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I'm really thinking about shaving my head. As like an act of solidarity with something? Or just out of sheer maintenance, you won't be able to get a haircut for a while? I mean, I think my barber, because of who I am, would be willing to risk Corona and come to a house call. But I don't want to do that. So I don't know. I've just been thinking about it a lot. I don't know what's under there. I feel like it could be bad, but I could just wear a hat for a couple weeks. No one's going to see me anyway. I think this is the time to experiment. You definitely don't know what's under there. As a man gets older, it doesn't get better, the scalp, I'm assuming. I would agree with that, yeah. Are you thinking about doing anything extreme to your hair, or are you just going to ride this out and let it go long? I think with my hair, I mean, I guess I'll probably have KK clean up the sides a little bit, you know? Damn, you trust Bae with some fucking shears? I mean, you know, we all have similar haircuts of like one inch on top. one millimeter on the sides it's it's whatever whatever happens you know there's not much that you can really fuck up but i'm not gonna i'm not gonna have her do like a full tapered fade but just a little like gets a little shaggy around the ears clean that up otherwise i mean there's not really much else i can do yeah no that's fair i don't know i'm just feeling you know i feel like it could be a cool move for me but the fear is like You know, I want to go short enough where it looks cool and kind of, you know, I look a little tough maybe, but I don't want to go too short where I'm like the guy who has a shaved head and glasses because that is my nightmare. Well, is the hair on your sides going to be shorter than the hair on top?

Yeah, I still want it to be – I mean I'll do like a two maybe, a three all over. Right now it's a one on the side. So if I – you know what I mean? I don't know. You know what I could do for content purposes? I could call my barber on FaceTime and have her coach me. I mean you put the number three guard on your clippers and you go – Bitch, I know. That's all you can do. i know but i just think it'd be funny because she would be having a meltdown because she's like this motherfucker is ruining my years of hard work and he's gonna look like shit now and tell people that i'm his barber you know what i mean yeah well with our um with our one millimeter you know sides of hair there's not like i said before not a ton you can really fuck up you're right you're right you're right you're right but i mean i'm much like you i'm very vain so i'm concerned But also for me, the word bald is not in my vocabulary. I have no bald spot going on. I have no reason to keep it covered up with hair. So I could buzz easily if I wanted to. Are you in that same boat? Or are we a little... Damn, bro. You just came on the podcast and basically said I got a 10-inch dick. Damn, that's crazy. That's absolutely crazy what you just said. Well, crazy times call for crazy shots. Fuck it. Mask off. Mask off, bitch. So Jason has a 10-inch dick and no bald spot. I'm not quite there. I have to be honest with you. I'm not there yet. Well, it's not a direct correlation of small people. There's probably a lot of... big dick men with bald spots in the world don't worry i know they all have ferraris i've seen them but i mean you know like you look at lebron you kind of get the feeling like he's got a small dick right a little bit uh i would say yes i lebron definitely has small dick energy i would say but i mean i don't i think more i think more uh i don't think i don't have a bald spot in the back at all but i just don't know it's more of it's more of a skull shape

is the concern well i think yeah no my my skull is is rough and ready i'm assuming i haven't i haven't buzzed since like eighth grade grade i've never buzzed you've never buzzed in your entire life really never buzzed in my entire life so that's part of the that's part of the uh so you really are a wasp i am a wasp yes thank you for noticing um now i'm gonna look like the pool boy uh but i think that the I think so too. The freedom of the shaved head is appealing. That's what really draws me is the simplicity of it all. I mean, there's a strong, you know, not to be a pessimist, but there is a very strong chance that your hair will grow back far before you are allowed to enter the United States again. So feel free to buzz away. You might even do two, three buzzes before we're out of this thing. Damn. Wow, Jason. Real dark start to the podcast here. Jesus Christ. I need to stay off of my conspiracy theory chat rooms. You're back on Bushed 9-11 YouTube channel again. Catching up with all the important new facts. 9-11 is out, King. We're talking about the New World Order. We're talking about centralized currency. You know, Bitcoin's gone. I mean, look, I get it, bro. I mean, I get it. I don't know. I don't know how long it's going to be, but I got to come out looking hotter than before I went in. It's like, this is jail to me. You know what I'm saying? So like, if I don't come out with a six pack and a beautiful shaved head, what's the fucking point? You have no excuse. And also you need to convert to Islam. Already on it. I'm more of a black Israelite guy, but I guess Islam could work for me. Okay. You know. Same vibe, but I need you to come out very well educated with a lot of prophecies and a lot of reading under your belt. I'm doing a lot of reading. I've read a lot of great stuff in the last couple of days. Are we talking about books or are we talking about online articles? Both. The Fiona Apple profile, The New Yorker, was amazing. She's such a trip. Had some great stories.

The article, the piece in Vanity Fair about kinfolk is a must-read. That shit is amazing. I read that, actually. It was kind of making me sad that I wasn't really part of the whole... I mean, I was aware of the kinfolk movement 10 years ago it's been now. Yeah. But I never really participated in it. But I mean, that's kind of like the last great like, hey, I'm going to start a magazine and it's actually going to make millions of dollars all independent. You know, like that's kind of. Yeah. Yeah. No, it is. I was definitely again. I didn't really participate. I probably did more than you just because I was in New York at the time. And it's such a thing. But and also luckily Tumblr, you know, there's a lot of kinfolk energy going on. Bitch, I'll slap you through the phone right now. You say that shit to me. Don't talk to me like that. Not in front of my fans, okay? Not in front of my fans. I've seen your flower vase collection. First of all, bitch, maybe. Second of all, I've never been to Portland. I'm not Mormon. Damn, you said Nike never called you up. Even I DJed some shit for Nike in Portland, dog. Come on. Damn, you got to turn this around with me. I've never even had a latte and a ceramic cup at home in my entire life. Ever. Ever! I don't pollute my bean. You know the rule? Actually, I had a latte today. I felt crazy. Really? Whole milk, I hope. No, God, come on. I'm not a caveman. We're going back to caveman times. Trust me. You're going to need to start getting your body ready for whole milk when the oat siege begins. Well, I've already started hunting. I killed an elk up here yesterday. Way to bury the lead. Okay, this whole podcast is about how you killed an elk yesterday. I killed an elk, and then I did squats with it on my shoulders, and then brought it back and took it apart, broke it down, just like a pack. I just bust down the pack. I just bust down. Damn, we just got a lot of Joe Rogan listeners. All right, well, I guess we should.

