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All right, this episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by Stateside with Kai and Carter, a new podcast from The Guardian. And they are using this podcast to slow down the news and wrestle with the questions that we all have about what's happening in the world. And they do it three times a week, Jason. Does that sound familiar to you? We don't really talk about, you know, a lot of international global news items and climates and cultures and sports and things like that. We do talk about fashion and wellness, but for everything else, Kai and Carter are a great place. All right, so who couldn't use more news? Listen wherever you get your podcasts. or watch on YouTube. I'm recording. How long gone? The sun is out in Manhattan. A chill. Still in the air. I was able to get a haircut. and kind of go to some of my local book merchants earlier this afternoon, so I'm feeling ready to pod, Jason. Okay, so Chris had his Chris Day where he gets to look at books. And that kind of fires you up and gets you ready to make a pod. Well, I just, you know, you forget that in New York you can accomplish so much in a couple hours. You know, you get a haircut, you go to a couple bookstores, you grab some lunch. I mean, this stuff, it's no problem. So much. Where do you have the time for all this leisure, though, Chris? As a hustler. Well, luckily, Jason, I'm never without my cellular telephone, which allows me to stay connected to my business partners as well as my financial advisors, parents, friends, partners, et cetera. So it's no problem for me. Are you really actually browsing? novellas though if you're constantly glued to your phone chris i'm not glued to my phone i wasn't looking at novellas i was at karma and mass it's not really it ain't really it's it's a feast for the eyes you know in some ways oh well put well put yeah no problem um but i know you were out there i from what i saw on the group chat it looked like you were tugging the kettlebell around like the old days yeah i was it's it's finally i mean it sucks to sled when it's when it's rainy because the grass is all slick and it just kind of flops

around you don't you don't get any uh resistance at all so it's starting to dry out a little bit more and i went out it was beautiful loved it little vitamin d huberman style bitch god i'm jealous of that i mean i guess there's some vitamin d here but i gotta as soon as you know as soon as we finish podcasting a couple more calls then we both have events tonight i know and i have to oh yeah i have to put on a jacket and go uptown to see hamilton at the carlisle uh thanks to ds and derga dinner is also served so i'm not going to be watching The performance hungry, I'm sure I'll have a great French fry or two. What kind of food do they serve at Hamilton? Is it all kind of like vintage throwback, like 1800s food? No, it's not a shaker restaurant. No, it's just the regular Carlisle menu. I imagine it's nothing special, but I'm hearing that the shows are good. It's such a cool thing that they let him do this because I feel like otherwise it's, you know. It's Woody Allen on the fucking on the clarinet or it's like a 95 year old guy you've never heard of. Yeah. So it's not helping. It's not helping the Carlisle's rebrand of trying to get the tick tockers out of there. But it's it's it's better than it's still better than some things they could do. So I want to pat them on the back for that. Yeah. I mean, I always did want to go see Woody to that horn. But, you know, that fire has burned out a little while ago. Not to quote Elton John another. musical genius one of my you know one of my personal favorites yeah you freaking love you freaking love elton no you're you're going to the the saint laurent uh oscar pre-Oscar bash well first first I'm going to Bodhi okay yeah you're gonna yeah you can you can look at some Bodhi clothes that you're not interested in or gonna buy let's just move on of course there's without this without the preemie there is no segundi you know what I mean that's it no that's true I look I love Bodhi obviously I'm a known I'm on the record but I don't see you although I would love to see you maybe in a custom crochet short for the for the kind of uh summer in italy possiblemente unfortunately uh i think i was like four years old when

That was the last age I was when Bodhi clothes fit me. No, that's why I said custom. Shorts are kind of the only thing. That's why I said custom, bro. That's why I said custom. We don't do Bodhi off rack. We only do Bodhi custom. You know that, Jason. Copy that. I mean, I was literally getting my second fitting yesterday for my suit from Mr. Lim. He also was nice enough to do a little false hem on my trousers. Pro bono, of course. What a treat. He asked me if I wanted some coffee. He gently kind of placed his hand on the small of my back, toxic man style, and guided me to the escalator. That's a microaggression? It was. That's a microaggression. I'm not going to be okay with that. I know he does things quote-unquote old school, but that doesn't mean sexual assault. Exactly. He did not create a safe space to get the way that my dick hangs on my pants measured. Sure. Nevertheless, we persist. But, yeah, so, I mean, I'm no stranger to custom garmentry, of course. Yeah, you're no stranger as of two weeks ago. Yeah, I got my little money up. Suck it. But, yeah, you're really missing out. I mean, bopping over to Bodhi, and then a quick dip into Shintaro, see if the uni tastes like Dai Dai or not, and then off to YSL, which is at the Lautner house in the Los Feliz Hills. I'll be able to plug in the Tesla at Aziz's house, and I won't even need to take an Uber because I'm so close. Oh, God. I am jealous. I'm deeply jealous. I'm excited for my night, but not being in L.A. during the Oscars does feel like a miss. And I will not let this happen again. It's probably the best time to be there. Besides, obviously, like July when it's just roasting outside. You can really, really take it all in. The streets are wild with matcha. Are you going to get twisted? I don't think I'm going to get super hyphy twisted. I mean, there's only so much damage you could do at a Bodie show. And then, I mean, the YSL thing could be something. We'll see. But it's so close to my house.

