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Hello. Hello. What's Gucci, my friend? What's really guat? You know, just having a little cold brew. A midday cup of cold mud? It is 11.45 a.m. I was moving a little slow today. I slept in. Were you up late watching television? No, not really. My kettlebell workout, I had to put on pause for like the last week or two because I think I pulled like a shoulder muscle of some sort. So I've been taking it easy. And yesterday I was the first day. First day back. First day out the feds. I was about to say. First day out. First day out. So back on the kettle. So it just. It wore daddy out. And then Bay gave me a deep tissue Theragun. Shoulder. Do you have notifications going off over there, Chris? No, sorry. That's not mine. Excuse me. Hold on. The noties. The noties just keep coming in. It's kind of interesting. Damn. I've never wanted a professional rubdown or machine rubdown in my life. It's crazy. I mean, it is crazy. I feel bad because my... All right, Chris. What? What's going on over there? What are you talking about? There's all kinds of sounds coming out of Quebec. Oh, weird. No, how about now, still? No, it's good. It's good now. Okay. Yeah, my girlfriend is a huge massage fan, as most people are, but she really sort of leans into it. She's got the Burke Williams membership. She's naked and afraid without it. And I have been the massage man now because I'm all she's got. And we know your weak ass ain't doing the job like a professional. That's not true. I put in my work hammer time, but it still just isn't enough. I'm like, bitch, I'm giving you this whole massage for free. I'm doing a 45-minute.

We're doing all kinds of things. I'm putting the elbow into it. Really going hammy. At the time, she's like, that's really great. I appreciate it. That's awesome. All the other times, it's like my massages don't even exist because they still don't compare to the real real. It's truly a profession that requires You just can't fake it. Yeah, you can't fake it. But also, I think it's easy to bullshit a good massage. I've learned. I think as long as you learn the basics, like, all right, you have an hour massage. You do 15 here. You do 15 here. You work the legs here. Then this, this. As soon as you get the recipe, anyone can do a pretty good massage as long as your hands are strong enough. But I think... It really takes somebody who's willing to really find all those little spots, work the corners, the trouble zones. I actually think massage therapy could be a cool job for me. I'm very interested in the human body and how it works. Yeah, I feel like I've pretty much already received my certification just by clocking the hours. Common law, I'm a common law masseuse now. Well, luckily, you know, there's not much else to do. So that 45 minutes, you're not going to get back and that's okay. And also when you're masseusing at home, you can sort of control your own narrative. I can put on whatever music I want. I can, you know, smoke a little something. I can, you know. A little something about pipe. You know what I'm saying? A little something about pipe. Put the AirPods in and get my little – read a book on tape. Read some articles of the day that I hadn't had a chance to. Just really zone out because like in a – I mean I find that I hold my attention most in my legs, which is where I need a lot of attention. Really?

Oh my God, my legs. I mean, it's always been that way, but especially like with this running, my legs are just fucked up, man. Just like fucked up. My calf muscles are just constantly in pain. Damn, dog. I know. And that's where your body's largest muscles are as well. Well, besides my brain, yeah, I would agree. So yesterday, I don't know if you followed this, but I, so do we talk about the kettlebell guy? Well, you mentioned that you know somebody who is the kettlebell plug. Yeah, well, I mean, I posted on Twitter, and I think the motherfucker made a lot of money off me. Because multiple people got in touch with me, like, yo, I'm caught from your man. He delivers at 5 a.m., and the prices are crazy, but he's killing the guy. He's the only one with it. And do you want some type of credit for this? I just want to – no, no. I just think it's an interesting time that people are willing to pay quadruple prices for dumbbells. How much is he charging for a belly? I paid for a 35-pound kettle, but I'll pay $1.40. Wow. And is he making them himself or is he just has some? I think he's – He has a gym, so I think he has a line on getting them at a good price right now, even though they're sold out everywhere retail-wise. Got it, got it, got it. I think he's getting them wholesale. The prices are crazy, but that's still less than eBay, and he delivers to your door the same day or next day. Right, right. There doesn't seem to be an issue. It seems like there's a chance it could be too good to be true, but it's checking out. It's checking out. Somebody that follows me on Twitter from the Wall Street Journal got in touch with him too, so there might even be a story about him. Is there an affiliate program that he has set up to make sure that you get credited for your influencing? He could at least give me a 25-pound kettlebell for free when I want to do a little light ab work. You know what I mean? He needs a brick man off. I mean, does he not know how this shit works? You know what I mean? You never sold drugs before, bro?

Yeah, the next time he sees you, he needs to come up to you with the envelope and be like, we had a good month, Christopher. I want to give this to you. We had a good month. And he drops on the ground six feet away and has to pick it up. I mean, I'm just happy people are able to cop. You know who's riding shotgun on my trip down south is that 35-pound belt. You're going to have so many kettlebells in the rented A4 that you're going to have to stop for gas twice as often. Exactly. Yeah, it's going to be like I got three fat passengers. I'm going to get the – I got the 35-pound belly and then I got berries. You know, berries bang my line and it hooked me up with the pack so I got all the bands and shit too. So catch me on the eastern seaboard at public parks just getting it in. It's going to be a fucking movie. I might need to get a tripod so I can really do this. Yeah, pivoting to video. I hear that's going to be very big in Q3. Well, now that Spotify is handing out these big-ass deals, I guess we got to do video too, right? I guess so. Yeah, and I think you inspired me. Because of my kettlebell injury, I've had to... uh, reduce the weight down to a 35. So I'm glad that we're back kind of in the same, you know, swimming in the same circles, I guess, you know? Well, I mean, it's not, you know, that's cute and all, but like I, but also clearly I had to downsize to a 35 because I injured myself terribly, uh, thinking I could do it with a larger one. That's also, yeah, that's a good point. That's a good point. Yeah. You are a pussy. Um, I, I, yeah, jokes on you. Um, but I, I don't, uh, I'm getting pretty excited about my trip. When is our departure date? My flight got fucked up already. I had a direct flight to New York and they already changed it. Now I have to lay over in Toronto for four hours before going back to New York. It's a little too good to be true. That's like an hour, two hour flight from Montreal to New York? Yeah, but it's just annoying because the whole point was I found one that's direct. This is fire. Let me buy this right now.

