791. - Lynette Nylander

All right, this episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by Stateside with Kai and Carter, a new podcast from The Guardian. And they are using this podcast to slow down the news and wrestle with the questions that we all have about what's happening in the world. And they do it three times a week, Jason. Does that sound familiar to you? We don't really talk about, you know, a lot of international global news items and climates and cultures and sports and things like that. We do talk about fashion and wellness, but for everything else, Kai and Carter are a great place. All right, so who couldn't use more news? Listen wherever you get your podcast. or watch on YouTube. How Long Gone is here is Overcast Tuesday. I'm actually at the Greenwich Hotel. I'm recording this podcast in a suite before I take some pictures of someone, and they were kind enough to let me use the hair and makeup bedroom as a recording facility, which is quite nice. I like that you included that it is a suite and not a room, Chris. Very cool, very important. Well, I mean, I want it to be specific. You know, I love to kind of drill down on details. Yeah, I mean, it's important now that you're a professional author and writer. You know, those little tidbits are kind of what separate you from the regular writers, right? These haters can't even touch my tidbits. That's a known fact. Get your hands off my tidbits. God damn it. Yeah, it's cold and rainy and overcast here as well. May Gray is... in full effect but i think in a couple days we'll be back we're finally gonna have summer in time for just like heaven festival this weekend may 10th that's that's all just like heaven music festival may 10th tickets still available guest loss guest list for me not so much i'm looking forward to it it's gonna be it's gonna be a bummer since carolyn's out of town uh you know i'm not gonna be able to share those magical memories with her but i'll be able to leave whenever i want

So I think it cancels each other out, right? Things are looking up. Yeah, leaving whenever you want is the key. I don't need to see every Death Cab song. You know what I mean? Leaving whenever you want is really, like, that's one of the main priorities of my life in general, I think. So I recognize where you're coming from. An exquisite feeling. Exquisite. I had the longest day of my life yesterday. And I live to tell, well, I just, I woke up at 4 a.m. to leave Miami. From F1 to Met Gala. Yeah, real glam, let me tell you. That is glam. I mean, literally, I don't know if it gets more glam than that, right? Those are two elite. Well, there's levels to this, you know what I mean? And I was in, as usual, a mid-tier level where I planned to die. But the flight got delayed because of weather, so we circled for a while. And then they made that dreaded announcement that we have to land at Dulles to get gas. which to me meant like, I'm stuck here. Like there's no way I'm leaving DC. This is, we're fucked. And then miraculously it did. We did fill up. We did get back to LaGuardia and it only, you know, it only delayed me five hours, but you know, we made it home. We're able to shower. Um, you know, we hit Odeon for dinner. Beautiful. Tough res on Met Gala Monday. It didn't actually seem. It was an interesting crowd anyway. I actually have no idea. I've only been there once and never on Met Gala Monday. It just seems like a place where one would go. It's actually a restaurant that's always busy, kind of. It's just every night at 8 o'clock, there's not going to be a table, which is envious. But yeah, and then we went to the GQ thing at the 22. I like that place. I like it a lot, actually. And I like the way it looks. I like the way it feels. It feels expensive. It feels nice. The finishes are good. You know what I mean? I know exactly what you mean. Okay, and this was the GQ post-Met Gala party hosted by Three Stacks and some other people, right? Three Stacks, piano on his back. Yeah, it was Three Stacks. Will, of course, Sam was there. Sam was wearing a really great Saint Laurent-like tuxedo, but he looked like he was going to direct the...

la philharmonic in a cool way you know what i'm saying like it look it was it was dramatic in a way that only sam could pull up okay conductor sam but then we we uh rostam was with us and and rostam was like let's go to uh Let's go to People's. Jeremy O'Harris is having a party there. And I'm like, it's one o'clock. You know what I'm saying? And I'm like, I don't, I'm not. You woke up at four. You've been up for almost 24 hours. It's a Monday. You don't do drugs. The list goes on. The list truly is lengthy. It's a scroll at this point. But Alex is obviously turnt up. She's loving it. So I'm like, all right, fuck it. Let's go. So we walk over there. And it is. it was a great party. One of the better parties I've been to in a very long time. Congratulations. So it was, I'm glad that I, I'm glad that I went and I wanted to highlight one thing that happened just to get your kind of take on it. Um, I, I walked into the back room and it was, it was like Addison Rae, Charlie and Julia Fox swing. And exactly. And Charlie introduces me to Julia Fox. I've actually never met before. And Julia, Julia Fox says to me, you look like a detective. Cause I was wearing a, tie and a blazer and then she and then i was like oh that's kind of what i'm going for and then pop chris was happy to hear that and then i realized that she meant it positively it was non-derogatory which was i was glad that that was the case so she specified detective you said yeah i said undercover and she said detective which i get because of the tie that does feel a little more elevated as far as what my job would be a tie and blazer isn't that what everyone was wearing last night no no not at all no no not like me not like me i do it different and i'm not saying i do it different better so you were the one motherfucker who wasn't wearing a steampunk outfit so everyone was like Who's this normal guy? Are you on the case, Gumshoe? Luckily, everybody changes before the after party, but Lorde was there as well. Saw her before we left. I really liked her. We won't get into this with our guests, but I really liked Lorde's Tom Brown. I thought it was very cool. Everyone says every person should have their little black dress. Lorde has her little gray box.

Or maybe their little gray box. Gender is so shifting right now. I swear to God, if I look at gender one more time and it moves, I'm going to be out of my mind. I swear to God. Did you see something? I could have sworn I just saw gender shift in the background. I swear to God. My gender paralysis demon has woken me up again. I swear to God. But yeah, it was in that place. I hadn't been to Peoples yet, but it's... We've got to go when you come back. I really liked it. It's like a townhouse. It feels like you're in it. It's really well done. I was super impressed. Okay. What was so good about this party other than the guest list? Music, drugs, food? What's going on? Just the vibe was, actually, I saw our Ion Pack La Familia was there. What I love about those guys is they're wearing their ties. They got their leather jackets on. They're the only people eating hamburgers and french fries that are being served. They're at the table like, oh, Chris, what's good? Let me finish my burger. Like, damn, free grub? This rocks. And everyone else is like, I would never eat food in public. Are you kidding me? I think that people were, you know what it is? I think that there are some parties in situations like this that are too big. you know what i mean and certain people feel like they can't really let their hair down but like of course this kind of thing it's like jeremy allen white's like smoking a cig inside and all is right with the world was kind of was kind of the vibe with it but yeah it was really like like the like the vanity fair parties of yore exactly where it's like you everyone is a friend in here there's no pr there's no managers publicists blah blah blah it's just yeah it felt like a bunch of famous people hanging out and having fun and actually hanging out together yeah that is really what it felt like versus um delivering deliverables and kpis and things like that there's not a war room in the back where they're editing photos on the fly you know what i mean right which which i know that you love and i also kind of love whenever whenever i'm in a place that has the war room going on it makes you feel like yeah i love it i love a war room my so my friend introduced me to a guy and he's like this guy's a legend and i'm like okay and i meet this guy i'm not going to give away any details but but i meet this guy and then afterwards

My friend tells me that guy slept with four of the Kardashians. And I was like, what do you mean? He's like, what do you mean? What do I mean? He slept with four of them. Okay, so we got Courtney, Kim, Khloe, Kendall, and Kylie. So there's five, and he's done four. Four or five. I'm going to say that Kendall's probably the odd woman out in this case, based on context clues. So he's a black guy. Got it. Yeah. So I was just like, wow, that's some of the coolest information I've ever heard. You know what I mean? And I had to act cool. I was in a party, but I was like, well, I'm in the presence of one of the greatest stick men of all time in the Calabasas area. You know, he's like, no one's got a better rate because Drake moved out, you know, Kanye moved out. So now this guy's kind of number one for the zip code. Well, I mean, but also we're not considering Rob. Do you think this person could go both ways? Oh, that's a good... Actually, yes. Good point. No, good point. He could have just said Kardashians, you know what I mean? That's also true. That's also true. It was... The language was specific and chosen for a reason. I agree with that. I agree with that. He actually took Robert down, too. He's a little bit of an older guy. Rest in peace. Damn, that is cool. Good for him, and I'm jealous of that. Last night I had a little bit more of a chill night here in California where they did not have the Met Ball, but I went over to Gigi's, had a little mini seafood tower and a skinny Marg with good old Al Wilmont. It's their last week of being open in L.A., so everyone should go over there and grab a martini and some French fries and smoke some cigs outside. Send them off. RIP, one of my favorites. I think I had my 40th birthday party there, which was great. Now we've had some How Long Gone After parties there. It's going to be missed, but I imagine Al's got plans. We'll find out a new watering hole soon. Yeah, I might go over there after, just like heaven. The festival over there, because of where it's located in the Pasadena neighborhood, it has to be done by 10 or 11. That's just when the club is getting started.