I don't really particularly picture me just having like a five martoony night or something. For some reason, I think I'm going to get a nice toasty buzz on, but this is more for the Luke. Nice toasty buzz on, he says. I'm just there to support my triangle of sadness family. You guys rocked it this year so hard. And we need to make sure that everything all at once. Does not win any award. Yeah, that's what you're doing. I know that you don't realize the Oscar voting's kind of already been tabulated, but I like that you think you could. No, I'm up to some Dominion-style tomfoolery. I'm going to change some of the votes around. The PricewaterhouseCooper team who comes out with the briefcase, you know, those guys, they can be. They can be persuaded. Oh, they could be bought. And where else are they going to rub elbows at than the Saint Laurent party, where those guys definitely get invited to. They get invited every year. I wanted to talk about another new gym guy development that's been kind of popping up on my radar. I got a couple ready to fly as well, brother. There's a new guy who's really hot, and he wears very short shorts. Of course, he's got the Bass Pro Shops mesh on. I saw a guy wearing Bass Pro Shops mesh hat today, and he looked like he doesn't know what a fucking large mouth is or a small mouth. The only large mouth this guy knows is the one he's putting his dick into. You know what I'm saying? Wait for it. Let's go, honey. Ate that. He's got the necklaces, like a pearl on, t-shirt, short Nike shorts, Bass Pro Shops hat, but on the feet. R.I.P. Vivian Westwood. On the feet. Toms with socks. Ooh. I've never seen an uncharted territory. Tom's was sucked, and he's got a couple different flavors of Tom's. He switches it up depending on his look. A red pair, a blue pair. I believe there's a white pair. Okay. What is the – would he be a – a power bottom twink or is this an otter how what's no square footage on him what's the mass i mean the problem is he looks gay of course but he might just be a tiktoker you know like i don't know one can never tell i haven't really seen his hair without but you do know how i mean would you how tell me uh how tell me how his body looks size-wise medium i mean he's he's built but lower now he's built he's he's built but he's not like he ain't he ain't

Super skinny, but he's also not, like, fucking going sicko. So he's a middle-of-the-road guy. But in shape. Like, middle-of-the-road guy who goes to Equinox. Of course, of course. Looks good in a tank top, I'm sure. 5'10", $1.75, looking pretty good. Exactly, exactly. And I'm sure he's weighing himself without his chains on. Thigh tat? There are some tats. I believe none on the thighs. I just keep those clean. Respect. I've just... I know they say you're supposed to wear a flat shoe for lifting, but this guy ain't doing any of that stuff. Does it get flatter than a tom is what he said. But he's not doing that. He's not doing any deadlifts. So my decision is, my executive decision as a guy who's been going to the gym for a long time, he's doing the tom strictly for the look. It has nothing to do with performance. Well, I mean, it could have something to do with comfort. I've never worn a toms, of course, but... I assume that it's about as comfortable as a shoe is going to get. I mean, it's just like wearing a sock, right? I mean, in theory, but I don't think the gym is the place for it, personally. I just don't think it's offensive to the other patrons. That's right. I agree. It does convey a little bit of a free-spirited attitude. I guess I would have to see the guy and really take a look under the hood to offer any more info on this. I had a new guy, which is not that new, but... Two dudes, kind of like some lunkhead, like chud kind of guys, like, you know, 300 pounds, chest tats, you know, 6'3", 6'4", just bruiser kind of guys. Me, guys like me, okay. No, no, no, no, no, no. oh okay different than me okay this is somebody that you'd see in like a reservoir dogs kind of hired muscle or once again once again i don't okay so not me just okay you ever see a video where like a romanian guy is like you know what i'm gonna fist fight this bear and you're like he's kind of doing it ever see a video that kind of guy ever see it not so much you it's it's gonna go it'll be a tale of the tape but he got some licks in he didn't he he got a couple rounds for sure but

So two guys, and they're kind of walking around. One of them was in the gym. And they're older. They look like they've been going to gyms, you know, since the fucking 70s or something like that. Like, very comfortable in the gym environment. Old dude. One of them was wearing, like, velour tracksuit. The Armenian element is coming into play. Not to stereotype. Sure. And they're kind of like badass dudes. They're kind of looking around the gym at other people. And they may or may not be, like, kind of... giggling or snickering at somebody's size of their weight. Like, oh, he's only been doing fucking 30-pound curls. Pussy! Okay, yeah. So, that vibe's out in the air, and then I'm in the sauna posted up with all my goonies. These two guys walk in. The only thing that they've done to alter their look is take their shirt off. They got shoes and socks on in the sauna? They're wearing pants, Hanes underwear, cell phone in hand, Socks and shoes standing in a sauna. And they were shamed by this collection of frail, broken real estate agents and guys who play golf. All of us were looking at him in a Care Bears, Power Ranger kind of style and our combined hatred towards them forced their energy out. They stood in there and everyone was like... are you fucking you know like judging them silently with the eyes and they left within like 30 seconds but just seeing a guy wearing shoes in the sauna i mean that's crazy that's crazy that's also obviously it doesn't feel like what are you gonna do walk home not that the sauna is not the sauna is the most sanitary place but that doesn't help you know tracking in who knows what from the mean parking lots of glendale come is come come is come but i'm i'm this guy's walking around it could be you know gum The fecal matter from an animal? Or worse? It could be anything. There could be blood. There could be remains of a human body. Sorry, I finished the shards, not to spoil anything. Damn, what the hell? I'm so proud of myself. I'm like, damn, yo, I'm like 200 pages deep in this book, and it's like, cool, you'll be halfway done in a week. I want to text Brett and find out who plays the hot guy that's bad on the TV show. I'm sure there's one coming. All right, we have a guest today. Old Friends of the Pod, Tan Lines, a great band here from New York City.

They have a new album that is coming out. It's called The Big Mess on May 29th on, I believe, Merge Records, which is very cool for a comeback. And, yeah, man, we go back with Jesse pretty far at this point. He's a fellow podcaster at one time. Yeah, he had a pod called NoFX, spelled... Not FX, like the beautiful television network, but more so like a special effects. Actually, not like that either. Not like NoFX, one of my favorite bands. Not like NoFX, which it's going to be tough. I know Tan Lines is a band, and I'll probably play one of their songs at the end of the episode, but there's a strong chance it'll be a NoFX song now at this point. But yeah, he had a pod, and I did his show, and he did my show. This was probably like... 2017 or something like yeah yeah yeah through the annals of pod history what can't white guys from go on us do is the question that we continue to ask here look this jesse's a father and and i'm sure eric i believe eric lives in connecticut now so these guys are really on in a okay these guys said i think they had this shit kind of sitting now we're gonna find out today but i feel like they might have had this shit sit in the can and merge was sniffing around you know merge saw what was happening with just like heaven fest you know and shit like that like let's see what let's see what jesse and eric have been up to and bang bang We get a Tanlines record, you know? So let's give him a buzz and see what's guan. Let's see what guan. Oh, this is huge for me personally. This episode of How I'm Gone is brought to you by TaskRabbit. Oh, baby, let me tell you something. This is not a joke. I use TaskRabbit a lot because I can't do anything. You need some art hung? TaskRabbit. You need a fucking something put together? A cabinet? Got to reach that cheese grater on the top shelf? TaskRabbit. Anything you need. TaskRabbit can take care of it for you. And I mean, how it works, TaskRabbit connects you with skilled taskers in your area. They can help you move. They can assemble furniture, repairs, yard work, mounting, and more. You can search for a tasker based on cost, skill set, availability, and past client reviews so you know exactly who's showing up and can have confidence that they know what they're doing because taskers have assembled over 3.4 million pieces of furniture, completed 700,000 home repairs.