And then, you know, I mean, obviously there's bigger problems in the world. I'm not going to complain, but I'm going to complain. No, well, you complain now, but you're going to be so happy to just walk around the Toronto airport for four hours. You're going to be glad that you had four hours to do it. Exactly. It's an airport, unfortunately or unfortunately, I've spent a lot of time in my life. So I'll just get reacquainted. But you're an airport stand. You're going to love this. I'm George Clooney, baby. You're definitely going to get 1,500 words out of that. Easily. I can get 1,500 words out of nothing. It's like juicing an orange. Some oranges are better than others, Chris. That's true. I guess that's still happening. When is your departure date? June 1. June 1, Daddy's gone. Daddy's coming to America. And how long are you going to stay in troubled ATL? Well, I mean, I'm going to take a slow roll. I'm making a lot of stops on the way down to reconnect with the South and America in general. So, you know, I'm going to hit Richmond. I'm going to hit Charleston, go to the beach. I'm going to hit Asheville. I'm going to hit Nashville. And then I'm going to go to Atlanta. Wow. You're doing a white man's victory lap through the heartland of America. Well, I just feel like it's, you know, why not? Why not? You got nothing better, dude. And you still, I mean, I know that you extended the invitation to me and I have loosely considered it, although travel, flying across the country when I absolutely don't have to still gives me a bit of an icky feeling. Understood. But part of me wonders if this journey with... will be better alone. I kind of think it will be. Part of the reason I would invite you is because we could pod and it would be kind of funny to do it on the road. But otherwise, no, I think it will be good. I don't know. I feel like it will be spiritually awakening for me.

I do too. As long as you don't do drugs, we're going to have a great trip. I'm not going to do drugs, bro. Don't get tempted down there in the panhandle, Chris. I'm not going to the panhandle. If I went to the panhandle, you know I'd be in a pill mill lining up. I can't go to the top part of Florida. That's a fucked up area. I've been to Arkansas and I couldn't do it sober. I'm just saying. Well, that part of the country, I mean, the South is familiar to me. It feels like a hug. Arkansas, I mean, I've been to Arkansas, actually. It was fine, but I don't really recognize that part. I don't need to visit there. That's not my South. It's not my South. That ain't the South, bro. Let's keep it one fucking K. Arkansas ain't the South. Texas is its own country. Georgia, South Carolina, Alabama, Tennessee, Florida. Arkansas is pretty South. It's South, but it's middle. It's mid. Arkansas is a very mid-state. It's mid-south. Do you think anyone who lives in Arkansas listens to this podcast? Definitely. I mean, if we're popping in Austria, how can we not be popping in Arkansas? Well, I think there's a decent chance that they don't even have podcasts in Arkansas. It's very possible. I don't think Apple ships there, so they might not have phones either. It's crazy. Fuck you, Arkansas, dumbass. Fuck you, Arkansas. We should introduce our guest today. Legendary first wave blogger Brian Boy is joining us on the show today. A true OG of the shit who I think I've met sometime in my life, but I'm interested to get his take on the world today because he's also in Sweden with his husband. He's relocated. He truly does not give a fuck, much like the host of this podcast. Much like Sweden. Much like Sweden, yeah. But I just think it will be interesting to hear from someone on the front lines and what it means when you read, you know, influencers are over. This whole shit is over. This is changing everything. But, like, is it really changing everything? I'm going to say probably not, but I would rather hear from someone who makes his living.

A lot of his monetary income is from going places physically. I'm going to the Dior show. I'm going to this show. So I wonder if there's a way to replicate that income. Yeah, the Dior Zoom check doesn't hit quite the same. Dior Zoom check ain't hit at all. You know what I mean? But also, he had this really popular blog, and he kind of shut it down and shifted to Instagram pretty early, which I think is also interesting. Obviously, that proves foresight, but it also maybe – I feel like it was probably just like blocking his whack. I want to do this other shit. But it could have been more calculated than that. Or somewhere in between. All right. Well, let's give BB a ring ring. All right. All right. Jesus Christ. All right. Bye. All right. This episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by Quince. Jason, the temps are warming up. It's getting hot out there. Summer always changes how I get dressed. I need pieces that feel lighter. more breathable, and they're just easy but still put together. I don't want to look like a slob. That's why I keep coming back to Quince. They focus on high-quality essentials that feel and look amazing. Breathable linen and soft organic cottons, well-made basics but without the luxury markups. That rare balance where everything feels elevated. but still effortless. Yeah, Chris, linen season is here. I wore a linen blazer to dinner a few nights ago in the warm California sun. But you know, you got that Italy trip coming up this summer and quality European linen pants and shirts. Upgrade that look starting at just $34. You know, if you get a nice linen suit, a little t-shirt underneath it, some chill shoes, you're looking good, but you're staying cool. The inside of your special areas are nice and dry as you turn up with your besties. So elevate that summer wardrobe. Go to quince.com slash how long for free shipping on your order and 365 day returns, even on a nice holiday now available in Canada.

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I mean, Swedes in general already, they're already weird people. I mean, I love them. I mean, they're, you know, they're nice, but they have no emotions. They really, they were trained not to express their feelings, you know? So everyone's a bit cold, but once you get to know them, blah, blah, blah, they're fine. Once they're drunk, they're fine, you know? But everyone, it's like, imagine they're all like, robots you know like perfect good looking clones of one another but they're like robots that's that's swedes in general and they have this place where it's pretty it's beautiful it's perfect you know everything it's it's it's so surreal being here it's really i've never been but i i always wanted to go but there was never like a good reason really you know and then people would people would just be like oh it's so expensive and i'm like well how i live in new york how expensive could it be I mean, a glass of wine is like $25. That's pretty fucked up. Really? I mean, you know how, you know how, I mean, I mean, I've lived in New York for like nine years and I, you know, like at the time I would go to Boom Boom Room. It's like 15 bucks for a drink. It's like, okay, whatever, you know? But here in Sweden, it's another level of craziness. Like if you go to McDonald's, like a meal is like $12, $17. Like it's insane. Does it taste better than in America? Definitely not. It's too healthy. Oh, I get it. Yeah, it's very expensive. The taxes are ridiculous. But you know what? I mean, I know where my taxes go. Yeah, it's clean and everything works. I mean, that feels pretty good to me. I mean, we're just so used to the opposite of that in America. I think it sounds very good. Yeah. Where are you from originally, though, before New York? I was born in the Philippines, so I grew up there in Manila. Okay, okay, okay. Has living in Sweden given you a bit of a Swedish accent? Have you noticed that? Not yet. I mean, honestly, I don't know how to speak Swedish. And you don't plan on learning? I mean, I'm trying, but it's like learning bird language.

