's a shame. I think it's still there. It's just one of the OG spots. They can put a little pastrami on a burger if you want, you know, like old LA.

I'm looking at it. Okay. Okay. So you guys went to Master Burger with Jason Nesito or whoever was shooting you for the fader and you brought along your drug dealer. And now I don't want to, obviously I don't want to blow up anybody's spot, but I imagine he was moving a little more than weed if he's getting in the photos. Well, we just, he was so nice. Right. Okay. So is this, is Master Burger, that feels like. USC territory? Yeah, it's a little like mid... What are you guys doing on Western and 48th Street is what I want to know. We used to frequent Slauson a lot. The swap meet was kind of like a little we did it hub for a while where we would get all of our shit made. Yeah. Now you can just like go to like... I get it all in China. Squid. yeah or like whatever there's like places like ink squid i go to ink squid i go to red bubble yeah you just go on anywhere none of this stuff none of that existed even like printers and shit because you guys were making a lot of merchandise highly coveted if i remember correctly yeah it was i thank you i guess Yeah, we were just making a lot of shit, and a lot of it was just via the swap meet. The embroidery guy. Okay, so you're saying you would take your blanks down to the embroidery guy at the swap meet and go absolutely fucking crazy. To get an authentic urban edge, and I think that's dope to do that. Well, it was the only place I knew of to get shit made. I didn't even know otherwise. I went there maybe like a year ago just to check in. It's different. It's different, but, like, I was equally blown away. I think the last time I went, like, a year ago, I remember, like, eating an edible before. Just be like, see what's going on. Yep. And it was, I saw some of the sickest shit I've ever seen. I remember seeing one. It's, like, a 3XL purple shirt, and it had two hands with handcuffs breaking free. Were they Mickey glove hands? It was sort of Mickey glove handsy, but in giant letters it said, free my grandma.

Free her, man. Till it's backwards. Till it's backwards. They make a shirt for everything at the Sloss and Swap Meet. Was it an airbrush, or was it just like a print? No, a screen print. A screen print. But is the pricing at the Swap Meet pretty good, or do they hit you with the white boy tax? The prices have gone up. It's gone up. It used to be just like the sickest. Oh, fuck. That's it. It's an orange shirt, not a purple shirt. That's beautiful. Free my grandma. It used to be exclusively shit like that and like fake iceberg, like Looney Tunes, like the good shit, you know? And then... Yeah, the good shit. The good shit, you know what I'm saying? And then I think like 2013 rolled around and like Tyga was wearing all that like weird fake Versace brand. And then it all became like sublimate printed like... pharaohs, which I was still down with. I'm like, this is sick. You're saying that whatever the swap meet was serving, you were sort of eating. You were happy with it. But then Tyga came through with his Rack City money and fucked the game up, is what you're saying. Start putting a pharaoh on everything. We left no crumbs for a while. I feel like Henry, I feel like you maybe spent some time with Tyga. Is that crazy for me to think? No, one of the guys I have not. I would have loved to. We all would. Tyga and Ray J, to me, are in the same. And Soulja Boy, that's the goaded trio that can do anything, and I'm down with it. Dream blunt rotation, to be honest. You're actually dream blunt rotation. They have these similar sort of fuck it attitudes. I think that's why I grouped them together. Yeah. Ray J is like... Well, they're all entrepreneurs. That's right. The deepest troll. I love him. No, he's unbelievable. I'm a big fan of Love and Hip Hop, one of the greatest series to ever exist. And Ray J's run on that is Hall of Fame level. I mean, he's kind of the guy I think of now when I think of the series. Do you remember Soulja Boy's short stint in the Atlanta version? Of course. Yeah. Of course. There's just this one quote that I'll always remember.