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What are, what are the, are those free with purchase? They were free with like being in a band in 2011. Okay. Okay. So you got some, you got some skull candies on. No problem. I was thinking about, we got 10 lines here. What's going on, Jesse and Eric? Uh, so back to skull candies. Think about that name. It's like candy for your skull. You know what I mean? So as a couple of audio files, what have you guys been up to lately? Just banging out that skull candy, you know? Which I guess could also, skull candy is what your music could be described as as well, right? Yeah, it's like a cousin of the earworm. Yeah. It's a Gen Z earworm. Yeah. Because earworm, that sounds like it gives me the ick, but what you just said, yummy. It's packing more punch. But no, seriously, what's going on, guys? You know, we are just back out here after like eight years in the wilderness. Got an album coming out, starting to talk to people, starting to hit post again. So you guys saw what was happening out there and you were like, you know what? We're leaving money on the table. Let's be honest about what's going on. I had a feeling like leaving money on the table would come up on this podcast. I didn't expect it to happen so quickly. And minute one. What do you know? No, no, I'm kidding. I'm kidding. Because I was, you know, I'm a known Tanlines fan. I'm on the record as a Tanlines fan. So I was very happy to see this. It is unexpected. Oh, I'm surprised. Of all the people, I thought you guys were good. Whatever you were doing, you were doing it, and you were all set. You know, there was a global pandemic, and I suspect that played a little part in this musical creation. Am I correct, fellas? I'm going to say no to that. Wait, are you a COVID truther too? My man. I thought, okay, sick. I knew you were cool. Jesse, we don't need to get into the politics of your beliefs or anything like that. Just keep it to the music, please. I hear you, Chris. I am surprised too. I'm surprised also. Not that I thought I left music behind. Eric certainly never did. I did more than Eric did.

not that we're doing another album but that it's like it's on merge we're out there it's like putting it out in front of the world it's just like another it's like lp3 i i didn't really But Eric's been grinding on this music for this whole time. So are you saying that Eric maybe did some heavy lifting and sent you some zip files and it was like, all right, chief, throw some shit on this now? Pretty much. Okay. Pretty much. And then, of course, I had to get to work on the marketing side. You're like, this album sounds great. Good job, Eric. Here's what we're going to do for the video. It's going to be a Zoom call. That's me. 100%. exactly what happened no no no and i also have been a fan of tan lines for a long time i was saying in the intro jesse and i have potted before on both of our respected shows and i was actually ironically telling a story about saunas on the intro as well while i was in the sauna today one hour ago tan line song played over the speakers in the sauna well so in in equinox shout out to equinox there's they play music in two zones So the main gym is kind of like the little more mainstream kind of pumping music. And then the sauna is indie classics. I've heard some of them jeans remixes in the locker room area before. And tan lines will fit into the locker zone. They play tan lines where guys are jerking each other off versus kind of gaining muscle mass. I don't know what that is. That's weird to me. Losing mass, gaining mass, lots of stuff. It's on brand. If I had like a half a penny for every time someone heard a Tailwind song at an Equinox, I'd have exactly as much money as I have right now. Eric, did you move to Connecticut pre-COVID? That would be crazy. Okay, so you moved to Connecticut when you were forced out by Fauci. It was a long time coming, honestly. Do you have roots in Connecticut?

No, does anybody? Well, I mean, you're technically white, so I thought maybe, but I don't know. Maybe Julian Casablancus might have some roots there. Your kids, I'm sorry to break it to you, but your kids are going to have roots there. Damn, when you become the root. You ever have any... parents on this show before yeah is this the first yeah we got a lot of we've got a lot of parents on the show yeah definitely definitely we don't we don't have anything in common with them but we've had them on the show before and we've had lots of parents on and we usually prop for poke and prod them as much as we're doing to you guys good yeah you guys are like bizarro version of us that's how i see you you're like yes we didn't have kids you know You guys talk about, I'm like, I'm right there with you. Okay, this is the theme of the show then, fellas. There's something here. We feel around in the dark for something meaty to grab, and I think this is it. Because as somebody, as people like Chris and I who don't have kids at all, usually when you look at people who do have kids, sometimes I'm like, oh, that's really sweet. You're sharing a beautiful moment with your child, heartwarming, overwhelmed with joy and love, et cetera. But 90% of the time, you're like, Pretty glad I don't have kids right now when you see something terrible happen. And obviously, you know, that happens to you guys as well on both sides of the coin. So when you look at us as people who don't have kids. Oh, no, I mean, I agree with Eric. Mostly I see you as like an aspirational duo of like what my life could be like if I lived in L.A., didn't have kids and wasn't Jewish. Okay. All right. It's like, oh, I have disposable income. And like my biggest problem is like what to order at Air One. I can play tennis at 245 on any day. Look, to be fair, you live that life for a while. It's not like your kids are 16. That's true. You know what I mean? You don't have any high school age. That's true. That's true. But it was in the pre-fitness era. It was in the pre-wellness era for me, at least. That's true. Eric, how old are your kids? Are your kids older or are they the same age? They're young. They're six and...

