402. - Orville Peck

All right, this episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by Stateside with Kai and Carter, a new podcast from The Guardian. And they are using this podcast to slow down the news and wrestle with the questions that we all have about what's happening in the world. And they do it three times a week, Jason. Does that sound familiar to you? We don't really talk about, you know, a lot of international global news items and climates and cultures and sports and things like that. We do talk about fashion and wellness, but for everything else, Kai and Carter are a great place. All right, so who couldn't use more news? Listen wherever you get your podcasts. or watch on YouTube. I'm starting to get real sick and tired of you being in Atlanta, Georgia, Chris. What's going on over here? How's our construction? How's our remodel? We getting close? That makes two of us. Shout out to Linda, your mom, who's listening right now in one of her patented Linda Black Power Walks. Getting a chuckle out of that. Of course she doesn't want Chris to go away forever. Of course not. What's the saying? Girl, don't go away mad. Just go away. Something like that. Yeah, I think that could be it. I mean, basically, we're looking at a slight delay, but obviously with our packed How Long Gone Live schedule, the return to LA is imminent, and we will be staying in a hotel while the renovations are finished. We're just a few days behind, which is better than what most people told me, which was like, it's going to be three months late. It's going to cost an extra $100,000. But I'm not going to count those eggs. Well, you know, the smoke hasn't settled all the way yet, Chris. Don't count your drywall chickens before they've hatched. Well, I mean, I'll, of course, be throwing up a prayer to the big man upstairs. We want to go ahead and get Brother Black's home remodel all done so he can move in. We can't have him living in a hotel out of a suitcase. That's crazy. Even if it is a luxury suite.

With a spacious amount of square footage. 750 square feet at the beautiful Astro on Hollywood and Vine. It could be worse, but I think that the... Nothing junior about this suite. The packed schedule that awaits me for the next couple months is looming, and I would like to be in beautiful Los Angeles at the home base, but duty calls, Jason. This is what it's like to be a man on the go, a small business owner. Yeah, you know, I talk about sometimes, this is reminding me of something that I'll talk about, like, when we're on the airplane together, and you will buy the internet so you can text Twitter links to your friends, or do your special emails that are important, and I will choose to go airplane mode. So then once wheels finally touch down in Tampa, I hit the airplane mode off button, and it's like pulling that slot machine over in Vegas. Cha-ching, cha-ching. And I'm wondering that once you finally touch base back in L.A., is the grinder app going to kind of feel the same? Because you've been sort of wading your way through the same five bottoms in the little five points area. First of all, I would like to say. To borrow a pun from your construction team. I don't think there's any more holes to fill. No, I mean, I understand what you're saying. Luckily, I am in the gayest city in America, so that's actually not a problem. And you will catch me over in Midtown any night of the week over at Blake's. Shout out to Andrews. No, but I am – yes, I'm going to – Like, I'm going to get into a car crash going to Shintaro. I'm going to absolutely OD. I'm going to spend $1,000 at Erwan just to do it. There are going to be some things I need to do when I return to sophisticated society. But I have enjoyed this time, and I've been able to focus on the things that I enjoy, like I do everywhere. I prioritize my fitness, of course. I've sampled some new and fun local eateries. I've connected with friends new and old.

I've seen a lot of live music. So I'm not looking at this as an L. I'm looking at this as just another speed bump in the road of life. And that's the best I can do. You did a healthy pivot. And what, you're going to be back here in what, like a week, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just send me your flight number and stuff. I'll be there. Okay, cool. Thanks, dude. We're going to the Taschen Y's wedding before, which is going to be a runway. of sorts and i'm only obviously i'm living out of a remova i only have so much stuff so i am going to lose to jay gallagher who i'm sure be wearing some you know yama yoji yamamoto with like holes in it you know and and i i'm i'm feeling under underdressed but i think i'll have to just pull off my classic chris looks jake is sample size so it'll be a lot easier for him to do pulls for this whereas that's true you know even if you could get stuff sent over it probably wouldn't fit those big kind of brawny shoulders of yours. Am I wrong? I know, and the real, real, the shipping is obviously a little slow, so I wasn't able to kind of go through my Tom Ford-era Gucci stuff. But, you know, I mean, it's fine. It's not a big deal. No, I felt the same way. A friend of the show, Yoram, who got married, I guess, a week or two ago, he invited me to his wedding last minute, I'm assuming, so we could talk about it on this podcast, the only reason why we really get invited to anything nowadays. It's true. Still, I was sort of feeling the same dilemma where I was like, well, I'm going to be in Atlanta. Could this work? He was getting married in Louisville, Kentucky. That's not a very far flight over from ATL, right? No, Louisville's driving distance if it's Crazy Fest 1999. I don't know about today, but it was driving distance. Trunk full of public pub subs, and we'll get there. But I had the same dilemma. I knew that this wedding was going to be... Really, really, really, really be dressing like costume costumery. And I don't I just don't think the the Hanes beefy tea was going to cut it. So so I quickly took those ideas out of my head. So, I mean, this is going to be a similar level wedding in terms of like you got to really splash out with some like special, unique looks. Right.

Maybe we could see if Alec Monopoly could kind of touch that one of those Tom Brown skirts. Just make it, I don't know, make it you. Like, you're just a customer, but once again, Chris gets a custom from Alec Monopoly. That's true. I'm more of a Mr. Brainwash guy. You know that. What year is it? Yeah, so I'm preparing for that. Obviously, I'm going to ask my mom to iron all of my suiting, which is going to be a humbling experience. But, you know, this is 40, as they say. But I did want to – No, that is not 40. This is 40 is when your mommy stopped ironing your clothes, just to be clear. Oh, look. I get VIP treatment kind of wherever I go. Sometimes I pay for it. Sometimes I'm born with it. And that's just kind of how it is, man. Yeah. No, I mean, I appreciate. I think it's kind of hot. And I don't know. It has like a weird sexual energy to sort of have this like special little man kink that you guys have going on, you know, where. I am the Beyonce of the family, and I'm also the special little man, and there's no shame in that. No, no, no. You think the crusts are going to come off this PB&J themselves? I did want to say we finally completed the How Long Gone Booking Bermuda Triangle for How Long Gone Live, and I'm very proud of myself, so I'm patting myself on my back. You can't hear it. But I did want to make the final announcement, the final show. of the New York and L.A. tour, the final show of the Subway series at the beautiful Music Hall of Williamsburg. We will be joined by actress, model, writer. Friend of the show, Hari Neff. Barbie girl. Hari Neff will be joining us at Music Hall of Williamsburg. The week before, Alison Roman will be with us at Bowery Ballroom. If you're in L.A., we're going to have Joe Mandy with us at the Troubadour and then John Early with us at the Lodge Room. So get those tickets now. We're ordering merch. Shit is getting real over here. And I have multiple full-time jobs, so I'm feeling a little stressed. Yeah, of course the Troubadour show is sold out and the other ones are getting on their way.

