427. - King Princess

All right, this episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by Stateside with Kai and Carter, a new podcast from The Guardian. And they are using this podcast to slow down the news and wrestle with the questions that we all have about what's happening in the world. And they do it three times a week, Jason. Does that sound familiar to you? We don't really talk about, you know, a lot of international global news items and climates and cultures and sports and things like that. We do talk about fashion and wellness, but for everything else, Kai and Carter are a great place. All right, so who couldn't use more news? Listen wherever you get your podcasts. or watch on YouTube. Chris Black, DJ Them Jeans, aka Jason Stewart, aka Big Bird. What's really good, family? I'm just dealing with body pain, but otherwise... Otherwise, I'm good. Okay, so your body, yaddy, yaddy, yaddy is giving you problems yet again. But this is hopefully that good, good Pilates soreness because those micro muscles are getting worked like never before. Or is there another injury due to age? No, it's exactly that. I mean, well, it's both for sure. Okay, okay, okay, okay. There is the age coming into play, and I am trying to run towards the pain, not away from, but I think I was getting a little too big for my britches, and I was like, oh, I can just do Pilates like four days a week, five days a week, and I'll be good. I'll be looking like Shawn Mendes by the time my wedding comes around, but I was... It was a little too ambitious. No, not you. You're really not an ambitious person, so I find that hard to believe. And this is why. This is why I have no ambition because this is usually how it works out. But I'm not giving up. I'm not giving up because I love the high that I get. I think I talked about it last episode. But just when you're done with it, you feel... Oh, we're chasing that dragon. We are...

All of our micro-muscles throbbing as we walk into the local smoothie purveyor to get some sustenance after a sesh. Yeah, just walking around Whole Foods. With your shirt just painted on, dripping in sweat, smelling like balls and ass. Yeah, yeah. And you're walking around. No, no, Jason. The balls and ass smell is because you once again have gone to the sauna at Equinox. That's a different smell. I know that you're trying to bottle that, but we'll talk later. Yeah, and ironically, that's the only time where I for sure shower right afterwards. Within seconds, I'm in the shower. still the the ball it permeates uh steven jenkins voice um well i've been um doing my little social stuff uh here in the big apple so chris is feeling a little a little worn out yeah this is event season right it's it's holiday season uh it is it is holiday season it's event season um i went to a a nice um intimate dinner uh at front of the show meals house where he made like a all day mushroom He did beef and then did mushrooms the same way he did the beef, and it was excellent. Could you walk me through what that way was? I'm dying to know. It was in a nice white Le Creuset, and it sat on the stove like all day in like a broth. Okay. I'm not totally – it wasn't wetty when it came out, but I also witnessed something I'd never seen before. There was mushroom cleaning with a small toothbrush. Have you seen that before? Yeah, because you're not really supposed to wash a mushroom the same way that you would wash a vegetable or the same way you would wash a box of Triscuits during the COVID pandemic. Of course. I would bathe those in my little rubbing alcohol, but I know that other people might use water. Any way you do it, any way you want to do it, there's no wrong way.

sous chef was cleaning those and i walked over and i was like what what is going on i've never seen this before and they were both kind of like you pedestrian loser stop you don't clean your your your chanterelles with a toothbrush from uh you know the tortoise general store in venice and i was like no i don't um but it tasted delicious there was a mashed potato there's some carrots um it was a it was a delicious meal i actually made mashed potatoes for one last night i was i had a solo dinner So I treated myself to a steakhouse-style meal alone, grass-fed, grass-finished, of course. You deserve it, Jason. I love when you treat yourself. Fuck it, bro. Well, I mean, my chick went out to dinner with some friends, and she was in, like, you know, I'm in. steakhouse mode she went to south beverly grill you know they're getting martinis and they're getting spicy skinnies and you know mashed potatoes and uh shrimp cocktails all the good shit and i was like oh damn you're craving it what if i just i'm gonna i'll just make this same that same meal at my house it'll cost 10 times less and taste 10 times better okay let's not let's you don't have to see this is the problem you don't have to reveal yourself as cheap you could have just said You could have just said. Ten times better and not ten times cheaper. Exactly. Learn from me. Learn from me. You're right, bro. You're right. And I'm trying. Thank you for that call out. I needed that today. Not call out, but yeah. Chris said I fell off in the kitchen. Ooh, I needed that. Ooh, I needed that. But last night we had the J. Crew holiday party at the infamous Odeon in Manhattan's Tribeca neighborhood. Just hours after the airmail party at Odeon. odeon just i just think that's funny odeons i i they must offer a discounted rate for brands i'm kidding i'm sure they're charging out the ass um but the um but the the highlight of the night beyond obviously linking and building with with all the friends of the brand meaning my own and how long gone's um was the uh there was a they did a custom j crew french fry box which i thought was

quite a nice touch jason and i just something i just want to put on your radar you know as we look towards activations in 2023 yeah um if we're doing if we're doing any french fried potatoes a custom box is going to be kind of necessary we are balls deep in holiday event season and that does seem like a great idea i don't know i i think the minimums might not work out for my personal brand's budget you know i might have to get five five hundred french fried broccoli made for for my, uh, eight top, but it's not outside of the realm of possibilities. No, no, no. It's still affordable and it's not sustainable, which I love. Um, but the, um, yeah, I enjoyed that. And then, and then, uh, Eric Chakine, I had a late dinner at St. Ambrose, um, which he absolutely despised. And I of course enjoyed because he much like you, uh, doesn't find the joy, the quite the same joy in restaurants like that as I do. So he was like, I mean, but he recognizes like, it's a cool spot. It's a hot room. He just doesn't like the food. He recognizes that it's funny to go there, but he's like, yeah, okay. Yeah, we went there. Well, could you explain to our listeners who are not familiar why it would be funny to go to this restaurant? Well, St. Ambrose during the day, the Lafayette location, which I prefer, is a little more of like a chic scene, but at night it turns a little more Euro-y and kind of like hot. hot 22-year-old girls with rich boyfriends celebrating a birthday kind of vibe, which is not bad. But the salmon I had last night, I have to say, one of the best pieces of salmon I've had in a while, if I'm keeping it 1K. I've got to say, it's unusual, correct me if I'm wrong, for a restaurant to become... less cool at night than it is at lunch usually it's kind of the other way around where like lunch is the only time where the punters can actually get a table and then dinner oh we don't have No, I don't know. Don't be crazy. Yeah, I find that. I agree with you. I don't know what. Maybe this is more a comment on my personal taste. You know what I mean? Yeah, it could be. In patrons. But yeah, it was. So anyway, I've been out. You sympathize a Euro trash person more than the average bear. Of course. I like to see them visiting New York and kind of pumping money into our local economy. You know what I mean? It's important for us to survive. So I've had two nights until midnight in a row.