I forget who his girl was at the time. Might have been, I don't even know. She was like, they were moving in together and he was like building a man cave. Soldier cave. Soldier cave. And she was like, what do you need a man cave for? And he looked at her like the most like, what the fuck are you even talking? And he was like, to smoke. You dumb bitch. And looked at her like so confused. Like, what are you fucking even asking? She's like, you have a Supreme store in your kitchen and your living room is every video game ever made. What do you need a man here for? She's like, you can smoke in one of the 15 bedrooms in suburban Atlanta that you bought. You bought the whole kid robot store. Like, you're good, bro. It's fine. That's a bedroom. It can be whatever you want it to be. Whatever. We tease, but we all wish that our brain worked like that. All right. We'd be in a different place in this life. It'd be a blessing. Now, do you guys think Soulja, who do you think's got the most bread? Well, Tyga's got the most bread out of those three, but who's got the most bread between Ray J and Soulja? I don't want to be a pocket checker. I don't know. That's a good question. I think Ray J has more money. Really? So you think Raycon sold more? the soldier boy game boy yeah because ray raycon is a legitimate business that has spent millions and millions of dollars on podcast we've done ray j ads ourselves whereas proudly i've purchased a soldier boy i purchased a soldier watch knowing full well that it'll never arrive yeah i gave him 39 and i was like that's it yeah i did the same thing for the first soldier game con and that did it show up to the crib No, no, no. But I have to say, guys, I have to say this business model of taking money and never using it to produce anything could make you rich if you get away with it for long enough. He's done a couple of them. I think he does one a week and it still finds victims. There's a new, he's like doing like a, you know, like the friend AI fucking thing. He's like making one.

That's so hard to do. That's so technologically advanced. I can't imagine what a step down from one of those things would be. I want to know what the soldier twist is. If it's his voice, that's pretty good. The thing is, with all the other shit, there was no twist. They're not even branded. He's a drop shipper for Alibaba. I would rather give him my money than... He's the Bernie Madoff of the streets. Exactly. And I want to see him win. I want to see him win. Does Soldier live in L.A. or does he live in Atlanta? He's global. He's global, dude. Come on. I'm sorry. I didn't mean to. I mean, he's got to go to China to check on the factories and stuff, make sure everything's getting out on time. He's got a guy for that, dude. No, he's doing it. Yeah. I'm sorry to hear that. Soldier boy walking around a factory with his hands behind his back, like, inspecting. Secretly John Cena can speak, like, fluent Cantonese in Mandarin. He's, like, going to all the factories. Ni hao ma, soldier. Okay, well, you were talking before about every time you go and play a show, you've got to get the dog sitter and the this, that, and the other thing. Yeah. How do you do you miss when when we were all playing an EDM festival, you know, seemingly once a month somewhere. And yes, in Denver or New Hampshire or man, it's so funny, like being where I am now and just having seen that whole shit kind of like collapsing on itself. And like, I don't know if you listen to my other albums like I've never really made. no not at all not at all never and you're lost but we don't need to talk about it no no shame in this it's some beautiful music to smoke to and ride to you know it's yeah there's your impressive work with jeremiah beasters yeah yeah but it's not necessarily you know you and tiesto up there making the same well yeah everyone will be bummed when i play those things so it's like clearly i'm not meant for this like i'll take this check but i'm gonna upset the audience it was always one of those things i felt like europe was so far ahead back then it was like oh they have like culture for electronic music that isn't

this i can't wait till i go play primavera instead of the hard festival because they're gonna get it exactly i would say no to hard fest like every year i was like no i can't and then i realized like this is american culture this is yeah this is what we do here this is what we do here so when you would play something like heart festival would you do your best or would you just play your shit and let them hate from outside the club i said no until 2019 and then i did it one time and i played guitar i did full like rock shit set and people were bummed and it was awesome they weren't into the slow dive set at hard festival all right all right mcgee calm down let's not shit no you're the proto but you're the proto i know you're the og but i think that's a testament to how cool you guys are and how much of like a mysterious draw where it's like we want these guys so bad even though the music that they're making has no place here it's just like i want to hang out these guys i want to you know get them in the mix i want them to be backstage i want to own their friendship and pay for it kind of you know there was some of this yeah there was some of that at um that fucking fyf festival rest in peace i didn't know you but i didn't know you put out any eps with burger records i didn't that's interesting i thought you had your own label but i guess okay hey fyf was different at the beginning though You know what's funny is we actually did tapes with Burger, so you're not even making jokes here. This is just my life, dude. We know how to make white label 12 inches, but we're going to outsource the tape making to those nerds over at Burger. Dude, we had nothing ourselves. We didn't make anything. It was like everything was whoever could help us. We were just stoned. All right, this episode of How Long Gone has brought you back. Quince. Jason, the temps are warming up. It's getting hot out there. Summer always changes how I get dressed. I need pieces that feel lighter, more breathable, and they're just easy but still put together. I don't want to look like a slob. That's why I keep coming back to Quince. They focus on high-quality essentials that feel and look amazing. Breathable linen and soft organic cottons. Well-made basics but without the luxury markups. That rare balance where everything feels elevated.

