384. - Scout Willis

All right, this episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by Stateside with Kai and Carter, a new podcast from The Guardian. And they are using this podcast to slow down the news and wrestle with the questions that we all have about what's happening in the world. And they do it three times a week, Jason. Does that sound familiar to you? We don't really talk about, you know, a lot of international global news items and climates and cultures and sports and things like that. We do talk about fashion and wellness, but for everything else, Kai and Carter are a great place. All right, so who couldn't use more news? Listen wherever you get your podcast. or watch on YouTube. I'm recording How Long Gone, Los Angeles, California. It's going to be a scorcher, TJ. Did some dragging. Now I'm having a great smoothie with some... Some Ladder protein in there, a little Wolverine style. I'm feeling good. Oh, I love when TJ does his Wolverine style. Yeah, our friends at Ladder sent me a giant bag of protein knowing that I don't make my own smoothies. The disrespect was palpable. I did obviously berate them via email and will be receiving my crack cocaine pre-workout shortly. So do you think making smoothies yourself, is that something that's for the help to do or is it you don't want the cleanup, you don't want to have the food products stored in your home? Food products. No, no, I think it's actually something that could interest me because of its scientific nature. You've always been a science nut, so that doesn't make sense. They call me Bill Nye in the streets, but it requires a lot of ingredients. It happens in my household, and I am still the one cleaning up the mess, of course. So I do kind of know what the remnants are, and I would like to avoid that. You're right. I don't know what it would be like to have a partner that was less clean than I am. I've always been...

the messier of the two. So what does it feel like, Chris? You're not even messy. I used to be a lot worse. But yeah, you're right. I'm not even messy. Everyone used to be worse. Everyone used to be worse. I'm probably better than I think I am. That is partly because I do pay for the cleaning service once a week. So I don't think that it's necessarily me doing the work. I'm not going to scrub a toilet, of course. But I'm proactive in getting it done. so that everybody is happier. Everybody or you? No, everybody. I'm like, we work too hard. if you work full-time uh hard and you have you do work very hard chris you're one of them you're one of the hardest working guys on the internet i'm not talking about myself i'm talking about al but yes i mean oh got it the point is like no one no one in this household should be scrubbing a toilet let me let me facilitate it with our hard-earned exactly yeah and also i like i just like support you know i like the whole process i love having someone come over we have a little relationship I get to pay them. I get to tip them. It's just nice for everybody. I love it. I like paying for things. I like tipping. supporting small businesses, so it really is kind of in my wheelhouse to have a cleaning lady or a cleaning service. I don't like tipping, and that was one great part about Europe. We know you don't like tipping. We know you don't like tipping. I've been embarrassed by you before in many settings, and I'm sure I'll be embarrassed by you again. If you don't get a tip from me, you know what you did. You did something wrong. Figure it out. Yeah, think about what you did. Go over there, and I want you to think about what you did. We are excited. The U.S. Open has started. Serena took the court last night. Potentially her last game of her career, but she won, right? She did win. I'm unfortunately going to guess that she does not win the tourney unless she really... Right, right, right. I don't think anyone thinks she's going to win the whole thing, but... I bet Nike does. Since this is her last tournament...

every match could be her last. Exactly. Every match could be her last, and that's a tough place to live. Or just being a tennis player in your 40s, any match could be her last, depending on how the wind blows that day. No, that's a good point. I don't even think she's in her 40s. I was talking about me, but carry on. I love Serena in theory, but as I've said before on this program, after I saw that documentary, that she did and she married the guy from reddit she's kind of taking some hits you know i mean no pun intended um but still looking for the pun yeah there's no way to to kind of uh overlook her legend status and groundbreaking career legend status i i would say now that we're sort of taking a walk down memory lane last uh moment in the sun count for as long as possible i i'm i'm seeing like her the way she's changed the game of tennis fashion oh yeah and she had like the gladiator boot yeah the yeah yeah i'm gonna say that's a nan for me unfortunately it's a nan for me as well but i think the beauty i don't want it to sound like we're only pointing out chinks in her armor no no but i think the thing about serena that's interesting is that she was the person to take those risks and push it and whether if it works or it doesn't work it's almost more about the act. You know what I mean? It's more about doing it and pushing tennis in a direction that it wasn't familiar with or used to that I think that helps legitimize her legend status. Okay, so you're saying Serena Williams walked so Naomi Osaka could take a nap. Yes, I would say that Serena... beasted for literally 15 years so nomi osaka could complain about being overworked an overworked millionaire at 20 years old and you know that's that's the world we live in and i bet behind the scenes serena is like is this bitch serious you know what i mean but she's unable to say that and i'm sure her dorky husband is like

Serena, don't say that. Naomi's a nice girl. She's trying really hard. You know how burnout is. And I think that that's, you know, I don't want to speculate on what goes on behind closed doors, but that's just my guess. So she's quietly quitting tennis and Nike is quietly not writing her a check anymore, potentially? No, no, that's the thing. Nike can't do that. If Nike abandons her, then they're fucked too. So I know Sokka is really having the last laugh then. She found a way to get paid. Not unlike, she's taken a page out of Chris Black's book and just sort of found a way to make a pretty good living not doing a ton. I mean, look. And only a 5D chess master like you and Naomi are able to pull off such an Ocean's Eleven style heist. That's true. We are taking the Fabergé egg all the way to the court. Spoiler alert. I hope that Naomi, I hope the way it pans out is that she's like, you know. decides to play again and is is dominating you know that would be cool because then it's like oh all your little whining actually worked you know and you you talk to your therapist for two years and you dated you dated a rapper and you went to a bunch of events and now you're ready to play um but unfortunately i do not think that will be the outcome um but you never know man i mean i think being professional athlete uh is incredibly difficult in in many many ways and i think you have to start so young that it really fucks you up right but i also have no i have no sympathy for the rich and famous as you know what about what about the parallels maybe between a child athlete where you have to start so young like a tennis player versus maybe a child actor Any differences there? Or is it pretty similar? I mean, I think there's got to be differences because one is physical and one isn't. Obviously, you know what I mean? In a way that I think that has to... I do use physical comedy, but that's sort of a different thing, I guess. I just feel like that fucks you up. Like, I feel like the physical aspect fucks you up. almost more than acting, but I don't know. Think about the callbacks, Chris. That's true. That's how I started cutting. I'm neither an athlete or an actor, and I know that you consider yourself kind of a teenage actor with your music video career, but I don't think that took much training. I don't think that took much time on the stage.