Almost three. So they think you're a freak or what? My daughter's a little more accepting of what I do. I love the idea of a three-year-old being like, I have some thoughts about your career choices so far, father. I mean, look, do we need to do this album, dad? I don't know. I know the label called you or whatever, but like... Merge is totally dope. I get it, but like... Okay, so... free wellness. I mean, I guess we are kind of living in a bizarro world version of you, and you guys are a bizarro world. Yeah, no, you guys are living the third wave dream. Yeah, the third wave dream. But also because Chris and I, sorry to interrupt, Chris and I are both people who love music but cannot play it or perform it at all, so that's sort of where the coin is flipped. Sorry, Eric, I cut you off. And yet you're touring. I mean, I'm deeply jealous of anyone who can play an instrument at a reasonable clip as someone who was always too lazy to learn that. Touring is not the fun part of being able to play an instrument, though. I would say it's one of the worst parts, unless you're trying to escape your family, which I'm not trying to. Unless you're trying to escape your family or make a new one. Touring, the one hour of being on stage is fun. Everything else sucks. It's funny how much work has been done to sort of explode the mythos of touring. Yes, yes, yes, it's over. When we grew up, it was like, oh my God, touring is like a dream. Now you just hear musicians and people complaining about it so much. It's true. You really do. The problem is musicians now aren't willing to admit that they just ain't popping enough to sell tickets and they have to make it about mental health or routing or gas prices or Brexit. They can't just admit my shit ain't popping and no one wants to come see me. I think it's a little all of the above. No, it is.

almost no one's canceled a sold out tour okay so that's that's my point but like when you were like you're saying when you're younger you're like dude i get to be in a van with my best friends smoking weed and then we go to a different city every night explore a town fuck some chicks fuck some dudes play music make a little scratch do it all over again and then when you're old when you're our age you're like I got to be in a van with all my friends. Oh, fuck. We did a few because like our tan lines kind of took off. We were already in our 30s by then. So we were like in the bridge era between what you're describing and where I'm at right now. There were definitely some trips that were like felt like business trips. They're like, oh, I got a work trip to go on, you know? Yeah. That's what I tell my chick too. You know, I do want to say like all those things are true. It is like not. It's hard. Like it's not. you know working in a coal mine but it's you know it's it's a version of being a truck driver you know but As much as that can be whatever tough, but I do think the highs, it's just like everything. The highs are usually high enough to propel you. If you're lucky enough, once those highs start to run out, then you're just like, why am I doing this? The highs for me, what I figured out works for me is sitting backstage in some disgusting green room and kind of watching the Shopify notifications come in from the merch that's selling. In the Shopify era you were doing music stuff? No, he's talking about last month. No, this is right now. This is how long gone. Oh, you're touring now. We're talking about our burgeoning podcast tour that we're on. No, in my era, it was even cooler. I remember meeting our tour manager in a parking lot and him giving me $35,000 in a bag in cash. Yeah. That is the good old days. I remember on a tan lines tour, finishing a tan lines tour in L.A. and having all of our cash in socks and going to the, like, Armenian city bank wherever in the Armenian neighborhood and like deposit taking out all these socks and depositing the cash it probably I mean if it was in little Armenia it probably was just another day for them like oh just put the socks there and yeah the striped ones have the 20s and the regular okay we do this all the time it's fine yeah that is that is the loss that's the unfortunate part of

The thought of having to sit in some office that smells while some like rockabilly chick writes me a check for $3,000. settling while jason's drunk like having the time of his life and i'm i'm like okay like can we hurry this up can you just give me cash i don't want to check i don't want to talk to you i don't want to know anything about you just give me my money and let me fucking leave you're the drummer then chris i'm the tour manager i'm the front man i'm the i do it all i'm the drummer yeah the drummer i feel like there was always in the band the person who could like settle and like talk to people and like handle shit and usually it's the drummer because they had the most physical responsibilities anyway, right? Yeah, true. They had to maintain all of the equipment, whereas the singer could just walk in and sing, I guess. That's a good point. And also they have the most shit to load in and load out to, I guess. The poor drummers, Chris. I'm sorry. I'm feeling for you, bud. Well, I mean, the thing is with bands, though, in my experience, there's only one guy in the band who really cares about what's going on. You know, as far as, like, the finances going, like, when you're the manager, they're like, did you talk to the agent? Did you do this? Did you do that? And then the rest of the guys in the band fake care if it's like money related, but they don't really care what's going on. They're just kind of along for the ride. And if there's more than one guy that cares, it's kind of problematic. And who in talents do you think is that person? Definitely you. Yeah. Eric is an artist. I can see it in his hair. And it's just a different – he's got a different approach. Eric has found out how to manage his raising children and his edible addiction. in a healthy way all of his synthesizers he's good to go but the thing i do like about touring even if it is shitty and it's a lot of work is that it gives you a north star of a thing that you're doing with your life at that at that moment or for that month or whatever for that summer like you never you always wake up and be like all right i know exactly what i have to do what i'm working towards and there's no like what am i gonna do today this is how i describe the thing that's hard about it the thing that's maddening about touring is like each day the

variables are the same and how they play out is like really unpredictable so like there's the wake up there's the drive there's the town check there's the dinner there's the show and there's the hotel or whatever and like the day you think that like oh we got this great hotel like whatever that's what the whatever happens to the show will be fine that's the day like something's fucked up with the hotel and the show turns out to be amazing and like you just you can't quite predict what's gonna be the thing that day that goes really well and that doesn't go well because it's usually one and the other and it's maddening because it's repetitive but unpredictable. I just went to Chicago and I was on the set of a television show for the first time. And the camaraderie that I felt even being there for 48 hours reminded me of what like a summer on warp tour is like, where it's like everybody, there's all these people they're from far flung. Nobody was friends before this. And they're all like banded together to complete this task in a way that like, I don't know what else you can compare it to really. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah, the Army. And that's why co-stars have affairs. You know, it doesn't feel like real life. Interesting, Chris. We had some business trips to Chicago back in the day. You do jobs there. You do jobs there? We had a job in Chicago this week. That's how the old-timers really talk about doing shows. They do say we had a job. We had a job. We had a Gobern. Run the wagons up to Pitchfork Fest. We're on at 2.45. We never got inside the gates, but we did get a great offer to play the after-party game. Yeah, I've DJed a lot of Lollapalooza after-parties where me and Washed Out at 7.15 at a Hard Rock Hotel lobby. It's going to be a legendary night. It's decent work. I'm grateful for every opportunity. I know. I love opportunities. I love opportunities as well. I mean, to be like, hey, here's $1,500 to get blackout drunk on tequila. There's worse ways to make a living in this world. Much. I guess the obvious question is then, are we hitting the road or are we trying to avoid that at all costs? That's the funny thing. So the first thing anybody says after this, oh, you didn't break up. Are you going on tour?