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as your competition, if not more. So head to squarespace.com slash how long for a free trial. When you're ready to launch, use offer code how long to save 10% off your first purchase of a website or a domain. You're stoning people sending email and you're like, all right, it was technically a record label. So somebody had to do something. Yeah. I mean, we were like getting what we would do, like tape collabs with them. We would get our vinyl made through whoever could make it the cheapest and what, you know, and then. find a distributor. So you didn't have an in-house distributor that you poached from Universal Music Group? No. We would ship stuff ourselves until it was too much. So there was no radio department or anything like that? Okay, got it. The whole thing was just me and Nick. It was nothing. That's pretty funny because I do feel like that was not my world necessarily, but it was very adjacent to my own world. And I do remember thinking, Whatever this is feels cool, but I don't know where my in is. And that's a powerful place to be, I think. That's cool, I think. No, I do, too. I do, too. Because I think when you make something feel that good from far away and people don't even know why they like it, that means that you kind of have them wrapped around your finger before they press play or, you know, whatever, buy something. I'll take it. Yeah. I'll take it. It's part of being an it girl. That's true. And I guess the rappers notice, which is always funny. Yeah, I never thought I would be an it girl, but well, it's over now. Just to be clear, you had your moment. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. It's been over for a while. We're very clear on this. We're very clear. We're very clear. You guys you guys stopped doing it just because you felt like it was over. No, I mean, it's not the door isn't closed. It's just like. We grow up and have less time to smoke weed together. Sure, sure. The project is alive, but we're less high, so we can't contribute as much time to it. Some of us are less high, yeah. I'm not speaking for everybody, but some of us. Yeah, I can't speak for us all.

I can't speak for myself. I feel like when we first met, I was smoking zero weed, and you were probably enjoying a good amount of it. Copious. And now I'm smoking a lot more, and I feel like you might be smoking a little bit less. Is that fair to say? I actually can't. I had a lung collapse. A couple of years ago. Okay. Very hairy experience. What does that, how does that happen? Like, why does that happen? They literally call, it's called a spontaneous pneumothorax. So it literally means like a random lung collapse in Latin. So like a one Oh tricks point. Never EP. Yeah. Yeah. That, that, okay. So you're, and what does that, it was a freak accident. what does that feel like if you could describe it when it happens it feels like just someone like kicked you in the back or some shit and you're like what the fuck it's like weird you're like why did it feel like someone kicked me in the back and it's like not apparent what's wrong you feel like you got one lump Feels like you got one lung, yeah. But did you thug it out for a little while before you went to Cedars? For a couple hours, I was like, I'm straight. We're good. And my girlfriend was like, you sound bad. Your voice sounds different. And I was like, it's fine. And I'm glad we went. Because I guess if you don't treat it, you can die. Right, right, right. I was going to imagine there was some bad things that would happen if it goes untreated. Well, the thing is that it's more the pressure. So, like, they don't just collapse. What happens is, like, a part of it will pop, and air fills your, like, chest cavity. So what happens is it can press on your heart, and your heart will just go, bye. So you go to the emergency room. Are you laid up for a while and then it's like long recovery period or is it relatively? It sucks. So they like immediately are like, oh, yeah, it's collapsed. And they just they flip you on your side and they just stick a tube through your rib cage and get air to release the pressure or release the air. OK, OK. And then that stays in there for two days. And the tube goes into your rib cage just.

We cut a hole through your body. Yep, just a little hole. And then you go... It's fried, dude. You feel it like scraping around in your lungs. Surgery is fried. I couldn't agree more. This wasn't even surgery. You're just awake. You're awake? They don't give you a little something? No, no, no, no. Luckily, you were high anyway, but still, that's like... I was like, can I please have Xanax or something? And then... Yeah, so they do that for like two days, and then they try and pull it out once your lung has re-expanded. But when they pulled it out, it popped again. So then another couple days, they had to put in another one, and then once it pops twice, they're like, so we kind of got to do this surgery. And the surgery is more fried. They cut out a little piece of your lung, and then they... literally sandblast the inside of your lung cavity with talcum powder. Oh, what? I didn't know talcum powder went inside like that. Neither did I, and so now I have a bunch. And it chafes up your shit on the inside. Okay. It scratches up the inside of your shit and fuses your lung. to the inside of your chest cavity so that it can't pop again. So it's like double-sided tape on the inside of your body to keep it in there. Exactly. The little gift tape. Wow. But the thing was, when I woke up, they had not given me any of the painkillers. So I woke up in this, like, it was like a Reddit, like, nightmare experience, like the things that you read about. That you're like, wow, I can't believe that's real. And you're like, thank God, that will never happen to me. I'm sure you weren't concerned with this at the time, but did they give you any reasoning as to why they hadn't given you anything? Oh, no, they said you're on it. You're on it right now. It was supposed to be Fetty, bro. They were going to give me fentanyl, right? Hell yeah. Yeah, I mean, I was on Deloudedford.