So it's hard to kind of lump you into that category. Chris, those were some eight, ten-hour days. I'm sure. Spent eating pizza and drinking pop-up vodka. I'm sure. I'm sure. I can only imagine. I can only imagine. But I'm glad that we're both here today and we're able to watch tennis. I did watch Kyrgios last night. He was on his late-night swag playing another Australian with an earring. They both just look insane. Like, the other guy was wearing one of the worst outfits I've ever seen, and he had an earring in. And Kyrgios has got a couple chains on. You know, he's wearing his hat kind of backwards. But I do appreciate that he just wears – he basically finds Nike tennis clothes that look like basketball clothes and wears them. And I think that's very cool. He's got the compression short-sleeve shirt under the tank top. style jersey i'm wondering if he has such strong opinions about his clothing choices why doesn't nike just let him design his own basketball themed clothes or whatever he doesn't he can just like make his own shit well because because maybe he's not big enough yet i don't know yeah well that wouldn't sell to the consumer i don't think and then they'd be like all right we got We got Rafa's collection. We got Fed's collection. And we got this other guy. He's ranked 23rd, but he does tank tops. We kind of gave him his own thing. I don't know if that would really go over. He's not at the top top, but he's obviously a fan favorite, a crowd favorite. You know, he won some shit, but he wasn't. No, that's not true, Jason. Agassi's a legend. Agassi's a legend. And I want to just. Kyrgios will be a legend. I mean, he already is a legend for the wrong reasons. Hopefully he can kind of turn that around. And just quickly, quickly before we talk to our guests, let's talk about you doing drugs and seeing the strokes because we haven't. We didn't get we didn't get to cover that. And I'm sure our guests will want to get into that as well. I'm sure she has an opinion on on an over 40 year old man using moon rocks on a Sunday night.

But I would love to hear overall, just let's give the experience a numerical grade and then we'll kind of get into the details. Okay, I would give it, you know, because I am a seasoned pro and veteran, I would probably give it maybe a 7.9 out of 10 on execution. Wow, 7.9. That's big. Since it was a Sunday and I was watching, you know, a band play and the whole thing is going to be done by 11, which is, you know, back in the day I wouldn't even leave the house at 11. So you kind of have to. Plan out your drug intake timing-wise. Of course, of course. And also, don't just take one pill and then have that just smack you like a raptor. Like you're going to drip it into your Aquafina, smuggle it into the festival in Pasadena with the other members of the WASH community and kind of... feel like you're getting one over the wash community says the guy who went to the killers show some somebody told me you look like you have a girlfriend that i would say boyfriend i would say that the killers show uh with the crowd doesn't know what the term washed means in this in this instance is that better i would rather i would i would rather see the killers at full price than see lcd sound system ever in my life and i know you didn't see lcd sound system but me too but i just i i do think you made the right decision for you and we're both We're different ways still building in this situation, I think. What was Julian? Was Julian wearing a leather vest? Yeah. Nice. So the king of grooming, Julian Casablanca, he, you know, like you were saying, there were some rumors that he was maybe facing the... His back to the crowd. The two rumors I've heard about Julian Casablanca in the last couple months is he has a giant hog and he's not facing the crowd while he performs. Those are the two things, which are both cool. Do not tell my partner that he has a giant dick. I'm already sending her Reddit posts about how he grooms children just to get her off the scent. She was basically crying when The Strokes played the entire set. I just think of The Strokes as...

the perfect like coke music but i don't think of them as like a band it doesn't it doesn't um kind of stir any emotions in me right well you're a 40 year old straight man so she was like 13 when the first album came out and so this is basically just like her entire formative childhood her hormones her emotions her sexual attractions you know like the definition of what a hot boy who is an artist and a dark moody guy or whatever. He's up there. He's got a big ass dick. He's crooning. He's singing songs about how, you know, he's sad and the cops are bad. And everyone's on coke. There's no rules. Everyone's an asshole. It was good. If I'm going to be honest with you, I'm a fab guy. Yeah, I mean, fab is great too. They're all great. Fab's the hottest. Fab had the best solo records as well, which I think go often overlooked, unfortunately. But anyway, I'm sorry. We got sidetracked. Let's talk to our guest about The Strokes. We'll talk to our guest about The Strokes for most of the show. Thank you for joining us. Scott LaRue Willis is our guest today. Her new album is out now everywhere you stream music. And let's give her a jingle. Oh, this is huge for me personally. This episode of How I'm Gone is brought to you by TaskRabbit. Oh, baby, let me tell you something. This is not a joke. I use TaskRabbit a lot. because I can't do anything. You need some art hung? TaskRabbit. You need something put together? A cabinet? Got to reach that cheese grater on the top shelf? TaskRabbit. Anything you need, TaskRabbit can take care of it for you. How it works, TaskRabbit connects you with skilled taskers in your area. They can help you move. They can assemble furniture. repairs, yard work, mounting, and more. You can search for a Tasker based on cost, skill set, availability, and past client reviews so you know exactly who's showing up and can have confidence that they know what they're doing because Taskers have assembled over 3.4 million pieces of furniture, completed 700,000 home repairs, handled 1.5 million moves, and the numbers are just going up, Jason. Yeah, throw a little money at the problem. It's not so expensive, and that job that you really don't want to do is something that another person out in the world,

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The news and wrestle with the questions we all have about what's happening in the world. And I know you particularly have quite a lot of questions. A lot of questions. But how often? Because we do this podcast three times a week and that's a sweet spot. How many times do they do? Three times a week. And I have a feeling just based on the platform and these talking points that they're maybe going to be covering different stuff than we do. That's just a guess. The Guardian is not some billionaire owned. They're not afraid to say what they want to say, brother. Yeah, Rupert ain't sniffing around in what journalists Kai Wright and Carter Sherman are up to over there at Stateside. But yeah, listen wherever you get your podcasts. You can watch it on YouTube. It's three times a week. And who couldn't use more news? Especially when it's not from here, let's say. Give it a listen. Give it a listen. Hey, everybody. Jason here. Quick note. The Zoom recording on today's call sounds great, but at the very end, our guest's voice starts getting all weird and messed up sounding, so we have to kind of end the show a little more abruptly once it becomes unlistenable. So if that starts happening, it's not your fault. It's ours. Thank you. I'm sorry I'm coming to you from the bed because there's some construction going on. Oh, wow. Damn. Okay. I will say that Scout's bed does look a little nicer than mine. I don't know if this is home or a hotel. Tell me it's a hotel. I'm going to say hotel. It's a hotel. Okay, great. So you live at the addition in West Hollywood. That's kind of weird, but whatever you're into. No, honestly, it would feel a little sterile, no, if it were my home. I agree. Like a little more flair. You have more flair. You have a leather headboard behind you, and I don't know about that. But it also looks like there's a cement fireplace to your right. It's a decorative aspect. A decorative aspect. Okay, that's a good word to use. What is that? That's a decorative aspect. Next question. I didn't know that you did hotel reviews in your spare time, but you clearly have the vocabulary kind of down. Okay, so are you on holiday in the Maldives? Are we in Greece? Oh, my God. You got it on the second guest, baby. I mean, look at this tan. There's only two places people we know go, and that is Italy or Greece. Are you telling me a hot influencer chick was in Greece this summer?