what does touring look like is it just is it really just the two of you you could throw some gear i mean you know like we could do a nice thing about it we yeah we were able to tour in like a station wagon and we could do fly-ins the thing i like so much about tan lines is like we were able to do fly-ins like weekends yeah you know jobs on the weekends and it's easy you know it's not the production of the drummer and the bass player and the other guys if there's a band that drops out the last second for the opening of a uh store in halifax they can hit up that would be great for it and do it and that happened and that that was a that was a big part of our living for a long time was that and also they were like we also hit the spot where just like they've got a small footprint there would be perfect openers so You know, we did that a bunch also. So, like, it really feels like a hybrid between a band and a DJ in terms of the production and ease of sitting up and sitting down. Yeah. Traveling, doing weekenders, not needing any. Backline, though. We did need some backline. Get a little backline. It's a couple hundred bucks. And then, you know, you rack up the miles. Speaking of touring and backlines and things like that. Did you guys see the story? It was like a week ago, Kristen, it told me about a Rosalia concert in South America. It was in Peru. Okay, so it was in Peru. Basically, the singer Rosalia, she was very popular in Peru. She was doing a South American tour, and I guess she did not do a date in Peru. So her fandom was so strong there that they recreated her in very intense live stage production. It's like they built the whole soundstage. dancers all the choreography was the exact same as her show they had people impersonating her as the singer and they sold out what was it 4 000 tickets 4 000 tickets to essentially like a high school recreation play of her show that's currently touring right now it's like they used to call it a tribute band yes it's basically a tribute what i hadn't heard that but what's interesting now is like production is such a huge part of

tour like so much of what you're paying for is like their production so like you can't just have somebody up there doing rosalia songs to recreate the experience you also have to have a production cover yeah and they had they had a guy with the steadicam filming and like the live project like holy down to the exact same There was like a scene where I saw her, the real version of her, where all like she has like 20 dancers and they form a human motorcycle. And then she straddles it and sort of mimics that she's riding a motorcycle built out of her 20 dancers. And on the screen behind her is like a road going by really fast. And they're like, just watch it on YouTube and recreated this like. insane fucking thing. I love that. I'm very proud of them. I'm very proud of them. I love that. Yeah. I mean, hopefully they don't, hopefully they don't put musicians out of work, but Hey, relax. Okay. It's not AI coming for your jobs. That's, that's the thing that, that's the thing that's really weird about it is like, you've seen tribute shows like that where it's like, I'm going to do, you know, Elton John or whatever, you know? but to see it happening in real time with the current show that's currently being toured right now, and they're like, yeah, we just sold a 4,000-seater out. What does that mean? How did they bill it? How did they bill it? In Peruvian. The Daily Mail didn't have that information. This was mainly just kind of like, whoa, look at this. It was more of like a, that's crazy. Yeah, I mean, just legally speaking, how did they bill that? I mean, could you imagine being Rosalia and watching the video of that? Non-stop crying, I'm assuming. Rosalie is a freak. She loved it. They once sold knockoff tan lines t-shirts outside of the Fonda. So I can kind of relate. What have you guys been doing? Yeah, I mean, things were definitely kind of slowing down for us after our last album. And I had my son. You came over to my house, I think, right before. Right in that moment. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I definitely took a...

Couple years off to just be a stay-at-home dad. I love that for you. The hottest guy at the playground. Hey, what's up? Yeah, I'm on paternity leave. And then after a few years of that, I started what I'm calling my corporate era. Someone came and asked if I wanted to join. I was on the social team at YouTube. I did that for a couple of years. And then I did another. in-house like marketing brand gig at nike and wow you really are one of us yeah you really you turned into an agency slut just like we did no i'm in-house i've only done in-house that's because you need insurance for all these children it's different you know if i die no one cares you know i don't need no one cares there's no one to pay out you know it's fine that's right no i knew you had done some of that i didn't realize it i knew i remember i think i remember the youtube job but i didn't realize that's um So you have like a full career now, basically. I mean, I'm not right now. I left my last job because I didn't want to relocate. So I'm currently like doing, and I started to do music more again at that point. Exactly. No one wants to move to Portland. No one wants to move to Portland. No one wants to move to Portland. I get it, bro. Well, Eric, what were you doing? Were you just beasting in the underground and slapping the bass? I copied him. I did the same thing. He's like, well, I'll have a kid. Really? I better have a kid, too. Oh, shit. And so we had the kid. Shit. We're like two stay-at-home dads. And we're like, you know what? We should make a kid's album already. Oh, yeah. You did make a kid's album. Yeah. LP2. EP2. EP2. EP2. Chill, chill, chill, chill. Noted, noted. You know, I've always had a studio. I've always been writing and producing music. That's just what I do. It's all I do. So I just kept writing songs and making songs. catalog here. Do you ever want to come and sing on something? What are you drinking? I'm drinking a smoothie. I know. What's in it? Great question. Blueberry, banana, milk, protein powder, almond butter. Sounds very similar to my smoothie. Banana, blueberry, you can't really lose with it. Is that all you've had today? It is, yeah. But it's still only 12.30. Don't worry. I'm going to feast on some sushi tonight. I was just out in LA with my kids.