They sound like birds. Bird language. They don't. I mean, it's like the intonation. Everything's like weird, you know, like it's already for me, like even learning English, that's easy. Like, you know, you do that when you're young. But like Swedish is another level. I mean, I'm using TikTok actually to practice my Swedish because my average follower there is like eight years old. So I'm taking advantage of, like, the kids to kind of, like, teach me. Because, like, everybody speaks English here, you know? Like, so the moment, I mean, and Swedish doesn't really give you, like, a leeway. You cannot make a mistake. If you mispronounce a word, you know. They come for you. They're not going to understand you completely. Unlike English, you know, like, you can have so many different accents and it's fine. But in Swedish, like, there's really no room. error yeah damn i didn't know that damn they are serious fucking people huh that sounds like sweet your yeah your description of sweden is giving me anxiety already and i'm white exactly i'd fit in great over there i'm blondish blue eyes tall white oh you will and you like and you like overpaying for food i love overpaying that's actually a brand pillar for me is overpaying for sure I've noticed on social media, Brian, your shift to TikTok. Are you just trying to get down with the kids or is it like this is the only way to make money now? I mean, it's not about money for me because honestly, I've spoken to a few people who had like, I don't know, two or three million followers. They're not making money on TikTok. Really? Nope. So what's the point? Just fun? I think for me, it's just like, I want to, it's fun. Number one, it's fun. I have never had so much fun on a social media app before. Instagram is okay. It's all flexing. See, that's one word I learned from TikTok. Flex. It's a completely different audience. They have their own language. It's funny. People are free. I mean...

free to do anything it's kind of like how vine used to feel like when it first started it's just where you can be a little silly and and a dumb video of somebody falling on the ground is all you really need to get a enjoyment out of it i know but i think tiktok is a different level because there's so many people from everywhere and people are kind of like In a way, you're pressured to be creative. I mean, sure, you can just, like, stand there, take your shirt off, show off your abs if you're 15, and boom, you're going to get, like, 25 million views. Brian, I'm 37, okay? And that's how I'm going to approach TikTok, so I'd prefer if you didn't slander me before I even start my career. I am 38. Damn, so you are – dude, look, you're not the right age for TikTok. I'm glad you can thrive still. I mean, people are calling me old. You should have seen all these baby gays who are like 16, 18. I mean, for TikTok, you are old. We are all old. But that's okay. I mean, honestly, for example, there's all these baby gays in there who are like 16, 18. They're like, oh, I want to go to Grindr when I turn 18. I'm like, okay. Oh, my God. Wow. And then they're posting messages from 22-year-olds, 25-year-olds calling them old. Damn. I never realized that people who are under 18 can't get on a dating app. And they can't wait until that happens so they could join Grindr and start fucking. I didn't even... Put that together. That's a thing. Welcome to real life, you know? And then you have all these people like catfishing. I mean, it's a whole new vibe. And honestly, I have never laughed so much ever. Instagram is all fake. It's all bullshit. Yes. We know this. Yeah, but I kind of like that, personally. I don't know if I need to see the full unvarnished life of some people. I'm happy to see them primp, you know? But TikTok,

Are you dressing up? Is that why you're wearing the wigs and doing all the makeup and shit? I mean, I'm doing this to catfish people. So hold on. So you're dressing like a woman with a wig on TikTok to catfish people. Well, not yet, but I want to go on Tinder and sign up for an account on Tinder. and see if I can fish some straight guys. So are you in an open relationship with your partner? No. So when you would catfish them into thinking you are a woman, that's where it would stop. You would not then go have sex with these people? Of course not. Why would I? Well, some people like to have sex. I mean, yeah, of course, but I'm getting dick every night, so I'm good. Okay, congratulations. I think there's a thrill. You know, there's a thrill on, like, creating a character and then, you know, trying to see where the story goes, you know? Absolutely. It's just the idea of what kind of guy am I going to get if I dress up like this? The way you're dressing up is probably subconsciously or consciously trying to attract the kind of straight guy that you would want to attract. What is that type of guy? Someone with a lot of money and about to die. Okay. Okay. I'm kidding. So you're trying to attract some rich dick. I want to attract someone who would pay $800 for a foot pick. $800 for a foot pick. Okay. I like that we ask straight questions and you give us a straight answer. Exactly. A lot of people have a problem with that. $800 for a foot pick seems high. I don't really know. Do you know more about the gun? Brian Boy is shooting for the stars.

this is what people on tiktok are doing and i'm just following their lead i mean i'm sure it's an exaggeration you know but yeah well i mean fun yeah you can you can create a character and you know be whoever you want to be on tiktok whereas instagram you have to be you know this weird fake perfect creation in a way i mean i on my instagram i mean sure I'm living my life, but ever since this whole pandemic happened, it really hit me. It's like, my life is not real. What do you mean? Because all the good content is you traveling and wearing fabulous clothes and looking crazy? It's like the whole thing, just traveling nonstop, five cities around the world in a whole week, wearing clothes, going to so many events. None of it is real. I knew that we live in a bubble. Sure. But after this whole thing, it doesn't make sense. When is the last time your life was real? Today. When I put on my wig and I left it. That's real. But did the did the so are you saying that you want to change things or you're saying that this is just giving you some perspective because you're not going to. It's given me some some perspective completely. You know, like I guess we're at a time where we're all reassessing what we want to do or how to change things. And and for me, it's like, you know. I don't what I what I've been doing for like 10, 11 years of traveling nonstop, not having, you know, not being at home. And putting on clothes for what? Well, I mean, I think that for what is that you got to I mean, it seems fun from the outside, which I'm sure at times it is for you, too. Of course, it's fun. But at the same time, I mean.

You know, what did I do all of that for? You're having an influencer existential crisis right now. Oh, gosh. Well, do you think this do you think shit's really like, how are you going to make money then? What do you think is going to happen? I mean, for me, it's really not about the money. I mean, you can still make money in so many different ways. You know, like I've had so many jobs. I have a few jobs, you know, still going on, but at the same time, I mean, do I want to do this forever? Do I really want to be, you know, hawking goods to an audience online? And how long am I going to do this for, you know? Even if you want to keep doing it, the world is not going to let you do it forever, probably. That career has an expiration date on it. Of course. I mean, it definitely has an expiration date. Well, I mean, do you... I guess the fashion part of it particularly, though, you really like clothes, don't you? I love clothes, for sure. So you would be buying these clothes and doing this stuff whether it was your job or not, to some extent? Definitely. However, again, because of the whole pandemic thing, I mean, I'm trapped at home. I haven't really gone out. I haven't been to an event or there's no reason for me to buy fashion in the past two months. So you haven't shopped online? I've shopped. I bought wigs. I bought a big unicorn. I bought a baby doll. So are you spending your money on anything? beneficial to the world are you eating better food you know stuff like that I've always I've always you know I always eat clean and healthy and better so but I mean I just haven't bought anything fashion and then again you know like I miss the whole feeling of dressing up you know having a reason to go out yeah like having a reason to go out and have fun just even