That's crazy, bro. You guys, I have been watching everybody I know and a bunch of people I don't know be in Italy, Greece for like the past year and a half. And I've just been patiently waiting my turn and getting this album out into the world. And it's like, I am so unabashedly on vacation right now. And I'm like, photos, bikinis, food. Okay, so you wanted to really earn this holiday. You wanted to finish a big task. Yeah. And then you could really lay your hair down and start taking pictures of fruit on Instagram. Yes. Jason and I both were just on extended holidays in Europe, Italy, Paris, you know, different locations. And honestly, I got to say. I'm exhausted by it all. It's a gift and a curse, and I'm not talking about the American Express bill. I'm talking about kind of the way my body and mind felt afterwards. I wanted to feel that euphoric kind of refreshment, like a bottle of water in the desert, but I just felt a little beat down and desperate to get back to my L.A. routine. I don't know if... Are you a big vacation person? Is that something you aspire to yearly? Yeah. You know, here's actually what I've been saying. I want to weave vacation energy, which is something that having not been on one in a long time, I could only like imagine. But for me, it feels like this sort of luxurious Matthew McConaughey-esque like sensual playfulness. And I want to weave that into my everyday life. Okay. As opposed to like putting all my intent, like energy and attention on this one thing. Cause that then guarantees it to be a letdown in a way, you know? Damn. Okay. Scout. Okay. You've kind of got me, you've got my third eye cracked the fuck. No, that's bullshit. Cause I say the same thing. I say the same thing as her. I say the reason why these two weeks out of the year are a letdown for you, Chris, is because we're, we've worked hard, we're privileged and we're smart and we've created those 50 weeks out of the year.

to be on vacation every day. Like you said, we're talking to each other in our bed, drinking a green smoothie, and later I'm going to go hit the sauna. When I go to Greece, I'm going to be like, what's my Wi-Fi? This coffee's bad. Blah, blah, blah. My clothes aren't here. It sucks. I don't know how McConaughey... fits into all of this. Maybe you want, I think you want a guy with no shirt on to be holding two beers in one hand while you're in bed and he hands one to you and he's like, here you go, baby. And you're like, I love Holiday. No, have you guys, have you guys read his book? I, you know, I haven't, but I've heard this from other people that I love and respect and I, is it, is it a self-help? Is it a memoir? Is it a combination of the two? Combination of the two. You nailed it. Okay. Okay, so after I watched Beach Bum, I was like, oh my god. Classic, underrated film. I really like Beach Bum. Underrated? It left me with this sensation of like... I want to fuck that bum. Honestly, no. It's like he doesn't do it for me in that way. Matthew McConaughey is like my spiritual teacher. It left me with this feeling of like, why do I ever worry about any of this small shit in my life? Okay. What do you think? Do you think McConaughey's small shit is maybe different than our small shit? Is that a possibility? It is. So I only liked him in this movie. Also, I respected the reconnaissance from the jump. I had never before that seen an actor go from one strata of acting and move to another bracket and win an Oscar. So automatically I'm like, okay, I have to respect. Very impressive. Very impressive stuff. So then someone tells me to listen to his audio book because he reads it. And honestly, it was so eloquent. It was so poetic. It was fucking brilliant. And it left me with that same feeling of just like, how do I focus on pleasure and play and gratitude? And that's where it connects to the vacation energy thread. And I feel like we've really romanticized neuroticism in our culture.

And like, oh, I'm so anxious. I'm like, I'm so much more depressed. That's right. That's right. And I'm trying to romanticize like. Romance? Yeah. And like romancing myself and like just really indulging in this idea of like luxury and sensual indulgence, but not in a like crazy, like super fancy way. I'm talking on like an everyday basis. I thought you were about to give us your code for a sex toy discount there at the end. I'm glad you kind of held off. Enter Scout 20 at checkout for 20% off. No sex toy company who's approached me to ask if I want to do that has been like of the caliber. High enough. Okay. Chris, she said luxury. Okay. Well, all that makes sense. I think that's great. Luxury. And that all makes perfect sense. I think that. you know, finding ways to weave in that, that pleasure, that kind of hedonistic lifestyle in a healthy way that happens every day. Yeah. That's, you know, that's the ultimate goal for life. At that point, you don't need to take a vacation. That's, that's where I'm at. That's what I'm saying. I, that's my whole issue is that I feel like my life is good and I've worked it out and I've, you know, it's, it's, it's, I don't feel, I feel the most comfortable and relaxed. in my day-to-day environment you know what i mean i can't i don't know if i can reach nirvana when i'm off site and i i don't know i don't know what to do i mean this is clearly and i don't romanticize anxiety i don't romanticize neuroticism that is actually the end of my enemy yeah um but i i still cannot feel what this feeling that other people have when they're in these exotic locales. And I've been to these places. They're beautiful. I like being there. But I don't feel some mental... I don't unlock anything mentally, is my point. And do you think other people do? Or do you just assume that because of Instagram? Now we're getting somewhere, Scott. I think other people... Most people might be lying to themselves when they think that I need to go to this faraway place that's beautiful.