tell the listeners what's going to happen right now. Yeah, it's good that you were talking about that because I was looking at a picture that you sent me today about you working out. It was a workout selfie. And I've been complaining a little bit about having to work out in LA and it's been a little cold and rainy in the mornings. And then you hit me with the workout just in the snow, just yoga mat around snow. As far as the eye can see, 30 degrees, you're still wearing your Nike shorts. So I can't complain is what I'm saying. No, you can't. I mean, you look, there's just two kinds of men in this world, real ones and Jason and I'm a real one. You know what I'm saying? But no, yeah, there's some snow, but I just, I just put down the yoga mat. I put down the yoga mat. I pulled out some ankle weights. I had the Pilates ring and we do, we do the workout, but. I want to talk about, I mean, this is localized Southern California stuff, but we need to talk about the Kevin and Bean K-Rock meltdown. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we should. That is those, I mean, K-Rock is a radio station that plays alternative indie rock music, whatever. Or it used to, now it plays like really bad music. But ever since I was a kid, Kevin and Bean were like the morning show hosts. They're like the white breakfast club, you know? And they got fired in the middle of Roni. Just straight up cut. But I guess, you know, a lot of people are getting fired. Are less people listening to alternative rock radio? Is white people radio done? Well, I bet Kevin and Bean had a big old contract. So it's like, you know, who was left actually? Just Kevin or just Bean? I think Bean retired. Bean bailed. And then Jensen Karp, who we know, I've done pods with him before. Friend of the pod. I was trying to do anything but say that phrase. And then he took over, breathed a little young life into it, and apparently it was going well, but then just bam, fired. Which is tough because that is the kind of job where

people need it and people listen to the radio and you know, what are they going to do? Just start a new radio show? I mean, morning shows used to be like the most important thing on radio. Like that drove the entire business. You know what I mean? So it's like, I don't know if it matters as much anymore. If they even care, like drive time radio is probably not as important of a, a, a, uh, thing as it used to be well people people have been saying ever since podcasting came out of like you know it's this big crazy wave and it's going to take over but then they would compare it to like ad sales dollars compared to terrestrial radio and it was still it was just a minuscule fraction compared to how much is still being spent on the radio and people would say it's going to be a long time before podcasts take over but maybe you know it's it's starting to to topple kind of i just don't want to listen to a podcast in the car like i don't i want i want to listen to music in the car i don't never do not want to listen unless it's like talk radio i guess every once in a while but like even when you're alone yeah bro i ain't trying to listen to it i'm not that much of a fucking nerd yeah but also you don't you're not in the car for like commuting to your job Like the only time you're in a car is just, no, I mean, I, I, I almost hardly ever listened to music unless I'm working. If I need to, you're banging, you're banging Marin in the truck on the way to Culver city. I will listen to pods during my commute. Yeah, the whole time. Because I'm able to zone out. Answer the question, Jason. Are you banging Maren in the truck? It depends on the guest, Chris. Is that what you want to fucking hear? It depends on the guest. So you listen to music when you're working, but you don't listen to music in the car. Correct. Because if I'm in the car or if I'm going for a walk or a bike ride or working out, I always listen to a podcast because then my brain can just kind of drift away into a meditative state and I'm not really paying attention to what else is going on and it kind of just helps me pass the time like if you have to be in a car for an hour. But if I'm working and I need to use my brain, then I just put on music.

I can only bang classical or jazz when I'm trying to work. Yeah, that's cool. I bang some jazz and some ambient. We know you like ambient. We know you're an ambient daddy. I am. And now ambient daddies are finally having their way now that everyone is quarantined and they just have to listen to serene dulcimer tones. I don't want to take that. I mean... Have you listened to The New Weeknd? No, I have not. I don't really like The Weeknd. I never really was into it. People like it, though. It slaps. It's good. I have to say it's good. Motherfucking Starboy was not it at all, but this is really good. I'm impressed. I'm into it. A lot of people are into it, and some people are sending me links to listen to it, but I don't know. I've just never really been into it. I know that I'm turning into an old music head when I'm judging artists based on seeing their SNL performance. That is true. The song he did with what's the guy's name? OPN? I can't say the fucking name. Yeah, that song is hot fire. It's got an Elton John. head nod it's kind of sounds like eric clapton in the melody i'm really hitting it's really hitting for me it's really i mean maybe i'll give it a listen i mean how do you feel about his bloody face beaten up aesthetic that he is pushing right now i mean like i get that a i don't know man like hunter s thompson i get it i guess like i was into that in high school but like i i don't you know what is the correlation between hunter s thompson and and the weekend. I think his whole thing is, is like, um, uh, the, what is the, why am I blanking on the book name? The Las Vegas, uh, yeah, it's a fear and loathing. Like that was the whole inspiration for the whole thing. I think the first video and stuff was a fear and loathing. So it's, it's to kind of be like, I am so.

careless and free that i'm just like out here doing drugs fucking chicks getting beat up and i'm loving every minute of it look how bloody i am kind of vibe i i would assume it's probably a little deeper than that um but please i'm all ears i mean i have to say that this man coming out his first single in years coming out in 2020 and the first line being uh I don't need a bitch, I'm what a bitch need is some of the hardest shit I've ever heard in my life. Yes, yes, yes. That is hard. Sure. I'm not saying it's smart or interesting, but it's hard. It is. It's fucking hard. I guess there is a little bit of a Prince energy if he's saying such powerful, strong, pimp hand lyrics, but in a real sing-songy bird voice. Because if Future comes out with a new album and his first line is that, then it's a little bit... More people will be like, hell yeah, bro, this is sick. But if you're singing it in weekend voice, then it's a little mixed signal for me. Are you really this much of a cocksmith putting in work? Yes, I actually think he probably is. I don't know, man. I was reminded of a tweet I did six months ago when he had his new look and I was like, he looks like he's about to get a room started for me at Macy's. He doesn't... That was good. I remember that. I don't know. I was never really... Obviously, he's a very talented singer, but I was just never really... Never really got bit by the weekend snake. And then now I'm looking at him and he's on TV performing and he's just like, I'm going to like watching him at the end of SNL where the band plays the slow song and everyone hugs each other and high fives. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Watching him have to like hug all these celebrities and actors and comedians with like a bloody face as if everything is all normal.