We will be having an after party at the Lodge Room Show in Highland Park next door at Burger Lord. Like we said, get a cat sitter. Get your microdose mushrooms because you're going to do a lot of standing around in Highland Park. It's going to be fun. You're going to need to also find some fun, playful looks for that. If you don't have time to secure anything from Suit Supply, then luckily our merch table will be accepting credit cards. Not cash, of course. Oh, God, not suit supply. Okay, okay, okay. We do have a guest today as well, Jason. This is another friend of the show that hasn't been on yet just because we were able to build with him IRL before we invited him on the show. But Orville Peck, you guys know the South African singer, songwriter. mask wearer it looks like there's a low ticket warning because he has a rodeo of his own at the greek theater i saw that i hope we can go to that because i would love to see what a an orville peck rodeo consists of i'll tell you exactly what it will consist of chris okay okay because we've been to the greek theater for a country music concert before remember when we saw that's a good point there so this will be exactly like the casey musgraves concert except there will be no straight white usc students okay well that then i'm out no 19 year old chicas on their bachelorette vibes it's gonna be you know it's gonna be a lot of rough trade that where we were safe at the casey musgrave show i don't know if we would be as safe at the orville peck rodeo we were so safe at the casey musgrave show that i was kind of disappointed true like it was it was so it was it was literally like who are these weird old guys was the vibe at casey musgraves which is which is like i i don't mind feeling that in some instances but i felt like musgraves You know, I don't know. I just feel like... Yeah, because I guess if you're like a hot 21-year-old person who is cool and woke and young and you see us, well, I mean, it's lose-lose. It's like, you guys are here because you think she's hot? Ew. Or it's like, wait, you guys like this music? Ew. There's no win. There's no win.

Are you dropping your kids off and you didn't want to wait in the car? What's going on? It was not the best. I mean, she was great because she was still making good music. But anyway, let's give Orville a jingle, see what he's been up to, and see if we can get secure tickets to this rodeo at the Greek. Oh, this is huge for me personally. This episode of How I'm Gone is brought to you by TaskRabbit. Oh, baby, let me tell you something. This is not a joke. I use TaskRabbit a lot because I can't do anything. You need some art hung? TaskRabbit. You need a fucking something put together, a cabinet. Got to reach that cheese grater on the top shelf? TaskRabbit. Anything you need, TaskRabbit can take care of it for you. And, I mean, how it works, TaskRabbit connects you with skilled taskers in your area. They can help you move. They can assemble furniture. repairs, yard work, mounting, and more. You can search for a Tasker based on cost, skill set, availability, and past client reviews so you know exactly who's showing up and can have confidence that they know what they're doing because Taskers have assembled over 3.4 million pieces of furniture, completed 700,000 home repairs, handled 1.5 million moves, and the numbers are just going up, Jason. Yeah, throw a little money at the problem. It's not so expensive, and that job that you really don't want to do is something that another person out in the world, is very good at doing and would gladly do it in exchange for a little bit of money. So when life happens, your to-do list grows. Get ahead of it now and get $15 off your first task at TaskRabbit.com or grab the TaskRabbit app. using promo code howlong. Taskers book up faster, especially for same-day tasks. So book trusted home help today. That is $15 off your first task using promo code howlong with the TaskRabbit app or at TaskRabbit.com. This episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by Squarespace. Obviously, Jason, you and I spend a lot of time on the World Wide Web. So do our peers, our listeners, our friends, our colleagues. Obviously. Maybe even your parents if they're freaky. And if you're doing anything in the world, writing, taking pictures. I do topless boxing. You need a website. Exactly. A website that works, that does what it's supposed to do, that allows you to be creative but also business-minded.

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I'm not a boomer. I don't have an iPad. I agree. I have a laptop. It's an Air Mac or whatever. MacBook Air? Yeah. Is it steam-powered maybe? Exactly. It's like the Wild Wild West. No, no, no. I drive a really old car, and the funny thing is my boyfriend has a Tesla, and so we're always laughing because I get in his Tesla, and I'm like, I feel like I need like a PhD, you know, like the screen is so overwhelming to me because my car is like from the seventies. There's no air con or anything. So it's, you know, it's like, there's only two options. It's like drive or. park when i want to reverse yeah you have two buttons yeah forward or reverse that's it yeah even reverse is like you have to like push it in reverse you know like it's not even that that's only so is this are you are you driving a stick orville it's not stick okay i can't drive stick but but that does bum me out because you know someone said to me they were like knowing how to drive stick they were like if the apocalypse ever happens that's gonna be a crucial uh Like a crucial skill to have. Skill, yeah. And I don't have that skill. It's the difference between life or death. I think that's absolutely wrong. I think nowadays, you know, if the apocalypse comes and you can drive a stick, it's like a very cute little sort of added bonus. I don't really, you know, I don't think it's a life or death situation. I think you'll be fine. I disagree. I think it's... I think it's quite hot, to be honest. It is hot. Well, we're not debating the sexiness of driving a stick, Chris. Also, I believe I'm the only one in this chat right now who can drive a stick. Just for the record, we're talking about it being a life-saving thing. It'll get you some pussy, but it might not save your life. Wow. Can we save pussies anymore? I can. You're not allowed to, but I can, yeah. ridiculous but i think that's the best that's the best way to do it you know you have two cars in the household one is a vintage muscle car that smells like oil and one is like the newest car that just in case something goes wrong you'll always have a way to get to gelson's without without worry and i think that's a modern approach yeah well that's like the thing is i'm thinking about because the thing about my car is i love it to death obviously but

every time i leave my mechanic after fixing something ridiculous you know and there and he's like all right man like she's good to go and you know i i like i like turn the corner from my mechanic and it's like something new like breaks or whatever which is sort of like you know that that makes it not so cute but so i'm thinking of getting like a a modern car, but I feel like I need to get a Rivian or something, like an electric car. Also, everything in my moral compass aligns with not having a car that's destroying the universe. That must be nice to have a moral compass. Yeah, listen. I feel like I need to... kind of balance out the fact that i have this like old ass car that's like the reason for global warming essentially and then like i need to like balance that out with like uh an electric car no that's a good that's a good idea i mean i repent it's like the yin and the yang actually i was i i've been down south at my parents house in atlanta for a while and i went orville mode and had a ram 1500 truck and i have to say it you know I don't know if the Rivian would feel quite the same. Listen, I'm going to tell you when I start my car, you know, it's like backfiring and there's an insane smell of like gas. It's gurgling. Oh, it's like it's fighting you. I was kind of parked in a parking lot once. I turned my car on and I was trying to sort out on my phone the kind of where I was going, like the GPS or whatever. So it was taking me a minute. this man like walked over and knocked on my window. And I was like, I rolled my window down and I said, yes. And he went, sorry. Um, I'm, I'm actually just sitting over here in the restaurant with my children and the smoke, the smoke from your car is choking my child. Could you turn your car off or leave?