That is just when the club getting started. So did you have some Korean barbecue? Got some Korean barbecue as well with Gelb, who was on the pod last week, and Sam Lerner and Rob Fishman. It was just me and three powerful Jewish guys enjoying Korean barbecue on Cinco de Mayo. It's as multicultural and ethnic as you can get. They all sort of assumed that I was Jewish as well, or at least I'm an honorary one. you felt that i don't know if that's based off of my i was like is this is it a schnoz thing and they said no it's more of like the uh the dry sense of humor you know that kind of and also you know supreme intelligence level and things like you know just like the mini of course of course minute details of course yeah yeah i get that but it was good how do your clothes smell or did you already throw them in the wash well that's the thing this place has These tube fans, they kind of look like periscopes on a submarine, but you can move them up and down. It's basically just like a high-powered fan that sucks all the meat air and smoke and stuff. Every Korean barbecue place will have ventilations and fans and stuff to try and keep the air fresh and clean, but it can only do so much when a restaurant is full of people. flipping those intestines and uh and short ribs around but you're able to put it like literally like two inches above the grill and it just dysons all that smoke straight up in there that's really cool that's now do you think this is an innovation on their part do you think this is a product they were able to purchase and install I think this technology has been around for a long time, especially in Korea, and I think it's just continuing to innovate and improve over time. It's in a place right now where, yeah, I don't smell. I did not smell like bulgogi at all.

That's great, because if I do that, I've got to leave my jacket in the car. I might go in shirtless, you know what I mean, just to be safe if I have something to do after. Put on your barbecue wetsuit, maybe. Yeah, they should provide, like, the way if you go to, like, a country club and you don't have a blazer, they give you one that kind of is ill-fitting. They should have a version of that for Korean barbecue. I was hoping for more of, like, the little Birkin poncho or something that they can put over you. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, when we were at... We went to a Walrus rodeo on, on Sunday night in Miami and it was delicious, but they brought over a little, um, for Erica, for Erica's bag. It was like a hook that just slides onto the table to hold the bag off the floor. And I had never, I hadn't seen the slide on before. It was very nice. I mean, I'm sure she had a very cute bag and it needed to be protected from it. It was actually, it was, it was a classic Kate Spade, which is really, it's nice to see that make a comeback. Spade's coming back, I've noticed, huh? Kate's back. I mean, it's been back for a while, but this particular bag was like the one, she had like the small one, but it was like kind of a nylon material. You know, you would know it if you saw it. I know. And just like every other bag, just because the brand is hot, not every single, you know, you have to get the right. Kate Spade bag or the right whatever bag. You can't just buy any. You can't just get whatever. You know that, Jason. You're a smart guy. I've seen a lot of ugly Mew Mew. Trust me. That's actually me saying. Deadass saying. I see it mostly when I go to the outlets by Palm Springs, go hit Prada and Mew Mew and all that stuff. Obviously, Prada is a clothing company that has very tasteful amazing pieces throughout the decades thousands of different amazing garments that i would love to wear none of those are there just as just as many they're like oh i actually this sweater i actually kind of like it's only uh 1700 but everything else like you couldn't try like even if you were trying to make the ugliest thing in the world yeah you couldn't touch what was going on here and every time that's i used to i used to not

like going to the outlets that much and carolyn likes going as well obviously but i would i would just kind of do the uh sit on the boyfriend couch and play candy crush or whatever but now i really get pleasure scrolling through those racks especially the sale racks deep discount ones where I feel like this is the one-of-one sample. Nobody else has it because it is that awful and ugly. I come close to buying sometimes. That's the problem. The only time I ever want to buy high-end luxury is when it's so ugly it's a joke. I almost bought a Laura Piana t-shirt a while ago because it had their logo written in graffiti. $700. Dude, that's really good. And Carolyn was like, you can't do it. And I was like, oh, I want it. That reminded me of when I bought you the Supreme Kurt Cobain shirt and you really pulled that one off. I was talking about that on Sunday night, actually. I wore it under a suit. Looked great. Not a lot of people pull it off. Now it's a gym shirt. Who knows? Yeah, you could cut the sleeves off that bad boy. Really fit in. Actually, I was talking to a friend of the show, Luke. O.G. Luke. The goat. The goat reseller. God. And he posted. uh it was a mad happy like it was you know it kind of was like a little like track zip jacket like a you know like the adidas jacket with the stripes on this you know something kind of light and sporty and it just had a butterfly embroidered on the chest hit and then just a simple mad happy logo and he was like posted it like do i do it and i want i was like this is this seems like something that i would want to buy and wear as a joke I think Mad Happy is a step too far, but Luke is one of my favorite people to follow on Instagram because he really do be posting crazy stuff. Like stuff that I just am like, wow, I did not know that existed. But I also saw today that a place in Atlanta is going viral for letting people set up payment plans for Crumhart's jeans. So, you know, that's good for Luke. You know what I mean? Business is good. Of course.

Of course. Business is good, but if you've got to Klarna the Chromeheart patch jeans, I think maybe you've got to rethink some things. We've got to look at your life, brother. We've got to take a hard look in the mirror. Okay, so today's Tuesday. I don't know. I think Diplo's tweet gave me COVID, I think. I mean, that wouldn't surprise me, depending on how close you were. I know that you like to talk in the club, so I'm feeling a little. I'm not feeling great either. I've got a little. I think some allergy stuff. I also just think that, like, I need a full night's sleep, and I'll be back. I'll be back. I need a drip. You know what I'm saying? Get an IV, bro. Treat yourself. That shit works. I need an NAD shot and a drip. Get natted up. I think I need to nad. I think my nad time is here. Yeah, definitely. I mean, you have the plug. Get the nad. Start shooting. How much do you think it's going to cost me? They shoot in probably not that much. It's honestly, all that stuff is like, I mean, it's not cheap, obviously, but it's an investment in your future. What's my monthly going to be? $200, $300. Okay. Is my guess. Maybe $500 total. Maybe. If it's like, you know, uncut. If it's the pink NAD, it might be $500. But the regular, regular grade, I bet you can get it for a little less. I think this is high. My plug is high level. Well, you're also getting it from a, yeah, you're getting it from a drug dealer. So hopefully the price is a little lower because they don't have, you know, a big overhead. They're not paying for a space. They don't have security guards, et cetera, et cetera. Actually, speaking of drug dealers with security guards, when we were in Koreatown last night, there was a weed store that had just opened up, and it was in the theme of Bored Apes. And the store, the sign on the store, it just says the word weed. Kind of cool. It is kind of cool. I mean, where do we go from? I mean, I guess it kind of reminds me of when you watch movies nowadays and the title has to tell you what the film is about. Like, if this is a movie about a guy shooting people, it has to be called, like, Gun or Shooter. Murder Man. Yeah, sure. And, like, every television show that our parents watch on CBS and everything, it's just called, like, Hospital.