And followed by a morning Barry. So I'm feeling like a shell of myself. I need to get back to L.A., hit the infrared, see Hunter, get Shinobu over to the house. I'm falling apart. I'm worse than you. You've got to get centered. Well, I'm going to go. I'm hitting the club tonight for the Celine party. That is not very exclusive. I'm a little scared as well because. My partner has been working all week long. Call times early, far away destinations. So, you know, it's a lot of, you know, 4.30 a.m. wake-up calls, going to bed super early. So tonight, you know, I'll be doing my first gummy of Molly when I would normally be brushing my teeth and getting ready for bed. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hitting the hay. Well, I mean, look, I guess this podcast is coming out tomorrow so we can talk about the rumored performers. Just to tease people, but I'm hearing, obviously we're hearing The Strokes, Interpol, Iggy Pop, but I heard a new one yesterday, Jason. Oh, shoot. Okay. Maybe this is not true. Karl Barat from The Libertines is now in the mix. This could be just a rumor. What? That's weird. Very weird, but also, I'm sure. Like a solo set? Unclear. Maybe he's just a red carpet invite. It's possible that wires are getting crossed on the rumor mill. But I'm excited to see which member of these indie sleaze bands can actually fit into Celine clothing. I think Fab still keeps it pretty tight, you know? But Paul Banks, we all know from his box, he's too buff. He is a little buff. From the boxing, his arms are going to be too big to fit into one of those skinny cheetah print shirts. So I don't know what... And don't even get us started about Casablanca's, right? Oh, I mean, Casablanca's is... what's up what's up what's up we're just finishing our we're just finishing our intro if you could give us just a few minutes you can listen to us if you want yeah just give us like two two minutes yeah i mean i think that you're going to have fun at the party tonight um but you are gonna have to witness

Julian Casablanca squeezed into some rock star skinnies like a sausage. So I know he's going to keep his back to the crowd, but there may be too much junk in the trunk for that tonight, depending on what Heidi blessed him with. You know what I'm saying? I just like the idea of saying Julian Casablanca, the singer of The Strokes, has too much junk in the trunk. You know, we said in the last episode we need to bring back egging. We also need to bring out... Junk in the trunk? Saying people have a lot of junk in the trunk. Only men, though. I think it's only funny when it's a man. But yeah, we do... Of course, of course. We do have a guest today who... I was actually with her label head the other night at dinner. He said she's going to get wide open with us, is what I was promised. This is according to DJ Mark Ronson, you say. This is according to superstar DJ Mark Ronson. Michaela Strauss, who you probably know as King Princess, is a musician that I've been a fan of since I first heard 1950. I didn't realize she was so young. Jesus Christ. Yeah, she's like 23 or something. You'll get to hear Jason and I go back and forth with a young person, which we know is one of the crowd favorites. uh on on how long gone and luckily this one happens to be uh talented as well um but she's actually opening she's opening for the strokes well opening for the chili peppers oh i'm sorry i forget i try to forget that the chili peppers exist um so that's that's that's my b can't win them all can't win them all but yeah we're we're both very excited to talk to kp she's a she's a fun person she's iconic the list goes on let's give uh and her iphone the name of her phone You know how everyone, it's like Jason's phone or whatever. Hers is apparently iPhone 182, I'm learning right now, which is cool. That is cool. All right, let's do it. Let's call her fun. This episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by a new podcast from The Guardian, stateside with Kai and Carter. This is covering a lot of our bases, Jason. It's trying to slow down.

The news and wrestle with the questions we all have about what's happening in the world. And I know you particularly have quite a lot of questions. A lot of questions. But how often? Because we do this podcast three times a week and that's a sweet spot. How many times do they do? Three times a week. And I have a feeling just based on the platform and these talking points that they're maybe going to be covering different stuff than we do. That's just a guess. The Guardian is not some billionaire owned. They're not afraid to say what they want to say, brother. Yeah, Rupert ain't sniffing around in what journalists Kai Wright and Carter Sherman are up to over there at Stateside. But yeah, listen wherever you get your podcasts. You can watch it on YouTube. It's three times a week. And who couldn't use more news? Especially when it's not from here, let's say. Give it a listen. Give it a listen. Oh, this is huge for me personally. This episode of How I'm Gone. It was brought to you by TaskRabbit. Oh, baby, let me tell you something. This is not a joke. I use TaskRabbit a lot because I can't do anything. You need some art hung? TaskRabbit. You need a fucking something put together? A cabinet? Got to reach that cheese grater on the top shelf? TaskRabbit. Anything you need, TaskRabbit can take care of it for you. How it works, TaskRabbit connects you with skilled taskers in your area. They can help you move. They can assemble furniture, repairs, yard work, mounting, and more. You can search for a tasker based on cost, skill set, availability, and past client reviews so you know exactly who's showing up and can have confidence that they know what they're doing because taskers have assembled over 3.4 million pieces of furniture, completed 700,000 home repairs. handled 1.5 million moves, and the numbers are just going up, Jason. Yeah, throw a little money at the problem. It's not so expensive, and that job that you really don't want to do is something that another person out in the world is very good at doing and would gladly do it in exchange for a little bit of money. So when life happens, your to-do list grows. Get ahead of it now and get $15 off your first task at TaskRabbit.com or grab the TaskRabbit app using promo code

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I'm not fancy like that. I figured you might have gotten them for free, and it's kind of like a staple for hot people. I don't know if you've noticed that. It's kind of like a go-to accessory. You mean the AirPod Max? The AirPod Max. I'm sorry. The big ones. Yeah, the big ones. The cans? Yeah, the cans. Yeah, I'm sure Steve Jobs is rolling over in his grave when you call them cans. Well, that's a very studio thing to say, cans. Like, give me a cans. No, but my hot girlfriend has them, but I guess I didn't make the cut. Wow, did your hot girlfriend buy them at full retail, or was she blessed? No, we bought them at full retail. Who do you think we are? What am I, Beyonce? I know people pretty low down on the totem pole that are getting free headphones from Apple. I'm being honest. Well, then I guess I'm really fucking low down. This is something that Ethan should be working on. I know you're listening, so why don't you get in touch? with, with your friends over there at Apple and see if they can send a pack. Yeah. I mean, I'll get, I'll get Zane low on the horn. Don't worry. I can tell you, I can tell you a funny story though, before we begin that I was, I did like a event for Apple once where like I had to go and play like a couple little songs or whatever. And then there was like a Q and a portion afterward. Right. And so I'm playing these songs like fans or whatever. And then after the thing, I'm doing the Q and a and. I'm like, so it's so funny. I'm a professional musician who makes music on a computer, and I work on a [redacted address]. You're just letting them know. You're just kind of dropping that jewel that that's where you're at. And of course, I did it on what was on camera, right? So they're recording this. So then they brought out a laptop. um for me and yeah i know big moves and then literally a week ago that laptop died so i feel like it's karmic so it's time so are you in the market for a new acer gaming pc are you going to stick with the apple line of products i'm apple but i have i'm literally watching my best friend connor play ps5 in front of me right now because that's all we do what uh what what games are you are you playing nowadays kp well i mean i play rpgs but this is um

Right now, we just got the new Modern Warfare. We've just been giving these girls hell. Yeah, really? Modern Warfare? Okay, so is this like a bus thing, or is this you do this kind of wherever you are? No, I literally do this all day. You're a straight-up gamer chick. I'm a gamer. I don't know if we need to gender it like that. You know what? That's my bad. That's my bad. Now, when you're gaming, do you have any of the special accessories, or do you stick to kind of the classic? Oh, I'm on the mic. Okay, so you're on the mic. You have the headset on. I'm talking to the girls. You're active. You're active in the chat. I'm talking mad shit, and I'm also like. you know, being just absolutely gay and they're just living for it. Okay, so you mean, are you saying that you're kind of flirting with the other gamers or you're saying things that might get a rise out of them because they're not used to hearing this kind of language? Oh, they do not. They are not used to hearing this kind of language, no. I don't want to put you on the spot, but could you give us some examples maybe of the language that you're using? Give us a couple bars. Yeah, just give us a couple bars off top. Just a couple bars. This is like, okay, so me and my best friend Jack, this is what, so, We enter in, we go, is anyone bricked up? That's the first thing we said. Okay, no one knows how to respond to that. Could you explain what that means to other gamers that are listening right now? Are you hard? Okay. Okay. Thank you. So you go into the game with like 14-year-olds and you say, are you bricked up? And do they respond or they just kind of try to ignore it? There's a lot. Well, at first we say, are you bricked up? And then we say, I'm like, hey, girlies, like any gay people on here? And they're like, no. Look, read the room, lady. They're like, definitely, definitely not. And I'm like, okay, slay. And then, like, we just, we make noises. I mean, I like to let the girls know, too. Like, if I see someone coming, I'm like, girl, there's someone behind you. Like, there's someone behind you. That's really good. Girl, there's somebody behind you. There's someone behind you. And then they're like, thanks, bro. And I'm like, you're welcome. You're making it fun for everybody. Now, are you good at the game? Yes. Like, are you, what is your, okay, so.