Were you mortified or were you like, hell yeah, brother, welcome to America, bitch? Right. I like, I like pulled out, you know, like, no, I was sort of mortified. I'm easily kind of mortified though. I'm already, I'm always like, I'm, I'm kind of always apologizing for myself anyway. So I, I like, I like peeled out immediately, but it was crazy. I mean, people are, you know, like, like strangers are coming up and telling me to stop. Yeah, that's different. I've never heard of a story like that, but nothing. Nothing is more L.A. than that, especially with all this outdoor dining. That's the real problem. Right. We'll move past the car talk just because I know that some of our listeners might not be completely into it. But last question, what kind of car is it? Because I'm curious to know. It's a 73 Chevelle Malibu. Ooh, I love an old Malibu. I used to love a 65 Malibu. No, it's quite beautiful. traffic light multiple times. It's very funny. What about for the car, though? I was literally thinking the same thing. I'm like, for what exactly were you offered cash? You teed me up right there, like Tiger Woods. We can start talking about Bodhi now. Bodhi clown costume for Halloween. What color did you get, Orville? What's the question? What color Bodhi clown costume do you have your eye on for this Halloween season? Bodhi? What is that? Bodhi. It's a clothing company. You know Bodhi. Oh, Bodhi. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, no. I do know Bodhi. I do know Bodhi. I do know Bodhi. But only recently do I know Bodhi. My friend had her wedding at my house recently, which is a whole other story. Let's get into it. I'll add that to my notes. Carry on, carry on. But someone was there wearing a beautiful shirt. suit. And it was like, I said, where'd you get that suit? And they said, it's Bodhi. I said, what's that? So I do only recently actually know about Bodhi. But what was the question? Is that vintage Bodhi? No, basically, they're always trending in the fashion world for creating weird, funky, interesting shit. But this Halloween season, they made Halloween masks and Halloween costumes that were

They're sort of like John Wayne Gacy clown costumes a little bit. You know when you see photos of Halloween from like the Depression or like the 1800s where people are wearing just like frightening. Yeah, it's kind of like a cultist weird. Yeah, so they kind of went with that angle, which seems very spooky and frightening. But, you know, are you sort of like a traditional Halloween dresser where you're like monsters and ghosts and ghouls? are you getting a little more splashy with it? I mean... Or do you just not dress up? Because Chris is anti-costume. I hate Halloween. He doesn't believe a man should wear a costume. No, don't do that. Don't do that. Not to Orville. I mean more during Halloween. I think it's a time for children. And I think the adults have co-opted that as another reason to drink and use drugs. And I don't think that's necessary. But also Halloween, I feel like Halloween's become like... a month long event now okay also I will I'm gonna preface I'm gonna I'm gonna tell you one thing I love Halloween it might be my favorite of the It comes as no surprise to our listeners, I'm sure. Yeah, you know, maybe besides, because I'm like, you know when people are like, what are you doing for Labor Day? I'm like, well, when is Labor Day? I don't know when Labor Day is or whatever the fuck. Labor who? For me, my favorite holiday is Indigenous People's Day, actually, so it's a little different than yours. Well, that was just yesterday, and it was a very important holiday. We celebrated. We celebrated. I call it Columbus Day in my household. We don't know her, Chris. No, but I love Halloween, but I will preface this entire conversation by saying the thing about Halloween that's sort of been, I guess, not ruined, but like a little bit tainted for me is like, yes, I'm like a classic. When I think of Halloween, if I was going to dress up these days, I would think like a ghost that's like a sheet with two eyes cut out kind of vibe.

You know what I mean? Classic. Classic. Like the ghost, the witch. Meatball down the middle. Dracula, whatever, you know? Also, I haven't really had the chance to dress up for Halloween in anything for the past, like, you know, three or four years because I'm always playing a show and I feel like I dress up every day anyway. But, you know, last year, actually, actually last year I did dress up. We played at Madison Square Garden last year for Halloween with Harry Styles. flex we did two nights and the first night we did kind of just like spooky western yeah and the second night i did like a christian cowan designer take on um the lone ranger which was very fun actually oh that's so i did dress up last year so you dressed up but you kept it in your wheelhouse though well and then the year before that it was covid but i did dress up for like a instagram photo and it was um it was the it was the it was the like bounty hunter from spongebob Do you know what I'm talking about? Wow. Wow. Okay. So you went, oh, that's deep. She has range. Well, I try to keep it within my wheelhouse, you know, like it has to work with, you know, my mask and stuff. It either has to be cowboy or SpongeBob related. That's sort of my two, you know. Right. I draw a wide circle. No, but I love Halloween, but I will say the one crazy thing about Halloween for me, and it's like bittersweet because it's, of course, like super flattering. amazing and lovely and I see where this is going all of that but like my as soon as October starts my social media becomes inundated with people dressing up as me which is like like I said I'm not the pain that you must be going through incredible I cannot imagine listen it's the struggle but no it's pray for Orville when I tell you that it's like when I tell you that it's like I start missing like important sort of interactions or things because on October 31st, go look at my tag photos. Just do me a favor. Look at my tag photos on like Instagram and just see, it's like, it'll be like 500 photos of everyone tagging me dressed as me, which I love, but it's, it's pretty. Yeah. It sucks. Yeah. It's Halloween is like, I always joke with like my drag queen friends, like Halloween, when you're a certain type of performer, it just starts to become like work. You know what I mean? It's like,

It doesn't feel like a fun holiday. It feels like I'm either playing a show, you know. I mean, I guess it's better than, like, you know, digging ditches. Yeah, you're happy to have the gig. You're happy to have the phone ringing and the emails coming in. It's kind of like Chris's dad is an accountant, and, like, he loves tax season because it's paying money for him, but it's also like, fuck, it's tax season, you know? Like, Halloween is your tax season as somebody who wears a costume year-round. Yeah. But also, wow, tax season, yeah. My sister-in-law's uncle, what does that make him? I don't know. He wanted to be a garbage man because he thought they only worked one day a week. You know what I mean? Sounds like a Rodney Dangerfield joke. That's good. No, that's really good. That's great, right? And so I'm wondering, maybe people wanted to be an accountant because they thought... They only work during tax season. Right, like how teachers get the summer off or whatever, like that type of thing. Well, teachers nowadays have to work like five other jobs because we don't pay teachers anything, which is really strange. No, but yeah, accountants, okay. Yeah, he works year-round. He works year-round, but I will say there's busy seasons. But I like the idea of the trash man working one day a week. I think that's kind of some third eye open shit. I mean, the job sounds terrible. Smells like shit, garbage everywhere. But, I mean, I get six days off. I think it's kind of worth it. Yeah. All you have to do is work at 7.20 a.m. every Thursday if you're coming by my house. Now, do you take your trash out or does the gardener do it? Because I just recently realized we finally got a gardener. And then I was like going to take the trash out and the cans weren't in their location behind the house. I was like, what the fuck? I'm like, damn, the gardener took the, that's some, that's worth every penny. I had no idea that was part of his service when he cleaned up the yard. Interesting. Yeah, no, I take my, I take my own trash out. Actually, I, I love cleaning and like my, my home, my home people joke, my house is like a museum, you know, like it's,