Seeing my friends and having a cocktail and talking shit about people, I haven't done that in too long. Isn't that the best? You know, so our lives, you know, has changed. And again, fashion for me also changed because I'm questioning what is the purpose of quote and unquote fashion moving forward. Well, I mean, do you? Well, the structure is definitely going to change. It's going to have some big, big differences. But what do you think those things? What do you actually think is going to happen? Like, what is your prediction for the future? I am. I'm not a psychic. I'm not Miss Cleo. I wish I have, you know, I wish I have a prediction. But I mean, everyone, you know, like all the stores are dying. Like every retail is really doing bad. And and I really don't know. I really don't know. But rich people are going to be rich. They're going to shop no matter what, you know? God damn it. That's so true. But I do think that, I mean, the reopening in China and France and there being lines for Louis Vuitton, that's just rich people. Yeah. But again, you know, these could be isolated cases too. I don't think there's a line outside Vuitton every day. No, definitely not. I think that's the first two days. You know what I mean? And people are excited for sure. But I don't know. I mean, I love to shop too, probably in a little bit of a different way than you do. But I do miss going to, I want to go to a store and buy something, but I don't know if it would be a $5,000 purse. What would you buy then? I don't know. I mean, I never want to go in a grocery store again. I fucking hate grocery stores. I love the supermarket. No, I never want to see the... No, I never want to see the inside of a grocery store again. I'm same as you, Brian. No. That's where I come alive. I don't know why. Yeah, me too. Well, I think that there's a good chance that all of this happening will make everyone realize, you know, people have taken fashion very seriously for a long time, and maybe they will start taking it a little less seriously.

um because it is just you know it's it's wearing clothes and that's that's what it is and it is or maybe or maybe they didn't take it or maybe they you know they didn't take it too seriously that anyone can just be in so you know in so quote unquote fashion now is the time to take it seriously oh so now now that it has become you know a true luxury and not just something that anyone can be a part of They'll have to really take it seriously and work for it. The same way that eating meat will probably turn into. It is a luxury, not a daily occurrence. Eating meat? The future of meat eating in the world is a little questionable. There's a chance it could return to being a luxury item where it costs a lot more money. because of the factory farming and all that going down the same way that fast fashion is going down well i hope that's the case i hope that's the case but you have to realize i mean i mean big businesses rule our lives the corporations rule our lives everybody has they all have to make money what are you going to do with a 40 million well 36 million people who lost their jobs in america how are you going to feed them what are they going to eat what are they going to wear where you know like like sooner or later like they're going to you know, the corporations are going to make them spend their money on like useless shit. And we're going to go back to where we came from, you know, like there's so many people in the world, you know, and, and everyone is kind of like, you know, creating something to fulfill their needs. Well, I do think that there's a chance that. in some regard, we do go back to normal. It'll be different, but I don't know if people's ethos are truly going to change after this. That's the thing. I think people are going to want to do what people want to do, and that's kind of what we've built this world on. I know. Damn right, brother. If I want to wear a wig and do my makeup for fucking TikTok, then that's what I'm going to do. Well, that's the plan. That's my plan. I want to get...

It's crazy. I mean, it's just fun. For me, it's fun. I've never had so much fun. Well, have you been talking to your friends in the industry and getting some other opinions on things? On what things? On fashion, on TikTok, on the future? Honestly, I've been avoiding fashion. For the past month, you know, sure, I talked to some designer friends. I mean, I know one designer friend and he's like, you know, in Paris, he's like, he might have a show, you know, end of the year. So I'm like in my head, okay, we're going to go back to normal. The moment somebody has a show this year, we're going to go back to where we came from, you know? And then some designer friends are like, okay, we're not going to show in September. We're not going to have a show until next year. And then some friends are also struggling. It's a mixed bag. It's harder that the smaller you are, the smaller designer you are, the more you're struggling. Whereas if you're designing for a big house, then nothing changes. Well, I feel like you're freaking me out a little bit because I feel like you could just go on like this forever if you wanted to. What, putting on wigs for TikTok? I just think you found your niche. Are you not bored? Are you not losing your mind? I am. But the thing is, I love entertaining people. If I can find an audience that I can make them smile, make them happy, just entertain them, make them think about something else, I'll do it. That's what I've always done. When I started my blog as a diary, just making people... escape from the reality or making, just getting emotions out of them. That's, you know, I like it. Will I be able to do this forever? I don't know. And I don't think so. And I don't want to. I'm 38. Do I really want to, you know, put on wigs when I'm 60? Definitely not. But for now, for the short term, I love doing this, you know. Sure, the platforms change constantly from blogs, Instagram, whatever, Facebook.

ICQ, MSN Messenger, AOL. Now you're talking. You really are 38. Now we know your age is real. My ICQ is like six numbers. I mean, just to even know what that is. I think it's nice to be able to find something that is bringing you pleasure and also could lead to something. Did you use Snapchat? Did you use some of those smaller? Like, I didn't even attempt that. Snapchat I used for a week, and I've decided this is not for me because at that time when I joined, it's a sexed app, you know? Like, you send dick pictures or ass pictures to whatever. So that's my vision of what Snapchat is. So I was like, I can't do this, you know? I can't. I feel like that is. I mean, I think that's why it still survives is because it's like a dick pic app for teenagers now. Yeah. Which sounds like that's where TikTok is headed, to be honest, from your review. No, TikTok is different. I mean, TikTok censors a lot. I mean, even though you're not allowed to smoke, you're not allowed to have an alcoholic beverage, you can't even use the hashtag cigarette. Like, they're really heavy censored. Yep. No cursing. It's censored as fuck. I didn't know that at all. I didn't know that at all. TikTok sounds like North Korea. It's run by the Chinese. Yeah, well, they do like censorship over there. Do you think people are using TikTok to spy on people? Every app spies on people. The moment you download an app, whatever app it is, and then if you ask them, if you give them permission to access their contacts or their photos, boom. They're already spying on you. I say this all the time. I love being spied on. Take my data. I want to be marketed to. I want accurate marketing.