You're not only playing games with their mind, but you're also crushing them competitively. What game are you best at? I don't want to put you on. I mean, I play a lot of RPGs. This is my foyer back into online gaming because when I was a kid, it would be like playing for hours online and getting into fights with people. But I usually do solo gaming. I love Last of Us. I just played Ghost of Tsushima. I'm pretty fucking amazing at Ghost of Tsushima, I must say. I'm sorry, I don't mean to interrupt, but what the fuck is that? offensive, first of all. Second of all, it's a gorgeous game. Please don't use that language with me, sir. Okay, so it's gorgeous. Well, it's a gorgeous, gorgeous game. Okay, I'm sorry. Yeah, it's a gorgeous game. I'm not familiar. I'm a 40-year-old man who's never played a video game. I just want to level set with you. So talk to me like a child. Talk to me like a child. Not one of your sexual conquests in the chat. Oh, my God. You think that I'm like... No, I'm not trying to look for love on the PS5 Live. Who said anything about love? No one said anything about love. Don't jump to conclusions. I used to play a little Call of Duty a long time ago, and the chat rooms and the chatter going on was very offensive, a lot of slurs. It was a toxic face. Very homophobic. Yes, very homophobic, very racist, just really, really terrible stuff. Now in 2022, is it different or is it still like a cesspool of toxicity? Like, are there people who are, are you alone in this, you know, being a positive gamer? I'm the most toxic person. You're like, actually, funny you ask. I'm the most toxic. I'm definitely the most, no, I, well, it's definitely still homophobic, but I can't, I mean, I'm living for that. Like, I don't fuck with any of the other stuff.

I haven't heard anybody say anything, like, really fucked up, but, like, that I was, like, whoa. But, like, whenever somebody's, like, homophobic towards me, I've kind of, like, as a child who gamed and, like, was constantly, like, you know, they'd be, like, why you sound so gay? And I'm, like, I'm an 11-year-old girl. And, like, now I'm reclaiming it, and I welcome, I welcome the homophobia in the chat room. I'm, like, let's go. Let's fucking go. But at the same time, it's a stress relief thing. You're saying this is your gym. Instead of doing squats, you're relieving stress via gaming. Yeah. I mean, it's literally the most fun ever. I don't know. When I'm not making music or smoking weed, I'm usually playing video games. Well, I wanted to ask about that because my relationship with video games is on marijuana much more cool and fun. Do you do you play while on marijuana or do you love the game so much you would never do drugs while you're playing? I love you saying on marijuana. That's so fierce. Yeah, no, I mean, I've actually just decided that I'm going to be a stoner again. I took a really long break and I know. And I was I took like a multiple year break because I was like I smoked every day and now I'm just like I feel like I have a good relationship with it. I don't want to be like. blastiana all day but i do i do want to like smoke weed and like you know enjoy life through that gorgeous gorgeous lens so i am yeah so i've started smoking again um yeah and i'm a pretty competent high person i must say that's good i mean it's important i mean i love marijuana i use it every day but there is definitely such a thing as becoming too blastiana and that can go to a dark place really quick and i'm proud of you for being able to know you know when to pump the brakes because that can be tough with marijuana well i said to you know my friend i was at dinner last night and i said to my friend like i you know i kept it was really expensive i kept breaking bongs because i'd fall asleep with them in bed and then they'd roll at off

Okay, so you were breaking the glass. You were, like, cuddling the bong, falling asleep. Yeah, I was like, good night. And some of these were probably some pretty dank pieces, so they must have been tough to see shattered on the floor. No, when my Pokemon-themed bong broke, it was really, like, there was a week-long period where I just... I didn't know what to do with myself. We're still in mourning. I'm still in mourning for the Pokebong. I hope you were able to call the glass blower that you know and have them kind of remake that for you. You know what? No, I didn't because there's only one of her, but now she's dead. thank you for your service pika you're a you're a bong hitter you're not like smoking a joint or maybe a classic bowl no i'm i'm all about the bowl but i'm saying back in the day my issue was that like i was doing shit like that where like i was like good morning like good morning to me and then like hitting the bong and i was like that's too much like i didn't know what it was like to not be stoned so like now i'm not stoned most of the time, but I really enjoy it when I am. So I feel like that's a really good relationship with marijuana. 1000%. I'm glad to hear that you're competent. Jason's not really competent. Like he claims that he's really, he really be smoking, but then I never see him John blazed. Like I see him take a little gummy, like a mom, but I never see him really, really go. I like to be, I like to be alone when I'm Blastiana. Well, that's, that sounds fake. Whatever you're saying right now. Exactly. Exactly. He sounds like a cop. I like to be alone when I go Blastiano mode. Fuck you guys. No, but I mean, when I get paranoid, if I want to get really high, I want to be in a place where if somebody that I'm friends with asks me a question, I want to be like... That's how high I want to get when I'm solo. I don't want to just watch a movie or...

you know, write in my fucking journal or some shit, you know, you journal gorgeous. Good for you. He doesn't journal. He's lying. Well, I mean, as you know, as a, as a drug using artist, you know that sometimes some of the best ideas come while you were high and then it's important to look at them the next day when you're not high and then be like, Oh, maybe not. Well, that's kind of, but every once in a while you're like, yes, that was an issue I had to, where I was like, the music was getting too thoughtful. Like, because I was high. Like, I was like, you know, I'm like, how cool are these chords? And, like, my label and my managers are, like, not cool. Like, what are you, fucking, like, fucking Allman Brothers? Ronson's like, we still need to make money on this album. We can't. This is not your thing. I'm like, it's a concept album. Like, it's too, I got, I get too, I get too crazy with it. Like, I get really, you know, intense about music when I'm high. So, like, I feel like I've been not high in the studio. for quite a bit now. And now I feel like the music's like, at least the shit I'm making right now is really cool. I think. I don't know. It could be trash. Well, that's crazy. You're saying that the music, you think the music you're making is cool. I'm shocked. I mean, that's kind of a revelation. Are you being sarcastic? I was being sarcastic. If you didn't like it, I would be worried. Well, I mean, some people really don't like their music, but it makes lots of money, so they're fine with it. Can you name names on that? For me, I'm just wondering if you have anybody you're thinking of directly there. You're not going to fucking catch me like that. What's wrong with you? No, I'm joking. I do think there are, you're right. I'm sure there are people that are not happy with their output, but they're very happy with what it does for their bottom line. Absolutely. And you know what? I went to media training. You boys will not catch me slipping and talking shit about. Okay. Do you, do you not think that, okay, you don't think we're smarter than that. You don't think we've been to media training to Shay. I honestly don't think you've been to media training and I think that you.