It's spotless. I love order, tidiness, and cleaning. Wow. Now, are you down to put on the rubber gloves and get in that tub with some soft scrub? Do we ever call in the pros for anything? Or you're doing it all? No, I'm doing it all. I don't even wear gloves. I go raw in there. When your house, I mean, I hope you get tested, but when your house is already clean, you never really have to get that dirty. You're only just doing maintenance. You never really need to do a deep clean, right? Yeah, of course. Well, actually, but I think I might be kind of OCD a little bit. No, you don't say. That's crazy, bro. Orville, this is a breakthrough. I'm very proud of you. I like I have, you know, like, for instance, in my living room, I have a bookshelf or whatever of things. And but they're very specifically sort of, you know, chosen and placed. It's not it's not just, you know. sporadic with some, some Adderall like precision where these, where these totems are placed on your shelf. And I'll be like on a, I'll be like on a work call and, or whatever. And I'm, I'll, I'll, at the corner of my eye, I'll look at the one item on the bookshelf from across the room and I'll walk over and like adjust it, you know, like two millimeters and then, and then walk back to where I was and then look at it and go back and like, kind of think, Oh no, no, that was too much. And then like adjust it like back one. Like, I've got, I've got problems, but I do like, um, I do like, I, yeah, I like, uh, my house is very, it's beautiful. You should come over. It's, uh, come, come. And if you need your house cleaned, I can come over as well. You have some downtime. Well, I, well, how do you then, you know, hearing about your, uh, tendencies, let's call them. How, how are you able to now when you're on the bus with all these scrubs that you pay to play instruments?

They might not be picking up their pizza boxes out. Are you kind of riding them? I mean, this is a genuine issue on tour. We just woke the bear. No, because I'm in the back room, so my room is always spotless. I make my bed every day on tour. That's nice. It's immaculate. And then I complain a lot about the shared space because, you know, My band members who I love, they'll come onto the bus and I'll wake up. I'm also the first one to wake up. I'm up at 6 a.m. every day, basically. And I'll walk out into the main room and it's someone's shoes. You know what drives me fucking crazy? A water bottle. A water bottle. Unnamed water bottle that has two sips out of it. Okay, because you're like, look, guys, this is coming out of my pocket. like we gotta i mean to be honest i'm not even thinking monetarily i probably should i'm not even that's not even what bothers me i'm just like drink it or don't drink it or or throw it out or what like how don't open also i have a problem with like a tiny water bottle anyway because i'm like i just think it's like a crazy waste of plastic but like Open a tiny water bottle, take one sip, and then leave it there for, like, a week. Just no one's touching it. I just want to – it drives me crazy. One week? No, I – That drives me crazy as well. I mean, that drives me crazy. Now, but, I mean, there's a lot of stuff going on on the bus, you know what I mean? So I feel like it's a delicate dance, you know, kind of living with that many people. Yes. And we can't really have you, you know, upset or anxious or having a little – cleanliness meltdown when the goal of this is to put on a great show, right? So are you meditating transcendentally? What are you doing to kind of get that water bottle out of your head when you're on stage? I mean, maybe this is like, yeah, for other people, I get it. It's like, you know, we've all known each other long enough that like, that's not flying. I mean, my tour manager, I've known for like 15 years since I was a teenager before either of us.

did this job you know it's like everyone on my tour bus is kind of like family so no i pitch a fit all the time no i let him know i'm very clear oh yeah i'm not coming in with like a professional courteous attitude i'm like sitting everyone down being like if i see one more fucking water bottle with a sip out of it i'm gonna you're all fired and i'm gonna like this is bullshit yeah like you know but i mean i'm sure they also have issues with things i do i'm sure we're just like a funny We're like a funny... You guys are random as hell. Yeah, it's like a funny sitcom family or something. Yeah, can't live with them, can't tour with them, can't tour without them. Well, speaking of your OCD cleaning habits, I would like to know sort of the timeline of events when you decided to host a wedding at your house. Okay, so... Should I put on a pot of coffee, sweetheart? A friend of mine, who I love very dearly, who is an actress. She got married recently, but, you know, she sent an invite out for her wedding. Or she kind of said, like, I'm getting married. I'm like, amazing. And then, you know, sort of like a week before her wedding, we were kind of chatting and I was sort of like, what's going on with your wedding? So we're a week out. Do we have a venue picked? What's the tea? Well, that's the thing. I'm kind of like, where is it? Or I think she kind of just hit me up about it or whatever. So what did Nicole Kidman say? Imagine. No, no. So then it's like in that conversation, basically what we realized is there wasn't a venue. And I was like, well, you know, I've got a I love you to death and I have a. a house that is very um it's a it's a prime event space yes it lends itself to like a function right you were about to father of the bride this bitch is what it sounds like well listen to this so like i'm like also now you guys know i'm like an a-type ocd crazy person with like you know organization and whatever she's like we're gonna have the wedding at your house it's you know it's like kind of this amazing serendipitous beautiful thing

truly because also i there's nothing i love more not to get to like but there's nothing i love more than like inviting any sort of like love into my house you know just you love love i love love i mean it's like there's worse things to happen at your house right absolutely but it was really funny because i was like dogs i was prepared and down and all this stuff but then like the day of you know the day of the wedding at like 9 a.m like the florist shows up and then it's like the you know the catering or whatever and i slowly started to realize i was like because everyone's asking me like where do i put this and i was like oh i'm they're like they're like can you can you point us in the direction of the wedding planner and i'm starting to realize i'm like oh that's me like i'm the wedding planner which actually to be quite frank I think maybe I found my passion. Dream job. Yeah, like Orville's event planning. Because honestly, not only did I kill it, but I kind of loved it. I was running around. I mean, it was great. Literally, yeah. It was perfect. So I think I'm going to quit music. And I'm going to go the way of... There's only three careers you can do as an aging gay man. It's like you can become a realtor. You can become a realtor, you can become a massage therapist, or you can be some sort of event planner, and I think I'm going to be an event planner. That's actually a very good breakdown. I've encountered all three of those archetypes. There's only two things you can do as an aging, subversive straight man, which is become a barber or take up Brazilian... Okay, now don't come for the sober community. If you become sober, then it's jujitsu. And if you still sort of have your little opioid addiction going on, then we're going to barber and tattoo as well. And let's not forget podcasts. That's the final frontier. If that doesn't work out, there's always DJing. No, no, no one's a DJ anymore. How dare you?