Lawyer, fire, police. That's actually true. I don't know how much. And then the cannabis dispensary is called weed. I don't know if we can distill and dumb things down anymore. I mean, I guess just like pictures. Is that the last frontier? Yeah, I think we got to go nonverbal. I think we got to go just keeping eyes on it. Just keeping the eyes on it. Well, I'm not married to letters. It could alienate so far. How many do I need? Yeah, I don't want to offend any of our listeners with letters. We have a guest today. Our friend Lynette. Whoa. We're going to do an intro real quick. Just hold up for one second. Yeah, our guest today is a friend, Lynette Nylander. She's the executive digital director at Harper's Bazaar. She also co-hosts their podcast called The Goodbye, but I thought she was the perfect person to bring in for some Met Gala recap. She's an expert, and she's also British, which always works well for us. This episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by Squarespace. Obviously, Jason, you and I spend a lot of time on the World Wide Web. So do all our peers, our listeners, our friends, our colleagues, maybe even your parents if they're freaky. And if you're doing anything in the world, writing, taking pictures. I do topless boxing. You need a website. Exactly. A website that works, that does what it's supposed to do, that allows you to be creative but also business-minded. Jason, there's one place to go for that, Squarespace. Yeah, Chris, I'm over here. I'm modifying calculators and putting Claude inside of them so you could cheat at school. And I just want a place where I could, you know, have everything all in one place. I can have the SEO tools so those future graduates can find me. And, you know, I'm able to accept, quote, unquote, donations for my services that might be gray area. You know what I mean? And then email campaigns. Hey, I got a new 2.3 version upgrade. Boom, boom, boom. Get the analytics going. Raise some money. Show your investor all of your cool analytics of what's going on. They're going to want to get in early. And we can use Blueprint AI to make your website look as professional as your competition, if not more.

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They're not afraid to say what they want to say, brother. Yeah, Rupert ain't sniffing around in what journalists Kai Wright and Carter Sherman are up to over there at Stateside. But yeah, listen wherever you get your podcasts. You can watch it on YouTube. It's three times a week. And who couldn't use more news? Especially when it's not from here, let's say. Give it a listen. Give it a listen. How are you? Hi, Jason. I'm good. How are you? I'm a little under the weather, but we're going to push through. Is that from Met Gala potty hopping? No. I live in Los Angeles. Oh, well, that'll do it. Just straight away? Well, you know, yeah, that's what makes you sick. No, I'm joking. I mean, you could have gone a Delta One over to enjoy the festivities. You know, I almost did. I got, yeah, I got, because my wife is a stylist and she went to Australia for a job. And I was home alone for like a week. And I was like, maybe I'll just bop over to New York and have fun with my good friend Chris, do a podcast or two. And then when I saw how much it costs to fly to New York during Met Gala week, as well as a hotel, you know, I could have bought a... Two horses for that amount of money. No, I hate it. That Delta one is... And I don't need another one. That Delta one is savage. Chris knows. Million miler. Yeah, but I know... Lynette, I know you like to kick your legs up, though. You're not... Listen, I'm loyal to that medallion status, that diamond status. Call me 360, Delta. That's what I'm looking for. I need to get up there. Is it true... Lynette, is it true that the only reason you're doing this show is to get closer to 360? We're sort of... Absolutely. The fast track for a lot of our guests to get that. Absolutely. There's no shame in my game. If that's what gets me, have you seen the new Delta One Lounge with JFK? Of course, of course. I'm a fan, you know. And while she works her way up to a BJ, she does a little pit stop at 360, which I really enjoy. Delta team, you know, I've never wavered. I don't do United. We do JetBlue when we need to.

but i'm surprised you're not like a british yeah i'm with the big d too i didn't know you um i didn't know you i i kind of thought you might have been a british airways chick you know at some point british airways this is actually like a known fact about me with friends that i am that i'm close to british airways product is a national disservice it's so rinky crinky it's so the food is awful for them to say that's our national airline is a it's honestly a point of contention for me as a british person it's embarrassing um and the thing that really takes delt out of the edge is that virgin atlantic upper class i always call it the world's slaggiest airline slaggy is a very british term but it just means like A little bit saucy, a little bit fun. They're a little bit cheap and cheerful and cheeky. Like all the air hostesses when you fight to one, you're like, you're right, babe. Welcome to Virgin at Lent. Yeah, no, I love that Delta partner for the Virgin. And you want another glass of shit, they'll pour your wine glass a little bit more and give you a cheeky little wink. That's for you, babe. It's just correct, just for you, babes. It's the Jenna Collins of air hostesses. I'll be like, oh, I'm not sitting in first. Can I use the bathroom over there? And she'll be like, Don't tell anyone I let you in here. Would you like a little bump as well while I set you up with the line, babes? Yeah, it's the Charlie XCX of airlines. Air of airlines? Yeah, I like that too. I feel like some of those people are having too much fun at work, you know? But I'm not going to marsh their mellow. No, no, no, no. Sure, Delta, call me. First of all, what did you do last night? Because I didn't see you and I thought I would. Oh, Chris, I don't even know if I want this, like, broadcast. Too late for that, sis. I worked until near 2 a.m., and I went home. Were you in a Harper's Bazaar war room? I was in a makeshift Harper's Bazaar war room, yes. There was a couple of us. We had champagne, we had a little sushi, and we just thugged it out. And by the time it was, I had a list.

I had a game plan of all the things I was going to try and hit, and it just all failed. In fact, I mean, this is really boring and techie, but weirdly, my iCloud malfunctioned, and I couldn't get iMessages for like two, three hours. And if I can't get, you know, if that's not happening, then I'm missing everyone. No one has any loyalty. On Monday, after parties, they are like hitting their circuit. I just couldn't intersect. And then over the Queensborough Bridge, because I live in Brooklyn, it started working again. And everyone was at WSA at the same time. And I was like, I couldn't turn around. I've got my outfit in my bag. But then, you know what? It's fine. I know deep in my soul. I was mixed. Yeah, of course. Chris felt it when he was making the rounds last night. I was literally like, where is she? She's coming on How Long Gone Tomorrow. I'm sure she's here somewhere. There's a lot of people that he was actually hoping to introduce you to, Lynette. Yeah, it's weird. Some guys, a bunch of hot guys I was going to introduce you to. A couple meetings lined up. We had to put those down. It's a bummer. In the war room, you were wearing your street clothes, but you had a full glam ready to go in the tote bag. clip it's never street clothes it was a beautiful sheer caftan style dress actually it was brown it was really beautiful um with bony shoes uh but yeah i was wearing like what i was what i wore that day and then I had a lyre pants. I had a whole look at lyre jacket in my black tote bag, which is by my front door right now because I dumped it by the door this morning. Yeah, I had a whole look, but alas. But it doesn't matter because when you go hard in the paint, there's always another opportunity to wear the outfit, to wear the looks. I'm not worried. Whatever you got to tell yourself, babs. So you're saying that you go hard enough where there's always an opportunity to stunt. You don't need the Met Gala to stunt. You can do it on a Tuesday night. Every day is a second chance at a first impression. Deep. I think you believe in fashion karma where if something that you really wanted to do didn't end up working out, it could be a job that you couldn't do because someone's out of town or whatever.

when you really believe in you that you have fashion in your heart it'll come back to you when it needs to that's very poetic jason yes i agree and yeah i mean it's actually on a real tip i was sad because obviously i think that this met was actually a cool one i mean i know we're gonna get into it but i actually thought that the people who came were the real icons legends and stunners like say what you want but when You get a triptych of Madonna, Stevie Wonder and Diana Ross showing up somewhere. You're at somewhere like this. These people don't go out. That's true. Just that's true. You know, the average little effect. I didn't see Stevie on my I didn't see Stevie performed at the gala. I think he did like three songs, which is I was always wondering who performs. I've heard it's usually pretty good. It's varying, but like overall, it's pretty good, which is nice. Yeah. Because I'm sure the food is bad, so you've got to have something. The food is notoriously bad. Do you remember the year Tiana Taylor bought her own Chick-fil-A in? That's really, really iconic. Tiana Taylor is an icon. Unfortunately, last night she looked like a magician working at Disney World, but she is a legend. I love her. Hey. Do you disagree? Listen, I like people who take... Well, we're going to get into it. So are we getting it? Yeah, we're into it. Yeah, we're sure. We're here, baby. We're here. We're here. We're here. Okay, well, this one's really tricky. Not for us. I'm not talking about her specifically. I'm talking about this man. Because taking a big swing, if you really try to knock, you risk. A lot of things that could have gone wrong. Especially as a white person. I just want to put that out there. Especially as a white person. So would you say a big swing is telling a bunch of people who don't know anything about fashion to duplicate the look of a black dandy from a Victorian era? Oh, good grief. Have mercy. If you want to get technical, the theme was tailored for you. Tailored for you.