I think that being a podcaster affords you the opportunity to say literally whatever the fuck you want. Okay, first of all, no, I can't. That's actually a good point. I agree with that wholeheartedly. No, Jason, that's wrong. Are you ever jealous of that, KP? No, I'm not jealous of it. I don't want to be a podcaster, but I appreciate what you do for the world. No, he doesn't mean to be a podcaster. I know you don't want to be a podcaster, but are you ever envious of... you know people are you ever envious of a podcaster especially perhaps a male podcaster who might be able to say a little bit more of whatever they want to nowadays should we test it out here say i don't like gay i say i don't like gay people I don't like gay people. The problem is we're actually known as gay baiters on this podcast. So no one would believe us if we said we didn't like gay people. I don't think that would trap. So what are you talking about? Gay baiters? What do you say? Well, you like suck each other's dicks. What do you do? Exactly. Exactly. We're known for sucking each other's dicks, but we're not gay. You know what I mean? It's just like a thing we do. It's something that we've discussed a little bit before because people will sometimes. call us, uh, gay baiters, maybe because we have a lot of gay guests on and, and some people don't like gay baiting, you know, straight people trying to pander to gay people for more attention or more fans or more money. But it's also like, you know, gay people are just cool and fun. So why not try to impress them? Well, there's, there's two, there's two. That's a, that's a beautiful, I'm going to get a tattoo. That's a very cute angle and sense to take. Yeah. There's, there's, There's no other parts of this discussion. Good try, Jason. Good try. Well, here's here's the thing. Let me let me get philosophical with you boys for a second. So there's there's two there's two versions of this gay baiting debate. Right. There's people who are like just pissed off whenever like straight people enter into gay culture in any way, in any way, shape or form. And that's kind of bullshit because like it's just not fair to like if we want equality, we want to be seen as as equal and equal contributors to art and culture.

then we need to invite straight people into some degree. Thank you. And then there's people who literally pretend to be gay and are like, and use, and use, and use the aesthetic, the aesthetic of queerness to, you know, basically appear cool or, well, I'm not, I'm just saying that there are people who do that and that's fucked up. That's like, that's like girl, like eight years ago, like I wasn't even, I probably wouldn't have been allowed to come out. Like as an artist, like, so the fact that you jumped on this bandwagon is fucked, but that's different. That's not what you guys are doing. So that's, I guess that's kind of like gay fishing, like catfishing then. Oh my, yeah, exactly. Literally tricking people. No, we're not, we're not, we're not going that far. I'm glad for you. That's really nice. Good job. That's not what we're looking for, KP. That's what I'm looking for. I need all the reassurance I can get, so I really appreciate you patting me on my back. Thank you. Yeah, I've just patted you. You've been patted. I want to talk about AI portraits for a moment. You posted some recently on your Instagram, one of them with some big-ass muscles and red wine that I like that one the most probably. There's a lot of people on the internet who are like talking shit on people for like, oh my God, you spent $8 on this bullshit, blah, blah, blah. And I was thinking about it like we all live in this world where you as an artist also has to be a content creator. Your label and your team is always like, you guys, I need shit to post, blah, blah, blah. And it seems like a nice thing where you're like, oh, if you just spend $8, then your week's worth of content is paid for instead of a team of social media. That's an interesting angle to take. I like that. You know, there's like today's National Ice Cream Day or something like that. It just exists so people can go to an ice cream store and take a picture of them eating ice cream in a bathing suit or with their shirt off or something like that. this is sort of like hey just give me eight dollars and we are the content's made and it's really cool and it's fun i think that might be unfortunately the future of content creation and wait you know it could be the new netflix maybe i feel like whatever you just said about the ice cream thing was extremely chewy and funny and because like what who's instagram who the fuck do you know like it's like hashtag national ice cream are you kidding me well no i mean no nobody that i am personally friends with but you might see it

you know, on more of like a choogy, basic TikTok creator, YouTuber, you know what I mean? Just like a regular, like I'm a vlogger. The influencer community celebrates holidays that the rest of us don't celebrate because it's a content opportunity. Right. Okay. So here's my opinion. First of all, my label definitely, and whoever the higher powers of my social media, you know, whatever they, they are, they, they are not thrilled when I do things like that for sure, because they're like, that's weird. Like, why are you like, Stop being weird. Why are you doing this? This is too weird. They're like, they're like, that's weird. But then on the ad verse, when I'm not weird, then my fans are like, who took over this Instagram? Where's the weird girl we like? Where's the weird bitch we like? So it's like, you know, it's interesting with the whole debate. I honestly have no fucking idea what I think about this whole like AI artist ruining artists. Like, I don't care. I don't fucking know. That's not my business. I'm not a visual artist. I don't know. But you're an audio artist, and AI will be able to make songs. They're going to steal your job, too. They're going to steal your job, too. They're coming for all of us. When an AI makes a song that's better than my songs, then we'll talk. But I haven't heard it yet. So you don't listen to Grimes at all. I think it's a positive thing because actual humans making music like how you do. That'll become, you know, like the vinyl of music in the future where it's like, oh, you know, this is an actual or like I'm using analog gear and not just like a drum machine and Ableton or whatever. Well, it'll be more special. You're freaking me out with this conversation. I don't like it at all. It's actually actively scaring me. I don't want to think about these. You're making me uncomfortable, and I feel violated, and I'm not okay with this. Look, I don't like this picture that I'm painting either, but these are the cold hard facts of content creation, unfortunately. I don't know what the cold hard facts are, because everything is... Everything is cyclical. I mean, like people are going to get sick of like bad music. Like, like they do. I'm already, I'm already sick of it if I'm being honest with you. So I'm ready for a change. I am too, but you know, I think that it's like, you know, there's, there's phases in the world of art, you know, like if you talk to my parents who are like 60, they're like, when the eighties happened, we were depressed. Like this music was insane.

you know and then they were like but then the 90s came around and it was great and grunge and like so it's all fucking you know people are people are always gonna like some people will love what's on the radio some people will fucking hate it and you know what it'll all fucking pass you're right like it's all gonna pass like i can't i can't imagine that this you know ai thing is gonna be it'll be a phase and then it'll be not a phase and then it'll be a phase again but as long as i can be nude on a horse and or a female bodybuilder drinking wine in an Italian vineyard, I will continue to input those sentences into this software. They are amazing. I will continue to use this software. Yeah, do you actually remember any of the sentences, the keywords that you used to create these masterpieces? Well, luckily, she knows who I am because I can put in King Princess and it kind of gives me like a vague image of myself. So I... I think what I was serving was King Princess Buff in Italian Vineyard drinking multiple, wait, double fisting wine. That's what I, that's what I. I put in. Okay, is being buff a legitimate fantasy or goal of yours, or is that just something that you wanted to see? I mean, I just want to be a centaur. Oh, okay. Okay. Okay, so that's like taking buff kind of another level up, if I do say so myself. I mean, I just would prefer, like, if I had to choose, like, my creed, I would be a centaur. Okay. What would your job be in the centaur world? Probably, like, rodeo. Rodeo, yeah. Rodeo, for sure. You want to be ridden for once in your life. You don't want to do all the riding. I mean, I would be riding myself still because my legs are horse legs. Yeah, the bumper sticker on your saddle will say centaurs ride themselves or something like that. Yeah. Elevator men do it up and down kind of. Yeah, actually. Maybe three or four years ago, I was helping a water company book a party, and I actually booked you, and they had to postpone the party, and your agency still kept a kill fee, which was good for you. And I wanted to know, as you've grown in fame and status, what are some other times or other ways that you make a large sum of money in a way that feels insane to you, perhaps?