was just weird to me. I don't know. It's like R&B singer Pink. If this is your whole vibe, then do you just have to have pink hair forever? I guess you don't understand people pouring themselves into their art. I guess that's what you're not understanding. Oh, I do. I think that... No, I think he thinks he's on his Bowie shit or whatever, where he changes his look and his whole vibe every album. You know what I mean? Well, if you watched the Taylor Swift documentary, you know that all pop stars have to do that every album cycle. Did we ever talk about that documentary? No, we've only had this podcast for one week. that's true i don't mean i meant i meant as friends in general i don't i don't maybe we touched on it a little bit but no it is absolutely demented her taste in graphic design in in home decor her house her apartment looks fucking insane um what do you think about the whole the whole kanye thing that just came out yesterday i just like do people really care about that anymore it seems like so long ago you know No, I don't think people, I mean, people cared about it for like one three hour period, but not really anymore. But do you think people are ready or are eager to see the, the descent of Kanye West? Or do people still want to go around? I mean, I think Kanye, I think, I think unfortunately Kanye has won most people back with his fake Jesus shit. People love it, dude. People, people that I know and respect are reposting that right now. Like, like talking about a simpler time or how it's so it makes them feel calm. I'm like, are you guys dumb? Or did you just never have to go to church? Like, I don't understand. Like, I don't like I just don't. There's nothing more uncool than religion to me. And I'm not going to let somebody package it and resell it to me as an adult. Like, I'm not going to fall for it. It's for the weak minded. And you are not a weak minded person. No, I'm an idiot, but I'm steadfast in my beliefs. So I'm good.

Well, I mean, hopefully the Roni brings Kanye down. I don't think rich people are affected by Corona. I mean, if people have to choose between feeding their family and buying new Yeezys, it might. Who knows? And he can't charge. Every musician, 90% of their revenue stream is live performances, and that's gone now. Do you think people are going to pay money for a church live stream from Kanye? Yes. And also people that buy Kanye West shoes don't have families, Jason. They've never even had sex. You're wrong about that. I guarantee you the shoes will sell out as long as he keeps putting them out for as long as I can fathom. And I do think people would pay for a live stream of that garbage. 100%. Do you think he would be vilified for charging money for? Something like church, which should be a free thing? No, because, I mean, the way church works, at least with my upbringing, is that you were, you know, it was heavily encouraged that you put offering in the plate or you donate monthly or yearly. I mean, that was just an understood thing. Right. That you basically had. You don't have to do it, obviously. It's not like a mandate, but it's considered. Of course. Like something you must do. Yeah. So it's like, it's really no different than that. The more you're respected and loved by your peers. Exactly, yeah. It's just like any other hierarchy. Yeah, exactly, exactly. But I do think people would pay for him. I think that people are just so desperate for entertainment right now, they would happily pay for a Sunday service. How do you think this is going to affect my mosaic celebrity church bros, Bieber and all those people? If they can't congregate, is it going to have to go virtual? And then it's already going virtual. Oh, yeah. I think all the churches are going virtual. The same way your favorite singer-songwriter is doing an acoustic show in his fucking kitchen. I think the church has got to go viral. I mean, the merch sales are probably going to go through the roof. Yeah, but Diplo is not charging money to have you watch him DJ in his living room.

but that's because diplo has a diplo is rich and knows he's very rich and isn't going to exploit that because he doesn't need to whereas i think kanye could say i have to pay all which is true i have to pay all these musicians you know what i mean which i don't know how he can even do it because of the quarantine thing but you know what i'm saying he's got a staff yeah he's got to pay kim He's got to pay the nanny. He's got to pay the chef. It's never ending with this guy, dude. The payroll's crazy, bro. He's paying Kim. She's paying him, if we're being honest. You know what I mean. I guess we're not going to have a guest this week. That's fine. We don't have to do that. We were recently... Should we just try to call somebody out of the blue and see a vanter? Yeah, sure. I have to approve them first, but yeah. Oh, are you worried about who I would call? I'm worried about who I would call and who you would call. I agree with that. That's fair. That's fair. You know what? Why don't I just... try something. Let's just try something and just see. People are at home, bro. This is a fun thing. Go for it. This is huge for me personally. This episode of How I'm Gone is brought to you by TaskRabbit. Let me tell you something. This is not a joke. I use TaskRabbit a lot. Because I can't do anything. You need some art hung? Task rabbit. You need a fucking something put together? A cabinet? Got to reach that cheese grater on the top shelf? Task rabbit. Anything you need, task rabbit can take care of it for you. And, I mean, it...

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Oh, good. A lot of revenue streams are cooking. How are you holding up, Jake? I'm fine. Everyone keeps asking that, but this is week one of three months probably, so that's not the question to be asking. Three months? I know that everyone is very caring, and I really appreciate that. I've heard from a lot of people, and I think that's very nice. I feel like every time I'm asked that, I'm reminded that we're pretty much at the start of a very long haul here. So you're thinking three. I'm thinking three in that I think that we'll have summer and then we'll have to have a winter quarantine all over again. Oh, so you're saying we'll do a three and then everyone will be happy, hog wild. They'll go out there and touch each other too much and then we'll have to do it all over again in winter. I don't know if that's what would cause it, but I haven't read as closely as maybe I should on this. But what I have read is that effectively they'll be able to eradicate it through or they'll be able to kind of dull the cases through summer. And then much like how the flu comes back in winter, it'll come back in winter and then we'll have. basically a whole other cycle of quarantine all over again but hopefully at that point we'll know how to deal with it better but like um i'm not very optimistic i think until they find uh an actual vaccine like this is probably what we're facing but um so by so by winter we will already sort of be quarantine pros we'll already have all the puzzles we'll already be ready to go Well, I mean, as much as that matters, I mean more like hopefully like the government figures it out. But again, I'm no scientist and nor am I. Thank you for making that clear. Thank you. Because the listeners were confused. Like, is this the scientist that Christmas comes with? No, but I would also say that that's probably both reading a lot about it and then prognosticating like a very long, you know,