What exactly, I mean, you said to get technical, but what is tailored for you specifically? Exactly. It means nothing. It means nothing. I think it's obvious. My Google AI assistant agent is tailored for me as well. Exactly. You know, Alexa is tailored for you. I think it is obviously ominous for a reason. I think people confuse the Met Gala theme with the Met exhibition. a lot of the time. I'm a victim of, I do that myself, and I apologize. Guilty as charged, Lynette. Yeah, and I think it's important to make a distinction, right? The exhibition is super fine and is about, you know, this study and critique of Black, well, it's not critique, it's a study and celebration, really, of Black Dandyism throughout the last 300 years, and that's the exhibition. Then you have this theme. which obviously you pay homage to what you're going to see in the exhibit if you're a guest of the Met Gala. But in this very specific theme and this year, you know, you would have been a fool to not read the subtext of, like, you need to, you know, support black designers in fashion. Yeah, Wales Bonner's Met, but put it down and pick up the Wales Bonner. We got Martine Roses available to you. Like, you can't wear... Because you know I would have pulled up wearing Ralph Lauren and it would have been bad. You know what I mean? Well, I went to the exhibit preview and one of the only white designers is Ralph Lauren. Well, I think he's accepted by all communities. I think he's kind of the GOAT. Cross-racist. A hundred percent. I think he can lay a claim to actually when no one was fucking with... Sorry, can I swear on here? Yeah, yeah. Okay, fabulous. When no one was fucking with dressing a black dandy or dressing a black... man with that savoir faire. He would do it. You know, he was doing it. Like, think about Tyson Beckford. He has his whole career to thank for Ralph Lauren and that subversion of someone who looked kind of like thuggy and from the street and saying, actually, you're so beautiful. You're so this. I'm going to put you in a three-piece suit. Lynette, you're talking about Tyson Beckford. Like, you might have had a poster in your bedroom or something. I don't want to put that on you. I didn't.

I do, but he's still hot. Of course. He looks great. Guys like that, he's hot until he dies. He's good. Yeah, he's hot until he dies. Where is he at, though? He was there. Oh, was he? I feel like I never see him around. It's quiet for Tyson. I'm sure he's living a very calm and relaxing private life. I think they will him out when it's time for the male supermodel. Historically, as you know... men obviously have it hard and male models, especially don't get the respect that the female models get. And that's something that we try to be a face for that on how long gone, but I don't think today is a day to go over that. Fellas, it gets better. It gets better. There are, there are solutions. It gets better. You know, the lifespan of a male model, it's so short. You know what I mean? And we've had it so tough for so long. Believe male models. Believe male models. That's all I'll say. But Lynette, it kind of reminds me, like, the theme, it seems like every year the theme gets a little bit more and more of a minefield and less of just, like, here's a theme that we can all understand and appreciate. Like, it reminds me of when the theme was camp. Yeah. And we quickly learned that, like, 99% of people. are not camp and don't even know what it means yeah so you know if you're benson boone and and your stylist tells you to dress like a black dandy i'm i'm just gonna mentally shut down like what like what is that even you know it's a tough It's a tough thing to do. Yeah, I don't care what Taylor McNeil tells me. I'm wearing a suit. I ain't putting on no funky shit. This is the problem. Men, unless you're Coleman Domingo, put on a suit, bro. Everybody, you got to relax. Anything else, you got to chill. But put on a suit with a steampunk pocket watch and 11 brooches? No, no, no. I'm saying if I got invited to the Met Gala, I'm showing up in a tuxedo with no flair. I'm going straight candle. Okay, James Corden. Oh, no, Chris. Chris thinks he's Tom Ford. That's why, Lynette. I do not think I'm Tom Ford. You think he's Tom Ford? Yeah. This bitch thinks he's Tom Ford? I do. I hear your trepidation. But I think that that is selling yourself short. I think the people who had successful executions last night, the classic term, ask somebody.

Like, there are enough people to reference us. I thought, like, say what you will, I thought Kendall Jenner, like, getting Gabriela, like, breaking away from her usual stylist and saying, hey, I'm going to work with Gabriela Karifa Johnson and she's going to introduce me to Tora Shedru, who's an amazing young designer that the comm group are, like, grooming to be their next kind of designer. show me the way i i agree that that is cool and i want to point out kendall jenner is a beautiful female model and that's why it's partly so it didn't even matter that her look was boring that's you know that's the power of it i but this is what i'm saying jason i prefer boring and and respectful than adventurous and stupid not for not at the met gala for me met gala this is splash out time highest degree of difficulty and that's why i love that 90% of everybody looked awful because the people that did look good, you're like, it makes it that much better. It displays the degree of difficulty in real time. Jason is just not letting up. I don't think everyone looked that bad. I thought I would see a lot more hot mess. A lot more hot mess. I kind of agree. I kind of agree with you. I mean, I think like overall it was pretty, I think people were careful and it made it better. Yeah, exactly. And I think. listen i think that's too safe like i was so disappointed by hayley bieber who again another beautiful woman but like she she goes harder in her in her street style for me well she goes harder because she's wearing yeah she's wearing five xl jeans and a crop top and you know she can pull that off she can pull that off and a tuxedo dress i just was like of all the things yeah she was looking kind of boring i love the way doesn't it's just like boring boring i mean it was boring but i i like i said i well her man i mean her man is at home like smoking a bong and watching golf on tv with his like hood rat friends while she has to go do the adult stuff you know i would be in a bad mood too imagine if you had to quote unquote leave your child with justin while you go to new york that ain't you don't want to do that like i don't care how many nannies are there that the rock's still getting smoked you got to be careful

Moving on. Show me the lie, Lynette. Show Chris Black the lie. All right, Lynette. So let's go through. Well, I would like to hear some of your. Let's start with the ladies. Like, what are the favorites? Because, I mean, we could pontificate for hours. Let's do it. I thought that. All right. This episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by Quince. Jason, the temps are warming up. It's getting hot out there. Summer always changes how I get dressed. I need pieces that feel lighter, more breathable. And they're just easy but, you know, still put together. I don't want to look like a slob. That's why I keep coming back to Quince. You know, they focus on high-quality essentials that feel and look amazing. Breathable linen and soft organic cottons. Well-made basics but without the luxury markups. That rare balance where everything feels elevated. but still effortless. Yeah, Chris, linen season is here. I wore a linen blazer to dinner a few nights ago in the warm California sun. But, you know, you got that Italy trip coming up this summer and quality European linen pants and shirts. Upgrade that look starting at just $34. You know, if you get a nice linen suit, a little t-shirt underneath it, some chill shoes, you're looking good, but you're staying cool. The inside of your special areas are nice and dry as you turn up with your besties. So elevate that summer wardrobe. Go to quince.com slash how long for free shipping on your order and 365 day returns, even on a nice holiday now available in Canada. That is Q-U-I-N-C-E dot com slash how long. That'll get you free shipping and 365 day returns. Quince punto com slash how long. Hi Talk House Network listeners, it's your old friend Nels Klein from Wilco here. Wilco is touring this summer and we'd love to see you somewhere on the road. We're playing shows this June and July in Rochester Hills, Michigan, Chautauqua, New York, Lafayette, New York, Bethlehem, Pennsylvania, Vienna, Virginia, Forest Hills, New York, Portland, Maine, Tulsa, Oklahoma, Memphis, Tennessee, La Grange, Georgia, Charleston.