A week before that. And I was like, sure. Don't sleep on Lil D. Lil D goes. Lil D will get you right. Lil D will get you right. Do not sleep on Lil D. It ain't the big D, but it's Lil D. The big D being Demerol. Lil D was fine. But so I woke up. They're supposed to give me real, real drugs. And because it's fucked up. The surgery is fucked up. They hit you with a Tylenol four. No, they didn't hit me with nothing because they said you're maxed out. you're maxed out on paint the the fetty was everything that's it and i couldn't speak like my eyes are rolling back type shit i'm like sweating through the bed like white type shit yeah yeah and um they wouldn't release me from the room because they were like clearly something's fucked up so they were holding me in there for like hours and then finally they like send me out to like my girl and my family and they're like what the fuck is wrong with him because i'm like like it don't look like y'all are done with this whole yeah i don't think y'all fixed yeah go back in there and finish the job miss the step yeah miss miss something um and uh they were just like no we can't give you anything you're you're all we can do is benadryl whoa the extra fucked up thing was it was the last surgery of the night So they're like, oh, the pain team's gone. Your doctor's gone. Everyone's gone. We can't really do anything until 8 a.m. tomorrow. And I was like, guess I'll die. Yeah, I guess I'm going to die here. I like the pain team. That sounds like something I'd like to be a part of. You wouldn't. They're a really sick bunch of individuals. Well, I guess who makes the decision on when the patient is maxed? That feels like the boss has to be like. So if you're on whatever the amount of fentanyl that you're supposed to be from the surgery, they can't give you any more deluded or whatever after that. So you're saying that they incorrectly documented that you were already full of fentanyl, so we're not going to give them anything else? Or were you on fentanyl and it wasn't doing it?

I know what that's supposed to feel like. Oh, okay, big dog. Don't stunt on this Tom Petty with the patch. No, no, no, no. I know what drugs feel like. Damn straight. Welcome home, brother. Damn fucking straight. And that was not that. I know what drugs feel like. Very cool. Yeah, very cool, dude. I didn't do homework where I'm from. This is a thing. And I was reading about it afterwards. Nurses get caught stealing. the fentanyl a lot um yeah and uh replacing it with saline or whatever the fuck and so i'm pretty sure this is what happened because bro this was not right this is not correct bro let's make a podcast about this we're gonna find this bitch well it could have been a guy it could have been a guy could have been a dude so the the pain team like main guy who was like my anesthesiologist You never think about who they're going to be, like, before they get there. And this guy came in. He was, like, buff as shit with, like, with a dyed goatee, like, black. What up, King? You guys ready to get sedated? He was, like, hey, King. Yeah, literally. The buff-typing King. He was, like, that vibe. And I was, like... He was Chad Esthesiologist. Yes. Okay. Could have been him. Could have been him. I don't trust him. So did you finally, after the worst night of your life, did they give you a bump the next morning? I mean, yeah, they gave me a fucking five milligram oxy or something. Child's dose. Little baby dose. And then they had social services and all these teams come in being like, what happened? What was wrong? And I'm like, who gives a shit at this point? What the fuck? What am I going to sue Cedars? It's not going to happen. So how long did this take you out for? I mean, I was in the hospital for two weeks. Yeah, it was a bummer. And could you eat and shit, or was it like bad news? Like you were just sort of laying there. I was pretty much just laying there. The homies can pull up with the matzo ball soup or something like that, you know? A couple of homies pulled up. A couple of homies pulled up. Jack and Nick brought me some balloons.