What I need to I need to ask, though, how many people attended this soiree? Good question. OK, so it was I was told it would be 60, which I was so down for the final. The final count, I believe, was somewhere in like the 150 region. Whoa, whoa, we doubled. So we tripled the fucking head count. So you're like, yeah, but it was amazing. The head count that you said when you were lying to me, love that head count. When I discovered that you were lying about that, loved it less. No, I loved it even more. I mean, honestly, it was one of my favorite memories. And also it was just so kind of, it was so kind of like chaotic the way it came about that it was sort of like, perfect in its own way you know it had to happen this way for you to did you feel your your body sort of release the tension that it was holding up when you suddenly were in a situation that was out of your control and you just had to you know let it let it happen uh i didn't think of it in that way at all but that sounds right yeah okay i don't know you know when it's like i'm the kind of person where like you know it's if it's my birthday and i I'm not someone who's trying to be like, it's my birthday or whatever. But, you know, I've had birthday parties, obviously. I've had hundreds of people over to celebrate me, but I don't care. No, but I'm not really that person. I'm not like, you know, like five days of me. I'm kind of like, let's go to a bar or whatever and everyone come. But even in that scenario, I'm like running around making sure that everyone else is comfortable. enjoying themselves and then i i often find myself like stepping back and realizing like am i enjoying myself like do i want to be here but you know like but maybe that's still part of my kind of um you know ocd kind of the rest is still unwritten i mean the rest is still unwritten Is that the tag for this podcast? We got a clean take on that one. Thank you for that. Yeah, that unwritten. That's royalty free, just FYI. I'm glad that you've uncovered your inner hostess, and I think that this wedding... Now, the final question on that, did you get twisted, or did you teetotal for the evening to make sure none of your baccarat got cracked? Of course I got twisted. I mean, that's the thing.

function really well under stress okay i you know like i that's my highest function is like under pressure but no i was you know they set up a bar obviously at the thing and i i mean i was when the when the guests started pouring in and i was like it was sort of dawning on me like what was happening at my house i i got a drink from the bar and i sat hiding in my bedroom for like 20 minutes like sort of shutting down and then i I kind of was like, okay, Orville, we got this. I did a pep talk in the mirror, and then I went out, and I was passing out hors d'oeuvres and whatever. They really put you to work. You're a good friend, Orville, I will say. That's very sweet of you. No way in fucking hell I would do any of that stuff. I don't like having four people at my house. I'm like, ugh. No way. Not even a chance. I'm a big... I like to host as long as I'm the star, and I don't have to do any cleaning up. That's kind of where I'm at. So, you know, that doesn't sound like this was that situation. So I would have kindly bowed. Oh, I loved it. It was so good. How long are you home? Are you settling in or are you hitting the road? Yeah. Oh, my God. I'm actually home for the first time basically since January for more than, you know, three weeks or whatever. I'm really excited about it. I have a couple one-off. festivals that I'm playing. I'm going to play in Monterey this weekend. And then I, I'm going to play Willie Nelson's ranch for Halloween. Wow. And then my final show of the year is my, my rodeo show here in LA. I'm doing the Greek theater for a second. What's up with this rodeo? I mean, it's, it's like, it's, you know, it's a, it's my show, but it's, we have extra special guests involved and there's a bit more production and it's usually at sort of an iconic venue. It's kind of like one big sort of like mini Orville fest. Okay. Well, I do every year. So it's an experience. It's, it's pec con. Yeah. Yeah. If you're, if you're looking for any, if you're looking for any podcasters, you know, let us know. Cause we, that's kind of an element now that a lot of live performers are bringing out. It's something maybe, I don't know if you've thought about that yourself, but no, I haven't thought about it, but I'll think about it. No, that sounds great. You should come. Are you, but you're like live.

Yeah, we'll live. We'll come out. We'll do a quick 30 kind of before you get the energy up. Yeah, we can open it up for you. Do you guys ever say friend of the pod? No, we say friend of the show usually. Friend of the show. Same difference, though. But is that just to be contrarian? Yeah, exactly. They zig, we zag. They're different. They are different. I don't know why we do that, actually. That's just my natural compulsion. Yeah, I think Friend of the Show is very 1.0. I mean, 2.0, whereas Friend of the Pod is sort of... You know, the early days of saying that phrase, and I think other podcasts have co-opted that. Isn't it kind of cute to be 1.0 sometimes? It is. Yeah. With a wink, you know what I mean? Like, I kind of love, like, I'm a weird person, obviously. Yeah, we know, we know. Yeah, right. And like, you know, I'm actually, I think, potentially weirder than anyone could have ever imagined. In my mind, I mean. Do we need to alert the police, Orville? Not quite there yet. Well, maybe. I feel like maybe the Roger Rabbit toontown police. I could go be in a cartoon jail. But my point being is that I kind of revel in doing things that are sort of pedestrian or basic in a way because I think it's kind of... Fun? Of course. It's called Normal Kink. Oh, is that what it is? There's a whole Dirty Rock episode about it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, yeah. I've got a normal kink. We also have a little bit of a normal kink because we're kind of like suburban girls living in the big city, so we find some great comfort in going to a cheesecake factory at the mall. This is what I'm saying. I like going to Home Depot to buy some tape, you know? Shit like that. This is exactly what I'm saying. I find it so comforting. to, you know, go to Ikea and like not really shop for anything, but just like to be, to be there, you know, go to Ikea and make fun of the losers. I'm with you, bro. No, but not even like to kind of like sit and like, you know, hold up like a screwdriver set and just like stare at it and think like, man, do I have a screwdriver? Do I need this? And then, you know, and then I put it back down and I'm like, well, yeah, I've got one. No, I know that we, we, we do the same thing. It's, um,