And we went to Sugarfish with them. Jason would call that child abuse, but go ahead. Look, if I had kids, I'd be going to Sugarfish too, brother. I'm ready to describe myself as basic, but it blew their minds. Really? Oh, yeah. We had to go back. I mean, that's cool. I always wondered if I had kids, if they would be the type of kid who would instantly take to exotic foods like eating sushi at three years old or whatever. Or if they would just rebel against that. They would do the latter. I've been trying to feed my kid chicken nuggets for years, and it's just not taken. Good! Whatever you want, do the opposite. Okay, their first word was umami. Every time I see people bring kids to LA, I'm like, what do they come to this wasteland to do besides hopefully get nice weather? Or was there a Disney trip involved or something? All of the above. I mean, honestly, we haven't really traveled very much with them in the last few years, so we just wanted to go someplace that felt really far away, so we went there and we went to Disneyland and we went to... joshua tree and oh the whole thing oh yeah and and they had to hang out with our friends that live out there and stuff it was yeah what part of what part of silver lake did you stay in we on yeah that's about right the answer is yeah the answer is yeah i i i really love that you know i feel like you guys are dads that keep it real which is always refreshing because you know even in my even in my off mic life you know there's a lot of guys oh man it's just so sick bro like I just you know man it's just every day is a gift and I'm like you are full of shit like this is not a gift every day nothing is a gift every day it's just not realistic yeah it's all I can do I love being a dad but it's not what you just said it's just yeah i think it's always somewhere in the middle if you're the type of person that complains about how bad it is all the time that's just as bad as somebody who says no one wants to hear about this is also how i think about it kids are great parents are horrible so like kids are great parents are the worst so like one of the things about being a parent is like you get to be around kids who are like

great and interesting and weird and fun and annoying and like they give an older person additional reasons to challenge themselves and stuff like that but then you also become a parent you sort of transition into your parent form which is tough but you so so like how they say there's no such thing as bad dogs just bad dog owners same kind of thing with with kids and parents so So you're kind of saying like every year at the playground, you see all these kids and their mind hasn't been tainted by the ills of the world yet. They're still these perfect, kind creatures for the most part. And then you look at the parents and you're like, this kid's going to grow up to be a piece of shit because their parents suck dick. Not literally. Yeah, I mean, yes and no. I have two kids. They're like insanely different. If you had asked me like nature versus nurture before I had kids, I would have said what you just said. Oh, yeah. Nurtures everything within like a week or within three hours of having a kid. I was like, nature's big. It's not everything, but it's very big. Nature's huge. Nature's huge. Nature's huge. Don't sleep on nature. I don't want to make this a parent conversation, but I do think the challenge is like. having the self-awareness and honesty to recognize like who, that your child is an individual and what their, what their personality is like, and then put your shit aside so you can actually like listen to and raise that person, not the version of that person that you want. And you know, it's, that's the challenge. I don't know if I'd ever be able to do that. That sounds really difficult. Oh, hell no. But I do like one of those little fucking records. Everyone does it though. There's six, there's 8 billion people in the world. It's not interesting. This is another thing. I'm just dropping my parents up because you asked for it and then I'll move on. I know. It's interesting. I've been waiting for this stuff. The challenging thing for some people is like, on a macro level, having a kid is the most normal, basic, boring shit in the world. Literally 8 billion people were babies. For yourself, it's this really huge change.

right yeah it's like this major change for you some people get really lost in that they think it's because it's really interesting to them it's interesting to everybody it sounds like when you start a podcast yeah Yeah, it's the same impulse. And you're like, my life is forever altered in the annals of Spotify, and everyone else is like, oh, great, you have a podcast. Cool. So does my fucking aunt. That wasn't true. That wasn't true back in the Tall Tales days. That's true. Oh, here we go. Don't gas him. Don't gas him up. He's like, bro, I mean, me and Corolla were neck and neck for a minute. I mean. Look, Howard's cool. Howard's cool. I like Howard. I like him. But I just think he took it a different direction. Did you see the article about dating bro podcasters, brocasters in the Times? It didn't apply to us, even though we've been called a brocast. And I'm sure you have as well over the years, Jesse, with your show. He's like, no, I haven't. But, you know, there is a... I love... What the fuck are you talking about? I love that there's a stigma attached to being a... Podcasting, bro. The article is pretty funny because it was almost like it was like this. I don't even know what they were comparing it to, but it was very much like these guys kind of have these qualities. They love to hear themselves talk. They have these attitudes, which I'm sure there's obviously some truth to. But I guess every time something like that happens with podcasting, I'm like, is it really this popular? Is it really this popular where there was enough women to interview that were like, oh, yeah, I went on a date with this guy at a podcast and it didn't work. I didn't like it. I forget every day that it's that popular, honestly. You would know how popular it is. I'm assuming you're checking the Shopify back-end version of Spotify for Artists. Yeah, but popular in a way. But that's like there's bands that the four of us could sit here and talk about for two hours that most people have no idea what the fuck we're talking about. You know what I mean? It's like that. kind of thing where it's like it feels niche but i think it's not actually that niche and i think there's also this like it's like a new bucket to put people into you know like a style of person now

So I think that's kind of easier to understand. It's not about, like, it's just a new thing that, like, is gaining traction. But I would say most people still don't listen to podcasts. No. Like, in the scheme of things. Oh, I can tell you from doing one for several years in what I would call the late early podcast boom. It wasn't, like, the early boom. It was the end of the early boom. Yeah, yeah. Right, Jason? Yeah, it's last few breaths. Before this. next era the question that i saw nobody asking is what what i think they really mean is like i don't want to date a podcaster who's not rich from it like i feel like if if you're like oh i'm a podcast host and i make five million dollars a year i think everyone's going to be kind of okay with that it's more of just like yeah i got my show we talk about magic the gathering in my basement and I think it's really going to take off and we're going to go to Twitch soon. That kind of shit. Then you're like, okay, God. That's 99% of people who do podcasts. Anything. Same as bands. But it's bands. It's like... sexy if you're in a band. Being in a band, there are a lot of people who will date you if you're in a band that's not successful. Good point. I've seen it for years and years of my life. Oh, wait. You know that movie that I just saw, Jonah Hill's a podcast, bro. That must be why they wrote that article. Oh, the movie, the Eddie Murphy movie? You watch that? Yeah, you people. Yeah, he's a podcast, bro. I feel like that's... tied into that conversation. Yeah, you're probably right. I didn't watch that because people told me it was literally the worst thing they've ever seen. People acted like it burned their skin from watching it. It was so bad. I don't think that's possible. I'll watch anything. The only thing I'll really remember about that movie was we watched halfway through the movie, I realized that Jonah Hill's character's name is Ezra Cohen, which is my older brother's name. Oh, I forgot it's all about Judy, is it? He's a Jew, and it's like the black family, the Jewish family, understanding one another through sneakers. Yeah. One of the families, though, I hope you're sitting down, is from Beverly Hills, and the other one's from The Hood. Did you watch it, Jason? I did watch it. Okay. You haven't been answering that question. Just like we didn't answer if we're going on tour, you didn't answer. Jonah's a friend and a listener, so I don't really...