You're like, wow, I can't believe I just got paid that for that. Are you asking me what I did with the money you gave me? That's a great, yes, yes, and. It's a great way to start with that, yeah. Which organization did you donate that to? I literally, first of all, I have no recollection of that ever happening. I'm sure you don't. I'm sure you don't. Well, that's because I'm sure WMA didn't even tell you about it. You calling it WMA is funny. WME? It's WME, but I love. Look, I'm old school, baby. WMA. William Morris. kept the kill fee and didn't even tell you the show happened, I'm sure, if I know those William Morris's. No, they definitely didn't do that because my business manager is iconic. She's so legendary. You're blowing money. You're blowing money. You're really giving me blowing money vibes. Are you joking? Are you kidding me? You think I'm fucking blowing money? I'm saying, I think that blowing money means different things to different people. I think that you like to do things that are nice. It's giving backpedal, Chris. Yeah, it's giving backpedal. No, no, no. I'm saying that people might think I blow money, but I'm just living a lifestyle. I'm not buying clothes I don't need. You know what I mean? Here's what I think. I don't have a fuck ton of money. I've made a really good life because of, like you said, these opportunities that are... in in theory and morally really fucked like the fact that i can stand stand for a picture for like a day and like make more money than a whole tour that i like put my whole my whole bajussy into this tour and i make like And I make, like, I make one $1.50, and then, like, I can go and stand. We're breaking even. We're breaking even on the tour, but we're doing great with Calvin Klein. Well, that's, like, the vibes, and I think that that's, like, you know, when the first time that Quinn and I did something together like that, my girlfriend Quinn, we, like, you know, she was coming. I had already come to terms with the fact that this is not just in the world. Yeah. And she is a creative director and a director, so she is used to just, like, turning, like,

her brain on and giving 150% to create a project and then getting paid like not as much as she should. So I, you know, like she was like, babe, this is fucked. And I was like, it is fucked. But like, then it's really fun. Yeah. I mean, you have to remember that these, you know, this crazy amount of money that a brand is giving you, that's going to change your life forever. You know, they won't even think about it. They won't even notice it. It's just a fraction of a penny. Well, I'm also like, I'm pretty, I'm, I'm actually a pretty good bitch. Like I like, you know, I take care of my family. Like, you know, my, you know, I get, I, as far as not my like parents, but like my grandmother, like she was, I supported her. And like, that was a huge part of my, like wanting to make money in the first place was to like, make sure that the people around me are taken care of. And then also like the things that I like to buy. are things that like i wanted as a child that turned out to not be very expensive like a basketball hoop Or, like, you know, any video game that I want. Okay, so you're cashing a check and heading down to Kmart to get the hoop for $300. Like, that's literally, yeah. And you're satisfied. Absolutely. I think that's amazing. Like, you can make all of your dreams come true. Everything that's on your wish list is, like, $178. So I think that's a beautiful position to be in. That's kind of the realization I had with my therapist. I was like, all the shit that I want is shit that I wanted as a child. Nothing has changed. Like, I want a samurai sword. Like, that's what I want. Like, you know what I mean? Okay, okay. What color is your race car bed that you have at your house? Yeah, seriously. Luckily, I do have an adult person's bed, which is something I also bought. I was like, do you think... I can splurge on a king-sized bed, and my business manager was like, yeah. Did he give you a promo code for Casper, or did you go to the mattress store yourself? Once again, I did not get a promo code to Casper, but I did buy it full price, and it is a Casper, so fuck you. It's all good. I read you through the phone. Are you the type of person that, do you wake up and make the bed first thing in the morning, or do you let it just kind of lay all shitty? What am I, Norman Bates? No, I don't fucking make the bed.

The first thing in the morning. It's time to grow up. It's time to grow up. A lot of grusslers make the bed first thing in the morning. I'm not that type of person. My life partner is. When you roll out of bed at noon. Your life partner? Yeah, you heard me, KP. I hated that so much. We all hate it. It's a thing that he does. It's a thing that he says. I would call that gay baiting personally. Honestly, straight people who say partner, that's annoying. That's a term that we created that is annoying and it's for us. You can have that. If I say that's my chick, is that demeaning? But partner to me is either my boyfriend or a business partner. Okay, I don't know because... I say my girl, so I don't know. But I'm allowed to. I'm like my girl or my wife. So you don't think girl and chick are interchangeable? I don't think I've said my chick because I'm not a 40-year-old man. But like, yeah. I mean, I could start if it would make you more comfortable. Yeah, you're making me uncomfortable. If you could kind of change the way you speak, it would make me feel a little better personally. It's funny when I hear girls call other girls broad, like that broad. It's so funny. Look at the tits on that broad over there. That's not great. I don't think I've ever heard that, actually. I've heard that, but you can't say that. If you said that, then that just sounds weird. No, I would not say broad. Don't act like I'm not. Jesus Christ. Look, we're 40, not 50. Take it easy on this, KP. I'm not a truck driver from Staten Island. I'm a normal guy. Okay, well, I don't know that because I've truly never listened to this podcast. And thank you for doing it, by the way. We appreciate it, honestly. Of course. I love to talk to people. who have interesting opinions on how gay people should act. Our opinions are interesting. They're just right. It's two different things. I don't expect you to be interested. I don't expect you to be interested. To go back to the money making.

Whenever we have musical guests on, we like to do a thing called sync talk, where we kind of talk about a time where one of your songs was used in a sync for a commercial or a license or something like that. Any story where it went really well or it went really poorly, like you decided to say no to something that ended up being a shitload of money and you regret it, or you just made a fucking crazy bag doing a video game soundtrack or something like that that nobody even knows about? Wow, guys, you picked the wrong bitch for this podcast because I need better syncs. Really? This is a cry for help? Sync game week. This is a cry for help. I don't know. I guess it was kind of when one of my songs from Cheap Queen was on the new version of the L word. girls finger banging in a bathtub like i thought that was hot so like i thought that was a nice that's nice like a nice use of my music i mean it's you know it's almost exactly the scene where i wrote the song so it was great um so so the context it was beautiful to see but the fact that you got eight thousand dollars for it not as awesome perhaps i don't i mean i i don't know if i've ever gotten a sum of money for music that is above eight for like things that is like larger than eight thousand eight thousand is kind of where i top out no i mean i mean like you know it's it's you know for an l word plug you know it's the budgets aren't avatar 2 level so that's just what it is you know yeah i've never had a song or like a something like that in like something you know in something large except you know what i did have that was kind of cool i do love that show adventure time and i did do a song for them like an original song it was a song that they had written based on the characters that i then produced out and like made a version of And that was really fun and rewarding both emotionally and financially. We like when those two things come together, of course. That's a rare. Cartoon money is big, man. Cartoon money is big. I've definitely done some like, you know, I've almost done some like pretty cringe like songs for like an ad campaign. But they've honestly never come out because I feel like my team like.

would have me do it, and then they'd be like, no. It's absolutely fucking not. Wait until things go a little dark, then we can start saying yes to this stuff. You're still hot right now. I don't think people realize that sometimes their favorite artists are writing original songs for Volkswagen ads. I don't think people fully realize. Do you know about my favorite car brand sponsored artist? Are you going to talk about the Fall Out Boy Honda Civic Tour or something else? No, I'm talking about Jeremy Renner's music career sponsored by Jeep. Oh, yes, yes, yes. I am familiar with that. You're saying that his music career didn't exist until Jeep came and cut the check. I don't know. I assume he was making music before Jeep, but what I love about his music videos is that there's always... there's always like a jeep ad you know there's a jeep ad happening like while the music video is happening and there's one I actually learned about this through another podcast. These brilliant girls who talked about Jeremy Renner and his insane life. But this fucking... I remember this. I remember this. I remember this. That was a podcast that was just about that. Wasn't it just about that? Yes. Yeah, I remember this. It's really funny. It's really funny. So you need to listen to his music. He has one that's like a desert Burning Man theme with a Jeep. You have to watch it. Okay, so hold on. Just a quick follow-up. Now, when the music kind of style changes, does the model of Jeep also change to reflect that? That's the beauty of the Jeep line of cars, Chris. I do think there's... Yeah, they work in any situation. It's like an album. You know, when I think about Jeep, I think about a beautiful curated album by Jeremy Winner. Yeah, Jeep did not invent Jeremy Renner's career. They simply perfected it. It was like... What do you do? If you're an actor and you're like... I mean, Jeremy Renner is like... He's a huge actor. He's in fucking Marvel. He did like what he... Yeah, he's very popular. He's gotten an Oscar now. He's very popular. He's also popular with waitresses in all the tertiary markets from what I understand. But yeah, he does well for himself. I'm sure in all ways he does. But it's, you know, when you're just like bored and you have like a bajanga load of dollars and you're just like...