and maybe I take a picture of myself there, maybe I don't, but it's sort of like that is my release. I need travel. I have wanderlust that can only be quenched by this very $5,000 plane ticket to Reykjavik, whatever it is. And people think that they're more educated, they're more well-rounded. when they're more traveled, which is true to a certain extent. Well, look, I think sometimes when we get everything that we've been wanting, everything we're like, oh, I just can't wait for a vacation. I think that's sometimes when we freak out the most. I'm in a truly glorious situation. I'm swimming in these turquoise waters. I'm reading a bunch of British crime thrillers. I just get all this time to read and get super tan. And two days ago, I had a full freak out. I was so uncomfortable in my own skin in a way that I haven't felt in so long. And someone reflected back to me that like some they call it like our having this levels that it's almost a little kid. You know, little kids eat so much candy and they're so excited that they like vomit and freak out. sure i think it's like that a little bit and chris i wonder if that's what you experience where it's like this overload of these really amazing things that you do want that leaves you craving like safety and home and like what you know because it feels uncomfortable to have such a beautiful life that you've like earned and created for yourself I would say most listeners to this podcast would say, I haven't earned it, but thank you for saying that. I really appreciate that. Okay, like a subconscious defense mechanism. His brain is protecting his heart because if he enjoys it too much, he might throw up. It could be taken away. It's scary to have these beautiful things. That's why he never wears his Rolex. I mean, I do think there's a lot of truth to everything you're saying, and I feel like you've kind of got the right vacation attitude. It's unfortunate that we're doing this show at the end of summer, but hopefully people are able to kind of take these elements that they will learn from you. No, thanks to global warming, summer ends in November. We've still got two more good months left. That's a good point. It's going to be 115 degrees on Sunday here, so I think we're just fine. Is it really going to be that hot on Sunday in LA? Yeah, yeah. Certain parts of Southern California.

California are going to reach 115. LA? Probably not in Glendale. Maybe 106. So you don't miss LA at all? I feel like it's crazy I haven't run into you at like Bristol Farms or something. You know what I mean? You seem like a Bristol Farms kind of chick. Am I wrong? Okay, here's what's up. I... I'm a pavilions girl, first of all. I moved into my neighborhood and Gelson's was the closest to me and I was like, you know, it's because the quality is here. The prices are here. Oh, okay. That's why we go there. I was a big Erewhon hater. But then shopping at Gelson's, I was like seven items. And they're like, that'll be $57. And I was like, you know what? She's going to Erewhon. You're telling me you have those palm tattoos and you are anti-Erewhon? I don't believe this for one second. I don't. I'm the same exact as Scott. I'm the same as Scott. It was a foregone conclusion. You wrote your own future. Jason's a Gelson's guy. Jason historically was a Gelson's guy. Yeah, I'm a Gelson's lover, but I would never do practical grocery shopping there. I would go there and get a lunch bite or something like that. I would never go and get my cornflakes and my laundry detergent. That's a fool's errand. But yeah, once you spend all that money, And then you go to air one, you're like, oh, all this like healthy, cute shit is the same price as Gelson's. Why would I do that? But at Gelson's, it's like for the people, like for our parents who are really rich, some of our parents on this podcast are more wealthy than others. But that generation, like I am fine with spending $8 an apple if it means that I can be in a calm, serene environment that's void of poor people and maybe immigrants. And that was sort of the Gelson's angle for years. That is the Gelson's angle. And now they're sort of struggling. That was the Gelson's angle? Yeah, the Gelson's angle was just like, you're paying more because it feels better, but it's stuff you recognize. But I feel like they haven't upgraded. So now it's stuck in mid-90s, upper middle class. Yeah, that's why I said our parents' generation, because that's all they know and that's all they care about. I want my familiar things to be priced high enough to where I don't have to see poor people.

I feel like I finally understand Delson's. That's it. I mean, that is it. But I do think that because I live walking distance to Erwan, so they know me over there. You know what I'm saying? They don't even have to. What's up, Chris? What's up, Chris? I didn't know this. You remember? I'm just kidding. I didn't know this. I ran into a friend of the show, Decatur Dan, there last night. You can put your card on file and then scan your finger to pay. That's new. I did not know you could do that. And then I was talking about the membership program with one of the friendly employees, and they were saying that they're having to develop an app now because the abuse. of the program is so rampant with people just saying their friends' phone numbers and using their credit or, you know, whatever. So they've had to start policing. Now they have to police it. So it's like your Netflix login for your ex-girlfriend or something like that. They have to crack down on it. The psychosis of Erwan has crossed over to a criminal area now, which I never thought I would... I need that CMOS. I never thought I would see that because it is like a... The credit system, it's just like cash, baby. I've got $300 sitting in that kitty right now burning a hole in my Levi's. I like to watch – I don't know if you're like this, Scout, but I like to – not only with money, of course, but with SkyMiles, with any sort of – I don't like to spend it because I like to see it go up. Because it makes you feel abundant. That's right. That's right. I upgraded a flight recently on miles, and I felt less than abundant when I looked at my account. When the fake numbers on the fake application went down, it made you feel less abundant. Are you a gamer? No. Hell no. That's the most offensive thing you've ever said. No, no, no. Look, look, look. I'm only saying this because a dear friend of mine is a video game designer, and when I told her how I am with money,

I was like, you know, I keep it like I'll like let myself because I had to learn how to like spend money on myself. It was kind of a interesting avenue for me. And I was like, OK, but now I just make sure it never goes below this. That makes me feel this way. And then I freak out and she's like, you do it like a video game, like Sims. I was like, yeah, because it makes me feel good if I see the points on there and they're adding up. I'm like, oh, my God, everything is available. No, I mean. I'm with you on that. And hopefully it's just always going up. But you had trouble spending money on yourself. What was the problem? You didn't think you deserved it? Yeah, it was like intense. I had a lot of shame and like guilt and fear of being judged because I grew up with parents who are actors growing up in privilege. And it was this feeling like I needed to sort of like enact. It was like... faux humility or like i don't know there was it was really tangled up for me i've experienced this before there was there was a time in my life this is a lot of faux humility actually yeah i'm big on faux humility no i knew a lot of people at one stage of my life where i would be like bro i recognize your last name you can't tell me you're broke yeah like that's not real like it's it's fine it's okay that's like there's no shame. There shouldn't be any shame in that. That's not a position anyone chooses. You know what I mean? Obviously that's harder to understand as a young person, of course, especially depending on who you're around. Well, and I like, I know I don't like, I don't like lying. So I would never like lie about it if anyone asked me, but at the same time I was living in my like shitty little apartment in Chinatown. Like I'm just one of the guys like, and there was a part of it, you know, I even. I was going to release music under a different name. I was trying to do everything I could to, like, push away. And then I realized, you know what? Like, I didn't choose the vagina I came out of. Like, this is part of my life. It's come with a lot of fucking amazing positives. And it's come with some really, like, shitty, intense things as well. And so does everyone's life. Everyone's life has pros and cons. Everyone's 10 emotionally is a 10 for them.