uh self-isolation both those are kind of my coping mechanism so like if i know a lot about it then i feel better and also if i tell myself like this is the future like just get used to it then i'll feel better if it's any less than that jacob i thought that buying trousers i thought that buying trousers was your coping mechanism but i'm learning also that's the that's the exact opposite of my coping mechanism i want to know as little as possible and just hope for the best that's my entire outlook on life Chris, why don't you introduce our guest right now, please? I'm sorry. Hi. Yeah. Hey, what's up? Guys, this is our friend, Jacob Gallagher, known columnist for the Wall Street Journal and also scaredy cat who stayed indoors for probably two weeks already. I've been inside for like a week and a half. I've been outside to go running. and to go to the grocery store. But I've been inside for about a week and a half. My fiance has not left the house for eight days. What? Yeah, she's the pro in our household. First of all, congratulations. I had no idea. Thank you. That's a world record holder. I don't think I've heard of anybody not leaving the house for that long. If we end up getting it, it will be entirely my fault because I'll have gone outside. That is truly the only way around. Damn. Is that a dynamic? Is that a dynamic that you guys have discussed? Wait, sorry. Chris, be quiet. What were you saying, Jason? I said, is that a dynamic or a scenario that you guys have already discussed, or is this only living in your head? Um, it's only living in my head, but like, I, I mean, it's kind of, I mean, that's, isn't that just like empirical fact that like, if she stays, if she stays inside, she's, she's going to be fine. Um, but, uh, though we have like ordered things. So, so I, my theory is kind of that we might catch it off of like. ordering an Amazon package or something. Yeah, it can be your mailman, Amazon, Grubhub, you name it. Mr. Porter, the list goes on. Again, the evidence on that is not 100% clear yet. There's so many unknowns in this situation. It can make your head spin.

Jake, have you copped gear since being quarantined? Okay, so the answer, I really wish that the answer was no. And in any other scenario, the answer would be no, but our legacy happened to have their online archive sale this week. So I did buy a sweater from that, but normally I would not have. There's nothing that I'm planning to buy. I have actually found this whole planning for self-isolation to have been fairly expensive up front just because we bought more groceries than we normally would. And I've subsequently ordered a lot of things around the house that we didn't realize we needed going into this, such as a printer or exercise mats or things like that that we just hadn't calculated. As you can tell, I'm very budget. You're talking to two wrong guys right now, baby. That's why we have you on. I'm trying to think about how to put this into my work going forward, but there's something to be said for the fact that your motivation to buy something certainly goes down when you have no idea when you're going to be wearing it in public in the future. I'm not want to go buy a bunch of stuff because if I buy it right now, I'm not going to be able to wear it for months. And in months, my feelings of what I want to wear might be different. Chris and I were discussing this last episode where I was asking him, are these things that you're buying now potentially, if it is a worst case 18 month from now scenario, are your tastes going to be completely gone? Are you not going to want to wear that at all? And in Chris's defense, he said that he only cops timeless pieces that are evergreen. But it's also more so I'm not getting. So what I normally think happens is like you spend winter, especially in New York City, like the last month of winter is really the month where you wear the things that you have tested, if you will, through either that previous winter or all the winters before. So you basically wear the same thing for like the final month, month and a half of winter. You were like.

stuck in the uniform you don't want to try anymore it's just it's just cold you have your boots you have your north face or whatever brand puffer and that's pretty much exactly exactly and then and then spring comes around and you get super gassed all of a sudden and you're excited sundress and you buy things that are more tailored toward that but of course we're stuck inside so like you don't get that feeling of like oh man i really want to buy spring stuff like i'm still thinking about like sweaters and stuff because that's where my head's at but I imagine... My head is in the future of humanity, but yeah, have fun with your fucking sweaters. Jesus. Stick with sweaters, guy. Jesus Christ. Okay, okay. I'm trying to feed my family. Sorry. Let's keep this train going. So, Jacob, you... Sorry, the thought of Jason having a family is making me laugh. Fuck you. I'll be there before you, Chris. God bless, please. I hope so. Yeah, your family are just 15-year-old white dudes on Twitter. So, Jacob, you work in media. The world of content in the last couple of weeks has definitely shifted greatly. How is it affecting... the content that you create. So you, you are a fashion writer, editor for wall street journal. Yeah. I mean, I'll say on a core level, like I, the, the vast majority of how I actually physically do my job is that I pick up my phone and I call people or I email people or I farm for sources through social media or what have you. So like my job already is very, tailored toward being able to be remote in a lot of ways. But, but I think that what you're, what you're asking is more like, how are we adapting? And I would also say like, I feel very, having had a lot of conversations with people around the industry this week, like where we sit on the media side with everything that's happening. And I don't want to speak for everyone in media, but this is like what I'm kind of picking up.

Throughout the whole industry, media is probably the safest place to be sitting right now because you're not worrying about supply chain. You're not worrying about if people are actually shopping. You're not worried about those things. And there has been this first burst of just a whole lot of things to cover around coronavirus. I wrote several stories last week all themed around coronavirus that are going to roll out over the next couple of weeks, basically. there was just a lot of stuff to get into there. Um, but I'll tell you, I mean, I had a lot of very not so, um, pleasant calls and conversations in terms of just like hearing the reality of what this is going to do to the industry is, is it's very upsetting. And, um, but in terms, but, but that's not what you asked. I mean, what you asked, like in terms of my job, like, Well, I guess more of what I was asking is like, obviously the world of media has a, is in, you know, people need content in media and you are in a safe place compared to somebody who's, you know, working in a service industry job or something. But if you're, do you, are you experiencing like, how can I write about fashion right now? How can I write about sports right now? How can I write about any of these, you know, arts and entertainment type of things when there's the big elephant in the room? But to that end, I mean, thus far, a big part of this is not necessarily people getting sick. Hopefully that does not really happen. But people that are stuck at home. But you can talk about the intersection of fashion and infectious diseases. I mean, I wouldn't say that, but that's not what I'm, what I'm getting at is more like we, we, we recognize that like a lot of our readership or I recognize that a lot of our readership are people that are just like stuck at home. So it's less about like, what are you buying and more about like, what are you thinking about? Or like, how are you, how are you actually getting dressed for the day now? And like those considerations, like, you know, all the content that you're seeing right now is basically framed around the things that people are doing to fill their day. They're trying to squeeze an exercise.