living in your mansion and you're like what do i want to do today i want to like make um like uh music that sounds like imagine dragons wait wait no we're talking are we talking about jared leto or jeremy renner yeah we got i just want to go back and be clear well i think that i guess that I'm saying, like, if Renner's doing a Burning Man style, then I see him in a Wrangler. You know, if he's doing something a little more country, he's probably in the Jeep Liberty or maybe a Cherokee. I'm so familiar with the Jeep brand. Don't forget about the Baby Mama Compass. It's a more entry-level offering. The Compass is when they ain't got any rental cars left. I think he's actually in a Compass in one of the videos, to be honest. I honestly think you're right. I feel like I've seen this when it was really hot. Yeah. And I do feel like maybe they were pushing. Maybe they're pushing the compass at the time. Are you asking me if I would do this? You would definitely do it. I would do this. Honestly, if I had full creative direction and could just troll them, then yeah. I think the brands are becoming more aware that the troll is more valuable than being earnest. Absolutely, they are. Have you seen the Taco Bell ads that are like, I'm doing this Taco Bell ad? People are like... famous people like yes groaning about doing yeah i don't know if it's more valuable i think people are just realizing that it's a way that a lot of other people can get into the game who are maybe uh resistant to being so earnest well i i would do a taco bell ad because i do genuinely like taco bell so i don't know well this is a big thing on this show because jason's kind of a del taco apologist and would choose that over taco bell in any situation is there something that that you particularly like from the menu? Well, I mean, it's like really a question of whether I want like my bowels to explode that night. Cause like, so it's, it's, you're using it more as a, as a bowel cleaner than diuretic. So sometimes you want to do explode. I mean, after I eat Taco Bell, I have like full dysentery. So like, I just feel like, I feel.

But I do love, like, what happens to me is very vintage. Okay. I eat Taco Bell. But I do, I prefer Taco Bell. Like, I had it the other night, and I regret it to this second. But I love it. Now, do you live in New York? I live in both now. I'm bi-coastal. Oh. Welcome to the good life. I know. That's kind of, I found myself being really depressed here in LA. with the social atmosphere and needing to like be in a city where I feel like autonomous. And that's, I mean, I grew up in New York, so I feel really good there. But I also, you know, I'm having a great time here. The minute I get here, the first thing I do is smoke weed and play video games. Okay. So you get to LA, you go into 14 year old mode and you're just happy, happy as hell. Well, yeah. I mean, I'm pretty happy right now. Like tonight I'm going to some fashion thing. I'm kind of like, I'm going to look cute. I'm going to like get my little face made up and. Got a little outfit. Jason's going to be there as well. You guys should build. I don't know if you'll be in the same area, but we'll see. I'll have to let my security guard know that there's going to be like a crazed white man running at me. Are we talking about the Celine party? Yeah. Yeah, I'll be there. I won't do anything crazy. I'm cool. But I think what she's saying, Jason, she's being dressed by Celine to appear. I don't think they're kind of not extending that courtesy to you. Not yet. I'm still waiting for the email on what time my fitting is. The clock is starting to tick pretty close, though. Okay. And I'm worrying I might have to do my own makeup. I hope you have a backup. Yeah, you might have to do your own makeup. You can borrow my makeup artist, but you have to pay her. Of course. I love to support artists. I love it. idea of jason coming over to your house and getting ready in his clothes while you get dressed in your celine but then sharing the same makeup artist and yeah jason's a real gentleman he'll pay for your hair and makeup he'll do both you know you actually i would really appreciate that if you would pay for my

I would really appreciate it if a guy I just met paid for my hair and makeup. That would be really nice. It would just be really nice. I kind of am doing you a favor right now, you know, so it just feels like, you know, maybe you could return it. You are doing us a favor 100% and this should be transactional. Send me your artist Zelle and we'll get it taken care of. I have a really funny Venmo. Because people started Venmo requesting me. So I can't tell you the name. I can tell you later. But I had to change it because I got a lot of requests. You mean people like fans were requesting that you send them $10 for a latte? Yeah, that. And also I was getting a lot of like $0.69. And I'm like, no, take that back. You can save that up and buy us some merch. You need the $0.69 more than I do, pervert. buy a fucking t-shirt yeah i guess um i've never been in a position where somebody wanted to send me money on venmo no one wants to send us money what is your what are your other la now what what else are you doing in la are you hiking are you going to beverly hills juice like what are the what's your air on which what's the gym situation how much how much air one credit do you have in your membership right now you can bring it up i'll share mine if you share your um Okay, that's a lot of questions. I do not hike. I have the lung capacity of someone with fucking tuberculosis, so I'm not hiking for fun or sport. I go to the air one on Beverly because I live in West Hollywood when I'm here. So I go to that one. I don't know how much my credit is. It's under my girlfriend's name. So I don't, she would be the one to ask, but I will find out. We're neighbors and I've never seen you. Where are you? We probably go a different street. I'm on. Oh, we're super close. Yeah, no, I felt like I live around here. I don't, I haven't been, I didn't tell my like. trainer that i was back in town because i didn't want like him to like expect me to come in you're physically hiding from your trainer i'm like oh my god i'm out of town i i just didn't you know i've i've been in a mood recently where i don't want

um to work out um but i'm sure that will change do you go do you normally go through phases like like that i'm a big like gym i guess workout person because i'm so angry that i need to get some of that aggression out of course no i understand that do you are you doing like boxing and shit or just regular weight lifting training kind of stuff uh i started so i do like like basically it's like crossfit but i do like um like circuits but i do i started doing the rings like you know those rings like in the olympics oh my god KP, we're meant for each other. I'm a big ring daddy myself. I'm a ring daddy myself. Do you do the inverted crunches? That's what I do and all that shit. Yeah, it's extremely hard. My trainer put me on to it. My trainer, Hunter, was big into that. We started during COVID because we were outside and we would just put them over a tree. Yeah. Um, and kind of get to it, but yeah, that's, it's really hard. And I'm, I, it's interesting that, that, uh, you do it. I, it's rare that I, I meet people who have, who have done it extensively. I've done boxing too. I'm, I mean, I'm, I'm like, you know, I grew up playing like every fucking sport. So like, I need some sort of sport in my life to like feel okay. And this is a good one. Cause it's like objective based. Like, you know, it's, I hate like treadmill. Like I'm not going to go on a fucking treadmill. It's stupid, you know? I don't like that. I hate like spinning. I'm like, where am I going? I'm not going anywhere. You're literally spinning. You're literally spinning. We're not going anywhere. I'm like on a stationary fucking bike. Like, no, girl, absolutely not. So I need something that I'm like, I can get better at. But I also started fucking before I left for tour, I started doing like lifting, like heavy ass fucking weights. Like, you know what I'm talking about? Like the weightlifting energy. Yeah. Like deadlifting, I guess it's called. And I got up to like my, I got up to it like 20 pounds over my body weight. So I was like good at that. So I should do it again. I'm not surprised. I see you going through a weightlifting phase. Like I see you getting good at that because it's very gratifying if you like to progress. Well, I like to be strong. Like it's so clear when you're getting better. I like to be strong. Like I want to know that like if need be, like I could just maul someone.