If you can't say nothing good about it, don't say nothing at all is kind of where I think Jonah probably knows that it's bad. I enjoyed watching it. It's an airplane movie. It's an airplane movie. Yeah, I bet it did fucking numbers, too. I bet that thing did fucking numbers. They had these sepia-tone montages in between all the scenes with, like, Run the Jewels instrumental B-sides playing over it. Not Run the Jewels. And, like, supersticial B-roll of... sneakers on a wall and things like that people looking at hoodies you ain't even got the sean wortherspoon 97s bro you're you're wow and the and the wedding floral arrangement was one giant witherspoon 97 as well spent the whole budget on that not to okay let's not talk about that anymore though i want to talk about seth rogan's little comments because i thought that was pretty interesting this what he said this week he said that he basically is saying criticism hurts people's feelings and should go away he's basically saying that like If critics knew how bad it hurt us as multi-millionaire actors, they wouldn't say the things that they say. And people were like, bro, you need to get a fucking grip. Like, this is not, you don't live in reality. Seth Rogen said that? That's right. Well, was he basically saying that, or was that your interpretation of what he was saying? No, that is what he said. He was like, I don't think critics would say what they say if they knew how much it affected us. I have a question. Are there podcast reviews? Yeah. Are there podcast critics? Yes. Have you ever had a bad review? Well, I mean, on Apple and Spotify... people can leave. That's comments. I'm not talking about comments. That's the same thing. We haven't had any hit pieces or takedown things. Any rough criticism, but we've, you know. Which is honestly incredible. I'm shocked. It makes no sense. But we've definitely had a couple, taken a couple jobs. Everyone gets it. Not because of your show. Of course. Oh, I don't, but my whole point is that Seth Rogen, obviously stuff affects people, but you can't let them see you sweat. That's the whole thing. You're better than them. I'm surprised he said it, and I don't know why he would. Because I think he's high and too revealing. He's very revealing. He probably revealed too much.

I heard a... Simply put. I remember a Seth Rogen story that he told on a late night show once, like 15 years ago. It stuck with me. He said that one time he was on set somewhere on the back lot and he was talking to Will Smith. They were chatting and whatever, and he'd never met him before. And then like a tour bus came through, like one of those tours. And Seth Rogen saw it and was like, oh, shit, we should, like, get out of here probably, right? And Will Smith saw it and he, like, stopped the conversation, walked straight to the tour bus, shook everyone's hand, posed for photos. And he was like, that's why I'm Seth Rogen and he's Will Smith. Interesting, Chris. And out of the two of us, I'm the Will Smith handshaker of the two and Chris is the Seth Rogen. retreater something to think about chris i don't i don't smoke weed or make bad pottery so let's fall back on that but there are some similarities in this like this specific instance um yeah will also not a guy who takes criticism well first of all i should say that most of the most of the reviews and stuff we've ever gotten was just like nice music guys seem cool and then just like not not never not putting us all like on the year-end list like we were you know it was just sort of like cool shrug nice or like i'm happy when this comes on at the equinox it's good it's delightful and pleasant and nice to listen to i don't have anything bad to say about it for some people that's probably not enough for some people probably including eric i would say that's not that's not enough as the like lyricist and person who like is actually singing it and has to put more of his like emotional self into this thing whereas i'm just like a guy hitting buttons and like whatever i don't know for like a long time i sort of had that artist mentality that was like critics are just like um you know people who think that can they who try to turn consume consumption into an art form that's that's the sort of diss that i've generally thrown at critics yeah and i still think that that's kind of true like i'd rather be like a failed person a failed artist or a person who made something than a person who just like buys things and writes about them with all due respect

to those people hey jesse first of all usually they're given the album for free they don't have to buy it so let's kind of you know yeah that's true that's kind of a plus of the job yeah yeah but do you do you believe i i agree with all of that but do you believe that criticism is an art form in itself it can be i think it's rare that it is but i definitely think it can be and i definitely think they play like a pretty important role in the like ecosystem especially for like artists that are not used to being checked in any way when whatsoever um yeah so i think they play an important role but like i'm also like not you know i don't really remember much that has ever been said about us because i just like float along on the undue sense of self that i have well they're probably scared because they they know you're kind of a known doxer you know kind of like so they don't want to mess with Tan Lines. We'll unleash the Stan army on them. Do you guys have a name for your Stan army? We used to joke about burn victims, which is really about sunburn. I once thought Tan Lines was funny. Like ATL-ians, but Tan Lines? Tan Lines spelled wrong. but i uh you know we were never really confronted with this problem i think usually the fandom names themselves anyway well welcome to 2023 baby times are changing get on reddit and see what they're calling themselves you got you got some beauties sitting there ready to go whenever the time arises what do you call your what do you call your fans goners i guess people just call themselves goners yeah or a gone girl if you identify as a female yeah affleck lover great film You like that movie, Eric? Gone Girl? I think the book was better. Classic 10 lines reply. Let's talk about syncs. Oh, yeah. I knew this was coming. Sync Talk. You guys, you know what this is, Jesse. So for listeners at home who don't know, interesting story of a sync that ended up being a wonderful sync for your career and your bank account or the opposite, a shitty tale of...