They're trying to figure out what they're going to eat. They're trying to figure out what they're going to wear. And then this like outpouring of content about like content, basically, how are you going to fill your day? How are you going to like, you know, fill these hours where you're stuck in the exact same place? So we're thinking a lot about like what, or I should say, I don't want to speak for everyone, but like, I'm thinking a lot about, you know, what, what the, whoever's reading this is actually doing, what they're actually thinking about. am I going to be writing a lot about like, go buy this thing? Like, absolutely. Like, I don't think so. Like, I can't say a hundred percent now, but like, I just, I'm not sure that that's where everyone's head is at. Although this past week we have seen a lot of stores and, you know, make the appeals, like support small businesses. And I think that that is an important thing to look at. And I think that there are people that are certainly buying in that way. How long that lasts, I'm not quite sure. But, yeah. So you were saying – I just don't – Go ahead, Chris. Well, I mean how long can we talk about coronavirus? You know what I mean? Like as far as it relates to every single thing. I feel like for a little while people are just getting tired of reading about it. But this is what I keep saying to people. Like I was having this – this is not just about how the virus is going to work. Like if the virus spreads at the level I think it's going to spread and it hits – and forget about how many people it hits. two to three percent of americans die from it that means that by the numbers everyone knows someone that dies from it pretty much um and so chris you're right but right now if you don't you need to get your friends up no but but but but you're absolutely right chris like i i feel everything's been a little bit exhausted in a week but that being said we're really just at the beginning of what this virus is going to do to change our lives and i i think that we have from the jump, kind of underestimated how life-changing this is really going to be. I mean, this is probably one of the three most important events of our lifetime happening right now, I would say. I mean, the podcast is good, but it's not that good. But thank you very much. Yeah, of course. But yeah, you're absolutely right. But also, you know, you can think about it and you can go down that fear spiral forever.

You know, but we need people like Chris Black to keep us sane. Well, but think about it this way. It's less of a fear spiral than like I called my grandmother the other day and she was talking about how she was raised basically in the shadow of the Great Depression. And then it was that and then it was World War II. And then it was probably September 11th were the three big things of her life until this point. And now this is the one that's like the coda basically probably on what will be the final chapter of my grandmother's life. This is like the big event that's happening in it. And my point on that is like after 9-11, our behavior about a large number of things changed drastically. I mean, the way that we flew changed, the way that we approached. going to large events changed. This is probably, I think that already it has happened where our generation is very keen, and I'm speaking to two guys who I think would agree with this, is very obsessive about health in a lot of ways. I think we're going to see a lot of health obsession coming out of this and a lot of questions about what is our healthcare system and how do we prevent these things going forward and what have you. This still feels... Like we've been completely blindsided by it, even though we saw it coming. But we didn't do anything to try to. I shouldn't say we didn't do anything, but I just think like it was something that people were not thinking about what what washing your hands actually does or, you know, what what stockpiling medicine actually does for you. I think that that those behaviors will change.

Sorry, I feel like I've taken us down this incredibly academic pathway. Look, I knew when I was calling a nerd what I was going to get. We're not doomsdayers over here. We're not preppers like you. It's a little bit different attitude on the How Long Gone show. I've been cooped up all day. We've basically done nothing, but I've read the paper and I've done crosswords and now I'm watching. Map of the Stars, or Maps of the Stars, which is an amazing David Cronenberg movie. So I'm kind of like, my brain is now spiraling a little bit. Well, Jacob, you needed an outlet to talk. Exactly. Precisely. I would say that you are a little bit of a doomsday guy, though. Okay, so... My brother has been a little bit, not on me about this, he's been nice and hasn't mentioned it a lot, but before it was quote-unquote cool to be obsessed with Contagion, I was obsessed with Contagion. And I've watched that movie probably... For the record, it has never been cool to be into the film Contagion, but continue. But I've probably seen that movie... 30 or 40 times i would guess um this is gonna be a long podcast put on a pot of coffee are you okay dude that jay that's alarming bro i'm honestly like i'm calling the fans i just i i mean i just thought it was so smart and he really i mean i'm i'm a big steven soderbergh fan to begin with but that movie i i feel i feel like that movie was like and again to get back to like how how we didn't really see this coming like When you think about human things or things that can happen to us in our lifetime, a mass virus is something that pretty rationally could happen. And I thought that that movie really laid it clear. So Contagion is your Rushmore? It's not my Rushmore, no. That's not even the movie I've seen the most, probably.

That's not even close to the movie. I would hope not. No, no, no. That's not the movie I see the most. But I did watch it. For a while, I watched it probably weekly. I love that movie. But I've actually yet to watch it since all of this started because I just don't want to have to think about it. Because you've already seen it 40 times, so I need to watch it again, I would say, is a good reason. Well, Contagion is actually, I mean, and I don't want to belittle coronavirus, but Contagion is far more terrifying. I mean, the virus hits you and you die. That's shots. Shots. Okay. Yeah, okay. Okay, well, yeah, I mean, I think people, but what, do you think the spike in Contagion becoming the number one downloaded or watched movie on iTunes, is that because people are... you know, addicted to the adrenaline rush of, of the fear that they're experiencing, seeing their potential future laid out beautifully by Soderbergh? Probably, but there's also something there where it's like, like you want to just, well, for one contagion ends and it's very uplifting. And I think that that might help people right now. I would also say maybe there's something there. And like, as I said, like a virus is something that very, that is is very much on the table in terms of like what can happen to us but it's not something that really is that discussed like like the the big flu was like a night it was was was a a century ago so it feels very abstract or like ebola still felt very abstract so i guess like watching a movie is like the the american reaction to like making things feel real in a certain way because like coronavirus still like doesn't really feel real yet in a lot of ways like we know why we're under it feels real to it feels real to me bitch i can't get a fucking fourth wave coffee but that's but but that's but that's because you're but that's because but that's you being under that's that's you being under lockdown and dealing with the the implications of that that's not necessarily you dealing with like the the direct thing of the virus if you will no that's right like the act right right

