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I'm fine with it. I don't care. Emily in Paris is... You'd rather be a basic than a Brooklynite. Exactly. Actually, I think that White Lotus is a little more like gay nerd also. Which is a very up and coming demographic. It's one of the worst demographics that I can think of because chic gay is like number one demographic. So being anything outside of that. And it's only because you hate nerds so much, not because you hate gay people. Exactly. Thank you for clarifying. Even though I said that on the last episode of King Princess because I was forced to say it. There was a proverbial gun to your head. That's right. No, I just I think that the the White Lotus debate. There is no debate. What's the debate? No, not debate. I mean, I think it's like the... The fanfare? Well, it's also like, what is the symbolism? And I'm like, guys, this is not that kind of show. This isn't fucking lost. You've never seen it, though. How do you know? I've seen the first season. Oh, okay. I mean, I'll see anything with what's-her-name in it. I was thinking... I was trying to think what... Because whenever I notice myself hating someone or something, it's because there's a weird subconscious part of... me that i see in that thing or like i'm too close to it so i'm hyper judgmental about things you know i do see a lot of jennifer coolidge in myself so maybe that is but i think it's more so because i'm trying to figure out why you Like the worst shows ever. Like every show that's unwatchable, you stream the whole season. Well, unwatchable for you. That's subjective, of course. But, of course, wildly popular. Probably as popular as White Lotus, like on an actual rating scale. Oh, way more popular. The same way that Walmart's more popular than Barney's. Well, Barney's is no longer with us. Their skincare line is flourishing. Walmart does offer everything you could need. I don't like to go in there because it makes me feel like I need to take a shower. Yeah, well, that's my point. Walmart is a terrible place that people must go to, but it's also the most popular store in the world or whatever. But I don't think White Lotus is niche by any means. I think it's a very popular program. I think the subject matter could be considered niche-ish, I guess. I mean, the same way that The Sopranos is niche because not everyone in the world is a member of the family.

It's a very small percentage of people. Are you talking about OVO again? Are you talking about, oh, okay, the Italians. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The mob. The mafia. The mafia. The Italian mafia. Okay. But I think that the subject matter of the White Lotus, even though every season it changes and it's about a different cast and a different place, it's still about ultra-wealthy people in resorts that are meant for elite people only. People are sort of liberal, well-read. intelligent, top of the food chain percentage, all this stuff. I think that you're too close to all of this. You're too judgmental. You're in the eye of the storm. I get that in my real life. Why do I need it on TV? In Paris, I don't know any basic chicks from Chicago that move to Paris and fuck a bunch of dudes and work in an advertising agency. I'm not as close to that. I guess it boils down to the difference between I want to watch something Because I relate to it versus I want escapism. So you are already living white lives every day. You want to escape that. I want to escape to Paris where a white chick wears hood by air and can't decide between the hot chef and the like... mixed guy from london finance guy who wears suit supply like it's that's more fun to watch okay but what about a show maybe like a southern charm or like a bravo show about white people in the south southern charm because that is also very you look quite literally but that's something that you do gravitate towards southern charm is a great example or the or margo's barking or the new offshoot uh southern hospitality it's about the nightclub business the thriving nightclub business on king street in beautiful charleston okay i think with those shows it's a little bit like i see what my life could have been oh if i make a if i make a few wrong decisions but eat a little less i'm shep you know what i mean i'm shep okay i'm running through i'm running through these fucking hairdressers in charleston i'm fucking drunk every night

That could have been me if I didn't make some good choices. Could you explain who Shep is for people who don't know? Well, Shep is like the hot star of Southern Charm. And he's a bartender? No, no, no. He's like a rich kid. He's like a socialite. Relatively rich who gets drunk and is very popular with women. Okay. And he also wrote a book, of course. What's his book about? Probably about his struggle, like most memoirs. Russian poetry? I'm sure. Actually, you're right. It's probably poetry. I didn't think about that. I'm sorry I assumed that Shep would write kind of a mindless memoir. It's his interpretations of prose. Yes, yeah. He learned Latin for it. I think you're right about that to an extent, but I think that's why I like those bad shows is because they have a southern band that I recognize, but I also see myself. in those positions if I had not made good choices. Okay. It's just something that's always interesting to me, why people like things. Because I can't watch reality television, even though I'm not that smart. Thank you for saying that. It makes me feel so stupid. It makes me feel like the brain cells are being drained from my body whenever I watch anything like that. That's funny because TV, to me, that's the point. I don't want television to challenge me. Like, I can read books. Okay. I don't need to be challenged by art, quote-unquote. Even though I think TV is an important medium that touches millions of lives. What about cinema? Well, you know how I feel about that. Although, you know what? I am going to see the Nan Golden documentary because that touches on subjects I love, Nan Golden and OxyContin. Okay. And it's come recommended to me so highly. Ryan O'Connell wants to see it with me. which I feel like is something that we should do together. Okay, you and your man? Me and my man are going to see a documentary about a beloved photographer taking down the Sackler family. Oh, really? Yeah. Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah, that's what it's about. And it's apparently amazing. I mean, it's getting all these amazing reviews. Good for them. So I'm going to go check that out. Do keep us posted. Don't worry. The only thing that will get your ass into a movie theater is...

A gay person, apparently. Well, I can't do OxyContin in the movie theater anymore, which was one of my favorite things. You want to talk about set and setting. So if I can watch one of my favorite photographers take down the family and get those names removed from all the museums. uh-huh second best thing so much like uh the emily in paris season three spoiler alert you know what that is well it's a known i mean yeah it happened it's a document yeah it's a known story i think this is the best way so he eventually nan wins uh yeah so the sackler family and that they're all out of business right they don't i don't think so but i think that they did at least i think that though they took a couple names off of a wall i think like a lot which is kind of crazy because it's like a $100 million donation to get your name removed. Getting your name on it and then getting it removed is kind of unprecedented in that world. You'd have to do something really bad to get the name taken off, to get the exacto knife out and scratch it off. They probably had to power wash the fucking building. That's not cheap. The company that you own has to kill, I don't know, 100,000, 200,000? Millions. But it is a funny thing because it does seem, I understand why you're mocking it and you're right on some level, but when you're that kind of person, that's one of the worst blows you can get to your ego. Oh. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like, if you donate that much money, the only reason you're doing that is so your name is on the fucking MoMA. That's the only reason you're doing it. It's for ego. There's no other. Like, I'm sure you love the arts as much as the next guy, but, like, you want your fucking name on the building. So, yeah, okay. That all makes sense, I suppose. I mean, look, this is what people do when they're rich. I would never do that. We know because you think poor. That's the problem. If I had billions of dollars, I'm going to give a museum $100 million just so, what, they can just keep making more money? Fuck that. Museums don't make money. That's the thing. Oh, really? I mean, they stay in business. Is that right? They don't make any money? I don't think they're throwing off profits. I mean, I would rather do that than give my money to environmental causes or give it all away when I die and not give any to my children.