Okay, so you mentioned that you do exercise because you're so angry and you said you want to be able to maul someone. I'm seeing a ferocious trend here, which seems odd for you. You seem like such a nice, sweet, happy person. I think I'm both. I think I'm like, you know, I love the comedy. I love the gag. I love the sensitivity. But I also, at the end of the day, like... need to know that like my body is is a weapon okay okay this is okay so let's say dream scenario you're you're face to face with a number one hater somebody that hates you you hate them more than anything how do you want to kill them what method um like shred in half shred in half like with bare hands from the skull okay i watched this movie last night i watched this movie last night that's what you guys have From the skull down, just rip it half. No, I literally... Tor. I need to tell you about this movie, because you need to watch this. We watched this fucking... So there's this movie called... What is it called? Terrifier? Okay, it's called Terrifier. It was like a shitty, like, B-horror movie that came out, and the clown in it is named Arch the Clown, and he is... the he is the gag like he is iconic and the movie got such like people loved it so much they made a second one and it's like higher budget and this fucking clown is just killing the girls like he is just running there's like no plot he's just running around town absolutely murking the girls you need to watch it it's amazing i'm not really a who so it's a full murk fest who is in this No one. Is there anybody that we know? Absolutely not. No, no, no. Except for you'll know Art when it's done because he's iconic. You'll never forget Art after this performance. No, he is... Art? Like Archie? No, Art. A-R-T. Oh, Art. Art. The way that this clown thinks of killing people is so... Inventive stuff. His mind. His mind is so powerful.

You would need to, it's just like the gag of it. Okay, so is that where you got the ripping someone's skin off starting at the skull down? Was that stolen from art? That was an art. That was an art original. Right, okay. Ripped from the pages of his playbook. I'm not surprised. I know. Okay, so you were taking notes from art. And is this something, does this feel like a rewatch for you to learn more? Or did you get everything you needed from it? No, last night, like, I was like, I want to watch because I love horror. Like, I just want to be terror. I want to be literally horrified. Like, that's how I want to watch something that makes me, like, makes me ill. Like, because I just don't get scared of shit anymore. I feel like I'm so desensitized to horror movies that I'm like. And they're like my favorite type of movie. So I'm like, I just need something that's fucking abysmal. You know what I mean? Right. You got to push it one step further. You need to find the gnarliest shit. Well, hopefully, I mean, don't go too far down that road. Yeah. Why? You might not be happy. I mean, you know, because it just goes, you know, you're going to be like. I don't want it to be like actors dying. I need it to be real people. You know what I mean? What the fuck is wrong with you? What is wrong with you people? Have you heard of Faces of Death 8mm? What's wrong with you? Okay, I actually don't think I'm like a psychopath. I think I'm just an icon who loves horror movies. And I love... Like, so I don't think you need to be worried for me. I'm more worried for you. You're more of the key demographic who would go do some crazy shit. Oh, don't, don't make this. Do not, do not make this about my fellow men that murder people. Okay. Anybody can be a murderer. All I'm saying is you are in the, you are in the key 40 years old. Have you been angry at the world lately? Like, are you, do you go on Reddit? No, actually I don't actually read it as blocked on my phone. Thank you. But a lot of. But many, many, many 40-year-old straight whites are angry and on Reddit and liable to do something crazy. I'm just over here smoking ganja. Are you guys married? Smoking ganja. You have a life partner, right? Yeah, we're in relationships, yes. Not that that means that I'm not going to kill someone, but it helps, I guess, right? Are these real women or are they real dolls? They are dolls and they are real women. Okay, so they're not silicone sex dolls? No, no, no.

I can't speak for Jason. Are we giving that much incel? I don't know. I think your problem is you think all regular white guys are incels. And I would have to say you're not wrong most of the time. I don't think that's true because I work with predominantly white men and they get put. Yeah, we know Mark Ronson's a stick man. Everybody knows that. He's stunning. Yeah, of course. I think it's a little easier for him than some of us. You know what I'm saying? For sure. So you're saying you're surrounded by straight white men that are cool and have sex. but you're not getting that from us. Well, I just don't know you, and so far I feel like you've accosted me about my love for horror, so I'm just turning it back on you and just wondering if you've had any violent thoughts lately. Okay, so me making fun of a known nerd genre of movies turns into me being a killer myself. I don't think the crime fits the punishment. That's what I'm saying. I don't know. It doesn't feel fair. All I'm saying is an amazing plot. to a horror movie is two begrudging 40-year-old white podcasters who are angry at the world and go on a revenge tear around Los Angeles. That sounds amazing. Honestly, I know there's a lot of members of the A24 staff listening to this podcast. It feels like we can get this thing up and running in under 24 months. I'll have my AI machine write this shit this afternoon. You need the AI to write it, yeah. KP, Speaking of guys who have sex with girls, you tweeted recently, I think Maddie Healy and I would have much to talk about. He was on our podcast a couple months ago, and he was a very special guest. What do you think you guys would have to talk about? Well, don't you think it's a similar energy? I don't know. I just keep seeing this cool all over my TikTok. So basically, my assistant is an ex-1975 fan girl. Which is iconic because she's not a fan girl anymore. She's an adult woman. Regular fan. What I love about that is that she's not a fan of mine which is perfect because I cannot have people validating me around me. That's very cool. Your shit's alright boss. I need that energy. I can't have someone who's like oh my god it's amazing and it's like a piece of shit. You know what I mean?

She was like, you remind me of him a little bit. Have you seen interviews with him? I was like, what is the 1975? Who is this man? I didn't know anything was about this man or this music. I've been hearing the name for years, but I just don't listen to fucking music. I got shown a video of him performing. I was like, oh, he's a great performer. And then he just is inundated on TikTok with, like, all these videos of him. And I'm like, oh, he's a shit fuck. Like, I'm a shit fuck. Do you want us? Do you want to? Have you tried to set this up? We can set you guys up if you want. I'm sure there's many people in your life who could put this together for you. Because I do see it. I'm letting it play out. Like, I just think that, like, people who are shit fucks, like, you know, have a lot to talk about. You guys will find each other. God will intervene at some point. Well, yeah. And I think that. It's interesting because I very rarely see people doing interviews and in the musical department doing interviews where I'm like, oh, I actually enjoy hearing that person talk. No, he's a master. People are rarely honest and not... you know, just giving 1000% media training during interviews. So it's nice to hear somebody speaking their mind, saying opinions that might not be agreeable with everyone. Well, yeah, I mean, I know it's not that I have, I don't think I have opinions that aren't agreeable. I just think that I'm a piece of shit. And like, I love to like. cause trouble. I would agree. Yeah, I would agree so far. Yeah, so far that's the vibe, right? You are a little stinker, I will say. Yeah, you're a little stinker. You're a little stinker. Are you done with, are you playing any more shows or are you done and just smoking for the rest of the year? Well, you know, it's Mariah Carey time, so everybody stops doing art for the next couple weeks. Once again, your Christmas is ruined by Mariah Carey, and you're not making any money until after January 1st. Yeah, so basically that's what I'm doing. I'm going to just not make money for the next couple weeks. And, yeah, I mean, I'm just writing, and I'm not playing shows until...