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Prader Rican is what that is. Prader Rican. You're like, let's get down to the dragon. Prader Rican's good, Jason. I'm not going to let that slide. Prader Rican is nice. Yeah, I think so. So the white suit and the hat, I think Anna Sawai, the girl from Shogun, wore an almost identical look. And I think they both looked equally great. You know, the 70s hat, a little Carmen Sandiego energy to it. Carmen Sandiego gets married is how I would describe it. And it looked good. She looked like a female Santana. Yeah, that was good. And yeah, she just brings the extra swag with it. And I thought it was really cute. She went after Diana Ross, who was one of her references for her look. She referenced Mahogany. and then went after Diana Ross on the record. I like that. I like that Diana Ross had her little son helping her out like the assistant. I love my man. What else is he going to do? I would argue that Diana Ross might be best look of the night for me. Wow, that's a big... That's a big exclamation. That is big. You know what I really liked was Pamela Anderson. I thought the Tory Burch was very cool. Even though she let her kid cut her bangs? Yeah, I don't love the bikini kill bangs, but I... I think it worked. I think she looked cool. Lynette, what do you think? I think the bob was cute. Christopher! Let's... Come on. I don't know if that was one of my my personal standouts. But this is why we're here. This is why we're here is to discuss it and disagree and agree and come together. I guess we are only talking about her haircut. I don't remember what her dress looked like at all. I thought it was very cool. I thought it was very cool. But I understand. I think. Yeah, I think the beauty of living in America is, you know, free speech. So let's let's move on to market to Lewis. Hamilton who I thought looked really good then I gotta say like you know I've been like playfully calling this year's Met Gala like the Grace Wells Bonner Grand Prix because if there was anyone who was gonna win this who was born to win this who made her brand to win this it was Grace who I adore and have known for a very long time and I think that just it doesn't mean kind of de facto that I think she's gonna be

the best at it but i thought that that was like a good execution he he looked good even though he's 411 he fills the suit out nice this must be this must be tailored for him lynette do you yeah this is lynette you it sounds like you like him a little bit you know what i'm saying and don't do it just make it sure i'm just making sure i'm just making sure okay well let me make sure he's in the market for a new beard it could be a good so what do you So Lynette, what do you think about the beret to the side with the brooch? The beret to the side is a powerful look. It has a little public enemy to it, perhaps. Yeah, a little Samuel L. I like it. I think it's cool. He looked good. No, he looked good. I thought he looked good, too. He looked good. And as a co-chair, I think it was great that someone didn't just do the Vuitton, the Prada, the Chanel, and actually was like... i'm gonna support a young well he's a big he's a big wales bonner like customer and wearer yes like historically right yes he is he's a bond man eric mcneil who he works with is a huge wales bonner fan as well so like it makes a lot of sense but you know in these times everyone's like the met goner has become this massive billion dollar ecosystem i don't besmirch any celebrity who's like listen i'm trying to get my check Yeah. I'm going to get this watch. OK. Yeah. We're in a post bag getting society. That's who. But I would say with Lewis Hamilton, I think it's cool that it took a professional athlete to be one of the only people who really pulled off like a. a dandy look well yeah and i thought that was kind of ironic that oh professional athlete he drives a car let's keep it quote that's why i did my air quotes but it's very demanding on the body it is no it is the g-force alone and having just left the f1 you should know this guy's this guy's neck is also normal sized and a lot of those guys have thick ass necks but lewis he's got he's got a dandy neck he's a dandy driver They have to train their necks because the G-Force is so crazy when they drive. It's a whole thing. I never knew that. Learn something every day. That's a whole thing. All right, so you like Lewis. You like Tiny L. What did you think of Pharrell's jacket was made from? Pearls. Pearls. Hopefully sustainable. It was a little snug for my liking, but being made of pearls is cool as hell. I liked that it was made of pearls. It was a little shoe in the arm.

I'm a little short in the pant leg. I'm looking at it right now. You're right. You look stunned by this. You look like you've been offended. Well, because like... I also want to clarify, everyone's just using dandy for a stylish black man. Also, let's get into that. We got white dandies too. No white dandy erasure here. Oh, okay. I'm so sorry. How could I forget? Also, I feel like white dandies are British culture. I'm sorry. How could I put last the white male? You've gone through so much. Don't sleep on us. Don't sleep on us. Don't sleep on us. Do not. Do not, Lynette. Do not sleep on us. Okay, so I thought Pharrell's jacket looked nice, and I thought this was the best look that Pharrell has had on a red carpet in some time. I think he's been wearing his little baby fat cowboy jeans for the last couple years, and it's nice to have. Even though the pants are sitting short, I kind of like the way it looks with that flat-soled shoe. No, it's cool. He looked good. He looked good. Pharrell's in a category unto himself, really. Like, and really, honestly, the other stylish men who at all happen to be coaches, like, him, Coleman, Rocky, like, they're the few guys in the world of, like, 10 names I could think of off-dome who really know how to wear fashion. So when I say Pharrell's a little, like... a little short whatever i'm still he's still better than 99.9 of all people ever we're splitting hairs yeah we're splitting hairs and if we also want to talk about the back catalog and i'm not talking about music i'm actually talking about back catalog of just looks Of Skateboard P? Yeah, it's true. Skateboard P does have a good... I mean, I don't love the NERD mesh cap, but otherwise he's killed it. Rude. That was some of the best. Yeah, the yellow mesh cap was very sexy at the time. Yeah. I mean, I also want to point out that him and Rocky are both exceptionally good looking, which I think helps with the clothing part, you know? Mm-hmm. Yeah, I mean... Some of us have to try hard. I have to put lipstick on a pig every time I leave the house. You know what I mean? I'm not walking out there looking like...

Pharrell looks rich. Rocky looks real rich now. Yeah, no, Rocky looks rich, right? Let's talk about that. Rocky looks good. This relationship has been the best. I mean, he was always looking really good. Do you think that there's a point where he could get any more pretty? Is he maxed out on the prettiness level? Or is he going to reach a rarefied air of prettiness that males, quote unquote, straight have not been able to accomplish? Yeah, he could. He could be a Denzel-er where it just gets really good as he gets older. Like, he has it in him. He has the bone structure. He has the carefree energy of a man who knows he doesn't have to work another day in his life. And that he got the baddest beat he was begging for for years! So it's like, it's... He's addicted to drugs, and that keeps him a lot more carefree as well. Yeah, he's having no responsibilities. That's great. I mean, he definitely doesn't have to put out music. No one cares about that, but he shows up and he looks good. He makes no secret of his marijuana use, Lynette. Don't act so shocked. Don't act like you're on the Ray-Ban payroll. Relax. I think Rihanna might smoke a little grass, too. She does. Not while pregnant, of course. Not while pregnant. Not while pregnant. Only one glass. Only one glass. Okay, so you... You liked, but A$AP Rocky was wearing his agency, AUG. I think it's, don't you say A-W-G-E. I think you spell it out. I don't know. AUG-E? There's no periods between the letters. Is it like POG? Does it mean something? Do not say POG, Jason. Do you know what POG means, Lynette? No. Fat-ass white girl. Fat P-H-A-T. No, it doesn't. Yes, it does. Yes, it does. Well, insert. P-A-W, yeah, POG. P-A-W-G. P-A-W-G. Are you Googling this live? Of course. Oh, yeah. Fat with a P-H. It sounds so much better with your proper accent. P-H. With a P-H. Okay, well, go off. We learned something new every day. I love learning and teaching. I guess speaking of fat-ass white girl, what do you think? I saw a few people saying Sydney Sweeney was reminiscent of a big lotto.