Who's typing? I've been having to drink Stumptown coffee. It's been a fucking nightmare. Oh, my God. Jason, are you okay? No, I'm not. I was typing. I was writing down some notes. Jacob, we've talked a few times on the show about our clothing, our dressing, our self-care, our grooming. when we're not leaving the house, you are a very put-together person. You always have a great outfit and you probably moisturize well. Have you been more relaxed with your practices? Chill out. He's dressing. He be dressing, not fair. He do be dressing. Are you wearing Nike joggers right now is what I'm asking. No. I'm wearing... I'm just wearing Carhartts. Wow. No, I would say I wear probably what I would normally wear a little bit, dress down. The big difference is that I don't wear – I think, Chris, you and I have talked about this before maybe. I don't wear hoodies that often because I don't wear them to work. It's like the one thing that I won't. where to work really um so i've been wearing a hoodie like almost every day so that's probably the big difference but i mean they're very comfortable but like i i try really hard to wear because because because i do i i mean i do like i do own sweatpants like i'm not a lunatic but like i but but i do try very hard to put on the proper pants but i haven't been wearing but i haven't been wearing like like dress pants or like, I, I'm obviously not putting on like a suit to go sit at my desk, like, or, you know, but, um, no suspenders, no ties. No, but, but like, I get why people, I totally understand why people do that. It's like, whatever, whatever can put you in the right headspace to get stuff done, like do it. Like, just like, I think that's wise.

Yeah, I agree. I mean, luckily, I haven't had to change my look from button up shirt and do see mesh shorts. So I'm I still feel comfortable and are great geniuses. I do my best work lying down. So I've always I've always liked to retire to the bedroom with my laptop to do some of my big, big thinking. So it really hasn't changed my wardrobe either. Jason, thanks for asking. Well, Chris, we already covered your Stussy shorts, so I just wanted to see what somebody like Jacob might have to say. Chris, did you say in the group chat that Harvey Weinstein caught the roni in jail? Is that true? Harvey Weinstein got the bug, player. He got the bug in jail. Chris, don't call it the bug. Just don't. Just really don't. Just don't. Why not? What else are we going to call? I'm so tired of saying the word Corona, bro. It's Lange. Let's come up with a new name for the virus right now. Let's do it right now. Okay. Jacob is going to hang out any second. We need to rebrand this virus. Trump's trying to rebrand. Why can't we? I mean, so like measles. That is obviously not the true Latin name of the disease, but measles, that's a good name. Do you say corona more, or do you say COVID-19? Well, COVID-19 is the illness that you get from the novel coronavirus. It's like the difference between HIV and AIDS, kind of. As far as I understand, I could be wrong. Someone fact-checked me if I'm wrong on that. But I think in writing, I've been using them kind of interchangeably because when you're talking about the phenomenon of them, you can speak about them interchangeably, I would say. I think the journal has done that as well. I think that we're kind of using them here and there. It's annoying to...

to type out um all the time but i don't know man corona i don't think coronavirus is like i don't know why this matters at all but like it's not the stupidest virus like i've heard worse the brand name is already taken by a popular mexican cerveza so i'm saying like it's it's just there's like when you're doing a naming exercise for a new brand you have to do the research and make sure that the name isn't already taken All right, next time there's a pandemic, I'll have them call you. Yeah, Chris, our next episode, we can do a brand voice strategy touch base on how we can maybe get ahead of this thing for you. That's a good idea. Thank you for that. Jake, we've talked a little bit during this difficult time, and I know you've been devouring content like a monster. Slurp it up. Well, I've been reading a lot, but I've also watched the entirety of Tiger King, which is truly the best thing I've seen ever. I'm flummoxed by how entertaining it was. I heard about that on Drake's Instagram story. All I can say is shit is truly wild. I got my parents hooked on it. They watched the entire thing in a day. It is so entertaining. How many episodes is it? There's seven 45-minute episodes, I think. That's a low commitment. It's light work, but it's really that good. Within 10 minutes, you're along for the ride. And let me tell you, man, it just, it does not give up. I blasted a few episodes last night and you are absolutely correct. It is exactly what we need right now in this time. Cause I thought it's just dumb, dumb entertainment. Like full, just like lose yourself. Really peeling back the layer on a subculture that I never knew existed. It has so many different characters inside it. And every one of them.

could have been a standalone documentary. They focus on one guy, but there's four to five peripheral characters that are just wild. There's a guy who basically has... They're effectively women that come work for him that he pays nothing, and he dresses them, he dictates what they'll eat, what they wear, what they do in a day, and they work like 20... our days like this guy has like women that are basically slaves and he is not the main character of the show he is like a like he's like like the show i'm telling you the show is really something it's really something and and joe exotic just has some of the most phenomenal bad outfits i've ever seen it is like it is like joe dirt mixed with corella deville it's so good it's just so good Yeah, I mean, I've never seen a man pull off a pistol in a holster so well, I would say, though. But I remember now that, like, somehow I come across – this is not a spoiler, but in the show he runs for president at one point. And we've come across, like, the YouTube video at one point. Like, Rachel was saying to me, like, we've seen this guy before. We've seen this guy before. And it was this – Even the video of him running for president, Chris, you could just look that up and that's the best trailer for the show. Because this guy is just ranting. He's got cats around him and gators. It is truly. This show is so good. It's a shame that he's currently incarcerated for trying to murder somebody because his TV show would be very viral right now in our time of Roni. But I think that a well-made documentary is going to become the most popular form of content right now. And as you can see, it truly can be about anything. It doesn't really matter. Well, it's that whole thing about how everyone wanted ESPN to drop the MJ doc, which I really wish they would. I think that they're probably trying to figure out how to do it. But I mean, that's like a 10-hour documentary, I think.