I think it's fun and healthy and cool. And I guess, does that mean that you also grew up a little less big city-ish? A little more suburban? Well, I grew up in Johannesburg, South Africa, which is a very big city. But I don't know where the kink comes from. Maybe because I just... I don't know, but it does feel comforting. Yeah, I think it's less of, like, the size of the city and more just, like, how metropolitan it is versus how, like, suburban or just regular it is, you know? Oh, listen, I fucking love to just go to a Target and walk around. Same. It feels good. Yeah, it just feels good. It's like a drug. Literally, I mean, it just feels good. That's big touring energy, though, because a target when you're in the middle of America is an oasis, you know, air conditioning. 100%. Dasani, all kinds of clothes. You know, you can get whatever you need. I need socks. Yeah, you can get anything you need there. You know, we put socks on our green room rider. When I used to play in punk bands, someone told me that. They were like, put socks on your rider, and I still do it to this day. And honestly, It's like the nicest thing to show up at the venue, and there's like six pairs of just whatever Nike socks or whatever. But it's such a nice thing. You're like, wow, it feels like Christmas every day. We're not quite. Unfortunately, we put stuff on our rider, and they don't get it for us because they're just like you guys aren't really important enough. Right. So Jason's lucky if he gets it. Which is normal for a rider. You always ask a little more than you expect to get. Well, you know what's funny about riders is like I have an obsession with Pop-Tarts. which is kind of like a funny what's your flavor blueberry blueberry or strawberry i don't fuck with anything okay frosted though of course or unfrosted frosted what are you crazy hey look i don't know bro i'm not i'm not that i'm not i'm not mental dude so this so this is known this is not a known thing like i mean literally pop pop tarts they reached out and sent me you know i've got like thousands of boxes of pop tarts luckily they never go bad right i mean

They wrote a whole poem. It's like, you know, Pop-Tarts love me, and I love that. It's great. So there's Pop-Tarts on my writer, right? Sometimes I'll show up to a venue, and I don't know if they are doing this because they think it's what I want, or I don't know if they're doing it as a point of contention for, like, who they want to come off as, but sometimes we'll show up, and it's like the Whole Foods. multi-grain Pop-Tart. It's not a Pop-Tart. It's like whatever it is. What a trigger. It's a 365 breakfast snack. Get this fucking bullshit out of here. I'm going to tell you there's nothing that sends me off harder where I'm like, get this out of here. I want a fucking white trash Pop-Tart. A Pop-Tart, like Pop-Tart, the brand. Okay, so you see the Nature's Harvest Pop-Tart and you instantly turn into Morrissey backstage. Yeah, like I start flipping tables, you know, firing people. I want it gone. I don't think that's actually, that's not that crazy. I mean, it's not the same thing. Like, it's like if you ask for a Coca-Cola and somebody gives you a 365. cola it's not the same it's just not it's two different products this is what i'm saying the thing the thing that annoys me mostly it's not that i'm not getting my way or whatever it's not that i'm like a diva the thing that annoys me is i'm like you thought you like did that you thought you've got me something yeah like It's like, I want the Coca-Cola. I don't want the trash version. I don't want you to make me feel better. I want to feel like shit. You don't get it. Is it homophobia? I'm like, is it because I'm gay? Like, you think I want... It's homophobia, right? Yes. Yeah, that feels like a big part of it. Yeah, they walk in, they're like, this guy wants Pop-Tarts and socks. What kind of pervert is this? Yeah, they know you're a freak. I don't know what he's going to do with him. They assume you're gay. They have to assume you're gay. So, Orville... Going back to sort of your OCD tendencies and then throwing a little Pop-Tart juice on this fire, I'd like to know what your Pop-Tart eating ritual is. I feel like you might be very specific with your toast times and maybe you eat around the corner in some type of fashion.

When I eat a Kit Kat bar, I'll eat all the chocolate and then I hit the wafer next. Nasty. You know, something like that. There's no toasting, first of all. Wow, that's interesting. You are a pervert. No one's toasting a Pop-Tart. Come on. Civilized folks are. I would like a little, you know, put a little butter on it after you toast it? That's crazy, man. Butter? No! I'm just kidding, I'm just kidding. I'm kidding, I'm kidding. Well, I mean, I'll sous vide it, and then I hit it with a little creme fraiche at the end if I have it around. I mean, obviously, when we're on tour, we don't have all that. Yeah, like, you know, I take a pinch of, like, you know, fair trade sumac, and, like, no, it's just raw. Fair trade sumac? There's no shush. Raw, raw dog. So you grab and go. type of thing you don't like set a plate out with your fine silverware and you eat it in some weird freaky way or anything you just eat it no no no you're a second grader on the bus you're a second grader on the bus diving in yeah i'm a i am a simple man like truly you know like i'm very no frills like no no it's always just very doesn't take much to pop this tart is what you're saying yeah like i'm so satisfied eating like cold food from the fridge do you know i'm saying You'd probably like it. I love an easygoing guy because I feel like all the men in my life are divas. I mean, I'm sure people who know me would probably say I have quirky sort of... You have diva-like tendencies? Specifics. Yeah, but I mean, to be quite frank, actually, at least in the industry, people know quite often that I'm very easygoing. I think I'm an easygoing person. Yeah, that's a good quality to have. I'm quite self-sufficient. I don't like relying on other people for things. I like to just do things myself. I actually enjoy getting things done. It's my greatest fulfillment in life. This is because of your punk background. Well, this is the thing. Because there was a time where you didn't have a choice and you learned to do it all and you were successful at it. And now that somebody would do it for you, it's just like, I got it. I know how to do it. It's easier if I do it. I was just joking about this last night. It's like someone was talking to me about tour and their musician who has, they kind of only grew up.

ever being on a tour bus right yeah and they were sort of like oh yeah tour like oh the bus am i right and i was like dude the bus might as well be the four seasons as far as i'm concerned like i fucking love the bus like i want to live on i never want to leave the bus like i love it it's like i've been touring since i was 17 i used to tour in a minivan with my drums on my lap for like 13 hour drives you know what i mean like like the bus is essentially like it's like nirvana like i mean it's like heaven like i can't like you made it yeah of course i love the bus dude i feel like i'm literally i i mean it's like the biggest thrill of my life still because i'm trying to figure out how to kind of Get this podcast going so I can kind of PJ in and out. So I sleep in my own bed every night. And that's not. Oh, yeah. Yeah. It's not working out just yet. But we're still kind of. Yeah. We're in the early stages. You want to do the Reba where you like. Yeah. Reba. Fly back to your hometown like every night. Yeah. Exactly. The Reba. That's it. That's what we're rebranding that as. It's the Reba. The Reba. No. Yeah. Don't pull the Reba. Seinfeld does it. Corn dog on the PJ. That's like the dream. Corn dog on the PJ. Well, I wanted to go back to the. to the rodeo show because it was something we were talking on the last episode about I went to the Rosalia concert and we were talking about how so much of shows nowadays sure it's about the music that the people love who are buying tickets but it is also sort of like an experience where the fandom gets to show off their clothing and their fashion And I feel like the rodeo has a similar vibe where people are buying tickets because they like your music and they want to see your show. But it's also sort of like their Met Gala for these specific types of people. Yeah, 100%. I mean, listen, all my shows are sort of – the rodeo last year was at Red Rocks, which was amazing. Yeah, it was incredible. But, like, yeah, people fly in from, like, all over the world for it. I mean, it was – the rodeo is definitely special. And, yeah, people dress up.