Got a minion balloon in there. How are you feeling? Don't talk, but we brought you a minion balloon. Don't get too excited. No, I was feeling good during the day because I was on drugs. But did you make through the wire? Did you bring the NPC? No. I was barely. You know what's funny is I was remembering, I don't even think I looked at my phone. I think I was just like. ceiling yeah the light the little light in the corner you're watching beat bobby flay for 18 hours a day yeah i think i was just like whatever yeah literally whatever movie was on i don't think i was even intaking so you were in the hospital for two weeks but from from initial pain to i'm back feeling good i can jog what are we looking at oh probably like another Two months after that. Okay. But the biggest adjustment seems like we had to put down... Put down the ganja for a little bit. The penjamin had to go on the charger. Yeah. Eddies are okay? Eddies are straight. I was doing... Yeah, the eddies have been straight. What about Marlboro Lights? No, unfortunately, no burning things. But what do they say to you? They're like, don't do this. It'd be bad. Or they're like, chief, you really can't do this. It wasn't even really either because it's... random when it happens it happens to people that don't smoke it's usually because of an underlying genetic thing which is like marfan so you're saying your dad was on the backwoods then yep dad was on woods only chocolate out backwoods um okay so only tie even even though it could happen to a non-smoker once you go through all of that you're really scared you know like I'm sure the worst thing you could do for a collapsed lung is smoke a bunch. That and the doctor went in there. I've been, you know, smoking so much for a long time. And the doctor was like, yo, that shit looked bad in there. So while I was in there saving your life, you're like, sorry, doc, I didn't know you were a pussy. I was able to scrape the bottom of your lung. Fucking narc. Yeah, he was scraping the lung like it was a bowl. He was trying to get the resin out.

exactly dude he's trying to hit the little resi no this it was totally unrelated he was like to my family he's like yo his lungs are fucked up don't let him smoke anymore now my mom's all freaked out i'm like your mom and dad must have known based on your persona and output that you were a smoker oh yeah yeah you would take a little cousin walk on thanksgiving it's nothing you're not new to this you're true pops is a stoner as well so it's oh pop smokes it does yeah i wasn't even kidding it runs in the family okay Wow. Okay, so how do you like your new life as an edibles-only guy? What's your milligram dosage? Let's get into it. It sucks. Edibles are the worst. See, that's what I know a real smoker, because real smokers are like, I want to hit the backwoods, I want to hit the swisher, I want to hit the joint, I don't want to eat a little cute gummy from a child. There's no amount that's fine. Good or bad. It's child stuff. Yeah, good or bad. It's bad. So you're saying you could take it and you feel nothing or you take it and you feel too much. Yeah, it's like you take one, nothing. Two, nothing. Three, I can't tell. Four, I'm panicking. But you're still finding a way to take them. Finding a way. You're pushing through and I'm proud of you. Life persists. It's still better than being sober. Did you have a I saw the white light like I thought this was it? Moment? No, but I had a moment where I was like, please no more. Let me die here. You're saying the pain. You're saying the pain. You're like, all right, if this is it, that's fine. It's got to stop. If they could do that to people, I would tell anything. Okay, so you're saying this is your waterboarding. This is your Gitmo. Yeah, I would have rather done a lot of Gitmo stuff. I get tortured now. I would have rather done the Gitmo stuff. okay well then did you take did you take all of this pain and turn it into an album or is or the two things unrelated kind of unrelated because i feel like i mean well in a way if anything the only thing i really took from it was like everything is nothing and i can like what am i trying to do here and what do i actually like this could all be over tomorrow type shit for real yeah elliot smith yeah yeah

mindset okay miss misery over here yeah exactly um you know just just like why would i want to do anything and like why do i want to make this album like what that's why and that's why i call jack from salem get his hot ass in the studio and say if i'm gonna die i want to be with this bisexual king i want to make hits my bisex king dude um Yeah, we had actually been working on shit beforehand, so that wasn't a reaction to find shit. You're like, I didn't have to go to the state prison in Nebraska to make this song. Yeah, Clark County. We were good. I had the files already. I mean, no, I think that's a pretty crazy... I mean, I think that you have a pretty good perspective on it, but that's a pretty gnarly thing to happen. especially out of nowhere like you said there were no symptoms you know yeah it sucked it sucked um yeah it's just been like kind of acclimating to life is not having a joint in my hand has been the most difficult thing was it hard to make was it hard to make music like without just just like mentally yeah totally um i think for me my music has always come from a very like trancic type place where i'm like forget everything that exists and like you know um try and make new ideas i think my my music is mainly about like for myself when i'm making it is like experiment but i feel like stew pickles like fiddling in my i'm trying to invent something you know what i'm saying like i'm not i'm not stoked on like i listen to a lot of music that is just like songwriting like a dude and a guitar and nothing else but like for me i feel like the only thing i have to add to that kind of canonical conversation is like a new sound like something some different if i was just a dude playing guitar i would be like this dude does it better than me i'm not trying to do that shit i'm sure you know so that always went kind of hand in hand with either weed or whatever just kind of being in this more open galaxy brain an altered state an altered state an altered state