There's a lot of better ways, I would say. I mean, it's important to go to an art museum and see a curation. Well, I think people are just going to give money to whatever they, you know. It's like if your sister died of cancer, you're going to get a hospital wing named after you because you care about cancer. If you love the arts. I'm going to think about what I'm going to do when I finally crow. I can't wait until the dog graveyard is named the Vim Jeans Doggy Resting Place. Dog graveyard. I don't care about no dogs. I did, before I forget, I wanted to give a quick shout-out to a cigarette company that sent me cigarettes. They're called Hestia, H-E-S-T-I-A. A lot of people have been hitting me up whenever I go out. I was at the Celine show and all these parties this week, and I pull them out, and everyone has a question about them. They're a cigarette company and they're not available. Support small tobacco. That's what we need to do. Yeah, support small tobacco. You guys are putting money in the pockets of Philip Morris and these other murderers. Give it to a nice guy who did a better job with good packaging. Yeah. It's no additives, all that shit. Maybe the way that American Spirits were. It's really cool. It's a very interesting business. We've talked about it a lot. The challenges to get that product to market are, I would... Some would say insurmountable. Yeah. To be able to do that. A Herculean task. Yeah, a Herculean task. It's very impressive. It really is. To start in the year 2022, to start a tobacco company and actually have it happen. Yeah. And have it be approved. Fully realized. And be able to sell it in stores. That's a crazy, crazy task. Shout out to our friends at the FDA. We know you're listening. I'm sure it's only seconds away from Philip Morris either destroying them or acquiring them. There's only two ways it's going to go. We hope that doesn't happen. Do you want the silver or do you want the lead, as they say? That's the Ghia model. Um, so yeah, go give that a Google. Uh, if you like smoking cigarettes, I just want to, I'm, you know, I can't buy the cigarettes cause it's illegal in, in California cause they're not here yet. Oh, I see. But I can talk about it. So all we can do is support verbally. Yeah, that's right. Okay. We do what we can, you know, Nissan. We love those guys too. Yeah. Um, so yeah, let's, um, what do we need to get into? I guess the Celine.

Fashion show? I mean, much like White Lotus, I've heard everything I need to know, but please, I would love to hear a first-hand account. Well, since I don't... Actually, I already heard your account. I already saw it somewhere else. I was misquoted in the Wall Street Journal. I don't think you were misquoted. I think you didn't like how you came off and you're having some regrets on your little loud mouth, which is something that I can relate to. There was a distillation of my prose that I found unsettling. Okay. I think, though, that your sentiment of... This is fine, but also, like, can't you do something new is reasonable. I guess that was, I mean, that's not, I don't know. I guess I don't even know what my sentiment was. I felt like what I took away from our discussions, for those who are uninitiated and don't have Instagram and don't look at pictures of 80-year-old men with their shirts off, the Celine show at the Wiltern featured 150-year-old iguana Iggy Pop. followed by the strokes followed by interpol yeah so this is a indie sleeve style the kills dj said in the lobby in between the kills dj said is honestly the most washed part of the whole thing that's crazy the kill the kills were only relevant to fashion brands and like nylon magazine that's right Yeah, I remember when I was doing parties back in the day that Kills DJ said, I'd be like... But never forget that Allison from the Kills is in an amazing, amazing... Episode of No Reservations with Anthony Bourdain? No, they definitely fucked. Of course, of course. I mean, no, she was... She was in a band from Gainesville, Florida called Discount. It is amazing. And you can find it probably on YouTube. It's giving crusty pop punk vibes. It's so catchy, so good. I would highly recommend checking that out on the World Wide Web. But Jason, I'm sorry. So you go to the Celine party. You do, Molly. Well, I go to the Celine party there. First of all, PETA was protesting out front, like tons of people, megaphones, giant banners and shit. Did they throw any red paint on your?

Floor link mink? I was trying to instigate it. I wanted to be the one that got doused, but nobody. It's crazy to see the douser go to the doused. Isn't that funny how life comes at you like that? I was like, will somebody super glue their hand to me? Anybody? These Uggs are swayed. Please put your hand on them. Oh, this is huge for me personally. This episode of How I'm Gone is brought to you by TaskRabbit. Oh, baby, let me tell you something. This is not a joke. I use TaskRabbit a lot because I can't do anything. Do you need some art hung? TaskRabbit. You need something put together, a cabinet. Got to reach that cheese grater on the top shelf? TaskRabbit. Anything you need, TaskRabbit can take care of it for you. How it works, TaskRabbit connects you with skilled taskers in your area. They can help you move. They can assemble furniture. repairs, yard work, mounting, and more. You can search for a Tasker based on cost, skill set, availability, and past client reviews so you know exactly who's showing up and can have confidence that they know what they're doing because Taskers have assembled over 3.4 million pieces of furniture, completed 700,000 home repairs, handled 1.5 million moves, and the numbers are just going up, Jason. Yeah, throw a little money at the problem. It's not so expensive, and that job that you really don't want to do is something that another person out in the world, is very good at doing and would gladly do it in exchange for a little bit of money. So when life happens, your to-do list grows. Get ahead of it now and get $15 off your first task at TaskRabbit.com or grab the TaskRabbit app using promo code. How long? Taskers book up faster, especially for same-day tasks. So book trusted home help today. That is $15 off your first task using promo code howlong with the TaskRabbit app or at TaskRabbit.com. All right, this episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by Quince. Jason, the temps are warming up. It's getting hot out there. Summer always changes how I get dressed. I need pieces that feel lighter, more breathable.

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It's tough. Where do we draw the line? This is the thing. Oh, I like that. Crossword puzzles. Where do we draw the line? Where do we draw the line? But I think the thing is, Jason, when you're crossing the picket line, when you're checking into the chateau and you have to kind of weave through the guys banging on the pots and pans, it's supposed to make you think about your life, think about the decisions you make. And unfortunately, it does nothing like that for me and clearly doesn't do anything like that for you. You walked right into the show. did a nummy of Molly, got your sling guitar pick, put it on a necklace, and rocked out. Yeah, then I immediately started rocking out. When you walked in, they had little tray passes, bottles of champagne that ran out in 47 seconds. Sure. And they closed the bar until after the show. So there was an hour and a half time where you couldn't get a water, a glass of champagne, anything. You know, the Molly's kicking in. You're geeked out. It was only a little bit, though. It was just enough to stay awake. So my... The biggest thing... You know, I had cotton mouth like a motherfucker. I'm like, can I just have a glass of water? And they're like... The bar's closed. So you didn't bring your hydro flask? What kind of fucking party is that? They wouldn't let you bring your hydro flask in with some nice reishi tea? I didn't think I would have to. Understood. Well, what I've heard about, obviously besides Iggy Pop, the up-close photos of Iggy Pop looking absolutely insane with his shirt off, and losers rushing the stage for the strokes like it's Morrissey. My fiancé also. I've heard that... The show, the fashion show, the program, consisted of one White Stripes song for 25 minutes. Yeah. Or whatever. They play it 25, whatever the case may be. Let's be very clear how Long Gone stands against the White Stripes. They suck. Of course. Jack White, except for one song called Hotel Yorba. Great song. Jack White sucks even worse. And his attacks on Elon Musk are not going to be tolerated. Because he was ganged out with Musk. They were boys. I didn't know that. And now he's burning him online. He's switching teams? You're such a fucking dork. You have blue hair. You're 50 years old. I don't care how good you are, guitar. Anyway.