Honestly, I always try to think of shows. I come from a big performer background, obviously, and I like theatricality in music. I kind of hate this idea that you have to be sort of, I don't know, boring to be sincere. I find a lot of artists these days just genuinely pretty boring. I find it sort of no effort and no pizzazz to any of it, which... is, like, I feel like the biggest crime. Like, I would rather something is totally off-key, bad taste, whatever. I would prefer that than something that's just, like, boring, essentially, right? If you're a showman, let's put on a show, for God's sakes. Yeah, I mean, like, but I think the weird thing is I think people have sort of attributed sincerity with that in a weird way, where I think sometimes people who think that what I do is insincere because there's a... you know an element of like performance to it but it's it's like well why do those things have to be mutually exclusive you know like i actually think and like someone like david bowie to me it's like that's the perfect example of someone who was so theatrical and so performative but also incredibly sincere and iconic and everything you did right and like bowie and queen like name name two people who shred more than bowie and queen you know yeah and they were theatrical as a motherfucker i like the intersection of that you know like sincerity and performance i mean listen also there's an innate theatricality to what i do because i you know i wear a mask and whatever it's like so i think people coming into the show it already feels like the atmosphere is outfits on and, you know, there's a kind of magic in the air to begin with. I hope we're going to be more accepted. Yeah. Last time we went to the Greek was for Casey Musgraves and the people around us were, um, I would say less than accepting of our attendance, um, because of our age.

uh and maybe our uh sexuality and i was i was feeling i was feeling ostracized i know it must be really hard to be cis straight men in this economy it's honestly i don't want to i don't really want to thank you for saying yeah finally someone said it right thank you voice to the voiceless yeah pita style guys i promise that you'll feel way more accepted than myself are you guys coming to the rodeo yeah we'll come to the rodeo what day is it i don't see why not did you find tickets It's sold out. I think maybe you can check StubHub. I like that we're still plugging the show. I know someone. We can sort you out. Orville, we're going to trade because we have shows in LA the 19th and 20th. If you would like to join us at the Troubadour or at the Lodge Room, you just let us know. I love the Troubadour. The Troubadour was where I did my first ever rodeo. We did two nights in the Troubadour like three years ago. Well, maybe you can come out and you can do Brooks and Dunn, How Long Gone, acoustic set. Well, what is your show? What do you mean? Like you do the podcast live. Yeah, that's it. Yeah, we do the show, Jason and I chat, and then we bring out a guest. And at the Troubadour, it's our friend Joe Mandy, who's a pretty popular comedian and writer. And then we do the Lodge Room the next day with John Early as well. Cool, I'll come, yeah. Yeah, we need you in the house. Yeah, we are looking for someone. one to cover our theme song. Since you have all this downtime, it is a country song. It's a Brooks and Dunn song. Something for you to explore. Also, Orville, we are looking for a merch person. If that's something that you're interested in, just let me know. Let me know if you need me to clean up the venue after. I love to clean. Bring your toothbrush and we'll hit the inside of that toilet bowl. Alright, sweetheart? Listen, I'm not on tour. I need things to do. Put me to work. I was going to ask, do you find it a little bit? Is there a shock to the system? Are you having to find things to do because your life isn't scheduled out on an hourly basis? You don't have your North Star. Yeah, 100%. I'm losing my mind. I went to Italy for a month after I finished touring.

Which was lovely, on vacation. Oh yeah, I think we were around there, in Sicily around the same time, like end of August. It's the first vacation I've taken in like 10 years or something. It was really lovely. I've had nothing to do and time off just like at my house. Yeah, I've been completely losing my mind. Let me be clear, I'm losing my mind. This is hell. No, it's it's insane. And I mean, I genuinely had to make a plan with, you know, my therapist where he was like, OK, on Sundays, you need to go open your G Cal, you know, my calendar, which is like what I because someone sorts that out when I'm on tour and I have like tons of things on it or whatever. And he's like, you need to like put in your calendar like. uh go to the gym like go for like go for a walk like i have to literally schedule my calendar and you're like you're fired i mean it's it's insane yeah i have no purpose i mean but it's it's really bizarre yeah your boyfriend's listening to this right now like oh well great no purpose okay No reason to live. So what did you mean exactly when you said no purpose? I want some clarity around that. Guys, my boyfriend's not listening to this. He's got his job. Don't flatter yourself. You don't know that. He's got more important things to do. He does know that, and I appreciate that. That's the only response I would expect. We've met him when we met you for the first time, and just judging by looks, he looks like a listener of this podcast more than you do. That's true. That's true. So you're saying he looks like a toxic straight man. You're like, that's hot. Yeah, kind of, yeah. We satisfy the toxic straight man kink that a lot of people aren't afraid. They're afraid to ask the universe for, you know what I mean? There's a lot of people before they come out, they're just a toxic straight man, you know, and that's the reality. That's something we need to think about. I mean, I don't even, what is your guys, like, what is your listenership? It must be varied, right? So it's about, it's around like 65, 35 male to female, 1% non-binary. Okay.

Biggest age range, probably like mid-20s or so. Oh, nice. And then like 35 to 40, and then the younger kids, and then the older people. Geriatric millennials. Geriatric millennials. You know, those are the people that are buying the Rivians though. You know what I mean? Like me. I mean, I'm a geriatric millennial, I think. Yeah, we are too. I mean, technically we are too. I identify as, uh, my pronouns are Gen X, but a lot of people don't really like to recognize those. Um, so I'm kind of forced to be a Gen X millennial rising. But I feel like what is, but Gen X is like, isn't Gen X kind of like born in this? late 70s kind of yeah people that were born in the 70s yeah yeah but i mean i'm born i'm born in 82 so the cutoff i'm like a few years off but chris chris identifies so much with the 90s culture and music and art and everything like that so he sort of is cosplaying as a gen x or even though he's so young he's way too young to be that i know i look really young uh some people can't even believe it but you know this is my cross to bear he's hairless yeah yeah that's beautiful I guess one thing you could be doing, when I was in Notto in Sicily, I ate that almond granita from Cafe Sicilia every day. Wow, we were literally right in the same place. See? See? I was staying just up the street from there in... In a nicer place. Seven rooms or whatever it's called. It's like literally across the street from Cafe Sicilia. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, we went there every day. It was like 100 degrees there, I'm assuming, right? I'm going to say it right now. I'm sorry to any Italians that are listening. I don't care for granita. Whoops. Whoa. Not even the almond flavor? I mean, if I'm doing it, it's lemon. I'm not doing it. Do not whoops the granita. But, like, you know what I don't get about it? He whoopsed it. The brioche. Yeah. That's the weird part. I agree. I don't do the brioche. So, for anyone listening that doesn't know what we're talking about, granita is... It's like a slushie. It's like a slushie and typically sort of like lemon or peach is a big flavor. But people there eat it with a big brioche bun that's already kind of like sweet, right? It's like sweet on sweet on sweet. I don't get it. Yeah, it's a little weird to have like... You know what would make this like...