I can have perspective. I can be of service. And at the end of the day, that's all I can do. And me sitting here being like, I'm such a piece of shit. Actually, that's the most self-indulgent thing I can possibly fucking do. No, you're right. Going to Nobu is something you should always do for yourself. And I'm glad that you're able to do that. And also a person in your specific lifestyle, where you grew up, how you grew up, your privilege that you have. When you're telling the world about yourself from an honest place, you have a life that people are interested in hearing about, you know? And I feel like whenever people get famous or rich or whatever at a certain level, they begin to sort of control their thoughts and their actions and what they say because they're afraid of, you know, coming off ungrateful or whatever it might be. And I always like people who are like very rich and successful. I'm like, here's what it's like being rich and successful. And like, because everyone is like, Super curious. Like, don't hide it. Don't hide it. Yeah. Just talk about it. But talk about the good and the bad as well. Yeah, totally. Yeah, there's ups and downs. You're right, though. I think that there's kind of shared experiences for everyone of ups and downs. It doesn't really make a difference. You know, there's things that kind of cross all monetary boundaries, let's say. Yeah. We call that the human condition. We're all afraid of being judged by other people. We're all afraid of being like, it all, it's like the more work I've done on myself, the more it comes down to like, fear of abandonment, fear of being unlovable, fear of like, just being like hated and reviled. And what all of that actually comes down to is fear of death, which is so interesting because it's like, oh, if I'm abandoned and no one loves me and I'm unsuccessful and I'm awful, it all comes down to this like very primal thing. And that, no matter what the like thing, the precipitating factor is, is true for all of us. We're all just these like, little fucking babies damn damn you're all right like i'm about i'm about to turn 40 you're really fucking me up right now you know what i'm saying i i was thinking about putting one year closer to death on my cake but now i don't know if i don't know if i can do that chris would would would would matthew do that i don't mean in the bible i mean mcconaughey would he would he no he looks at yes he would he's fucking celebrating that shit he's like my life is fucking beautiful like wow

I'm still alive, baby. You're right. I'm also very hot and have a good body and I'm a millionaire. This is good. It's all good. Is the book called No Stop Signs or No Red Lights or something like that? Green lights. Green lights. That's so good. I haven't read, but I visited his website, of course, jkliving.com, where you can kind of learn how to just keep on living with mugs and T-shirts and stuff like that. Yeah. And I've always loved his, you know, he's just this guy that's just like, here's how I figured out life. And everyone's like, fuck that guy. Yeah. And then every woman's like, I'll suck that dick. But you know what? And you know why people say fuck that guy? Because everyone's like, well, I think of him most when I'm like so in my head. And I'm like, but is this okay? Like, can I post this? What should I say? Am I being weird? I'm at a dinner and I'm looking around and I'm like, wow, everyone seems to be just like living their lives. And I'm up here like observing it and living it. so it's like that's the energy and i think sometimes people who are like guileless and don't question themselves and just do it are like so successful and even if their art is like you're like my art's better than that like why are they getting it it's like because they're just fucking doing it and they're not worried about it being an a plus they're just like i have an idea and i'm gonna make it happen welcome and that's welcome to podcasting the barrier of entry is really low uh that's exactly why we're here today because we just said fuck it let's do it you know we're reaping those benefits as well not not quite as much as matt uh but we're you know we're getting there but you're on your way Well, to me, I look at it, we're getting very good at finishing a podcast. You're getting good at finishing a song. Yeah. Every time you do it, you get better at finishing it, which is already so hard to do. Yeah. And then once it's out there and you realize, like, the world keeps on spinning if I didn't release perfect art today. Yeah. And then you only get better from there. I mean, Jason, you're literally, like, shirtless in your room with a sauna behind you. That's right. You're not doing it.

That's right. I'm living the least of the three of us right now. I think you're number one because you're in a beautiful location. Jason's in Glendale, which he considers a beautiful location. Certain parts are wonderful. I'm in the depths of West Hollywood with construction. I'm about to eat some edibles right now. Just because. Just because. It doesn't matter. So how long did you sit on this music before you put it out? Is this like shit you've had forever? Yeah. Long time. Some of this stuff is from 2015. That is a long time. That is a long time. But here's the thing. At every stage, consciously, I thought to myself, I'm doing it. But there was an invisible wrench in the machine that I was like, why is it taking so long in this? And once I realized, what was that? Was there someone like a... from a musical side that was like, can you, can you shit or get off the pot, please? Like, I don't want to hear about this anymore. Or, or was there an ayahuasca ceremony that unlocked this invisible wrench? I could see either, I could see either one for you. No, there was no one. I think I was like kind of doing it myself. No, people in my family do music a little bit, but I, you know, this is like, like doing it as the sole focus. So I didn't really have a mentor. Sure. Linda Perry was kind of helpful. We were working together for a second. She was like, why are you not fucking doing this? But I had nodes. I had to go on vocal. Not nodes. But to get to the – there was a moment I was actually – I was in a spiritual psychology class. So it wasn't ayahuasca, but it was close. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Is that the name of an Incubus record, by the way? Yeah, yeah, hold on. First of all, Brandon Boyd, I know that song. No, but this sounds like – now, is this a class like a – college class or maybe just something online what are we talking about no and so it used to be a master's course now it's not it's through a university in California um it's just called the University of Santa Monica which is really weird because it's like a deeply spiritual institution and a family friend had done this class and done the master's program and my older sister rumor went to one class and the shit she was saying was stuff that it had taken me like

five years to get to so i was like like where did you just go for one weekend and you've changed your tune like bitch what is this class i gotta drive to the west side all right i guess all right fine i guess i did it with my mom and my older sister and it was like so life-changing now like my younger sister did it my boyfriend is in year two of this class like we're getting the whole family involved and basically i could I could very comfortably start my own coaching practice and not feel bad about it. Well, you know what, Scout? I know a lot of people have started their own coaching practice in the last five years. What do you think? Any good ones or no? The only coach I want is on the damn football field. I just prefer to call it. I just don't understand. I guess my issue is. Do you understand the difference? I mean, I do understand the difference, I think, because it requires less. in theory than a psychiatrist or a psychologist as far as like education goes am i am i i could be wrong no no and so what about a therapist would you ascribe that to the same list of those two no i don't know maybe not maybe it's just the terminology you know what i mean but therapist is like what you do that's it's it's 250 a week and that's just what you gotta you gotta swallow it you gotta do it you know but and chris likes that I do like that. In fact, I would like it to be $300 because that's like round. If there's a group of people that meet in a park and discuss things and it doesn't cost $250 an hour, it makes Chris confused and discombobulated. That just told me everything I need to know about both of you. He has his eyes closed and he has a $100 bill and he's trying to find a slot to stick it in. Someone help me, please. So you're saying, but what do you think? What, in your opinion, as someone who's clearly pretty involved in this stuff, what is the difference? What is the benefit of a coach? Okay, look, there are shitty coaches. There are people who have their head up their own ass, and there are people who really know their business. Same with therapists, same with psychologists, same with people who just hand out pills without actually listening to someone. I think there are hoops all over the place. I'll let their information at the end of the show, please.