How did that make you feel? Because if you're on drugs, I feel like that can make you feel like you're in prison. So that was sort of the talk of the town at the show after it finished was everyone was saying, like, I felt like I felt nauseous. I said it felt like I was in a fever dream. And I don't know. You know, I talked to Julia Cummings, and she's a close personal friend. Yeah, she's been in some campaigns. And I made the mistake of maybe. talking a little too zesty about it in her presence, forgetting that they were close. And her point was, you know, she was very nice about it. Obviously a very... diplomatic person, Julia, great person, but she was like, oh, Hedy likes to do that. It's sort of a signature thing of his to take one song and then kind of loop it so you get this maybe hypnotic... I think it's, in theory, a cool idea because that's how I actually listen to music. You know I love to loop. We know you love to loop. I've seen you hit that button a million times. But I think that when I like a song... I will listen to it 20 times in one. I'll listen to it over and over. That's toxic and that's problematic. That's fine, but that's what I do because nowadays no one puts out an album that has good songs. They put out one song that's good in 23 fillers. Shout out to SZA. So I think that I understand the methodology. I just think he chose maybe the wrong. song. But who am I to judge? He's a genius. I like the fact that you're at a fashion show and it's a multimedia thing. There's lights and there's sound. It's all this stuff happening, and it makes you feel this emotion, and you're supposed to feel this amazing feeling when you see, you know, you're looking at Tom Ford for Gucci archival runway footage, and then that one look comes down the runway, and just, like, I can't hold back my tears. I'm just so over, and the perfect song is playing with the perfect outfit, with the perfect model, and you're just like, yes, this is it. So you didn't, you're telling me that when Kaya Gerber came out,

And the White Stripes is on the 24th go around the sun. Kaya was looking good. I've seen what Kirstie Godsell has done for Kaya. Yeah, there was a few moments where it felt amazing, but they only happened at the beginning. So the lights come on, or all the lights go down, and everyone's like, yeah, we're getting ready to see the show. And then there's a couple minutes, and then there's like... a sound of somebody, like, calling an operator, like, brrr, hello, this is the operator of Celine Clothing, actually, leave, you know, leave him. And then everyone's like, and then, like, the Jay-Z reluctantly rocking with it. GIF is happening, like, okay, minute three of this, okay. So there's a lot of build-up, is what you're saying. There's a lot of build-up, which is fine. I was only a little bit of a crab apple because I just wanted a glass of water or something. A Perrier Jouet with a straw on it, for Christ's sakes. And then the curtains come up, and then there's this big logo, like a light-up animatronic. The beautiful Celine Trouf. Yeah, it was like the weekend visuals, the crazy stage production. And then there's a conveyor belt, and then one single model's just standing there, and then she's in a very fierce pose, giving cunt. Okay. But she's frozen, but she's moving across. Okay, like one of Japan's famous sushi conveyor belts. Exactly. They've put these beautiful models and their collarbones on a conveyor belt. Yes, or like our brave frontline workers at Amazon warehouse shipping facilities where they're... They're forced to wallow in their own piss and vomit. That's just so they can't take a bathroom break because if they get off, they die. I just think it's funny that you said it was going to be a two-day delivery, but it actually came on Wednesday instead of Tuesday. I don't care how long you had to hold it. I need Christmas lights for my tree. My girlfriend said she needed those yoga toes, and what am I supposed to do? You're making it my problem now. It's cool that you gave me a refund, but that doesn't help me.

So that happens in this, you know, a cool model wearing cool Celine clothes is going, and then stops right in the middle. And then when that White Stripe song kicks in, in the beautiful Wiltern Theater, great sound, great acoustics, and it's like, and she starts walking to the beat, and those ugly ass floppy boots are going, everyone's like, oh, damn, this is going to be. Amazing. And it's loud and it's rocking. Kid Cudi and King Princess are in the front row not getting along. The guy from Queens of the Stone Age in the front row. Oh, you know Josh Homie's in the fucking building. Josh Homie was sitting next to Julian Casablancus and I didn't realize it was Casablancus until maybe minute 18 because Carolyn was like... Damn, there go Julian. I was like, I swear to God, I thought that was Josh Holmes' security friend bodyguard. Julian Casablanca looks like he works at Crossroads. He dresses like he works at Crossroads. Julian Casablanca has run the Crossroads like a Navy. So everyone is just rocking and vibing, and it's cool. There's these models that are very slender, part of the Celine game plan. Yeah, Celine's bringing it back. I would say half the models are walking as if they have enough nutrition in their body, and they're getting enough calories every day. They were kind of hopping with the beat and turning left and turning right. And then some of them, it was a little bit, you know when you see the dog where one of the legs didn't work so good? Dragging a little bit. Dragging a little bit. There was a couple girls like that. Well, they could have had a big night at the Hollywood Roosevelt or something before. Who knows? I'm not going to blame that on calorie intake. I'm going to blame that on substance abuse. Okay. That's just my guess. Either way it works. Sometimes those two things do go hand in hand. Yeah, yeah. It doesn't have to be one or the other. I don't want to rule out the lethal combo. Don't sleep on the gray area. Chris, don't sleep on the gray area, bro. But then, you know, and the song Hello Operator, it's just like a rocking song that you would hear in a Bud Light commercial, but the lyrics are just Jack White screaming,

Hello, operator. And then he screams, find the canary. There's nobody home. There's nobody to answer the phone. How you going to get the money? And so those five lines are repeated over and over and over again. And then people started looking around as if, like, are we being trolled? Is this really happening? Am I the only one who is recognizing this? And then all the outfits. similar looking collection. It's not all over the place. Sure. They kind of stick with one game plan. So as the 90th model comes out with another skinny jeans and blazer and giant floppy bag over the elbow and the song's playing again, I'm like, have I already seen this look? And it's hypnotizing you in a way that is maybe not as ethereal. Or powerful. It was hypnotizing me in a dark way, not in a good way. It was like, I'm getting hypnotized by this cigarette guy, but he's hypnotizing me to make me smoke more instead of quit smoking. Yeah, I see. So maybe there were no standouts in the collection because it was all starting to melt together because of the music. There was no dynamic range. It was all just like, and then everyone's looking around, and then that's when people start laughing. About halfway through. Josh Holm and Julian are busting up. Everyone is laughing. Everyone's looking around like, bro, is this from real? That's cool. And then the one lyric where Jack White screams, find the canary, then people start screaming that. Like at the after party, I would just scream, find the canary! And then like 10 other people would do it back to me. It's a rallying cry. Yeah, it's like a rallying cry. It's a protest. Or if I would scream, find the canary. you know, a sentence that makes no sense whatsoever. It doesn't make sense in the song either, to be fair. And then I'll have, you know, if people don't yell it back to me, then two random women will come up to me and like, whisper in the ear like, Jesus. So it wasn't well received by the crowd.

I don't know. I mean, I talked to a lot of people about it because it was so interesting to me. And there was, I was talking to a girl right afterwards and she had a little bit more of like a 5D brain thought. She was like, there's so like these giant billion dollar companies and LVMHs and the VC companies that own them. And then the lizards that own them. It's like, these are, these are things that are happening to create a viral moment. And it's not like, but I don't, nobody else. thought that this made sense or believed this theory, but she was saying they intentionally made this bad so everyone would talk about it, everyone would tweet about it, everyone would post about it. I don't think they intentionally made it bad, but I think they made choices that were... I think they made decisions that were intended to make people talk about it. It's like spending $15 million to have... three bands play in a is like that's that's all that is you know yeah yeah yeah because i told you we talked about this before but it's like it's a competition so you can spend the most money for virality and i'm like okay like celine this is it this is the last time i ever want to hear about i've heard about it all fucking week i've seen everybody's shitty posts it's over it's done but like all right so you spent i'm gonna guess at least 10 million dollars let's just be safe at least 10 million dollars yeah and you got a week of you know i'm sure the report you're getting from the PR team is fucking insane. The KPIs are crazy. The engagement is insane. But what are the sales looking like, though? How would you spend $10 million instead? Do you want me to go first? No, I don't think that's... Hypothetically. I would obviously donate it to a museum and get the black wing. No, I'm kidding. You work at Celine. They're like, here's a $10 million marketing budget. Let's get the most... return on our investment, what are we going to do? That's the problem. It depends on what the... The return on investment can be so many things. Are you trying to acquire new customers? Are you trying to just drive... What's that CAC doing? Just drive... Are you trying to just raise awareness? There's so many different things. They could have been trying to do all of it, of course, but I think that... They're trying to do all of that. I just don't know if it's like... I think that...