I know that's the whole thing. It's all about advertising and marketing. I don't notice advertising. What the fuck do you mean? What do you mean you don't notice? I mean, it's kind of like I have a filter. I just block it. I never see ads on Instagram. So your body naturally mutes advertising. Yes. I think that's an amazing thing, but it's also probably kind of fucked up that your body is able to do that. Have you ever bought anything from a... I'm not talking about influencer-sponsored posts, but an actual ad. An ad on a website or Facebook. Yes, I definitely have. I would not be able to live with myself if I did that. I have, and I'm trying to think of what it was, but it was probably some stupid massage tool. Like a Theragun or something. Yeah, it's a massage tool. It wouldn't be anything of consequence. We love Theraguns over here, by the way, Brian. I mean, how much are they? I think they're around $200 to $300, depending on which one you get. Jesus Christ. Did they actually work? Yeah, they're amazing. I was using mine last night. My girlfriend gave me a good half an hour on the shoulders. Fuck me up. Real good. No, I'm not going to buy it. Why would you not buy it? Maybe Santa Claus will bring one this year, Brian. Who knows? But again, I have never bought anything from an ad I've seen online. Ever. Ever. But did you like... I mean, are you a fan of advertising in general? Like, you know, vintage 90s fashion and stuff from your generation where you grew up? Nope. Nope. You don't collect old face magazines and cut out the Marc Jacobs ads or anything like that? Nope. I've always been that bitch who looks... at the masthead and looks at the actual editorial rather than the advertising. That's so funny. I'm the opposite kind of bitch. I look at the ads first and I just want to know who's spending the most money to be in the front of the book. You know what I mean? That's kind of what I care about. Chris likes to see how the sausage is made and Brian just likes to eat the sausage.

No, but it's crazy. It's so surreal. I mean, I collected the face, I collected ID, all the comedy titles. And then I would keep track of everyone on the masthead. So I knew Sally Singer, I knew Sarah Brown, everybody on Vogue. So why did you do that? Why did you study the masthead? I don't know. For me, it was fascinating to see. the movements within the magazines you know like for example um amy astley who is now the eic of um architectural digest she used to freaking write like a beauty column at vogue yeah it all kind of it all kind of starts at vogue a lot of times you know what i mean and they go from there um for me that was what i found fascinating at the time when i used to read magazines i understand that though because to me that's like the i mean i don't know that's like it's seeing who's playing on the team to make a sports analogy. You know what I mean? And then players get traded and shit. It's the same kind of thing. I mean, I looked at that stuff for sure, but I didn't follow it that closely. But did you follow models like that too? I followed models for sure. Like all the models' names, everyone who opened the show, who closed the show, the fashion spot, like all of this. The fashion spot's some real legendary shit, man. The fashion spot really was it. And it still operates as is, right? I know. Yep. And then also there's LiveJournal. Did you start your blog on LiveJournal? I started on LiveJournal and then I moved to TypePad. Oh, TypePad, a real OG platform. And then when you finished, were you on TypePad when you shut it down? I went on TypePad and then I moved on to WordPress on my own domain. And then a year and a half ago, I was like, I'm just going to redirect to fucking Instagram. No one goes to the laptop and the blog anymore, you know? See, I'm a desktop first guy. I'm on my computer more than I'm on my phone. Really? Yeah, which makes me feel old as hell. The last time I opened my laptop was probably about three weeks ago when I did my taxes. What? I don't use my laptop. You know that's crazy, right?

What do you mean? It doesn't have to be crazy. You can do everything on. I mean, my girlfriend is the same exact way. She never opens her computer unless she absolutely has to. Everything is off the phone. Emails, web browsing, social media, sending files, scanning documents. She does it all on the phone. I do it all on the phone. For example, I had to collect all my 2019 receipts, and I don't want to spend fucking 12 hours on the phone looking for the receipts on fucking Gmail. So I'd rather go on my laptop. I sat there for like six hours and look at my receipts and send it to my accountant. That was the last time I used my laptop. So do you book flights and shop and take pictures and all the content we see, all of that's on a laptop, on the phone? Yeah. Welcome to 2020. God damn it. I just, I just can't in the last, in the last, in the last year I've been able to book a flight on the phone and it didn't feel weird. So I'm making progress. I mean, use an app, you know, go to Expedia. I use apps too, but I just, I mean, so do you use, but you use like. lighting and do all that stuff for photos. You just do it with your phone. You don't have like a proper camera. I have proper cameras, but you know what? It's too labor intensive. I don't have the energy to take pictures using a proper camera to put it on the laptop and edit it there and transfer it to the phone. No, just use your phone. Because you don't think people care, right? They don't give a fuck. They just want to see what they want to see. Everyone's attention spans are, you know, people's attention spans. have moved from like, I don't know, from like an hour to like 10 minutes to one minute to seven seconds. Now it's like half a second. Unless you're a professional photographer, you're not going to notice or care about all those little details of a photo. And on a brand new iPhone, it has a pretty impressive camera. Yeah. I mean, Lady Gaga, I think Lady Gaga's new video, right? Stupid Love, the last one. It was all shot on iPhone.

I mean, that shit's crazy. But if they have 15 iPhones and editors, you could do it for sure. Yeah, of course. That is impressive. I mean, I like that. Even though she probably got paid to do that, I still think that's a cool thing to do. Yeah. So, Brian, once you're done influencing on Instagram and TikTok, what do you think you're going to do as you transition into your 40s? What's your career path after that? I really don't know. I wish I knew. That's okay. It's funny because people always ask me this question. I mean, everybody always gets that. What are you going to do next? What's next? What's next? I want to live in my moment. I want to live in the moment. Try to adapt to different platforms. Still do the same. I mean, do I want to do this when I'm like 45? Definitely not. I've been toying around with the idea of... children's books, playing with idea, you know, writing and illustrating or just writing, writing. Okay. And then I've also, I've also been playing around with, you know, producing, you know, videos for brands. Like I did a project with Cartier and Ferragamo, like I did a video project where, you know, I wrote the script, produced it, assembled a team, you know, create content for brands. But again, given the, you know, given, the situation now do i want to do that i'm not sure why um why children's books do you have interest in having children of your own definitely yeah cool is that is that um daddy how soon oh god is it easier or harder to do that in sweden do you think It's easier. Well, to do the whole IVF surrogacy, because I've investigated it, basically it's illegal in Sweden because they really value women here in a way. So they think hiring a woman to be a surrogate, it's kind of like human trafficking. So they're very anti-surrogacy.