And what this what this class supported me in getting. So basically a very brief rundown of what I was learning in this class is about like taking radical responsibility for your own life and not blaming other people for your shit and letting go of your own self judgment. OK, so how we would learn that we would learn a skill. The teachers are like this couple who have been teaching this class for like 40 years. They're amazing. And then you'd go into a trio like say the three of us are in a trio right now. I am the facilitator. Okay. And so I'm asking Chris questions and I'm helping guide him towards like finding a solution for himself. Okay. And I just sit in the corner and watch. And Jason, what you're doing is being the neutral observer. So you're just being a loving battery. You're being quiet. Loving battery. I don't want him jerking off in that chair. That's a nice chair. That's a nice chair. Pants on or pants off. Cause this is feeling, this is a cuck situation. I'm not against it. I'm just saying. Everyone switches. So everyone tries each role. So it's like I get to be the client and work my own stuff out. Everyone gets a chance to learn. And so it's like through hours and hours of facilitating other people is how I feel like I have my foot in that world. So I would feel very comfortable doing that. That makes sense. Now let's talk about pricing structure because it feels – It feels like some of this stuff, like most things in our modern society, people just kind of pull it out of their ass. You know what I mean? Donations are expected. You know, it's like when you go to church, it's a 10% rule. That's what God said. We kind of all understand that. When you tip, it's 20%. That's what God said. I don't know. But with this, it's a little bit like what do we – it's like Jason and I charging for advertising. We kind of throw the highest number against the wall and hope they pay it. So what is the – what do you think the structure is or is that left up to each individual practitioner? Is there like an industry standard? I don't think there is because the thing about coaching is you could have someone – like I work with this woman who is a pleasure mentor.

I do coaching with her. She's amazing. All right. No, you can't. You ain't going to breeze by pleasure mentor. I'm going to explain. Yo, what's her at? I'm not going to blow her spot up. I can message you guys later. Okay. So she, I, so I've, I've been doing this class. I did three years of this class. Right. So then I had this like download moment when I turned 30 last summer and I was like, okay, now I want to do all this same work, but through the lens of sexuality. Okay. So that's when I started working with like all these different people and I really stepped into the world of coaches. And luckily I know how to discern like. someone who's full of shit from someone who actually has something to, like, help support me. You've been in this town since day one. You can tell these. I've been in this town. My mom would have, like, fucking, you know, like, yoga and defact chakra, intuitives, like, Cherokee medicine woman to connect to our roots, like, you know. You've seen it since literally birth. You're good. You can suss it out. Okay. I can suss. The pleasure mentor is guiding you through the same kind of thing you're doing over in Santa Monica, but it's from a sexual standpoint. So it's basically, like, kind of therapy you know but what is amazing about her is I could be like you know I'm having this issue with my sister I could say like I'm struggling with someone I'm working with and she takes me through that stuff that's coming up with my partner or I could be like how do I set up a BDSM scene and she's like Okay, here's how I do it. Wow. She's a one-stop shop. Yeah. Next question. Has this helped or hurt your relationship with your boyfriend? Oh, my God, it's helped so much. Now he sees her. He sees her, too. Yeah, and then we have sessions together. It's so fun. Yo, you have turned this guy out. I bet this guy was just a regular, good-looking L.A. guy. Like, yeah, skate a little bit. Oh, my God. He's like, babe, $5,000? What? Okay, I guess. I mean, can you put a price on having sex in a healthy way and not an unhealthy way, Chris? Ding dong. Ding dong. Ding dong, Chris. Is it better to have sex in an unhealthy way? Yeah. But is it better for your mind in the long run? Questionable.

Jason's had more unhealthy sex than most people, so he's just kind of – he worked in nightlife, as you can imagine. Oh, yeah. I switch over to healthy. This is all great. So you're saying – I'm just impressed that you're able to finish and record and release an album with all this learning going on. Like I don't know how you – I don't understand the time management. Well, you know what? For a while, I was really beating myself up because I was like, man, I'm really like – uh well going back to the privilege shame i was like what a piece of shit i am but i'm able to like do all this work on my inner world and blah blah blah and i should be doing music and la la and then the music stuff really like fell into place and as soon as i got into the studio i was like oh my god timing perfect because i need to be the exact age i am and i've had all these experiences to really be able to like advocate for what i want and like stand up in this very male-centric environment i'm in and be able to like really articulate what I want to have happen. And B, the way I make music, all of the work I'm doing, like weaves itself in because here's the thing, I am really privileged to be able to do all of this stuff. And music is the way that I can like subtly share what I'm learning. and give it to people in a way that's more... Digestible. Yeah, it's a little more digestible. Yeah, and digestible. Because this is deeper than rap, is what she's saying. It is deeper than rap. I get a lot of flack in my household for playing tennis at 3 o'clock in the afternoon, but I guess I could be pushing it more. I need to be doing more stuff. I need to get out there and do some more stuff. Yeah. It's all weaving into your work. It's all a part of it. This is literally what I tell people all the time. They're like, you just sit on a bench for an hour. I'm like, yeah, it's my fucking job. I got to, you know, I got to soak this up. You know, it's like. A hundred percent. I agree. Sometimes you need a layover to see how the other half lives. It's the same. You know, I totally get it. So, Scott, when you were like in high school, what was the formative music for you other than Fiona Apple? Well, you know, you guys were talking about the strokes just before I came on, which were my life. Oh, interesting. I love the strokes.