I mean, people that really buy designer clothes, for the most part, like really buy it, are, like you said, like 19-year-old Chinese influencers, and they want to go to this to party, and they're going to buy this shit no matter what. Yes. Because somebody brings it to their house, or they text them pictures of it, and they have their credit card on file, and then it gets delivered to their house. Like, this hat costs $11,000. Do you want it, yes or no? Yeah. They say yes. Because somebody like you or I, even, who will occasionally buy a designer piece of clothing, we're not the, like... We're not the audience. If I want to buy a Celine blazer, first of all, I'm not Sam Hines, so it won't fit. I would go into the store. I'm a little too hippie myself as well. And do the whole thing. And I would leave. It doesn't matter. This doesn't matter at all. Like, this doesn't matter at all. You're not going to be like, oh, today's the day. I saved up all my money. I'm going to go to the Celine store and buy this blazer. And then you look up on your Instagram. They're like, they booked Interpol? I hate Interpol. Yeah. Or I love Interpol. Like, or either or. Or like, oh, I. I don't like these bands at all, so I'm going to instead buy a Lanvin Blazer. That's never going to happen. But they don't have anything else. It's like, what do you do? Because the performance is obviously what gets people on Chubb. The other option is what? BTS? What are you going to do? Get Ice Spice? That's a good point. You know what I mean? What is the other option? When you look at what's really, really big and costs this much money, it will cause this much of a ripple through... you know, Instagram or whatever, that's it. There's nothing. It's like, yeah, no, I guess I was, I was wondering like, is it a revival? Is it like, cause it's, it sort of seems like somebody is like the same way you're talking about money from the Sacklers donating it to the arts or whatever to support these arts and preserve them in a museum. Like this art is so powerful. It should be preserved in this museum. There's a little bit of that similar vibe with, you know, this Iggy pop and the strokes.

And blah, blah, blah. This is art that needs to be preserved. Yeah. Even though they're still making, you know, they have so much fucking money. It's not a financial thing, but it's more of like people need to see these. Well, I think it's also just like a classic case of exactly what you or I would do in this situation, which is like, I like this. I'm going to book my favorite school, so I'm going to fucking do it. I don't give a shit, which I deeply respect. Because I kind of realized when all these streetwear brands use all their little dusty hip-hop guys, and I'm like, that's fucking lame. I don't want to see fucking Primo scratching in a Sherling coat. And then I'm like, well, I'd probably have Dando scratching in a Sherling coat. It's the same shit. It's the exact same thing. Same dust, different brooms. Yeah, you just get to an age, and people our age are now, I mean, Heidi's obviously older, but in general, people our age are in these positions of power. So you're going to use that money to work with people you want to work with, whether it's a photographer or a stylist or a band or a DJ. Like, that's what you do. I guess that reminds me of when we had King Princess on and she was saying, like, when I finally started making some bucks, I didn't want to buy fucking yachts and Lamborghinis. I just wanted to buy all the shit from when I was a kid that I thought was cool. Exactly the same. And if you're like, this was cool when I was a kid. Yeah, I can fucking get Julian Casablanca to basically play the eight songs that I like, and it's not my money, and everyone loves it. I mean, I just think it's also just like, this is so hotly debated among our circle. particularly because we lived through it the first time so i think it feels extra pointed at us i'm in the eye of the storm yeah and i don't care about it's weird i don't care about the strokes at all really like i think they're good but that doesn't like i would probably i don't know none of that excites me really but i also know that there's no what was the other option right how chili peppers like who's that big that plays guitars it's like

Interpol's fucking huge. It's like Interpol and The Strokes are kind of it. 1975, maybe. Yeah, but I'm saying older. If you want that nostalgia thing, you know what I mean? If you want to play on that, MGMT ain't hitting like this. Passion Pit ain't hitting like The Strokes. What else is there? Maybe it was perfect booking. Yeah, no, I think it was. That's the thing. And people were fucking excited about it. It was the hottest ticket. It was the most talked about thing I've seen happen in LA. Since I've lived here, for sure. And I'm just very happy about it that I had better seats than anyone I know for whatever reason. You know what, Jason? So I'm starting to understand the hierarchy of where you're seated at a show. It's very important. I just like that. It's very important. Even though that seat had absolutely nothing to do with you and your stature, I do appreciate that as a Los Angeles nightlife architect and triple OG. However it happens, it's happening, and that's what matters. Speaking of Tuesday night, what's going on Tuesday night? Okay. Yeah, I'm playing a Cinespace reunion event on Tuesday. Jason is going B2B with a longtime friend of his and friend of the show, Dano, at a Cinespace reunion, not taking place. No, not the original Sin Space. It's at a venue downtown because I don't think it's open. It's definitely not open. It's at a venue downtown, and Jason has unfortunately alerted me that he is playing period correct music, so I'm going to have to hear Justice for over an hour. You're going to get to hear Justice for an hour. I just hope there's a valet at this place, and you go on before midnight. I will. I can't promise the valet. I don't know if there'll be a valet. Okay, but you can. It could be an Uber night. I don't Uber in LA. It takes too long. So we have DJ Them Jeans and Dano. Uffy. Uffy. But I was looking for your co-architect, Pizza Impresario, Stephen Aoki. Stephen Aoki. And apparently he's too busy. Yeah. I'm going downtown. He's going to the moon. He's been chosen, handpicked by a billionaire to join him in space. Yes.

Do you think that Aoki would rather be playing a Cinespace reunion and he felt like he couldn't say no to this guy? Fuck no. Okay. So you think Aoki is not showing respect? No, I think if he was in town and he was available, he would definitely come for sure. But he's often not in town. I mean, he doesn't even live here. He lives in Las Vegas. He's always in Indonesia or something. Yeah, he's made himself... you know he's relocated to a tax shelter which is smart when you're making that kind of bread yes but so yeah he's a tax shelter do you have now this music um this awful awful music do you have this somewhere are you going to have to re-download no no i have it okay i i've like maybe five years ago or so i made a playlist of all this music it's like here's an hour of this bullshit and i can mix it with Sure. With my eyes closed, hands behind my back, I've played it a thousand times, and it just... Okay, so which Block Party remix? Can I make any special requests? No remix of Block Party. I'd play the OGs. Okay, perfect, because they have a great kind of beat that is high energy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It doesn't need to be remixed, if you ask me. Okay, good to know. All right, well, I can't wait, personally. I mean, I can wait, but I'm going to go. It'll be... I don't know. It's one of those weird things where, like... As a person who doesn't DJ anymore, when somebody's like, hey, do you want to do this thing? And I'll be like, yes, as long as you give me thousands and thousands of dollars, we'll do it. But I feel like I have a little bit of a duty. yeah to perform at this thing because it's like a part of my life yeah and then you know i shouldn't do it for the money i understand but it's also like a bit like someone's getting paid off of this i understand not wanting to do it but i also think that you're right it's the right thing to do and it'll probably be fine it's fine my question is though are people our age going to um try to shove their uh new bodies