for hire. Um, but then you just, you want to pay like a hot chick friend to do the dude carry it. I wish I need an egg too. Oh yeah. Damn. You got to have the whole thing. Yeah. I want to make sure that the chick is not doing heroin. Well, you probably do. You have a friend, do you have a friend in mind or you want to find a random? I mean, I don't, I mean, I don't want to do it with a friend. I have friends who offer their eggs. They had friends offer, you know, offer it to be. you know, to carry it, but I don't want that emotional attachment to become a liability in the future. Yeah. That's a real, that's a real thing for sure. I've, I've had friends go through this where it's been, it's a really difficult process. Yeah. Well, do you want, do you want the sperm from you or from your partner? I want both. I want to have, I want to have, well, originally I wanted to have four kids. Damn, bro. What are you doing? That's a lot. It's not a lot. What if I ended up having a bull dyke girl? You need to have a safety net. So you want to have four kids because you want to make sure you at least get two right? I want to have two girls and two boys. Ideally, I want to have two girls and two boys, but my husband's like, we are not having four kids. So then we kind of like, fine, let's have two. And you're one boy, one girl. Yes, but I want the girl first. Okay, is there, okay, just looks-wise, who is the ideal female egg coming from? Anyone in the world? I really don't know. That's okay. I don't know many, I don't know a lot of the Eurasians, because I definitely want to have, like, a mixed, you know, to kind of, like, reflect us as a couple. So I want to have, like, you know, I'll be mixed with a white. egg and that he will be mixed with an asian egg so yeah damn really really is the future sounds like my kind of kid then like you know the clinic that i inquired from in california it's like three hundred thousand dollars for the whole thing i'm like no

Yeah, it costs money. That's why you got to keep doing these deals, baby. You can't delete it. I knew it cost money, but I didn't know it was $300,000. It's so expensive. $300,000. That's why it's only Ricky Martin who has this. I mean, can you put a price on the perfect child? You can't. You can put a price on the perfect child. And thank God that we have free health care and free education in Sweden. Well, that is cool. So, I mean, at least you could, so if you spend 300 to have the perfect child, at least they could be educated for free. Yeah. And they have healthcare. I would say, honestly, that equals out if you really think about it. Of course. You know, that's a pretty good deal. I mean, this is, this is what the number one thing that I love about this whole, you know, being in Sweden, it was just like, or being Europe. Because when I grew up in the Philippines, it's the American system. You don't have free education. Sure, you go to a public school, but it's shit. You don't have free healthcare either because it's a government-run facility, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But in Europe, it's like they don't even have a lot of private schools in Sweden because the rich people, they just go to the same school. It's equal. It's free. And imagine growing up or raising a child or just growing up. where you don't have to worry about paying for education or healthcare. Zero. No, I mean, it's insane. Or disposable income. It's basically your focus is just living your life. Sounds like a real utopia. I mean, it's shocking. Like, it's shocking. Like, that's why, I mean, in a way, like, people, a lot of Europeans, they travel when they're young. They really explore the world and their mindset is so different and they feel free because like, if you get sick, you know, you have a security blanket. Like you don't need to worry about, oh shit, you know, I'm going to go to the hospital and I'm going to sell my house. You know what I mean? Like, if I, if I get, yeah, if I get sick, I'm just going to die. There's nothing they can eat. There's no, I mean, it's just going to, the bills get too crazy. Okay. Well, what part about America do you miss? I'm.

Well, number one, I miss the compliments of people. I miss walking down on the street where someone will scream at me, I love your jacket! Like, I miss that. So, is that because people don't recognize you as much in Sweden? No. That's just not the personality to comment on somebody else's outfit. It's socially unacceptable to talk to someone on the street or to talk to someone. Jesus. Damn, I can't live like that. They'll think you're crazy. Man. So that was a tough adjustment for you then, probably. For sure. They have this thing. It's like you have to have this personal space around you. No one talks. The moment you talk to a stranger, they'll think you're a crazy person. Or they'll just think you're weird. So what about in the club then when everyone is in a place where you're meant to mix and mingle with other people? People just stay in their own little groups. Damn, that's really a bad vibe for nightlife. I mean, I haven't gone out in so long here. Wait, no. The last time I went out, I got kicked out of the club for the first time. Did you drop your cup on the floor? I can't believe you've only been kicked out of the club once in your life. I mean, here's the thing. Oh, my gosh. So, yeah, there's this bar called Spy Bar, which is kind of like a chichi place here for like whatever. And then I was having a cigarette outside because you can't smoke inside, blah, blah. And there's three girls who are just like talking so loud and talking right in front of me when I'm having a cigarette. You know, they're just like talking, right? And then they're trying to talk to me. And I wasn't in the mood to talk to them. I was like, can you just, you know, please don't talk to me. You know, please. They kept on talking to me, which is really weird. And then maybe it became Swedish. But anyway, so I was like, please don't talk to me. You know, like, I don't talk to basic bitches. I was so drunk. I called them basic bitches. Like, I literally went off. And then I tried to go back in. And then the boucher was like, no, no, no, you can't go back in anymore. I was like, fuck. And then my coat was inside.

You know, I had a bottega coat checked in. And then I, you know, Swedish house mafia, right? Of course. Big fan. So I'm Angelo, like the DJ. I mean, I'm friends with a wife, Isabel Adrian. So I called Isabel, Isabel. I got taken out of the fucking club. I can't get my bottega coat. And she made a phone call and I got my coat back. Damn. So the Swedish house mafia is truly the house mafia in Sweden. Well, the wife rescued me. So yeah. Wow. That's a great story. What kind of music are you listening to nowadays, Brian? Speaking of. Oh my gosh. Like, whatever's on TikTok. I knew that. So you're a big doja cat. So you're listening to shit music? Like, I have never, I mean, I'm 38. You know, like, I don't listen to pop music. What did you listen to growing up? Like, what were you into when you were younger? I like EDM. What? You know that my co-host Jason is an EDM influencer. Oh, wow. I like commercial tacky, you know, nasty EDM. You like Swedish house mafia bullshit EDM. Yeah, so all this shit. Yes, I like this. Calvin Harris, all that stuff. Yeah, Ultra, Tomorrowland, all of this. This is my vibe. That's what Jason likes too. You guys should party next time you're in LA. What about drugs? What kind of drugs do you like doing? I am drug free. Have you always been drug free? Always been drug free. Good for you. Interesting twist. I would expect you were a little cocaine. Honestly, cholesterol is my favorite recreational drug. You like knowing that you can get gout any day? I love a good pork belly. Damn, he's eating good. I have to take a pill every morning. I'm not talking about PrEP. It's like a beta blocker. So is it easy to get Filipino food in Sweden? I mean, no. They literally have no ethnic food here. They have like two Japanese restaurants. That's about it. Damn, do you miss the motherland or at least the cuisine? I can cook it. I mean, I cook. So, you know, I force feed my husband like Asian food all the time. Yeah, I was looking on your Twitter today and you posted a food pic.