And mostly from my dad, it was all pre-1980 music. It was a lot of Patsy Cline from my mom. It was classic rock from my dad. It was also the Coasters and Roy Orbison. Then it was folky stuff. It was Karen Dalton is a big one for me. I love this, but we talk about this on the show a lot because... I love my parents, but they're not cool. And we didn't do a lot of music stuff in my house, but then that became the driving force in my life from like 12 until basically now. But I always wonder... What kind of freak I would be if my parents were like, you should check out The Smiths or whatever when I'm like 10 years old. I can't imagine what that's like and how different that is. How insufferable would you be if your parents made you read Dostoyevsky at 10 years old? Yeah, yeah. How much worse could I be? Because it's pretty bad. It's pretty bad now. It's pretty bad. No, it is not. But that's a nice menagerie of music there. It's not, but I do think that there's a, because you're younger than us, and Jason, the way he was describing Carolyn's response to the strokes is probably similar to yours. Like, this is like, these guys are the hottest, coolest dudes of all time. Not anymore. No, not anymore. But I have to say, I still vote Fab. Fab is my number one. He was the hottest. He's the hottest, exactly. He was the hottest. The bushy hair. At a certain point in his life, Jason thought, and maybe was told by a drunk person that he resembled Julian Casablanca. So he is kind of biased towards that. Even before he heard that he had a huge dick, he kind of wanted to relate to that. I understand that. Yeah, it was just one of those weird situations where I wanted to be like the lead singer of a band instead of the drummer. I know it's hard to wrap your head around that. It is hard to wrap your head around that. Okay, if you guys had to pick like what position,

you would be in a band like where do you feel like okay this is a two-part question okay where do you honestly feel like you are positioned and where would you really like to be positioned i could start jason if that's okay with you i'll start i'll start the answer the answer is the same answer for both questions because i am secure with myself and i have done the work yes Obviously, I'm a bass player. I'm tall. I'm lanky. I'm left-handed. Big dick. I'm a bass player. That's just what happens. Chris, what about you? My answer is also the same for both questions because I've done the work and I'm securing myself. It's singer. It's singer, and there's no question. I'm a leader. I'm a performer. Unfortunately, I'm not a dancer because I don't think men should dance. But if I was being paid, if I was being paid, it might change kind of my perspective on things. But I think that, unfortunately, I cannot play an instrument. So my voice is all that I have. That is my instrument. But even in a metaphorical band? Well, Chris is a drummer. He loves drums. I don't know why you're saying singer. Because I think if I was a drummer, I think throwing me behind. you know, all the symbols kind of obscuring my face would eventually hurt the bottom line for the band. I mean, that's just kind of what it is. It'd be a waste of good looks is what you're saying. What instruments do you play, Scout? I play guitar and I was creeping into piano. That's the next one. I taught myself how to play guitar. I think the piano is the... Even though guitar looks cooler, I think, in the scheme of things, piano is the one that appeals to me the most as well. And I believe it is, you know, it's kind of the baseline for all music to me. I agree. In a way. And look, there was a time in my life where I would have told you I'm never going to play an instrument because I just like couldn't get my shit together to practice guitar. And then I finally just did it. So I feel like now nothing feels totally off limits. And for me, look like.

Being a guitar player is never going to be my thing. I mean, never say never, but for me, it's about my voice and about the songwriting. But the first time I ever played a show by myself, not needing any other musicians, especially any other male musicians, and could perform just me and a guitar, it was pretty phenomenal. Yeah, no, that makes sense. I mean, that's the end-all, be-all. That's why it's so impressive when you see people do that. But you do have a nice speaking voice, which I hear it's kind of deep. which I could relate to as well. So, Scott, I wanted to talk about you on your holiday. So you said you and your boyfriend are just kind of in Greece getting tan and reading British crime novels. I'm with my mom, too. Oh, you're with your mom, too? This guy, honestly, we've got to talk to this guy. This guy, look, I'm praying for this guy every day. Girls trip. No, look, okay, here's the real deal I'm going to reveal to you guys and obviously all your listeners, too. We're on our friend's boat. He knows. Jake, my boyfriend, he knows. He knows. He's like, he knows how lucky he is. He always talks about how he's actually long conning me because he wants to be an actor. I like this guy. I'm sold on this guy. Okay, so you're not on a boat right now. Five years is a long time to long. I'm on a boat right now. Jason, I think you have to understand like a boat. She's being democratic yet again. It's more of a yacht is my guess. Okay, yes, it's a yacht. Chris, I could do the math. I could do the math. I was just more so saying that this is the first. Okay, look, I was still hiding. No, no, no. I'm saying this is cool. You're the very first How Long Gone guest who's ever recorded from a boat. Nate, a super yacht. Can I ask you just one question? You can nod your head yes or no. Is it Barry Diller's yacht? No. Okay. All right. That's all I want to ask. That's all I want to ask. That's all I want to ask. No, it's a rowdy Greek couple who are dear family friends of ours. Oh, that's cool that it's in their local waters. Oh, yeah. And who are super excited to show us everything and everything they do. Like, if you guys were here, they'd be like, oh, like, Jason, bravo, bravo. Like, bravo. Like, you feel so. Why are you so skinny? You need more cheese. Eat more of this cheese. That's it.

So y'all is good. Now, to all your sisters, I just feel like there's a lot of people around all the time. You know what I'm saying? So these guys, I'm sure there's been many over the years because there's so many women in the family. That's not like a shot. I know how this goes. There's three hot sisters. There's a hot mom. There's dudes vying for attention at every turn. If you brought home a dud, who's the first person to be like, yo, this guy's got to go. This ain't working. This shit ain't it. I know he's, I know he's hot. I'm the one. I'm the one. Oh, bring anyone home. I'm like, I get really, I'm like, you know, I'm very accepting and very open, but like, I'm the, also the one who has called people. My sisters are dating and been like, you leave her the fuck alone. If she ever comes home crying like this again, like I go crazy a little bit. Only under duress. Only under duress. Okay. For all the lawyers listening, she hasn't crossed the line. Let's be very clear. She's not crossed the line. This is only verbal. In my defense, I was under duress. That's good because there needs to be a police woman in the group, I think. I don't want to be the police woman. Well, you just admitted on mic that you're the fucking feds. So I don't know what to tell you. No, look, we all, but let me just say this. Everyone's brought home a dad at one point. Of course. Everyone's been there. Sure. So you also learn how to be like, look. Because sometimes when you say something about that guy, it only pushes them closer in this like Bonnie and Clyde way. So you also learn when to push and when to be like, okay, enjoy. I might be over here. Yeah, that's the real long con. You're going to have to learn about Trent the hard way. I'm not going to help you out. You're going to figure Trent out. Now, what was your level of high school partying? Were you absolutely out of control? My path was a little weird. So I had a really early bad phase. Like how early are we talking? I'm talking.