uh-huh into their gold lame american apparel their old bodies you mean in shutter shades or i don't think people are just gonna look normal i think people are gonna look normal there'll probably be a handful of folks who are dusting off the fucking neon and shit but yeah okay i don't know i mean maybe i actually i need to pull a vintage piece of some sort i'll i can if we go on etsy right now but we can find a purple zip up hoodie i mean i have I have like a Rubbermaid bin of a few grails from that era. How many Ed Banger t-shirts do you... Two. An Ed Banger t-shirt, honestly, would be tasteful. I threw a lot of it away. An Ed Banger... But also, I have vintage Them Jeans t-shirts like that. Dude, wearing... Your own shirt? I'll just wear the suit with my own shirt. Wearing a suit with your own shirt. Another fierce look. I would love to see you in the So Me Illustrated Ed Banger. Bro, I've had so many of those. God damn it. It's like some weird puffy paint hysteric glamour collab thingy. I guess it's probably not worth anything though. No, but you never know. There's fans of everything. Well, I can't wait. Wait on it. I did want to speak about music a little bit, and I alluded to this earlier, but I've been listening to this SZA album that everyone is rock hard for. But something happened to me today that sent me over the edge. And I was listening to the Joe Budden podcast. Okay. And there's a white guy. Damn. Fucking dogs. There's a white guy on the podcast who's like an engineer named Parks. Parks is his name? Yeah, he's a big guy. He's like, your height, yeah. Okay. And Parks said, SZA, this is kind of giving cat power. And I was like, do not. Wait, a guy on the Joe Budden podcast? Yes, exactly. He is white. He is white. I know, but how does that happen? It gets worse. Okay. They start comparing this mid-SZA album to Cat Power, an absolute legend in the game. Then Joe Budden plays Mazzy Star.

Oh, shit. And is like, I'd be rocking with this white girl. Shit, this is fire. SZA sounds like this. And I'm like, this is not what SZA sounds like. So Joe Budden knew who Mazzy Star was? I don't think he knew who Mazzy Star was. I think he just knew that song. I think he knows Fade Into You because it was like a huge hit. Yeah. It was of the time. I was just thrown into an absolute. downward spiral no trend this was a world's collide it was a world's collide because i was like is that a power man 5000 song i gotta maybe it could be the end but so these guys are literally saying that this that like you don't understand the level of storytelling on this album it's 23 tracks it's beautiful it takes you through her break i'm like yeah but there's no songs why don't you give joe buttons the benefit of the doubt he he is your conduit to this world he let him guide you no i i've let him keep your i've listened to the extremely long since the album twice because i i love her voice i think she has such a beautiful voice yeah and i like what a cutie too she's got some songs she's got some slaps in the like over the years and the bar cuffs but it's just the same it's it's it's background music it's the same thing and i just don't it's honestly starting to affect my psyche because i'm like am i crazy No, you're just old. It's just the style of the song has changed. But it's not about a style of a song, because any style of song can be a hit, like can have like a big chorus and feel good. Yeah, any song can be a hit and have a big chorus and feel good. But also, if something is just in a style that you particularly don't care for, it's a non-starter. And so many of... But if you listen to, if we're comparing this, if we give this like, okay, like Erykah Badu or Lauryn Hill, those are fucking hits. Yes. Those are unbelievable kind of songs. Or if you go Janet Jackson, Mariah Carey, unbelievable, time-tested, insane songs. These Scissor songs, forgettable. That's because they're different styles of songs. They are, but are they? Yes. I'll give you an example. Is it the same intention, though? Similar, yes. Similar, no. So you have a Lauryn Hill song, and it's, you know...

A lot of her songwriting style and her flow and delivery is in a doo-wop-y kind of vibe. There's an angle, and your brain from that era, when you were born, that works well for you. You understand it. You put a square peg in a square box, and it's all good. And then young people, they're listening to weird shit, and they're on different social media platforms, and they're talking differently. They're using different slang, and they're singing songs differently. Like a SZA song is like... I just think it's funny that... And that's why you're so crazy. I'm not crazy. So you're listening to it, and the beat sounds the same. You can understand how... The production is good. It sounds expensive. The production is good, but it's just like she happens to sing. And it's the same way Kendrick is just like... Or like Eminem. It's like Eminem is the best rapper alive. The way that he raps, nobody thinks it's fun to listen to. So most people are like, I'm good. No, of course. But Eminem's... Yeah, no, I agree. But if you're like an 18-year-old Urban Outfitters shopper, the way that SZA song sounds good to your brand because that's how you talk. I think it sounds good because it does. You know what I mean? Because her voice is nice, the production, it sounds good. My point is that the fact that people are making 23 song albums that don't have a single song. that that i'm or maybe one song out of 23 that i'm like oh this fucking slaps like that steve lacy record i don't like that record but when i heard when he played it for me in his car a demo of bad habit i was like this is a fucking smash this is a smash like i just don't like i don't understand how you can how people i don't know it's like it doesn't matter the genre it doesn't matter the artist like there is kind of like a a through line of like if it's if you got it you got it Yeah. That's what I'm saying. But now we've sort of moved away from here's the album, here's the single. If it doesn't have a smash on it, there's no point in releasing it versus here's our body of work. Like the turnstile album, for example. Here's an album. There's a theme. There's skits and different interludes in between, and it all has a flow to it. But there's no smash hit single.

Yeah, I agree. There's, like, a few songs that stand out a little bit more than the others, but people are appreciating it as a body of work. It turns out it's supposed to be, like, an underground, like, hardcore band, and it just happened to cross over. Sizz is, like, a pop star. Like, that's the deal. She's, like, a super... She's very famous. She's associated with other very famous people. I'm not saying that we need to put those... I guess it's not, like, unnecessary expectations. I just think that when you're at that level... I'm expecting to hear. Maybe it's on me, obviously. It is on you. I'm expecting to be like, all right, well, where are the fucking songs then? All right, you got some. So you gave me 23 vibes? Like, cool, but that's not what the promise was from consumers. Well, we're in a post-song. We're a post-song. Post-song world, and it is more about the vibes. It is more about the vibes. And that's going to be hard for your little peanut brain to wrap around. It really does. It crushes my spirit. Like a walnut. As a longtime music lover, it really does crush my spirit because I want to be excited about this. I've got the solution for you, Chris. There's a genre of music that I've been loving for decades where having a smash is paramount still. It's called EDF. Okay, all right. So you're saying... I have my MacBook Pro here. There's thousands and thousands of MP3s on here. You're saying that if I just put on the Swedish House Mafia, all my problems will be solved? No, not just any Swedish House Mafia song. Certain. Certain. Okay. But you can listen to a Swedish House Mafia song, and here's the songs that are like... Sure, but they got the ones. And then that one, two, and song eight, that's the one. So because you have to make a decision. I have all these songs on my laptop. I'm going to go DJ for an hour. I can only play, you know, 20 songs or something. So it makes the decision so easy. It's like, oh, I'm only going to play the hits. Yeah. And that's it. So you have to have a hit or else no one's going to play your song. No, no. I just, I find this particularly interesting because I want.