A sink that got away. I spent some time thinking about this as I was listening to back episodes to get ready. And I think I would put us in the King Princess category of it never really happened in that department. We got a good amount of TV and movies, I guess. But commercial stuff, I can't think of a single campaign that used one of our songs. Ever. Yeah, I remember a lot of TV popping up. I don't think we ever got a commercial. What is the most proud television or film scene? You can only say one episode of Girls, not a whole season. No, it was the New Girl. New Girl? New Girl. We were a New Girl band, not Girls band. Not Girls. And that's a pretty good way to describe where we fit into the culture at that time, I would say. Because everyone talked about the music that was on Girls, and it was like a... Way to break through. We were on The New Girl, which has actually had really strong longevity. You know that, like, teenagers love watching that show. Yeah, I think it's in syndication. I think it's in syndication. Yeah, it does really well on Netflix, too. My nieces watched, like, all of them. I'm like, why? She's, like, 16 and hates millennials. I think she just kind of does it as, like, a hate watch. Yeah, no, I think that's part of the reason Friends got so popular, too. Same kind of shit, where it was like, these people, this is crazy that they live like this. I think New Girl is a good look. There's a movie called Endless Love. Is that right? We were in? Endless Love. I know because I was just in my parents' house and they have the DVD. My mom bought it because we're on it. That's kind of sweet. Your mom's just like our moms. There are some songs, though, that sound like us that every year during March Madness I get text messages asking about whether... Wow, you guys are still killing it on the... Which Imagine Dragons song is it? Yeah, by the way, kids love Imagine Dragons. Kids are keeping that band alive. Well, you know who else loves Imagine Dragons now are the gays because the singer has revealed himself as absolutely shredded. Kids like shredded guys too. He took his shirt off and it literally looks like an ad for a gym. He's so ripped, it's crazy. And everybody's like...

I could look past the music, you know. So, I don't know, Eric, do you have any sync stories you want to share? There is a browser called Bing. Do you guys know about it? How every good story begins. Yeah, of course. Yeah, we know about it. Okay, my brother and I made a song that they sampled, they used in that original campaign for Bing. And that ran like crazy. It was all over for a very long time. Like, it's very possible a channel wouldn't exist if that hadn't happened. For sure, yeah. It allowed me to have a lot of opportunity. And I will only use that browser. Is that right? Just like cosmically, it's the right way to do it? Right way to browse? Yeah. Yeah, let me bring that for you. Pretty cool. So Bing is great. I love it. Yeah, great product. This band is literally brought to you by Bing, whether they realize it or not. Bing! Actually, I've never asked, how did you guys meet? Eric used to have a studio with his brother in Greenpoint. that like my old band recorded there my old band was called professor murder that's right and um we went over there and obviously eric and i had chemistry so the relationship started and uh just kind of continued i used to hang out there i used to stay stay there sometimes yeah he came over one night and we just made a beat that was how it happened we were just hanging out having beer and we're like let's have a make a beat We did it. Make a beat. I love it. This is like Metro Boomin' and 21 Savage. We were just hanging out, we made a beat, and it was just kind of on. It was just the studio life. And when you wake up and the beat is still tolerable, that's when you know you got something. Yeah. I wanted to ask about the name of the album. It really reminds me of when you go to a diner and there's a large breakfast. The Big Mess, you know what I mean? I'm assuming this is not related to any... foods or anything though no it's not um but you know it's kind of just about life and life is like you know a food is a part of life so i guess in some abstract way you could say that yeah i mean you know my my there's a song on that uh album called the big mess and we named it after that we've never done a title track before that always felt like a little bit like a cop out to me except in this instance it seemed like actually the right thing to do because it kind of encapsulates the whole thing

you know the journey journey also i think we've um i'm not i don't put words in eric's mouth but like i think one thing we've always done as a band is put showing the work we've like put ourselves we're not like i've never been able to relate to like the xx type aesthetic where it's just like super minimal everything we do is like kind of messy out loud in my opinion If anybody bothered to write the trajectory of this band, they'd see every sort of step and misstep along the way, in my opinion. Doing a kid's record was part of that. I was like, this fits in exactly with where I'm at right now. We should get a record of it so that there's this moment in our... relationship as musicians is on the record so to speak so that's it you know at the end of the day it's like it's a bunch of stuff together but like it's a good breakfast hopefully and it's a mess that you're proud of yeah the departure in cover art was striking it's giving radio department okay first and foremost radio department i got i got you it didn't feel right to put a picture of the two of us on there yeah i like that because it's a different era um This record is honestly a lot more Eric. I know I'm doing most of the talking. That's our division of labor in Tanlines. But this is a lot more him. And he came to me and was like, I have this collection of songs and I want to do it as a Tanlines album. Give me your blessing and if you can, help me finish it. And I said, sure. And so then I got in there and worked on it also. it felt very different and so it just wouldn't feel honest to put the two of us on there um it's one guy it's one person it's like one ambiguously ethnic caucasian man instead of two who is this person exactly do you even know no well we know that the photo was taken by eric's wife's grandfather who was an ethnomusicologist in

Grease. He was actually a classics professor. They're recording folk music. But yeah, he took a bunch of photos, and that was one of them. It just jumped out at me, and I connected with it. It's a striking photo. It is. My joke about that guy is that we keep calling him this old man, and he was probably younger than us. It was a different time back then in Grease, wasn't it? It was a different time. All right, guys. Well, thank you for taking the time to pod your new song. uh outer banks is playing Right now, it's kind of slowly creeping up on the outro. And that has nothing to do with the hit show on Netflix, right? Just a beautiful coincidence. I mean, season three did happen to debut during the mix, the release of it. So hopefully it got an SEO bump. But other than that, no. Okay. And then maybe you'll tour. Maybe you won't. We're planning on playing live. Yeah, look out. Look out for it. Okay, guys. And then I just want to say I love you guys. I love the show. Oh, thanks, Aaron. Thanks for having us on.