Do you think that she was giving Big Lotto? Because she was hourglass, but spilling out at the top. You know what I'm saying? This is just absurd. Lynette, Big Lotto, yes or no? No. Big no. Hard no. Big lot no. Okay? She's a beautiful, beautiful. And as I can attest to, but because of sheer fact that I run a website, people are fascinated by her. People are really interested in clicking about her and knowing about her. You tell me people click on Sydney's Sweeney photos more than others? She's got the best jet skis in all of Orlando. I'll tell you that. She ain't playing with that. Okay, so you said no lotto. I saw another person describe her look as creole. What say you, Lynette? Creole? Creole! Like, instead of going dandy steampunk, she was doing a little, like, Nolan's turn-of-the-century kind of vibe. You know what I mean? Okay. Sure, I can see it in the fringe, and I guess the Kisco had, but I don't know if I'm trying to give a rule of that. Like, she would have, like, a knife in her boot or something like that. But Lynette, let's just... let's get let's get past the titties did the look work yeah i thought she looked pretty like am i am i thinking about her you know the 24 hours oh it's not 24 hours 18 hours after thinking whoa she really did that no but like she was comfortably in it she looked cute she sold that mu mu contract and there were references and like i'm sure they like had some 1920s flapper girl josephine baker style energies on the Wall Street. She's a part. Can you break down for the people that don't understand, like, let's say Sydney Sweeney has a Mew Mew contract. That means she's paid a certain amount of money to wear Mew Mew to a certain amount of events per year, correct? Exactly. And be in campaigns and show up to their shows on contract. What do you think, Sydney Sweeney, what do you think is hitting for? What do you think the check is looking like from the product group? Oh, I mean, how many followers has she got?

Let me see what I want to say. Yeah, do the math, Lynette. Pull out the P&L. Every guy I've met, that's how many followers she has. Yeah, every guy I've ever met, seen. Let me get my abacus out. Hold on. She's got 24.9 million followers. She's on a really huge TV show. She's beautiful. She has male sex appeal, which I want you to explain to me after I do my abacus. I don't know what you're talking about. And then you have to put on the 10% white girl agency fee. So, I don't know. Like three. The white tax. Yeah, of course. You get extra. Three. No, no, no. Millions. In the millions. And I'm not mad at her, actually. Like, she seems. cool for that generation. I like that she lives in Florida and maintains kind of a swamp lifestyle, even though she's very wealthy. Very Lana Del Rey. I think she's generally attractive, but it's more like a girl you went to high school with, which I think is why she's so popular. That's exactly it. She has what Kate McCray wants. It's like that... you could be her if you like leveled up a bit energy but yeah more than Tate Tate really looks like the girl next door yes and she has no songs just like the girl next door so I kind of get it at that point aren't you just the girl next door from she's Canadian she's from like Alberta so you know you never know which is weird that she's so MAGA she's not even from here But what a great dancer she is, am I right? She's a great dancer. She is a good dancer. She is a good dancer. All right, so you liked that, and Sydney Sweeney gets a pass from you. She gets a pass. Okay, all right. Okay, I would say since we're in the white girl wing of the museum, I would say maybe worse look, Sabrina Carpenter. Awful. Oh, she's on mine too. Awful. It just was.

And it was custom Louis Vuitton. So Pharrell designed this. Well, that's the problem. You've got to get a real designer. That's the issue. That's the problem. Clearly. You're like, that's the beginning and the end. The alpha and the omega. I think she's a cutesy girl that, again, the average American woman is going to be like, wow, she's so glamorous. So she can't put it together. And I've seen her look. great at other you know um i i think she's too she's too like mini for me okay well you know i don't mean i don't i don't mean like that i just mean like for clothing I think you have to really do it right and be very specific about your choices. I think she said or somebody said the reason why her look did not have any pants was to elongate her silhouette because she is so devoid of inches. Right. But didn't the look, correct me if I'm wrong, didn't it have a really exaggerated sleeve? Let me see here. So it's six or eight or something. I remember that being like length. on the arms and to me that's like six of one half a dozen or the other right because like you gave her no pants but you put all that bulk up yeah and she can't handle that either and i thought the biggest crime actually was her hair and i know she has she has you know she goes for the big kind of dolly diet dolly blonde hair and like that's her thing but she needed to pull it back and up she needed to get it up and um yeah i just don't think it was a very successful execution I don't know what it means I don't know beyond anything whether I like it or not it's neither here nor there though I get it for the purposes of the show it's that Yeah, I don't know how it relates to the theme. I don't see any through line. I don't know if the buttons or that. Was there like a sort of ethylene thing? I remember. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it just it just fell flat on all the. I could have given her a part if it was like a hard reference of something. And I would have been like, oh, like she went for it. She swung. She didn't get there. But like whatever. But it was like nothing. Her reference was kind of like Bugs Bunny.

More like the WB frog. You know what I mean? What's his name? I always forget his name. He's got a name. I don't remember. The WWWB frog. But yeah, she had a top hat and a cane, which seems to be there is a long-running theme of accessories this year. Canes. We can start with canes, but Rocky had his cane that had a bit of a pistol grip on the end of it. And there's a lot of canes going on. I kind of like the cane. It seems like a cool accessory. You know what? Something to do with your hands? I'm all set. Central C with the cane. And I love Central C, but you can't. First of all, men can't wear Jacquemus. That's just, that's number one. That's the rule. No, that's not true. Jason, no, there's not. The pants that are hanging behind me, Jacquemus. They look like Zara. Not those, but I'm saying his brand looks like Zara. It's expensive Zara. It's expensive Zara for people that want to go to Spain. Am I wrong? It's resort wear, I think. I think there's a time and place for it, but I agree. It's a hard, for the average guy, it's a hard thing to pull off. Let's say that. I'm glad that he was there, though. I've been following along. Central Sea has started vlogging on Reels, and it's really funny. He's really good. It's really funny. Yeah, a lot of women I know find him really attractive and sexy. I think he kind of looks like a cricket wearing a suit. What do you think, Lynette? A lot of, someone who I will not name. who attended the gala last night, and we had a little catch up this morning, was also telling me that they have a little crushy poo on Central Sea. Maybe he looked, listen, I think he's like, he reminds me of a guy that ate chicken and chips on the top of the bus with me and my friends when I lived in London, like growing up. He has a very familiar look, the way he talks. So I have a fondness in my heart for that kind of thing. And do I, you know, in my mid-30s living in New York City, want to, like, chase down someone who looks like Central City? No. But I think he's cool looking. So you have a rule that no man can wear Nike tech fleece sweats in your house. That's kind of like, that's a bridge too far for you. You can't!

but you need to also if it's gonna be that you also gotta know about good wine and get a decent dinner reservation you know it can't be like we are adults like the saddest thing is like when you're two like hanging on clinging on for dear life reading that high snobs trying to claw through for whatever like okay so you're saying he can look chicken and chips but he can't actually be chicken and chips he can't just be a guy who like plays video games all day Exactly. We like budget. It's good to have budget. You don't strike me as a person who loves budget, but I'm glad that you're saying that on the record. Yeah, actually, Lynette, speaking of your budgeting and your organization, you're a fellow Virgo. Is that true? Chris and I are both Virgos. Oh, yeah. That's why this is going so well. Yes, I do. Well, we're the best. Let's be clear. Virgos really are the best. We're the best. Don't do it. You do it. And think about all the Virgos that rock. Tom Ford, Beyonce, Cameron Diaz, Zendaya, Michael Jackson. Don't go there. We all are correct. I agree. Also, my favorite Virgo and my birthday twin, Amy Winehouse. Come on. Like, really. We go hard. One of your greatest exports. One of your greatest exports. The list goes on. And we go hard. And sometimes, you know, you know, in her case, we go too hard. But like, we are still in the lexicon of fabulousness. Culture shifters. Okay. That's good to know. I feel like I'm shifting culture every time I leave the house. And I thought it was just because I'm pushing. But it's because of my Virgo birth date. No, that's because you don't go to Brooklyn. So you only you're surrounded by. People in downtown New York who feed that to your ego. No, they don't. They do not feed that to me. I mean, do you think that wouldn't happen in Bed-Stuy or whatever? Yeah, I think he'd be humbled. Because I'd have to walk so far to get a bottle of water? Or because there's no restaurants? Honey, try leaving below 14th Street. It's a really, really fun endeavor. I do. I go to LA all the time. He does. It's called the airport.