I usually don't want to like something. EDM's been sitting here this whole time, sweetie. Your mistress. She comes sit on my lap for a while. But I guess it's because I really wanted to like this because I think she's like a singular talent. And I was just like, damn, this is mid as fuck. Because the only thing she's doing is singing. I mean, and the lyrics are crazy. But the lyrics are laughably generational in a way that I'm like, this is amazing. This is literally like, it's like the way people text. Yeah. You know, which is genius is genius because that's speaking directly to her like generation. So I think that's like, it's brilliant. You think it's funny. You think it's genius and funny, but it's not making you come back. No, I'll never listen to this again, but I think it's all smart. And it's, it's also, this is what they're talking about on Joe Budden, which I thought was interesting. Is that like. you say when you wait six years to put out a record it's giving your like basically everyone's like it's mid or they're like this is the best thing in the fucking world it's on some avatar 2 shit exactly there's no in between like this is all you have to do is make the best movie ever made and it's gonna be everything's gonna work out just right look it's gonna be great and reports are coming in that he literally has done that I wouldn't know. I haven't seen the first one. I won't be seeing the second one. I mean, I saw the first one. Nobody remembers it. It was, what, 20 years ago? Because you were high or because it was so long ago? No, because it came out in, like, 1991. Sure. No, 2001? I don't fucking know. It came out a long time ago. I never saw it. But, like, the people who have seen, like, a few of the critics are just starting to see it. And they're like, fuck me. He really did do it. Damn. Like, he actually did make the best movie. Cameron did done did it? Yeah, he fucked around and made that movie. He put his whole foot in that motherfucking Avatar 2 sequel, which is so cool. It is cool. I think it's so cool that somebody is like, because it's like, oh, he has to make $2 billion at the box office to break even on this film. And I see that headline on Drudgy, and I'm like, bro, this Paramount Studios is going to go out of business. This is cool. I don't want to see a global disaster, but it's still kind of fun to watch. Yeah, of course. You want to drive by the car accident on the freeway.

But he might actually do it. He might do it if a movie, if there's any movie that comes out that stays in theaters longer than a week before it goes on streaming, he could do it. I will see it. When I see the preview for The Whale, and I'm like, bruh, I will watch this on any screen except a movie screen. Yeah, yeah. Because it doesn't have to be. I mean, Avatar 2. And that little blue bitch demands. Little Jar Jar Binks looking ass demands. Will you go see Avi 2 with me? Fuck no. It's only three hours and eight minutes. Bro, I would rather die. Honestly, that is my nightmare. But also, James Cameron, they're like, what do you think about everyone saying, like, this movie's over three hours. What the fuck is you doing? And he was like, my kids watch eight hours of streaming television every day. No, he's right. And then he said, like... I don't give a fuck. If you have to go pee, go pee. Come back. Movie's still on. Suck my dick. I'm like, this is all cool. I'll watch Eight Hours of Winter House and buy it on Amazon Prime. Is that a Korean drama? No, no, no, no, it's not. It's another reality show that brings together members of the Bravo Leberties together in a ski house in Vermont, and they drink and fuck. You want to be on it, but you don't want to watch it? The description and premise is good, but I just hate, you know, in my short lifetime, Not that short, but go ahead. Compared to the eons of human existence on planet Earth. Of course, yes, of course. In that case, yes, it is a short lifetime. In this tense, I am very old, weeks to live. But you would hear and see titles of things. Movies and TV shows are like, that's interesting. Yes. You know, this show is called blah, blah, blah. So you're saying Winter House is too simple for you? And then you watch like an idiocracy movie and it's like, what's, you know, instead of Budweiser, it's like beer, drink. Yeah. And like, let's go to movies. place and you know winter house sounds like that like it's just made for cavemen trust me everybody that listens to this podcast that watches winter house is happy for this visibility because they know it's a classic i'm sure it's a classic but let's have a better name no the name i hate appealing to the simplicity of the name the directness of the name this is the problem we we over describe things and something simple pared down maybe the maybe the best answer

I disagree because if you didn't tell me what Winter House was about, I would have no idea. I would assume that it's like a rom-com. Okay, what does White Lotus sound like to you? It sounds like a fucking spa where I get my foot rub for 40 bucks, but that's not what it is, is it? It's about a luxury resort that I'm sure does have a spa in it. But you're making my point where it's like, oh, this show's called White Lotus. And you're like, I'm interested. Like, what is that about? It could be about so many things. But Winter House, it just sounds like... I see. You're saying it's too... It sounds like they asked a three-year-old to name a movie about skiing or whatever. Okay, well, they do ski and snowboard as well, but it's always under the influence of alcohol and drugs. But, yeah. You keep telling me what happens on this show, and I'm like, there's so many cool things to name this show other than Winter House. There's even a guy named Craig on it. So that's nice. I know you like that. Craig doesn't move the chains as much as the other stuff. I'm sure he's a great guy. But just have a little, you know, as we continue to get dumber and dumber, please just name stuff less dumb. This season they have introduced an Asian female character. TJ coming back. But if love and romance and sex and winter action sports are involved in there. Throw a few of these adjectives in there. Winter house is what? I live in a house and it's winter? Okay, so maybe if it was just drunk winter house or snowboard winter house or hookup winter house, that's better for you. Yeah, HPV, jingle bell, rock, snow. Toppy in the snow? Yeah, pro-choice, snowboard. You know what I like about it the most is that they like... First of all, these shows, it's like they're in this house for like two weeks. It's not like they're there for a long time. It's a little like a vacation. They don't even unpack their suitcase. Yeah, they do. They bring so much stuff. And every shot where they're leaving the house. I can already tell the rest of the shows about Winter House. There's 15. No, no. There's like 15 Amazon boxes in front of that. Like, what do you order? You're here for two weeks. But my point, they just like, they do a lot of. I need my body pillow. Themed nights.

They do a lot of costumery, which I know you love, and they do a lot of dressing up. They're like, all right, tonight's this night, tonight's that night, and they just get wasted in this house, and they live like absolute shit and wear costumes. I think actually now that I'm talking this out, the Amazon boxes are like wigs and shit. See, and this – okay, now I'm losing it because you know when you go to a wedding? Yeah. And they're like, here's our photo booth. You're wearing a tuxedo. You're wearing a ball gown. It's that. You both look the most beautiful you're ever going to look today. We'll take a nice photo of you, and everything will look great. And then now, at some point, they're like, you have to wear these glasses, and you wear a boa, and you wear a hat. Here's a fake mustache for your chick. It do be like that. It's the same thing as that, which nothing angers me more than that. But what about cornhole? I mean, at least cornhole involves a little skill. That's right. Cornhole is only used if it's like you and your girlfriend's husband that you don't get along with and don't have much in common. You pull down a Lagunitas, crack one for him. You throw it because you need an activity. You're saying you're chick's friend's husband. No, no, no. You're chick's. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Your chick's friend's husband. Okay, that's right. And you're like, we don't really have much in common, but like... Her and her friend... They grew up together. They're so close. They're going to sit on two chairs, and they're going to catch up, and they're going to have a wonderful contract. They're having a nice, dry Sauvignon Blanc, and you and fucking... Craig and I... You and Craig are going to get two... I'm going to go over to the Yeti. Pull out a couple. Pull out a couple of... A couple of two racer IPAs, a couple of logs. Let me get two Sun Junes. A couple of Sun Juns. Support those guys. Diplo needs the cash. Get a couple. You okay with the raspberry rose hip watermelon? You want that one? Okay. Let me get two of those. This one's Meyer lemon chervil rose water. Or do you want... What's my ice cube story? I'm glad you asked. Winter grape, of course. Okay. So you crack a couple of those. You hand him one.