I want all of that. I don't even like sports that much, but I would watch that in a second if that came out right now. Same. But that's basically the only thing that I've watched hardcore. I've been watching a lot of movies from the 90s. I watched Girls Playing Blank the other day, which is one of my favorite movies. A truly underrated movie, in my opinion. That's a real Jacob movie. See, I find a hard time, and I find it hard to balance the content from absolute trash to like the stuff i should be spending my time with that's the biggest struggle i have yeah but but like i felt that this afternoon where i was getting kind of bugged out where i was like i should be reading my book more like i shouldn't be watching tv as much blah blah blah and it's like i feel like right now this is not the time to be hard on yourself about that like maybe in a couple weeks but like right now I'm not mad that I'm sitting in front of my TV watching Netflix at the end of the day. I didn't do it all day. I think if you did it all day, it's probably a problem. It's tough, man. Chris, I know you think that I watch a million hours of television every week. I actually really don't, but I was sitting down yesterday and I was looking through Amazon. prime and hulu and netflix and all that and the amount of content out there i mean it's it's unbelievable if this if this virus had hit us 10 years ago it would be so much more boring like that's all i can say is it would just be more boring like i guess that you would you would probably read more and you would probably be watching more like reality shows because they would be on television but Well, I'm glad that the government waited until we had enough content to drop this Hot 16 on us. Chris, you were mentioning that you're torn between content that you should be watching and then bad, dumb content. What would you consider to be the epitome of the worst?

like guilty content that you're consuming right now above below deck i mean no that's good that's what i consider a plus like jesus to me like um anything from a proper cable network is is higher to me than streaming just in my in my ranking system it has to do with distribution no but like the tiger thing This tiger shit I keep hearing about, that seems pretty bottom of the barrel to me. Where it's like Eric Roper's birthday and I should be watching it all. You know what I mean? But Chris, I've never understood this about you. The only thing that you like in this world is being up on culture and having an opinion about it. I think that's the only thing that brings you joy. And yet you don't partake in the things that are like mass cultural events. So you kind of remove yourself from the conversation sometimes, and then you just stand there and you dunk on it a little bit. But you're not actually giving a shot to the things that are kind of flowing through the bloodstream of the populace. Speaking of getting dunked on. No, that's not true. I don't know. First of all, you could not dunk on me. But I think that that's true about. movies and television with you it's not true about music i i know that you listen to all the the mass meshugana but but like you go on this is my way of saying like i don't know why like i know that you don't like like you're like marvel movies are dumb and whatever and i'm not i'm not you're like standing for marvel movies but i can see the good in them i don't think you could ever do that No, because that's for dumb people. If I wanted to eat junk food, I'll eat junk food. I'm not going to find a way for it to be healthy for me. If I want peanut M&Ms, I'm a bad boy and I want them. I'm not going to somehow justify that it's enjoying it because it's part of the zeitgeist because a company spends so much money to make it. But these are your rules, though.

like Jason brought up below deck, like you, you place reality on a higher platform than a lot of other people would. So like that's somehow because you deem it. So has like higher cultural value. Yes, because it's real people. So therefore it does have higher cultural value. Like putting actors in muscle suits, putting actors in muscle suits and having them fly around. I can't relate to that. I don't even like Marvel movies. I don't know why I brought that up. It was a perfect example. Don't worry. It says a lot about you, actually, that you brought it up. I mean, I don't, you know, not to dunk, but. Well, I mean, because I'm a little bit somewhere in the middle of. this argument where i'm i'm very team chris of like i i care not to ever engage in any marvel movies really but i also you know i know that it's important to but i would never watch like a bravo show but for me it's just like i want to i want to know every like i want to know and try everything like i just i like if if this movie is mass or this show is like mass and is in is popular and people are talking about it like i want to see it so i can have an opinion on it like i At least I hate watching it. I don't want to be at the bottom of society. I want to stay at the top where I belong. I don't need to drag the floor of the ocean when I can swim on top. I think what's keeping me... I know that I would be mad at myself if I went to a movie theater, paid $16.25, bought a ticket to see... you know, Captain America or Fast and the Furious. And then I walked out of there and even if I enjoyed it a little bit or I was like, okay, I get it. That movie rocked. I would be upset at myself for, for, for being a dumbass. Right. Right. But Chris, I think that we, what I would say is this, like you like reality shows because they're about people and that says something about people to you. I like this stuff because a lot of,

people like it or watch it or take it and i want to know what that says about those people like i think that's just the difference in in our and how yeah i get that yeah all joking aside i get that i just don't think that i've never been into that i've never had any interest in it right i think that it's just kind of like i think it's like i said it's candy which i understand the necessity for it but i can only have it in small doses and i choose those doses to be a drunk blonde stewardess on a fucking boat. I feel like the last time, I think, I think whatever that thing is that everyone, the zeitgeist is talking about, it has to get so big that even infects Chris's life. Correct. Like, I think that's right. I think that's right. He would have eaten the Popeye's chicken sandwich if he was not a vegetarian, probably. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, The perfect example of this is cheer. Like I first started hearing about cheer and I was like, I don't care about this. How good could it be? And then I watched one, I watched one episode and I'm fucking crying and watched the whole thing in one day. So like, it's about fitness, which is like your modus operandi right now. That is not, it's not about fitness. It's about the human condition and all working together to accomplish a goal. Okay. Okay. That's true. That's true. I mean, I think that's why it was so popular. I'll take my cynic hat off. You are right. You are right. But the love is blind, too. I was like, I don't really – what, it's another dating show? Couldn't believe how good it was. I was absolutely enraptured. I couldn't get enough. I have to thank you for – you said the thing about that show that explained it immediately, which was that it takes – didn't you say that it takes place in Atlanta? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which immediately explained so much to me, just in terms of the, I would say, priorities of those people. Damn, last shot. Wow. Here we go. A coastal lead New York Jew coming from my southern upbringing in Valley. Jacob, if you were from the other coast of Los Angeles, you would know that the show probably took place in Atlanta because that's where every TV show is filmed now. It has nothing to do with culture. A crumbling industry of Los Angeles tax.