you might say yeah do you do you think that that was weird wanted to have you know a truly new original sound is that just to please and and appeal to your own brain and your own standards or it wasn't because you needed to have like i'm the guy who invented this i'm the guy who invented this i think people would be really stoked if i didn't uh make new things i think every time henry can you just make a song well every time i make anything people are like why isn't it the last thing you made make it again i'm that kind of person i'm always like oh you really need to push yourself because i kind of liked it when you were doing the other stuff well i mean what's fucked up as a fan is i think we all are it's like i listen to you know we connect with something on a you know youthful level and then everything that we're looking for is kind of based in this big nostalgia brain about when when and how we first found it yeah i mean when we were just talking about how your album sounds like a depeche mode album we we don't want to hear the 2025 Depeche Mode song. We want to hear the 1989 Depeche Mode song. And even though we love and respect and we'll still go to every show, deep down, that's what they all want. We can't help it as fans of stuff. As a fan of stuff, every time you go see Morrissey play, you want him to do a bunch of Smith songs. You don't want him to do the song he wrote in 2019. I want him to do Meet His Murder. Yeah, I'm not looking for that. Look, it ended at You Are the Quarry. And everything after that, we don't want to hear. That's where we got the Tummy Gun. It was good. Good cover. Great cover. Irish Blood, English Heart goes off. True. At the Morrissey Show, actually. But yes, I think we talked about it maybe with Jarvis Cocker, but that album was good. The Pulp, the Return album was actually good, and no one... It's very rare when it happens. I can't think of anyone else that has been able to do that. It happens. It does happen.

weirdly the i mean not really like a comeback but um kim gordon's new shit yeah yeah yeah it's good i'm down i'm here for it yeah for sure i agree fine shit but i but the overarching point is even though the kim gordon album is dope even though the new pulp album is actually good we still would rather have the the 1993 sonic you shit you know what it is yeah yeah and so as a as a dude making stuff it's always funny so like the The idea to push and make new stuff is always just for me. Well, I mean, that's the way it should be. You have to be entertaining yourself up there on stage or else there's no point of any of it. But I think that for people like you where you're ahead of the curve for a lot of sounds and a lot of aesthetics and just in general, I think that the world is starting to catch up to it now. And I think that what you're doing, even if you thought it, you know, in 2019, when people want to watch Dom Dalla and whatever, instead of you do your little shit. Little shit. They want to watch Cali Swag District or whatever it is instead of you. 2019 was scary. But I went to a show this weekend at the Echoplex. And it was like a festival of like... I almost went to that. I was going to... Yeah, that looked cool. What is it? Was it Dusty EDM for LA guys? It wasn't. What was it? It was all these new kids and bands and shit. It's called And Always Forever. And it was like a two-day festival at the Echo and the Echoplex. Sold out. And it was branded as the first all-ages... electro clash and shoegaze festival i'm out but so it was so it was like like i went i went there to go see i mean that's a that's a tough pill to swallow but there's like um i went to go see dj python and he has like another band and they played and so it's like bass victim and like new like bubbling groups ear played which i which i just listened to the new record and i love that shit i'm