Yeah, I go to LaGuardia. That's in Queens, I think. I go to JFK. I think that's also in Queens. Yeah, he's out of there all the time. You come to the city every day, don't you? Yeah, I'd be there. But you're a city bike user, aren't you? I like a city bike. I'm a purveyor of all the car apps, the Lyfts, the Ubers. I even take a Rebel car sometimes, though I don't like those because they make me sick. Driving in Tesla would make me sick. Yeah, me too. Okay, guys, let's get back on track, you guys. Let's get back on track. I love the rebel blue cars, but we have fashion to talk about. Rosa Parks' face being embroidered on Lisa from Blackpink's underwear. What say you, Lynette? You're not going to let me do it. I used to give this... nonsense any airtime. It's so, it's so watch to me. I can't, like, I can't even. Okay, well, I have a follow-up question. If Pharrell were here right now, what would you tell him about this choice that he made? Yeah, I would want to say to him, you know, did no one, you know, doing the tech pack, you know, the cat, like, think, huh. Hey, can anybody send me a high res file of Rosa Parks' face? It's not coming up. It's too small. So Pharrell was maybe like, hey, are there any Korean pop stars who were recently discovered saying the N word on a bunch of videos? Because I really want to put Rosa Parks on her pussy. It makes no sense. It's about as bad as it could be, right? Yeah. It's as bad as it could be. I think like. You know, whoever was like, let's take one of the greatest, you know, one of the icons of the civil rights movement and put it on a pop star's underwear. Do we think this could mean the end of K-pop? Do you think this is the final nail in the coffin we need to get? Not at all. It's over. I don't think it's happening the way it used to be. I think even like a year ago, it was twice as big as it is now in America. Do you think that Pharrell pulled the Rosa Parks panties out?

And was running down the line and everyone's like, I'm not wearing those. Are you fucking kidding me? And then Lisa was the only person who agreed to do it. Is that a situation? Lisa didn't know who Rosa Parks was. That's why she agreed to do it. Of course. But I'm just trying to wrap my head around the why or how this could have happened with all of your touch points. French people don't understand anything either. The higher ups are famously racist. I also want to say, yeah, I think we're given... Lisa doesn't know. No, Lisa is actually not to blame here. She's merely the messenger. She's not to blame. It's crazy to me that that kind of slips through the cracks and it probably speaks to everyone being afraid of Pharrell. Like, I can't believe in fit. They're a machine. There must have been several fittings, you know, as mentioned, a CAD designer, a tech designer, fabric this and that. Not one person was like, whoa. And if they were, were they empowered to go and say, hey, like, waving the white flag here? Don't say white flag, Lynette. I see what you did there. I see what you did there. Oh, yeah. Black flag. Black flag. you know what maybe i'm giving them too much credit maybe no one cares i always say how many people saw that pepsi kendall jenner ad and there it was a classic i mean that's one of the best of all time that's one of the best examples and then you get things you get today where you have to deal with that blowback they'll be fine yeah he'll be fine it's just a little surprising given you know co-chair of the event uh you know pillar of black culture a male a black dandy if there ever was one you know like let's try and get it right He effed up. We can agree on that. On the subject of Pharrell's choices, what do you think about Dochi's Louis V. facial scar growth tattoo thing? What would you call that? That's a really good question. I can't say I'd ever seen anything like that. I think she looked good. She had a great pair of shorts on.

She had a great pair of shorts on. I just, I really, really did. Did you see the video of her being mean to her help at the hotel? No. Was she mean? Bad, Dochi. Bad. She was screaming at him for umbrellas to cover her wall, to hide her. I think, unfortunately, I think Dochi, who I also love, is going to get too big for her britches too fast. No short joke intended. And I think it's going to be... Will you send it to... I'd like to see that. Because have you seen the diabolical gay that's with her? It's like a white guy with fake lips. He's always with her. I'm like, this is bad. If you've got a man with you who's got lip filler, you're going down the wrong path. Straight or not. Straight or gay. Fair. Fair, and I'm back with that statement. But no, I haven't seen that, and I hope not, because I think she's so cool. I think she's got, like, that thing that, you know, it's like a little Lauryn Hill, it's a little Erica. It's the girls that, like, can do that eclectic thing, and it's kind of wrong, but you kind of make it right because they're swaggy. And I've just been so impressed with her. And I thought, like... it's not a look that i think anybody else could have done and it's and arguably it's a look that i might not have even liked on anybody else but i like thought it was cool on her because she can kind of like give that energy i thought the afro was cool she can she can wear she can wear anything is the reality she's one of those people i think at this at this stage yeah well we're getting all right We're in the last 15 minutes here. We need to get into the fellas. Let's get into it. Okay, Andre 3000 and his piano and garbage bag. Maybe that's my favorite look. Hard. Hard. And the thing is, you wish it was... The haters are going to say it was Photoshopped. It was so good. To see him there is just... amazing with a with a genuine smile on his face no bullshit no attitude he's just a happy guy he's happy to be here i liked it yeah i like not leaving like not leaving after 10 minutes out of like social anxiety like i i've heard he does all the things i think this is like it was great it was weird and kooky but like if not andre 3000 who else and he worked with more roach on it and

i just yeah i i'm just so glad you went um and people like that went like i watched like shout out andre walker who also went to like he looked he looked good he looked incredible like arthur jaffa who went like the real ones i saw i saw him at the after party he had a fat ass earring in nice looking earring and the gray hair looks good on him too yeah like dignified Antoine Sargent. Antoine looked good, too. He looked good, too. Yeah, like, people who are really, you know, the spirit of that dandyism in modern-day interpretations. And I think that Andre Feigal, look, he's everyone's reference. Like, man, woman, old, young. Everyone fucks with him. Everyone likes to see him. I don't know if he plopped. I thought he was going to plop down that piano and start hitting it. But he didn't. And I don't really care. Like, I think Laura said, like, when he brought him the idea of the piano, he was like, yeah, only you. And I think it's great. So that was Roche. Yeah, I think that was. Yeah, in terms of bringing an accessory along with you, I would say this is the highest degree of difficulty and the biggest success compared to, like, my purse is a sewing machine or I'm carrying, like, a little. I hated the sewing machine purse. Who was that? i'm blanking on it i hate it i forgot i forgot the name but i hate it i don't think it was a person i think it was just straight up a sewing machine just a sewing machine like the theme is tailoring i'm gonna bring a sewing machine i even saw that shit in half i like jeremy allen white i thought he looked really good that was cool his pants look good oh my baby now you really can say it on record that i like this one okay he looked he looked cool like he looked he looked really good he is so fine like so let's just start there we're gonna talk about okay handsome men like you're saying you're saying little white boy could get it is what you're saying oh my god you are that's insane i am saying that i think he is an attractive man and i think he looked great well who was he wearing i think he was wearing lv i think it was l i think it was yeah i think it was lv too with the queen sweep yeah i thought he looked great i i think he's riding high on obviously the success of the bear and his calvin contract his calvin pictures changed lives that was