I have this festival in Aspen in January or February. I don't know. I'm going to Australia, which I'm excited about because I love Australia. Dirty pirates. You like Australia. You're the first person I've ever heard say that. Why wouldn't I like a place where everyone's drunk? When you put it that way... That is a very good point. So you've played in Australia a bunch then? I have played, and I mean, I went to Australia, like, right after 1950 was released, and then I went again during the Cheap Queen era, and then I, you know, have done a couple, like, you know, I did, like, Triple J stuff, and they're always just like, they really like me, and I like them, and they're gay as hell. Yeah, whenever I see footage of, like, Australian festivals versus, like, American festivals, you could be a band that's playing at, like... 1 15 p.m you know broad daylight and the crowd is acting like it's midnight and they're watching cold play they're just like losing their shit literally and that's what i like they're music fans and i think it starts with like they have a good public radio system like their their pop radio is like a lot of their shit is chosen by fans so like and it's you can vote on shit so it's not like fucking our radio where you you know you're inundated with the same four fucking songs for like a month and then they change well i like i i love payola personally and i'm kind of sad to see it go but i guess it does fan chosen does create a better overall listening experience i mean yeah i don't know i mean i i listen to a lot of like npr so like and not by choice my girlfriend just likes that shit so i listen to it damn you sound like every dude i've ever known Yeah, my girlfriend listens to that shit, but I mean, I don't know. She puts it on the Volvo. We just rock. I like when they, no, I love when they do like, it's like, here's the story of Karen Ziegler and the lost beat tapes of 1984. It's like, and I'm like, why am I so intrigued by the story? Like nothing has happened. I love it. All it takes is like a music bed and just an intellectual person who lives in Gowanus to be like, and here's what happened next. And you're like, I fucking, I'm on the edge of my fucking seat. No, I'm like,

I'm literally ready. Tell me. It's amazing production. They keep you hooked. I know, but I'm, you know, I'm just, I'm, I'm chilling. I'm going to spend the holidays with my mom and my, and my girl and my dogs. I have two dogs. Do they get along? Do they get along? They're literally the same person. It's horrifying. Oh, so you're, you're dating your mom. Literally. It's fucking horrifying. They love to, they both love to like interior design and like. organized things two things that i cannot stand it seems like that benefits you though that benefits you which is always nice oh it definitely benefits me but it just also makes me feel inadequate no as long as you keep bringing home that bacon everything's gonna be just fine kp yeah you're the you're the earner you know does your mom be smoking the loud too or no my mom is 35 years sober from everything wow congrats mom i know mommy's legend so she's glowing great mommy is like a hot six-year-old lady she's iconic Are they still married or is she single and looking to mingle? You may not fuck my mom. Thank you. I wasn't implying that at all. I just was wondering what her relationship status was. My dad and my mom are divorced. My dad has been married since I was five, six to this lady who is my stepmom. that was a weird well put well put yeah thank you really eloquent i don't know how do you what do you how do you like it's hard because it's like you know she's i've got a stepmom and then i have a stepdad named jeff who like you know my mom has been with him for a long time too and my mom lives in fucking hawaii okay with with ham and they just like you know she loves to ride horses and just like have long hair. She does yoga, eats acai bowls and is having a wonderful life. No, my mom does not do yoga. She does not work out except for horseback riding. I don't think she knows what an acai bowl is. She's eating potato salad and watching Laguna Beach. How much stand-up paddle boarding does Jeff do? Or does he have other hobbies? Jeff is not into stand-up paddle boarding. Jeff is into driving around his property in those

kawasaki like mini trucks and like looking at trees that's what he likes looking at trees tending to his crops so he grows weed i get it it's all good i wish he grew weed my my my girl's dad grows weed though that's nice to have in the family so i i am supplied yeah maybe um maybe the next step in your career as we're retiring you can you can kind of go willie nelson and have your own line of cannabis what do you think i just don't know if i'm good enough with plants to like i feel like my weed would be like reminiscent of the weed i smoked as a kid in new york it would just be like brown no i think you could just like you could just license your name and be involved in the creative yeah you just put your name on it you get some fucking some crazy exotic cookies type shit and put your name on it well my girl does pottery so i was like you should do like gorgeous weed ceramics like you should start getting into that but i you know again i'm not so much of a craftsman that's not really my judge i'm more of like you know Making songs. That's not true. We've heard you with the Stratocaster. You're a craftsman. Okay, first of all, I do not play a Stratocaster. Telly? I do not play a Strat, but I do not like that guitar. Okay, I'm sorry you have a Gibson SG. I'm surprised by that. Okay, wait, I'm sorry. So you knew I had an SG, but then you said Strat? No, I think that was a lucky guess. That was a lucky guess. If you don't play a Fender, you play an SG, I guess. Yeah. You play a Tele, too, right? I mean, I play a Firebird, too, so suck my balls. Okay. Okay. God damn it. I didn't... I'm embarrassed. KP will play anything but a Strat is what I'm learning. What am I like? Fucking Eric Clapton? No. Don't come for Eric Clapton. Fucking idiot. I know he's got some bad political views, but he's a pretty good guitar player. Not my fave. Who's your favorite guitar player? I like Jimmy Page, obviously. Okay. I like Brian May because I feel like that, as far as pop guitar, Brian May is like the shit. Absolutely.

yeah i liked and i love jack white okay all right well uh you know i'll let you have that one so people can get pissy about that what's the problem i was like a huge jack white fan no jack white is a fucking shredder he's just kind of turned into a lame as he's gotten older well then i don't like the new the new the new record is not my fave but i love like his first two solo records after his like band projects were dope like with um what's that fucking song called lazaretto is fucking sick people i i liked when he went on tour and had the two bands that was very cool yes i saw that at radio city that was crazy yeah that was very cool But yeah, we're just not, I mean, I just don't. He seems like he's lost the plot as he's gotten older and his hair has gotten, no man should dye their hair blue. It happens to everyone. I mean, Billy Corgan, everyone gets a little wonky once they get a little older. It's all good. Billy Corgan wears like flat brim snapbacks and talks about cats and like wrestling. It's really tough to watch. And Trump. Is he a Trump guy? Yeah, yeah. I think he's Repub. I think he's fiscally conservative. He's rich. I mean, he's figuring it out. What do you mean he's figuring it out? He's a grown-up man. He's not figuring it out. Yeah, but you know how it is. When you're a rock star. We're in an ever-changing world. When you're a rock star, you stop maturing. I don't know how it is. You stop maturing. Let me tell you how it is. Okay. Once you get famous or some sort of recognition, you stop maturing. So Billy Corgan is like 22, but he's actually [redacted address] because of all the social currency you have as a podcaster? Exactly. I stopped maturing, I guess, last year. So I'm going to be 39 until I'm much older. Okay, I agreed with you until I did stop maturing. I feel like the minute 1950 came out and I became like a demon diva baby.

You know what? I turned it around. I'm a rarity. I feel like I actually became a better person because I was actively an awful person, and people were really not into it. Yeah, people usually aren't into that, so I'm glad that you kind of learned your lesson. Yeah, I see you as not being a stagnant person who stopped growing at 22. I think you're just getting started. What I think is that when you are a famous person, you have to actively fight the urge to be sinister every day. And if you don't, you will be sinister. Like you have to literally, because the tendency is there. Why can't I have this? Why is it? Like that is there every day. But if you don't fight it, you will let it win. And if you fight it, then there's a self-awareness that is probably, I mean, a more painful life to live because. Sometimes I wish I could just be evil and not self-aware, but, you know. You have the privilege of having this little demon on your shoulder now. Well, yeah, she's there. You got to fight her every day. She's like, you should be in this ad. And I'm like, okay, well, I'm high right now, so go away. Damn. Demon talk. Amen. All right. Well, KP, thank you so much for taking the time to chat with us. We really appreciate it. We're both really big fans. If you're listening to this in Australia, make sure you buy tickets for her show next month. Yeah, exactly. We have a lot of Australian listeners. I don't know what you look like, so you should come say hi to me tonight if you're at this thing. I'll come say hi to you. I'll be very tall. And you can meet my real doll girlfriend as well. Are you going to wheel her in? He had to get her clean today, so it'll be nice. He's a power washer. For Celine, I get her detailed. Okay. I spent $300 on the detailing for tonight. It's not cheap, but I can write it off. Okay, it's a tax break. Right, okay. Yeah, yeah. All right, well, thank you. Thank you. We appreciate it. All right. I'll see you tonight. We appreciate it. Thanks, y'all. Bye.

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