And then you start throwing some corn, and you're like, hey, you see the Bucks last night? Yeah, you do your best sports. My Bucks got fucking invested. Luckily, I hope you wore your right, because sometimes you wear jeans and stuff, but I bet Craig's got his vuori kind of, they look like slacks. They're so comfy. But they're actually, it's crazy. They're cozy vibes. It's crazy. You can, like, work out of them. It's crazy. And then afterwards, go straight to drinks. Yeah. Straight from the office to cocktails. Here, fix your mic cable. I think I – or plug it back in a little bit. It had a little – You know what's crazy about these pants? Just like my Allbirds. I can wear them. I can cornhole with the boys and then go right to work. If I'm doing an indoor cornhole, then, yeah, I can go straight. I will say – Straight to work. If it's an outdoor cornhole, I have to pull up my Jason Mark and just give it a little scrubby. I got to clean up. I got to clean up the Allbirds. But I will say on Winterhouse, because of the chimp temperatures in Vermont, The cornhole is indoors. Okay. So the brewery that they frequent offers a cornhole facility because it's like an airplane hangar. It's huge out there. So what are we going to do tonight as we get filmed and make $17,000? They're not making very much money. They look like absolute shit. And one of them, Craig and his chick, have a mini fridge in their room, which makes me feel like they're really alcoholics. Yeah, what do we have in the cellar tonight, babe? Yeah, what else is going on? The only thing on my notes are when I was at the Celine party, I saw Beck drinking a liquid death. I was so fucked up, and I saw Beck coming down the staircase with a liquid death, and the only thing I knew instinctually, I didn't even think about it, I just pulled up my phone and write down Beck drinking a liquid death. That was the most depressing thing for me. That's probably all they had to offer. You don't think he brought his own or requested it, Liquid Death? No, no, no. He definitely got one at the bar. He's probably sober, though, I guess. No, he's not sober. I don't know. He seems like he would be, but also he's a Scientologist. It's so weird because you and I are huge fans of Sea Change. One of the most classic. The Beck album for what's probably been 20 years now, but it's like this breakup record, if you've never heard it. It's like this acoustic record of slow, sad breakup songs. It's an amazing album. It's really good.

and i hold him up on such a pedestal after hearing a lot of his music that i like and then you see him at like some chick's house party and at the celine thing and blah blah blah and i want him i just want to like make fun of him you know like he's an older successful amazing musician that i've looked up to and i i was i just want to fuck with them i was like oh becky should pick up there's a heady laid out some instruments there's a downstairs area where like the cool kids could jam just kind of express themselves This is a nightmare. They set up like a synth, like a Moog synth with all these knobs and shit. Did people play it? And then they set up like a, I think it was like a Les Paul with an amp, a couple of distortion pedals or whatever, and there was lines of people waiting to play it. So there's like a couple kids who are just like playing on the synth and being like, and everyone is standing around them and they're wearing their like outfits, like their costumes and shit. What a nightmare. And then a person will pick up the guitar and be like. and everyone's watching i met this uh this this dude some like model guy with long asian dude with long hair cool looking guitar bro whatever he picked up the guitar and played adele um beautifully like he did an amazing solo yeah like like slash playing adele you know and i was like bro that was a good job and then you know he'll hand the guitar off to the next person who's like you know like just blowing it that's but anyways all that is to say i'm talking to back because we were hanging out with gustav gustav was was shredding and shit and they're like oh this is you know have you met back this is back and i was like yeah what's up back i was like beck you got to pick up that guitar it's a chicks love it when you play music you get laid he's like hasn't worked for me yet damn beck's funny i fuck with that that's good even though beck is definitely lying about that oh beck is bro beck's I bet he's got, you got to hang his jersey in Los Feliz somewhere. No, hang his jersey on Raya because. Oh, he's a legendary. I don't know who, I don't know a chick who hasn't. It's cool. Cause he's got auntie face now. And he's still, he'd still be poking. He got auntie face. He, he do. He's rounded out. Like if you're sitting behind back at the Celine show and you see that hair, you're like, Oh damn, there go. What's her name? And he turns around and you're like,

That happened to me a few times where I was sitting behind people because there were so many indie rock revival-y people with feathered and teased hair like it was Molly Crew. And I'd be like, I'm 6'9", and I can't see over your fucking hair, your hair story. And it's just like some 48-year-old dude who's just like, eh, man. I'm so glad this party is over. Honestly, I'm so glad it's not only for real life, but also for IG. The one good part, I got to build with Mel Ottenberg. legend and i was it was so funny because afterward like my girlfriend is a stylist and she was there with like 10 of her stylist friends obviously and they're and i was talking to mel and then they're like um i'm sorry what you know like i'll be like they've been they've been a fan of mel they're like kids you know i thought you were straight and i was like oh yeah mel was just saying and they're like no no i can't do that you know he um It's interesting you bring him up because I was talking about him yesterday as well because he's in the new issue of Apartimento. Oh, yeah. And he's the legendary Jim Walrod, like, who passed away, did his apartment. And he's got this, like, bedroom that's, like, gray carpet, like, on the wall. Like, it's like a sex bedroom. And it's really something. It's really. I don't sleep here. I put in work here. I think he does all of the above. But it's a very impressive commitment to living. in a way that like i can't is there a drain on the floor there might be but it could be covered in the photos sure but i just find i find the whole apartment he's just such a interesting guy with like great taste but i think that like people that really commit to that like the commitment to living like that is always very impressive to me i agree 1000 and i admire it from afar because i'll never be there same same and i mean you'll never be there i really will never be there but when i was talking to him It was such a contrasting environment, talking to him versus talking to everyone else. You'll finish the show and talk to a couple dumbass young people, and this person's an actor and this person's a musician, and they're all just like, they just sound stupid. They don't really know how to conduct themselves in a social setting. They don't have elegance and all that stuff.

And you talk to Mel, and he's been doing this for years. He's been socializing at fashion shows. And the way that he speaks is just so, like, nobody does that anymore. He's an old broad, you know? He's an old broad, but I just love it so much because, you know, you'll talk to him, and he'll be really kind to you. He'll give you this eye contact, and he'll give you attention. He'll make you feel special. Adult shit. Adult shit that you rarely see, and it's just so charming and so amazing to see. It's because he knows you're excited to talk to me because I'm a legend and I'm going to deliver. I could either just be kind of a little cunt and just say I got to go or I could do that thing where for 30 seconds I do something that I don't want to do as a gift to you just because that's how I grew up and that's how I was raised. I'll lean into your ear and whisper you a little secret of like... Don't tell anyone, but this is what I really thought about this and this. And I would have changed this. And, like, he'll never say it. And no one will ever know. And he'll give you a little nugget of information. And, like, Mel told me a little thing. And you blink and he's, you know, being whisked off with Kim Gordon or something like that. So did you jerk or suck? What was the? We'll find out on the next episode of How Long Gone. Did he jerk? Did he suck? Did he jerk and suck? Oh, not the combo. But, yeah, this week we're going to be heading up to the frosty Pacific Northwest of Seattle. I think the tickets are pretty much gone. Yeah, there's a few tickets left. But I think there's still going to be a few. We'll see you on Thursday night, Seattle. We're going to a restaurant that is frequented by a friend of the show, Jeff Bezos, which we're very excited about. And I don't know, man. My friend Brendan that lives there who owns a cool wine store is going to be bringing you some gifts. Yeah, there's a few Seattle listeners who have sent me messages of just like Indica or Sativa. You want pre-roll? You want flour? Do you want coke? Do you want no? If you're listening to this from Sub Pop Records, let me know. I'd love to come by the warehouse, kind of grab some vinyl. Chris is a vinyl junkie. I'm a vinyl junkie. Well, they have a store at the airport, so you don't have to go to the warehouse. Honestly, the Sub Pop store at the airport is so fucking cool. It's so cool that they have a store at the airport.