smoking weed at tennis camp when I was 12. 11, 12 drinking for the first time, but it was quick. It was quick and it wasn't that bad. I was the first one in my family, not my older sister, I was the first one in my family to get belligerently drunk at a family event. At an age that is below 21 is what your point is. 13. At the Chateau Marmont. The first time I ever blacked out. You're blocked out of the Chateau. Is this mini bar raiding or is this just like? No, this is my mom's like 40th birthday or something like that. Or like it was like an event and I had my 10-year-old little 13-year-old heartbroken. And my mom's friend gave me a glass of champagne and I took this as my go-ahead to start drinking everybody's drinks around the table. Okay, so you were, all right. And then the next thing I remember, my mom's like holding my hair back. I'm confessing. All of the other times that I sneaked out and smoked weed because I had a guilty conscience. Oh, wow. I think that's the best way to do it because you get out of your system early and then you're an adjusted person. Yeah, I've heard that style. I wish I would have kind of gone that route. I waited until much later. Because then I was sort of like perfect child a little bit. I partied on vacation with my parents. It was like iffy, but not I didn't go to I didn't really like do a classic high school partying thing. And it wasn't until college that I reclaimed. like being an irresponsible teenager first of all congratulations on going to college that's big thank you and um did you go to i i'm assuming you weren't at like university of michigan you know doing coke so what what hippie college which oberlin did you go to i went to brown okay brown's the ivy league oberlin that's nice congrats the hippie yeah yeah that's great that's great So you were saying in college, though, you were getting a little lit again. You dipped your toes back into the waters. Oh, baby. I did more than dip my toes. I was wild. So you had a little white at brown? Had a little white at brown. You know, that wasn't my drug of choice. Okay. I had a few really lovely evenings. It was like, you know, I feel very grateful because shit never got, like, super dark for me with drugs. I'm sober now, by the way.

I had a feeling I could sniff my own kind out. But I didn't. So are you sober because so it never got bad, but you were just like, you know what? I'm just going to I'm going to run this. My relationship to weed wasn't super healthy. That was my favorite drug. My absolute tracks. I mean, obviously, like psychedelics, 100 percent. I love but weed was like the day to day, you know, because, you know, shit with my family got really intense. I have so many feelings. I have no tools to deal with all the feelings. So I needed like a barrier between me and the world a little bit. And it was honestly the reason I like fucking graduated college probably because I could put a little bit of distance while I was like sorting everything out. But later down the line, I was like, you know, I just, I only know one way to use this. Like I have friends who only got into it later. We're like a little bit of like an elegant little joint before bed after a long like work day. Yeah. And that's just not. Don't come for me. I love it. I could do that. If I could do that, I would. I'm just going to have a little elegant joint before going to the Americana to watch a fine film and eating a cheesecake. I also got sober right before it was legalized. I was so annoyed like right before we got fully legalized. Well, no, no, no, no. See, Scout, this is my whole thing. legalizing weed made it more uncool than it's ever been. It's now just another Amazon business that doesn't have the same je ne sais quoi. I'm sure you were smoking better weed at 13 than I was at 26, but either way, it's gotten too... It's just not cool anymore. I don't want edibles. I want a swisher sweet that I crack open and put marijuana in and lick it like a log. always a joint girl I never liked I liked the whole I liked the um just the whole ceremony the process of it yeah that's like heroin you know you start cooking it you got the spoon the whole thing it's a beautiful it's a beautiful process yeah a friend of mine would say the best part about smoking weed is smoking the weed yeah exactly no no it's not even it's not even what happens before or after necessarily but my problem was I was you know all day long

That was when I was smoking the weed. Yeah, I was going to ask, when did the healthy relationship with marijuana start to turn the other direction for you? I just think as I generally was getting healthier in my life and working through stuff, I just didn't relate to it as much anymore. And then, which you guys also probably aren't going to let me skate over, but I did a vision quest ceremony. And after that, I decided to... Honestly, Scout, honestly, you're so likable that I'm letting stuff slide that is blowing my mind. We're going to get shit from this for our listeners for not absolutely flushing you down the toilet. Oh, my God. Flush me, though. Roast me. I swear to God. I can fucking. Flush me, king. Flush me. No. I can fucking come. I can explain everything to you. I have no fucking shame. My Instagram bio does not say like. wanderlust gypset. I'm not a Burning Man right now, am I? You can be grounded and also do spiritual shit. You're like, bitch, fuck you. I'm on a yacht in Greece. I'm not a Burning Man. Let's make it very clear. He's holding both dualities. He's holding dualities. Let me ask completely innocently, what is a vision quest? I, through a crazy series of circumstances, met this guy who turned, who's like, became my first like kind of spiritual teacher before Matthew McConaughey. Okay. And I did a sweat lodge with him, Sky Archon, and I got invited to his community in New Mexico. So I went and there, so he's a Peruvian guy who was adopted into a Lakota Native American tribe. So that was the altar that he holds. So Vision Quest is a ceremony that's been done. all throughout time. And it usually is people who are kind of coming of age and it's kind of like a spiritual initiation. Okay. So in this place in New Mexico where I go, it's done really hardcore. There's no medicine, there's no plant medicine, nothing helping you. And so basically it was me in like a seven foot by seven foot altar that you make with like little tobacco prayer things, no food or water.

Okay, I like this part. I like this part. Because I want to come out feeling thin. Hello. And like a sacred pipe that I'm praying with all by myself out in the woods for four days and four nights. So that was the most hardcore thing I have ever done. Hold on. All right. So you're alone in the woods in New Mexico. It gets chilly at night over there. Yes, it does. Alone in the woods, four days, four nights, with a blanket and just your twisted thoughts? No, it's like, yeah, basically. You know, there's like a sacred pipe that I'm praying with. And I know camp is nearby, by the way, so you can leave. But then you have to deal with the shame of fucking leaving. And then you have to redo that year because it's a four year commitment. You have to do it four years in a row. OK. And yeah, the shaman shame. You don't want to feel that. Well, look, no, it was just me battling my own ego because you know what? The first year it was not spiritual at all. All it was was me dealing with all this, babe. Four days, no water. Yeah. Walk me through what that's, in terms of feeling parched, what happens when you go beyond being thirsty. Like, it's like chewing on sticks to create saliva parched. It's like, I'm dying right now. Like, you go through a fucking, you're dead. So it's a really, you're physically breaking your brain to start over again. Yeah, and look, like, it's hard. Some people are like, but you can only go three days without water scientifically or you die. But it's... Well, it's hard to explain if you don't subscribe to any, like, sort of spiritual life is that, like, you're in a ceremony. Like, the energy and the vibration is being raised. Actually, you'll love this about my boyfriend. Me had only been dating five months. And I was like, look, I go to this place in New Mexico. If you're going to date me, probably you should.

bro this guy can you send me this guy's cash app i just want to give him some money i just want to give this guy some money because like i know there's a lot of ups you know there's a lot of positives to being with you i'm sure but this man is a saint I tell you what, Jason, even Jason. Well, I mean, I do all the eating for Chris and my catch up remains dormant. Jason.