A nine-inch white asparagus. Yeah, it was two very thick and girthy asparagus, and it says, who doesn't like it white and nine inches? I've never seen an asparagus look like a dick more in my life, so well done. I mean, I was shocked. I had no idea they came that they're making this big here. White asparagus is having a very good year this year. Well, we're in Sweden, so yeah. Jason, should we make that picture, the artwork for our podcast? I think that'd be pretty good. Oh my gosh. I had a question. Somebody sent me a DM on Twitter yesterday trying to buy my verification check. And I was wondering, once you are finally done influencing, how much would you sell your checkmark for? Can you sell the checkmark? Definitely. You can sell the account, yeah. Yeah, you can sell the account and have somebody else take it over and change the name to whatever they want. I'll never sell my account. No, no, no, no, no, no. I mean, I joined Twitter in 2007. Damn, you're an OG. I was 2008 or 2009, I think. But what if you're 50, you're never going to use it, you have millions of followers, and somebody's like, all right, I'll give you, you know. Here's a blank check. Tell me how many zeros to write and it's yours. I am not doing that. Damn. A man of integrity. Of course. I wouldn't do it either, King. I wouldn't do it either. Really? Nah. Even if you got enough money to just, you're good for the rest of your life, never have to look at Instagram again? Just find a hot old man. You can easily get money. He's about to die. You know, I've been trying. I know. You cannot put a price tag on these things. No. I joined Twitter in 2007. How old was I? 1982. 25. I have to calculate how old I was. It's crazy to think that Twitter has even been around that long. It doesn't feel like that. That's like 13 years ago. Damn. It's basically like your child.

Of course. You can't get rid of one of your children? No. No. I mean, let's just say I love Twitter because it's just like I'm so unfiltered here. I'm a hot mess on Twitter. And for some reason, I have never gotten into trouble. You know, no one's ever used my tweets against me. Like nothing. I'm also unhinged on Twitter, but people do come for me. So I don't know how you've arranged that. Can you imagine if someone actually just, like, you know, take your tweets out of content? It happens all the time to people. They take your tweets, you know, and then it's going to use it against you. And you're saying you're immune to that for some unknown reason. I'm really shocked why people have not come after me. It's almost like you want them to. Yeah. Are you looking for a scandal, Brian? Nah. Nah. I feel like when you live your life out loud the way that you do and you're just, you know, yourself, people appreciate it. They expect it from you and they like it. Yeah, but I'm kind of still shocked, you know, up to this day. I'm still surprised why a lot of these people who I have so much respect for. Because I've seen their work when I was like seven years old, you know, and they're still following. They still see me unhinged. I'm like, are you crazy? Even crazier, me or you for following me? You know what I mean? Damn, good point. Really makes you think. Well, I mean, I think that everybody likes when somebody keeps it real, you know, they might not interact and they might not want people to know they like it, but they secretly love it. Oh, some of them interact. Like people that could get in trouble for interacting, you're saying? No, no, no, no, no. I mean, for example, I'll give an example. Like this lady who I admire so much, Vanessa Friedman from the New York Times. Yeah, of course, of course. A legend. She likes tweets. She's going to retweet me. You know, I'm like, oh. You know, it's always an honor, so I'm still shocked. Like, why? Because that's what we need, man. Because there are people who take things too seriously, and there are people who have fun in life, and we need both kinds. Yeah.

Well, again, it's like I'm shocked and flattered, but just like shocked. What do you think about cancel culture in general? Oh, God. I mean, I think it's ridiculous. Anybody can be quote unquote canceled for like the pettiest bullshit reasons because people don't give anyone a chance to reform. Well, yeah, I mean, I think that is part. No one's given a second chance. You're done. And that's it. I think that is part of the problem. But even cancel culture in general is just wrong. You can manipulate it. Anybody can be canceled. For the smallest little thing, you can just be canceled. For something that you've been done. For example, if you did something, I don't know, 20 years ago, and all of a sudden it resurfaces, and then you're canceled. Look at what happened to Tyra Banks. You know, she got canceled last week because of all of her old top model, you know, things coming out. And for me, I'm like, you guys, the people calling her, you know, canceling her now, where the fuck have you been like 15 years ago? I mean, the fact that Tyra got canceled after she like was not even famous anymore is crazy. It doesn't make sense. Like who even cares? But I guess that show is kind of legendary. I just think it's recreational outrage. People want to be outraged. People will find excuses to, you know, to be mad at something. That's absolutely true. It's a sport. It's a sport. It's a hobby. You sit there, you know. It's what you do when you're not getting good dick and having a good life. You have to get mad at other people who are having a more fun time. Yeah. You know, it's just, it's... Must be nice. It's that thick. Must be nice. And just to be clear, your husband is a banker, correct? Yes. Well, he works at a bank, so... And where did you find this guy? We met at a restaurant here in Stockholm [redacted address] called Stierhof.

And you know how tables in Europe, they're all like so small and you're all sitting beside each other. And then I was here in a job at the time and I was having drinks, you know, with my clients. And all of a sudden, you know, this guy beside me was like, excuse me, can you lower your voice down? And I was like, oh, OK. And then we just started talking and that was it. And then two weeks later, I went to Paris. And I saw him at Hotel Cost. And I was like, oh, you're the guy who shushed me in Stockholm. And then that's it. You know, we exchanged numbers. You're saying you happened to run into him in Paris at Hotel Cost two weeks later. Yes. Wow, that's crazy. And, you know, there's no Grindr. There's no apps at the time. There's Manhunt on the laptop. Can you give our listeners a little detail on Manhunt and what that was? Manhunt is basically Craigslist personal connections with pictures. It's a website. It was a simpler time. It's a simpler time, yes. Is Manhunt still around? I have no idea. Damn. What's the other one I hear about, Scruff? What do you know about Scruff? That's for guys with beards, and if you like scruffy guys, that's what you join. Okay, so I guess I would be on Scruff. Jason and I would both be on Scruff, I guess. Some good dick on Scruff. Craigslist was so fun. Having sex on Craigslist, there's the element of danger and being caught and dealing with some seedy characters, I'm assuming. No, I just like the whole idea. When I was in New York for the first time, I went on Craigslist. and there's this thing called misconnections. If you see some, if you see, I mean, in my head, I was like, oh, if you see someone hot on the subway, you just like, you know, type it there, you describe what they look like, and then whatever, you know, if you see them looking at you, like, whatever, they're just both in misconnections. And just reading it was like, so entertaining, you know? It's a classic. I agree. That's really, did you, when did you, did you go to college? Did you like stay in the Philippines for a while or did you come straight to New York?