Hawaiian shaved ice even better. A fucking hamburger bun. No one's ever said that. So you're more of a gelato girl? Is that what you're saying? That's what I'm saying. It's like... Pistachio. I'm kind of like a sorbet. I'm a sorbet gal. I like a nice... I like a nice lemon sorbet. Oh, okay. So you've got a palate. Your palate yearns to be cleansed is what it sounds like. Yeah. I mean, I don't smoke anymore. I used to smoke for a really long time. But I have like a smoker's palate. Like when I get a pizza, it's like olives, anchovies, chili. It's like so salty. Like other people can't understand it. But it's like I love – that's like my flavor profile. Like capers, big. flavor oh yeah i know what you mean yeah so like i'm kind of like a like a i like sour i like your your uh your mouth is a maximalist yes yes yes and my but my heart is a minimalist oh god the dichotomy of this guy it's unbelievable did we did we just did we just name my uh my biography somehow yeah yes yes exactly exactly that is I need to try one of these. Jason, can you learn to make this? I've never had it. I know how to make it. Yeah, you just put some whatever flavors you want together with the water and stuff, and you put it in like a baking sheet, like a very thin baking sheet in the freezer, and then every like 20 minutes or so you scrape it with a fork and you slowly begin to build up this shavy ice. I haven't done it yet, and as fall and winter is upon us, I don't know if I'm going to get to it in 2022. Did you happen to go to Madonna's birthday while you were there, Orville? Or did we not get the invite? I didn't get the invite, but you know what? I heard... It was like the buzz of the town. We would be in a taxi and just chatting with the guy or whatever. He would be like, you know Madonna had her birthday last night? Everyone sort of was like... Buzzing about it. Do it in the Italian voice. Italian voice or Sicilian. Everybody was... Are you going to Madonna? No, it's funny because I did get the invite. I did get the invite to Madonna's birthday.

And then the invite was taken away later on in the day. Wow, are you bragging on the pod? He's always bragging on the pod. I didn't know. Wait, are you bragging on the pod? When am I not? No, it's not really a brag because I was invited by a friend of mine named Jesse who was DJing the party. He's like, yo, I think I just walked past you in Noto. Are you in town? I'm like, yeah. He's like, oh, I'm here to DJ Madonna's wedding. LOL, bring your USB stick. We should play and it'll be fun. And I'm like, so I think I'm going to Madonna's birthday tonight? What am I going to wear? Blah, blah, blah. Do I have time to drive to the Prada outlet? And then five hours later, he was like, yeah, so not really going to be able to get you in kind of thing. Maybe for the better. That's hard. I bet it was a lesser guest list than we think. That's what I was going to say. No shade to Madonna because, of course, she's amazing in Madonna. you know i don't think it was like i don't think yeah no i know i know you don't even have to say it i mean i don't think it was like quite i don't think it was like the med gala or anything i think it's okay no it's too remote it's too remote like it's very remote it's just very close friends just very close you know how she can be and maybe some like maybe some like local townspeople just to like fill it out because i feel like like yeah How many people were even there? But how strange that both you and I were actually there in town. I know. Everyone loves Italy, huh? No, not me. Wow, not you. I mean, Italy's fine, but Italy's just like any other place. Like, I don't really get the magic, personally. Oh. Oh. Wow. Wow. Italians are going to come for you, bro. No, they're not. They're going to come for you after your Granita comment. Also, have you heard of the mafia? I don't know if you want to fuck with that. We're not worried about the Mafia. We're worried about the Italian Board of Tourism because we're trying to get flown out. They're all expenses paid next summer. I love that. I'm not worried about the Mafia, but I just don't – I just find it's fine. I just don't get the – I like Milan a lot. It's like a real city to be in. I really like it. Oh, girl, don't do all that. Milan. That's true. It's true. It's true.

I don't need to watch people eat pizza on a rocky beach. I'm just all set. I'm all set. That's just me. That is a big part of Italy is eating pizza on a rocky beach. That's what I'm saying. Catch me somewhere else. I'll be at the Four Seasons in Hawaii or some shit. I'm all good. I'm all good. Orville, as a recovering sig smoker, when you're in Italy, is it tough to resist? Do you do a couple cheeky puffs while you're over there? We don't have to tell anyone. No cheeky puffs. As you know, I'm a maximalist in my mouth. That's the album title. Mouth maximalist. That's good. I'm kind of like, I don't think I'm capable of just like a cheeky puff. I'm like, you know, I'm either not smoking or I'm smoking like two packs a day kind of person. So no cheeky puffs. I'm very proud of myself, though. It's been good for you. Yeah, and I went all of Italy, no cigs, which is really impressive for me. Just the chewing tobacco only. That's really nice. But you know what's crazy? I'm going to tell you a little secret that I haven't told anybody, really. I got hypnotized. Oh, nice. Yeah, I did the nicotine hypnosis thing. A lot of people say it works. Well, listen, I don't know if it's placebo or whatever the fuck it is, but I don't know. It was enough for me that I... I sometimes still get cravings. I'll be at a bar and I maybe had a few drinks and someone's outside smoking with me and I'm looking at a cigarette thinking, ooh, that does look nice. But then two seconds go by and I forget about it. I just don't want to do it. That's when you grab the mini Pop-Tart in your back pocket just to hold you over. Exactly, yeah. All right, Orville. Well, thank you for doing the show. It was great talking to you. We hope you had a lot of fun. Wait, were you recording all that? That's right. That's how podcasting works. Do not. Just kidding. No, that's great. Thank you. Thank you, Orville. Thanks for having me. I hope to see you guys at another very niche gay function like I saw you at. No problem. No problem. Shout out to Tom of Finland.

And the rodeo is in L.A. at the Greek Theater on what day? November 2nd. November 2nd. All right. November 2nd at the Greek Theater, the rodeo, and the album's in stores. And a quick shout-out to our mutual friend Austin Peters as well. Oh, we just saw him last night. I know. We go way back. We love you, Austin. He's great. A true legend. A true legend. I love Austin. We will talk to you soon, Roval. Thanks so much, bro. All right. I'll talk to you later. Ciao, Orville. Grazie. Ciao. Grazie mille.