All that stuff, everyone has to go to Atlanta to film now. That was not meant to be a shot at all of Atlanta or the South. What I simply meant was... It sure felt like it, brother. As someone who also watches The Bachelor and understands where those people often come from, those contestants often come from, it's just the priorities of certain people that don't exist in like... a New Yorker in LA or something like that, where they're like super keen on marriage that made the show make sense to me where it was like, Oh, these people, these people probably just like come from a different background than I do. We're like, I watched the bachelor and I'm like, and I say this as a 28 year old, who's getting married this year. Like I watched the bachelor and I think like, why did these 24 year olds, 25 year olds, 26 year olds even like give such a shit about marriage. Like I just fundamentally don't understand that. Because it's a band-aid that's going to fix everything. Yeah, of course. Or, I mean, really now on The Bachelor, it's just like they lie and they're saying that so that they can go on and get famous. But I think on Love is Blind, those people genuinely wanted to fall in love because they thought it was like their last chance. But, yeah, I don't know. I don't know. Well, Chris, friend of the pod, Chuck Anderson, he did send in a question asking us, about our, our routines, but he also said, what is, what is Chris's favorite character on Love is Blaine? A little two-part. Oh, definitely. What's the, what's the drunk blonde chick's name? Obviously it's the drunk blonde chick. Jessica? What's her name? When she gets sloppy, drunk, slurring on camera, that's good. That is the exact thing that we were trying to see on television. That is what reality television is built on. I haven't seen it. Maybe I'll give it a watch this weekend. Jason, I recommend you do what we did, which is watch the first episode and the last episode. That's truly all you need. Everything in between is kind of bullshit. First of all, that's bullshit.

I wouldn't even say that you watched it the way that you did it, Jake. That's bullshit. If you're going to commit, commit. You'll go see it. You'll pay $20 to see a fucking Marvel movie and you won't commit to a free show. Yo, Love is Blind was like 10 hours long. I did not really want to do it. I don't want to do it either. So I will exactly, I will take the carpool lane advice and blast one and blast 10 and I'm out. Also, Chris, can we just go back for a second? You said Jew with a really hard J. That was a lot of emphasis there. Maybe it's the jealousy that I feel for your people. I respect your culture more than I respect my own, so don't come at me with that shit. Not in this time. You know what? On that note, we're going to finish up. No, no, no. My AirPods are dying. No, no. It actually has nothing to do with you. My AirPods are dying and I need to eat something. I'm not going to be attacked on my own show. Can we talk about one more thing now? Of course, please. Can we talk about the Yale workout plan? Oh, no. I would love to. Jason, why do you say, oh, no? No, no. That was a joke. That was a joke. No, I mean, I think it's great. I think – well, we were actually supposed to have an episode about working out from home, but our guest, the scheduling didn't work out. So we have you, which is great. Yeah. But we – yeah, you're awesome. I'm a total proper substitute for that guy, yeah. Yeah, totally. I'm just totally as built, as swole. Yeah, yeah. Bro, you're my – Jacob, your mind is swole and your closet, very jacked. Yes, absolutely. Closet on gigantic. Wait, what were we saying? I lost my train of thought already. Well, Jason, are you running? Are you walking? What are you doing? I'm doing jump ropes as cardio and then some cycling.

It's been raining for the last few weeks, so I haven't really been able to do much. But then I have a whole workout, a little mini home gym in my house, kettlebells and a pull-up bar. Oh, that's nice. Which has been great. Yeah. And then my girlfriend built a little hot yoga studio in the living room. We got the electric heaters out. We got the candles going. We got the live stream. You're living. Oh, my God. Okay. What are you doing? So you're doing Yayo's workout plan. No, I'm not. Jacob is. On days that I don't run, I do either that or I'll do something like that. I'll try to find something else to mix it up and something a little bit longer. The Yayo workout plan is good, but it's not as long as I would like it to be. It's more of an amateur workout and you need a professional pump. I get it. I've heard that review before many times in my life. Jesus. I love a good, just a good, honest Jesus. And you're good at those. You are good at those. I think the workout from home. is going to become a huge epidemic on our feeds in the next coming weeks. A lot of people are going to teach us how to work out who should not be doing that. I've seen a lot of low-level influencers already doing it, and I'm like, I don't trust you for fit tea. Why would I trust you for fucking exercise? I don't want you to show me how you squat. And I don't want you to teach me how to make cacio e pepe. Super easy bomb. I don't want them to do any of these things. Well, guys, we're in for a lot more content where this came from. This is why we pod. Well, Jacob, thank you for calling in and having a chat with us. We do this show three days. Jake just texted me his AirPods died. This is fire.

So is he just gone? Is this a hang-up? Yeah, he just literally hung up the podcast because he was so offended by what we were saying. Damn. So, I mean, our new goal for the show, we just hit record and then go until the AirPods die. Exactly. But, yeah, so we're going to keep it going. We'll have a new episode for you on Wednesday, a new episode for you on Friday. Jason, how do you feel? I feel great. Another great Sunday. And we should make an announcement that the show is now available on Apple Podcasts. How could I forget? Yeah, so if you idiots would stop fucking bothering us on Twitter asking us when, okay? I've told you a hundred fucking times that it's going to be there and it's now there. So it's going to show up in your feed if you subscribe. So please subscribe and give us a nice five stars. Give us a nice review. That'll help us. And then we'll keep feeding you this great, very useful, important content. Three days a week. Three days a week. It ain't nothing for two G's. You know what I mean? Follow me at them jeans. Follow me on Twitter at done to death on Instagram at done to death projects. Have a great week guys. We'll talk to you on Wednesday. And also go to Wall Street Journal and look up Jacob Gallagher and you can check out all of his cool writing. He's going to have a lot of great Corona pieces coming up, apparently. If you want to read three weeks worth of Corona opinion pieces, you know where to find them. Okay, guys. See you later. Bye.