far too old and and cis for this but i like it base victim telling me to check it out and then i look at the pictures and i'm like i don't know if i'm gonna first play on this i'm about i'm about 30 years too old i need to be six yeah i need i need to be a five but like so it's like that stuff mixed with martin rev and drop 19s and like oh okay all right real shit the shoegaze means something different now it does It does. So they had the old mix with the new, but all that is to say, I'm watching these bands on stage, and it's a guy with a laptop with his Ableton open, and a guitar, and a girl is singing, and they're making some weird artistic shit, and the crowd is absolutely enamored, loving it, whereas that's never really happened until right now. It feels like this is the first time where we're going to go see a DJ play techno, and then... a band from 1986 is going to play, and then these two kids from Nebraska with their computer are going to dance around, and it's all in the same zone. I'm hyped on kids' consumption of stuff right now. All that is to say, if you were on this bill, you would have fit right in perfectly with the new record and how it sounds. Which is a trip, because I feel like there has not been a thing like that maybe ever. Yeah. Other than I feel like... FYF, did it semi-well on a large scale, but it was so early. You should check out Coachella Festival. Yeah, they do this good thing backstage called the YouTube tent. But I think this is sort of... I think our age group, it was very... I think the genre lines were much thicker, and it meant more as far as who you were as a person, what you chose to identify with. Totally. And now it's just like... I like cool stuff, and that doesn't really matter. The template is kind of all-encompassing of, like, everything that was cool from time. So it's like there's a new identity that's kind of just embracing everything that was. Like, I have to know about Shlomo and Fugazi and DJ Screw. Or, like, not know about any of it and just wear the thing that.

was from the time and then get educated later. The whole template and meme of every subculture and whatever exists for you to look at and copy completely. It's funny, the entry point for people is always different now. If they find out through... fashion. They might not ever find out about the music that created it or vice versa. There's no pressure to investigate. Yeah, totally. If I was a kid now, how even would you investigate other than knowing what key phrases to look at on Wikipedia or some shit? The internet's gone. That's a trippy thing that I've been dealing with recently is looking for the stuff from kind of our little heyday of early 2010s whatever that shit is gone you mean you mean like if you're looking for a song you you can't find your the stuff that you're looking for online even images from festivals that were like had a million people attending just like imger photo bucket like whatever all these things that that we thought would transfer to something else so you're looking for a pit you're looking for embarrassing picture yourself wearing all over print exactly exactly and you can't find one looking for myself in the green apple tree hat with the king at the crooks and castles that's a rare ref um yeah but i but and i'm sure that i because i've got this over the years and i'm sure you get all the time where somebody's like hey you made a remix or you made a mixtape for this thingy in this year and i can't find it anywhere do you have it and i'm like i even i don't have that that's what i'm talking about and i created it with my computer and i had the files and it's just we we are from a lost it's it's kind of cool but it's also kind of trippy to think like when kids are trying to find out about that shit it's like it's opaque there's nothing well it's funny you say that because jason sends our group chat a new picture of him at cine space once a week looking like he's

In the strokes, but a zombie. You transferred your photo bucket already. He found the photo bucket. It's not because I am in the trenches looking for this shit. It's because somebody sends me a photo. It's because the cobra snake was in the trenches for you. That era is well preserved. is well preserved somehow it's the one right after you're saying like the earlier days weirdly 2006 to 2010 we have like perfect yeah yeah yeah 2010 to 2017 it's a little bit of a no fucking gone that's actually really that is funny it doesn't make sense it doesn't make things were more digitized like there was easier access to it was so easily accessed that we took it for granted and now yeah we're just like i'm sure it's somewhere and then they're like no it's actually not i think it's when it first got semi what we thought was democratized, but was just... mini corporations uh that ended up dying are you talking about the friendster and everything adjacent like the imger photo bucket like all these z share hosting sites that just don't exist oh yeah i'm sorry you guys are i i was i keep thinking earlier because it's yeah yeah yeah but yeah i'm just gonna put everything on my flicker and it'll be there forever and my grandkids will find it and they're like no that server was blown up flicker and photo bucket and all that shit for shit but all those sites you guys use for like music stuff like all the zippy share all that shit like that was a that was like a five-year window where that was very normal and then it just completely went away media fire mega upload like all that shit's just gone it's hilarious no i mean i i have to buy whenever i dj like a wedding or some shit i'm like damn i gotta go buy this music the music that i used to have yeah the music that i used to have that i got from a russian website perfect quality audio file done by somebody who really just doesn't exist anymore flax waves whatever now it's like i gotta go spend a dollar 29 on amazon music to get let's get retarded in here by the black eyed bees to play at this wedding i need the original well you should have had that on cd and vinyl but i guess but i did have all of this stuff but now for some reason you know