Yeah, it's one of those things where I would argue that it's not cool, but also when you put yourself in the shoes of Sub Pop and you're like, hey, here's how much money we'll give you to have a store at the airport. It's funny. It's just funny and cool. I don't make money selling music. The fact that I can go buy some dumb... indie rock record at the airport and to be that synonymous with the city yeah it is for sure where millions of people i love seattle i can't wait to go i'm really excited seattle is where all the fun and funny people in san francisco they tipped the earth a little bit and they all went to seattle oh i didn't know that that's just my observation you know only because when we were in san francisco versus you know and then san francisco there's not a single person that uh has a sense of humor um so all those people left and they either went to Oakland and Berkeley or they went to Seattle I guess yeah they went to Portland at first and they were like no there's there's still needs a little work I got robbed again I mean and I got robbed in any city that has just that huge thing you know like San Francisco has the tech industry yeah Portland hat like Nike is so big in Portland yeah for sure that it puts a stain All over the city in terms of culture and brainwashing. It informs everything. You're right. And thank God that's what Amazon has done for Seattle. And if all these stadiums are being renamed by corporations, how long until Portland, Oregon has just changed to Nike, Oregon? That'd be so sick. Where are you guys going? Oh, we're doing a show in Sub Pop, Washington. It's going to be sick. We laugh now. We laugh. In our lifetime, Beaverton will become Nike Oregon. Yeah, they're definitely working on it. The Beavers are going to be pissed, but we'll work through it. We'll deal with beaver representation later. But you know that this is like when I was growing up, there'd be people in my high school, and if they had a long enough driveway, you get to name it as a street. Oh, shit. So if your driveway's like whatever, a mile long, you get to name it.

And they would, like, name it after the daughter. So, like, the daughter that I would be in high school with. It's like, oh, yeah, go to my house, take a ride on fucking Amy Street, you know, or Amy Court or whatever. Take a ride on Shailene. Exactly. Carter Court. Yeah, exactly. I'm on. Get down here, Carter. Belt. Coach. Yeah, so Seattle gone people, please come out. It'll be fun. Yeah, we can't wait. It's the final How Long Gone performance of the year before we announce some overseas business on the coming weeks. We did a photo shoot yesterday with a friend of the show, Jack Bull. And shout out to Jack and his partner for giving us some great teas. Yeah, I'm about to brew up, bro. Shout out to our flower head family. Yeah. Um, but yeah, anyway, how long gone? Um, we'll see you this week, obviously on the airwaves with more fantastic podcasts with legendary, hilarious, insightful guests, and also a live performance in beautiful Seattle, Madam Luz on December the 15th. Uh, yeah, get your tickets where you get tickets. And, um, and thank you to P and Davide for hosting us for their holiday party. Oh yeah. You know what? Before we go, I did have a run in at P and Davide's holiday party last night with them. one of my kind of competitors. Chris Pratt? No. Chris Pine? It was another Hollywood Chris. Okay. And I don't think it's fair to talk about it on this show. Why do you have beef with Chris Pine? Oh, I don't have beef with him. I'm going, as the person who's vying for the number one Hollywood Chris spot, any other Hollywood Chris, I have to step on to get to the top. Yeah. Unfortunately, this Hollywood Chris was wearing a great double-breasted blazer last night, which did make me feel inadequate. He's a sober king as well, right? He's a sober Chris. He was drinking a guia and soda tall boy. Oh, highball. He was mixing it up. It was plastic. Guia and soda, make it a double. Yeah, make it a double. Which then it appears that you're drinking kind of like the pink drink at Starbucks. Exactly. I did chop it up with him a bit, but I didn't want to kind of get into the...

competition portion of the discussion kept it chill for the holidays so i'll have to hopefully we're in the same room again soon thanks to p and david that that was a fucking party yeah it was a porchetta from evan func i saw bro i walked so david walked me in the back because i was like bro i can't wait in line for water he took me into the back of the kitchen to get the mountain valley from the glass bottle of course gave me a glass cup bro i thought i was gonna be like what's up funk man that motherfucker was in the zone i didn't want to be around him No, no, no. He was going Bourdain mode. I walked in the kitchen, and I put my hat on, and I immediately put it back on. Or took it off, put it right back on, turned around, and left. The energy was not giving. No, the fuck, man. But I want to say something, too, about that arugula salad. That arugula was wild as hell. It was wild. Literally and figuratively. I would have to cut a piece of arugula in half to eat them. That's the beauty of arugula. If you have a big one, use your hands. I should have. And just kind of shovel it in there. It didn't seem like that kind of an event, but I... Shout out to the homie Pedro. DJ Pedro was using his hands a little bit. Was he? He's from a different country. DJ Pedro is built different. Yes. In more ways than one. I like a little salad with a hand, everyone. I think it's... I mean, it seemed like a great delivery vehicle for that particular salad, but that... Adrian Ho's sister on Mind Your Manners would say otherwise. That fucking... Bro, that fucking focaccia, though, on God, there may be nothing better. It's fucked up, bro. It's so fucked up. People are like, you're eating bread. I'm like, bro, this is the bread. When in Roma. This is the bread. Yeah, when in Roma, exactly. Yeah, it was a good party, and you guys didn't even get too drunk. Thank God. I couldn't do another Herculean hand. Pia also looks great in a festive. She looks stunning in LPL. Pia was doing red, which I personally shy away from. And strapless. I can't do red and strapless. I've got to pick one. But her and Davide really looked like they were welcoming us in for some holiday cheer. And then shout out to Kenneth Beetz and Benny Blanco. Who else from the pod was there? Yeah, Kenneth Beetz, Blanco, Uncle Pauly's babysitter canceled. Oh, interesting. So he was unable to make it.

source that's al wilmot calling him out of course yeah who else i mean there's plenty of there's plenty of pod friends i'm sure yeah thank you to the guys holiday season is tough i gotta go to oberg's house tonight to watch the the finale of white lotus she'll be serving some kind of greek and mediterranean offerings you're okay so i've been tasked to bring the dill you're that much of a loser that you're going you're You're that old. I'm that much of a loser who's going to go to a house in Beverly Hills to watch a TV program? You get so mad about people talking about TV, but then you participate in this culture that you say you hate. Look, this is out of my wheelhouse to do a group TV watching. It's not something that I enjoy doing. Watching TV in groups, much like traveling in groups, weird. I went to the finale of Game of Thrones at Eric Warheim's house. They watched it inside of the pool, which was a cool vibe. He has a projector on a wall, and everyone was in the pool and watching it. I didn't watch it, but still, you can mingle, have some wood-fired pizza or whatever. I normally prefer to watch White Lotus on my couch, high as a motherfucker. Yeah. Maybe a nice glass of La Croix. Of course. And then I'm like, damn, what do you think is going to happen, bro? What do you think is going to happen? Well, I'm going to try to take the day off the internet tomorrow. I'll obviously fail, but have fun with your Mediterranean menu. I will be, hopefully... able to watch the newest episode of Southern Hospitality that did drop this week. This is a big TV episode. All right, guys. Thank you for listening. Later.