I went straight to New York in 2008. What were you doing then? What was I doing? I was a blogger since 2004. So you started in 2004 and then you went to New York in 2008. I went to New York. I got my work permit. And then I stayed there. I was with CAA. And then I did America's Next Top Model for two seasons. Wait, you did? I did. Yes. I didn't know that. That's fire. You were a judge. I was part of the panel. I was like the voice of the people, the social media bits. And it didn't really get me. And it didn't, you know, they didn't, I mean, I'm not allowed to, I mean, it's funny because I'm supposed to be representing the voice of the people of what people are saying online. So that was me. So I never really had an opinion. How was the check looking for that? It was good. Who was the host at that point? Tyra. Tyra's always been the host. Oh, she hosted... I didn't realize she hosted the whole time. She hosted the whole time. Remember, at my time, it was me, and then it was Kelly Catrone, Tyra, and then this guy, Rob Evans. I don't know who Rob Evans is. He's this British boxer slash model who was a judge, and then he punched someone in L.A., and he got... kicked out. Was it, so was this fun to do? Did you guys all get along or was it pretty stressful? Yeah, it was fun. It was fun. I mean, it was fun. We shot like two, two and a half months a year. We would shoot in LA first and then we would shoot in an overseas location for the finals. And no, I mean, it was fun, but I've decided American TV's not for me. What's your problem? What's your beef with American TV? I mean, it's not American TV. I love American TV. Don't get me wrong. But it's just like the whole production setup. Like, okay, I'm shooting top model in LA during the middle of fashion month. And I'm like missing my paychecks during fashion month. So I'm like, okay, you know, like, ciao. I see. Do you have representation? Are you still with CAA now?

No, because the thing is, at that time, my manager at CAA and then the whole fashion department, they all left. So then I moved to IMG. Yes, IMG. And that's where you are now. Now I'm independent. I have this lady in L.A. called Jen Powell, who's amazing. She started the whole influencer division at Next. Because when I joined IMG, it was still early days. Yeah. So they kind of, like, didn't know how the whole digital landscape works. If you're a model model, IMG's fabulous, you know? Of course. But they didn't know what to do with you. At that time, yes. At that time, you know? And now, so now you work with Jen and a lawyer, I imagine, to get it all done? Yes, yes. And are you involved pretty seriously in that kind of stuff? Of course. I'm always involved. I love being involved. I mean, it's fascinating because I'm the one, for example, during Fashion Month, I'm the one sitting down with different marketing teams, with the brands, with the CMOs, with executives. I'm the one pitching. different things or they're pitching to me you know what we should do at the end of the day the role for me i've had at least for me what it works it's like you know i've only passed the contracts when it comes to negotiation okay deal with my manager you know yeah but the whole nitty-gritty the details everything i do everything myself i love that you're just a real salt of the earth guy I mean, I don't know. I don't know about that. You're just down here in the Bottega coat in the trenches getting the deals done. Bottega hates me. So, yeah, I have to buy my own Bottega coat. Why do they hate you? It's just a different image. I mean, I wouldn't say hate, but, you know, Bottega doesn't really do anything with influencers. But I thought they gave all those girls the bags and the shoes. The bags and the shoes, but am I a girl?

No. This is the thing with, I mean, a lot of people have this misconception that like, just, you know, if they see something on me, I'm like, ah, it's like a gift. No, I'm like a unicorn. A lot of brands, for what you know, they're still, they put you in a box. Like, I will, for example, I will never work with a brand like, I don't know, like, who is the butchest watch brand? Tag Heuer? I don't know. Yeah, Tag. Yeah, that's a bad one. I'll never work with them. Or IWC because I am not a man-man. And I'm kind of like fucked because I'm not in a box. I'm not a girl-girl or I'm not a man-man. So I end up working with brands who are more inclusive and more diverse, like Gucci, Prada, you know, Loewe. So in a way, it's just, you know, it's weird. So when people see me wearing Bottega, I'm like, bitch, my Bottega code, I paid for it because they would never touch me. That new Bottega is very expensive, Brian. I've looked at the prices. They ain't playing with that stuff. Well, this is what happens when you get a commercial job, then you spend it on the fashion jobs. Because, you know, some brands, they won't pay. Yes, no, I'm familiar with the system, unfortunately. I feel like I'm talking to my girlfriend right now. I love this. I'm glad that you're out there copping, though. You know, I love that it really comes. You just love clothes, and you're going to buy them. I love clothes. I'll buy what I want, you know? Like, I mean, that's the end of it. Like, it's like, I mean. I'm not going to wear something because if I don't like something, I'm not going to work with you too. Over the years, I've said no to so many different brands just the way that brands have said no to me. It's like it goes both ways. And for me, the dream setup is to work with a brand that you actually love and you spend your money on. So for example, if a brand like Gucci or Prada works with me and pays me, it's basically... me getting a refund on what I've spent on stuff. It's a write-off. Yeah. You know what I mean? That's a good way to look at it. Again, now, because of the whole corona situation, now I'm wondering, and I'm here in my house, the entire third floor.

It's full of clothes that I'm not using and I'm sitting here and I'm like, did I really just burn all my money away? Do you sell clothes when you're done wearing? Never. Why not? I mean, I'm a hoarder. I don't know. I'm a hoarder and I feel like every time I see something, it's so materialistic, but every time I see something that I bought, there's a story into it. I worked hard for this. It's hard to let that go. For me to sell it for like a tenth of the price, I'm like, eh. It would hurt. It would hurt. I understand. Yeah. I understand. And also, don't get me wrong, I also don't buy, I mean, sure, I spend money on clothes, but over the past few years, I've shopped much less. I don't buy bullshit things anymore. You're maturing. You've grown up. Yep. Yep, I try. Where's that money going then? Into the bank account? House. That's a good mature decision to make. You know, I mean, Sweden. Brian, thank you for joining us. This was a real pleasure. Thank you for having me. I always have fun with you guys. I learned a lot about Sweden and America's Next Top Model, which is both eye-opening things. I hope I don't sound too unhinged. No, you don't. Tell people where they can find you online. Just follow me on Instagram, BrianBoyCom, or yes, BrianBoyCom on TikTok as well. Yeah, we're going to go follow you on TikTok right now. Thank you. Perfect. Thanks, Brian. Later. Bye.