this laptop and this laptop and that hard drive and that cloud and then suddenly you don't know where it's all gone man i'm so glad that i don't care about music in that way like i don't want to own any of it i don't give a fuck as long as i can listen to it i'm happy like i don't need to manipulate it in any you know what i mean i think i like i have other stuff like that But that game is crazy because I feel like it's never ending from a DJ perspective. Like I feel like there's always something you're kind of chasing because you remember it and it worked. Even just as a listener, it's fucking, it's crazy because a lot of that shit was just YouTube sound, like whatever, or like band camp stuff. It just doesn't exist anymore. It's like not anywhere. So I can't even hear it. This happened to me recently when I was in Florida. I was like reminded of this sort of like pre... dashboard confessional era singer songwriter from gainesville and i was like googling everywhere i'm like i cannot find keith welsh's music anywhere what the fuck and it like takes me to facebook and then i find that he's put it on band camp like as is and i buy it and i listen to it and i'm like damn this is this makes me feel so good and i cannot believe how hard it was to like i i just assume everything is on spotify or apple music i just don't even consider yeah i mean owning the files and playing it on your itunes or your apple music player yeah i i bought it for ten dollars from band camp and i loaded it onto my phone i'm listening to it driving around florida as god intended and i'm like damn these keith welsh songs hold the fuck up this is the this guy's clearly fat and never had sex when he made this and it works those are the better ones dude and if you're in the swamp with no reception you can play it instantly perfectly yeah exactly but i've never really had to do that because the music i like is pretty easy to find it like hardcore shits on youtube yeah like all the weird hardcore records are on youtube they they do some good documenting in that scene that's like part of it kind of i think in a lot of ways you know they're not busy getting laid so they got to do something right yeah well i think they did get laid and they had two kids and now

They got nothing else to look forward to. They got laid twice, sorry. Yeah. Last question, I wanted to talk about snare drums. I was working out in the garage yesterday listening to the new record on repeat. Hell yeah. Well, I was also high. Sorry, I don't mean to rub it in. Please. But I was like, I was thinking about the evolution of just kind of the snare drum and how, you know, like with hardcore back in our, you know, that snare drum sound. for like a punk record or a hardcore record or a metal record is like such a defining distinctive thing. And now with electronic music and everyone has to have, you know, quote unquote, their snare sound and everyone has their, you can just pick it out in a lineup. And I was, I was admiring how unique and powerful your snare sounds and thank you, you know, make it loud without being loud. Who'd you steal it from? A couple of people, I think. Well, that's the thing. It's like a, it's like a, a kaleidoscope it's a quilt you you take 11 different snares and you layer them and pan yeah add stuff to it to make something completely unique a lot of it i mean the actual snares in the songs are just uh drum machines with big effects and then yeah layered as you said and then some uh sometimes some uh recorded snare foley that i'll do separately on top but um My main inspo is, like, I'm looking at the poster behind you, Pet Shop Boys, fucking Peter Gabriel, Phil Collins, the big 80s. Original Snare Kings. Original Snare Kings. The other thing that really inspired me is that era of nu metal and emo, like, the really quick high snare. Like, I never use it, but it's, like, layered sometimes deep in there to give it a, like, bink. It's impossible. Who are some of these new metal emo bands? I mean, I'm always listening to Tidal Fight, but theirs is kind of more... I'm just inspired by rock drum mixing. It's not foreground ever. And I think with a lot of electronic music, it's just right there. It's the first thing. And so being...

uh using a lot of electronic stuff but also using guitar and trying to make it this record more kind of guitar centered focus like it's music music you're making songs not ids making songs i just fuck with i just fuck with music though that's what i my main thing is music that's what's up that's what's up but yeah snares man um snares man no mainly mainly 80s tears for fear is like the gated dated reverb big snare type of snare make a make a young man's lung collapse when it hits you exactly hit you right in the chest all right henry well uh thanks for taking the time to pod with us we appreciate it it's a real pleasure guys and everyone go check out the new record repulsor if you want it's great Great artwork featuring our boy Salem. Thank you, sir. Thank you, Cyrus. There's some other features, right? There's also Corbin on there. We got Corbin. Spooky Black. Formerly known. I love. Isn't there a Corbin record that's sort of like guitar that came out at some point? That is a classic. I forgot about that until right now. There's a couple. Shut up. I'll look back into that. All right, bro. We'll stay up. Good to see you, my friend. Blessings, my kings. Good to see you. Thank you. Peace y'all. Bye.