That was good. I'm not exaggerating because I walk by that billboard every day and there would be teen girls giggling, scandalized from seeing the billboard. I was like, that does not happen anymore. That is a strange, rare thing. But I thought he looked great. I thought he looked really cool. I think the back-to-back of Jeremy Allen White and Bad Bunny on that. on that billboard was really that was that was a subtle a subtle serve from calvin yeah it was a it was a real left right punch and you were knocked out yeah that's for everybody i also liked um i'm blanking on his name the guy who wore all the color the white boy the gay like theater guy i'm blanking on his oh cola scholar no not cole not cole not cole not cole but cole i think cole had maybe best and worst look at the same time it was psycho it was it was so ugly but also very sick like grandma's couch type beat yeah but which is kind of his thing and at least you can do it so like go off again that's what i'm wrong for something but i still i was in that i respect you because that's your judge like that was good now somebody so i future i'm seeing people saying he looked korean i have him written down What was that? I like the hair. I like the hair. No, Jason, no. I liked it. Jason, stop it. No. Please. Come on, it's Future. Future can basically do no wrong. He did wrong this time. That's my whole point. He did wrong. That's my whole point. Yeah, that was really not his, it wasn't his man. And he's so, again, another gorgeous man. Like, doesn't have to be this way. Really, like, has a height for the shoulders. It doesn't have to be this way. It doesn't have to be that high on the shoulders. He can wear a great suit. He can wear something fantastic. I don't quite know what happened. And then also in front of his baby moms and her really super rich new husband, it's like, come on now. You knew they were all going to be there. But he's the corniest guy of all time, so it doesn't matter. It's true. Yeah, that's the coolest.

Thank you for agreeing. Where is this guy I'm looking for? What did we think about Jeremy O'Hara's friend of the show? I thought that he may have understood the assignment in the most subtle and tasteful but perfect way. Or speaking of people who actually can really do the dandy thing, let's really lay claim. He's someone who... He's not new to this. He's true to this. He was holding up the ring in the photos. You'll see Jeremy O'Hara downtown at a party and he's wearing this on a regular Tuesday. It was his time to shine. I don't know who he was wearing. I can't really remember. The brand. I thought he looked good because again, it's like a swing and no one else could do it. It's kind of weird. he's that guy and and and like own it you know this is i think for people where this was your met gala like if this was your met gala go off like And he's one of those. He was wearing Balmain. Balmain. And yeah, I think that's good. Wow. If he can make Balmain look good in 2025, you got the touch, bro. That's God. It has to be tailored just for him. Otherwise, it doesn't work. That's God-tier behavior right there. Other friend of the show, Shaboozy, I think he may have been worse dressed, but the turquoise grill, I loved. Turquoise grill, I like. He's taken me to Santa Fe and I like it, but he looked insane. He had like this turquoise pearl, like women's blouse on, but everyone is more so talking about his fat ass. He's working with a monster. Oh, is he dragging a wagon? Hold on. He's dragging a wagon, Lynette. Wait, hold on, hold on. Take your time. Google away. Okay. Yeah. I love the grills and his skin looks great and he looks like nice and moisturized, which is. I would say 20% of the bowel. You're saying everything, you're talking about anything but the clothes, Lynette. I'm starting to wonder. What do you think about his outfit? Amazing skin. He is taking all the right supplements. Yeah, it's my version of great gowns, beautiful gowns. I think, like, listen, I think it was a swing, and, you know, I think...

That day he missed. Nobody expects Shabuzi to shut it down. Shabuzi's in the twilight of fame. You know what I mean? He had his time and this is probably the last gasp of, you know. No, I'm just, I don't know if Shabuzi's got another one in it. Well, I guess speaking of Lil Nas X not. spotted this year and is it is he in the kia asylum i have a feeling he wasn't invited and i thought about that actually no he's he's a flop it's over wow chris but is that why he wasn't invited he doesn't have any songs if you ain't got songs don't get invited baby face you know baby face was there you know why he's got songs was there and i don't feel like he has some lynette has a good point lynette has a good that's a good point but he could have prayed about it and you know god helped him that's a little chance ask god for the invite He said, God, I need this. God, I don't need the plus one, God, if you hear me. No, I prayed on it. Lord, have mercy. Okay, well, speaking of Lord, have mercy, and we'll go back to the fellas, but I would say Megan Thee Stallion, titties popping out like a Yorkshire pud. What say you, Lynette? Well, I'm going to pause just there to make the pun that is just lying right there for me to grab. Lord, have mercy for Lord. I loved it. We talked about it. I thought it was awesome. You're not. You're not real. You're not ready here. I'm not doing that with you. So I was told it was inspired by a cummerbund. You see that when you look at it now. And once I saw that, I was like, oh, shit, it really do look like a cummerbund around her titties. To me, it looks like, you know, when you see, like, a meme and they block out the person's username and it's, like, a gray three-dimensional rectangle. To me, it looked like that. It kind of reminded me of a Tetris piece. Very sexy for Tom Brown, though. Tom doesn't usually do that. Like, Tom is covered up. As a fashion insider, how do you think that piece was holding on? Is it just double-sided tape or do you think it's some new technology, maybe? hot glue and Jesus. I don't know. I don't know what that was. Speaking of prayer. Speaking of prayer. Speaking of prayer. Okay, we agreed to disagree on this one. I really didn't like it. I loved it. I thought it was cool. I thought it was actually cool looking. You know what I mean? I think it's a divisive look. I understand that. I've heard a lot of wild swings on, but I think most people are in your camp, Lynette. Let's go back to Meg's.

I didn't even see Meg. Meg was there with Michael Kors. I still didn't see it. Try again next year, but that's fine. Does she look good? Let me look. She always looks good. I didn't know you were a Meg head, Jason. I think later in life I've become a Meg head. She's bad. There's no question she's bad. She is so bad. really on another level like that body is really there to like gobble the girls up like um she and she so she gets a pass just on like that extra level body alone yeah body audio audio alone okay yeah um all right lynette sorry i gotta wrap this up but we really appreciate you wait two more things chris i think that We should have had an appearance from Cat Williams, one of America's leading black dandies. Oh, that's true. You're so correct. That is like, but you know, they're always going to leave a few soldiers behind. And I completely agree. He actually should have done the live stream, the Vogue live stream. And that would have been a solve. Let's get Spike Lee out of here. We don't need him. Spike Lee is the fucking worst. Do you see his hat? I hate it all. I hate everything. Look up Spike Lee's hat. It's a New York Knicks cowboy hat with the brim cut off, rolled up like a cycling cap. I never watched any of his movies. I don't care. All he is is an annoying New Yorker for me. I don't even know. He was wearing a Knicks hat? Spike Lee's bamboozled year 2000. My favorite Spike Lee film. It's actually a good one. Back when Spike Lee had some, you know, he tackled some real subject matter and not just watched the basketball. Yeah, well, thank you, like Chris said, for taking the time, Lynette. He has to go shoot. Some photos of some talent right now. The money doesn't stop for Chris. The money actually stops often, unfortunately, and that's why I have to chase it. This is an unpaid opportunity for Chris. No, it's not. But I am Bugs Bunny, and there's a carrot in front of me at all times. Let me say that. So go, biatch.

But Lynette, thank you. Honestly, you were the perfect person to do this with, and we'll have to have you back. I agree. Virgo power. Yeah, that was fun, guys. I mean, controversial, but fun. Bye-bye. Bye-bye. Bye. Bye. Enjoy more ways to save at Kroger like low prices in every aisle. And when you download the Kroger app, you can clip and save more with digital coupons every week. Plus, you can earn fuel points to save up to $1 per gallon at the pump. At Kroger, you can enjoy more ways to save and more rewards every time you shop. So it's always easy to save big every day with savings and rewards. Kroger, fresh for everyone. Savings may vary by state. Fuel restrictions apply. See site for details.