423. - Physical Therapy

All right, this episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by Stateside with Kai and Carter, a new podcast from The Guardian. And they are using this podcast to slow down the news and wrestle with the questions that we all have about what's happening in the world. And they do it three times a week, Jason. Does that sound familiar to you? We don't really talk about, you know, a lot of international global news items and climates and cultures and sports and things like that. We do talk about fashion and wellness, but for everything else, Kai and Carter are a great place. All right, so who couldn't use more news? Listen wherever you get your podcasts. or watch on YouTube. Okay, How Long Gone is here. What's up? It is Tuesday. You are listening on Wednesday. We're coming off a great solo pod. Oh, How Long Gone After Dark might have to happen more often. Only when required. But I do think that the benefits, I'm seeing the benefits. Yeah, you can't force it. It has to happen organically. Exactly. No one's seeing the benefits more than The Big Brunch starring Dan Levy. I'll say that. Have you heard from their people at all yet? I haven't heard. I haven't been offered any free glasses from his line of eyewear, so I'm kind of still waiting. Yeah, I mean, one thing I can't get sick of is a new pair of frames and lenses, right? I have the time. I have the room. How do you feel about the barstool sports? a watch company called brick i mean i think it's cool because he is just it's it's like uh people get mad about this stuff he's only exploiting the idiots that follow him so who cares like Why would a person who actually knows about watches argue the merit of a vanity watch brand from the guy who started Barstool Sports? This is not for you. This is for people who love Dave Portnoy, they love his pizza YouTube show, and they're willing to spend money on junk to support him. That's funny. Do you know what the money is? How much it costs for a watch? The price point is very important to me. The price point is pretty high. That's the whole problem.

It's like a couple thousand dollars or like $1,500 and it's like a $40 watch. That's why people are so mad. No, that price point is perfect if you ask me. It reminds me of Steve Bannon. They found out that Steve Bannon was just doing all this stuff and putting the money in his pockets from all the idiots that follow him and Trump. It's the same idea. It's like, look, if you were able to get these idiots to band together and follow you into the fire, then you should be able to exploit them for as much money as you possibly can while smart people laugh at all of you and don't get mad that's what this country is built on you know more or less i can't argue with any of that unfortunately i mean the product obviously aesthetically is horrendous but that's to be expected i mean this is this is i'll never forget when i went to barstool sports uh and i went to the bathroom and i had the chart of your piss color above the toilet to tell you how hydrated you were that that is that defines everything to me you know that define that defines it all to me but the other The other breaking news to me is this, not breaking news, I guess, but I sent it to you earlier, this Omar Apollo tweet where someone was claiming, and I don't like to see this, obviously, for multiple reasons, but someone was claiming that he was not gay. Is Omar Apollo another queerbaiting singer like those type? quote, I don't label myself, let me wear cropped and paint my nails and say I find another guy hot, unquote, because I like his song, but I don't want to be supporting straight men doing queerbaiting. Why not? Exactly. What's the problem? What's the issue? I mean, Jason, have you ever worn a cropped shirt or painted your nails? Look, I have never done that. I have painted my nails, of course, and most tops are crops on me because of my super long body. You're not doing it on purpose. I'm not doing it on purpose, and that makes it hotter somehow, but obviously it's not our place to talk about queer baiting. But also, you know, it's like if a straight person is doing a good job at appealing to a larger audience, including an audience of gay people, and you like it, you know, it's like there's no, let's say I'm going tuna fishing.

And I put a beautiful canned mackerel, a canned sardine on my hook. That's the only place canned fish should be used is to catch other fish that are actually edible. But go ahead. I put on a Fish Wives cold-smoked kimchi octopus. And I throw it out there. That would mean I'm fish baiting, correct? Yes. And the fish goes, that looks delicious. I bite it. There's a hook. I've tricked this fish. And now I'm killing them with a baseball bat and eating them for dinner. That is bad. But what if I just take a fish bait and throw it in the water and the tuna, the big gay tuna goes yummy. I ate it. I enjoyed that. And I live to swim another day. I live to swim another day is right. But the. The big takeaway is that Omar Apollo, who is, I mean, I thought it was pretty known that he was smashing Frank Ocean, or at least was for a time. He quote tweeted with the line, no, I be sucking dick for real. For real, spelled letter F, letter R. Letter F, letter R. And this is received. It's looking like at time of screen capture, we're looking at big numbers here. This is doing numbers like my child drew the jail and pointed kind of stuff. So this is going pretty well for Omar. And I think that this is maybe the coolest thing he's ever done. I don't think Frank Ocean is cool, so betting him doesn't do much for me. But how does this rank for you on Omar Apollo? When you say it's the coolest thing he's ever done, it also may be the first cool thing that he's done. Is that safe to say? I don't really keep up with him too much as an old person. I don't keep up with him too much either. I like the fact that he does Spanish language when he did. Yeah, you love that. I like that. Bilingual black loves that. Bilingual black, even though I'm not bilingual, nor do I understand any language. You can speak city folk and country folk. I can't speak country folk. To my recollection, slobbing on Frank Ocean's knob is the only cool thing to date. Like if you had a Wikipedia page for all the cool things you've done, that's...

It would be one entry, and that would be it. And now he's got two. I bet Omar, though, I bet he has some cool pants probably in his closet. I feel like he's a big kind of pants-forward guy. Okay, yeah. I think he probably has some nice pants that would interest you because you're kind of a pants guy now. that's cool uh but not as cool as saying no i be sucking dick fr okay thank you to omar and so for for kind of making that statement fun and cool it was fun and cool yeah you know we need more fun and cool stuff in our crumbling society jason you know that yeah when we watched him at coachella it was um i was muy consado as they say which means Sleepy or tired, I guess. So he needs to start doing shit like this. Yeah, exactly. Speaking of sleepy and tired, quickly before we get to our guest. Last night, after I got back from the 1975 show at the sold-out Kia Forum, thank you to our friends at Kia. You did it again. I decided to finish off the Trevor Noah special because I hate myself. What are you going through, man? What's going on? First the Dan Levy brunch show, now Trevor Noah stand-up? Because TV is so bad and everything is ruined that I've decided it's only a torture device for me now. There's no enjoyment to be had, so let's just take it as far as we can in the other direction. That's what I'm doing now. Why don't you just kill your TV, bro? I still have to have something to do for those 45 minutes, you know, a day when I need to unwind. Yeah, it's called burpees and jump squats, you fucking pussy. You know I've already done that at that point in the day. Again. I want to point out he's continuing the absolutely insane trend of comedians loving streetwear and sneakers. He's wearing the Sean Werther Spoon Air Max 97s on the show. He could have chosen any wardrobe in the world, but he chose some Air Max 97 sneakerhead round two joints to wear on TV and then proceeded to be, he's so deeply unfunny. It's unreal how bad he is.

i don't understand it like i don't i truly don't get it and there's a it's an arena so was there at least what was there one joke or story or anecdote or no trevorism where you're like damn he really spitting for real no not at all i didn't even crack a smile and i know i know maybe that's the that's the point he's supposed to make you think you know but like i'm not gonna the only thing i'm thinking about is how he got in the sack with dua lipa there's no way that was real all they did he he did her podcast and they had some fucking dinner that there Bro, I could see it, dude. I could see him clapping because he is a good-looking guy and he is also South African. What does that have to do with anything? I'm just saying it's exotic and could be interesting to a significant other or a sexual partner. That's all. I'm just saying he's not coming to the table with just like, I'm a white guy and I'm on TV. He's like, I'm a black guy from South Africa on TV. I've got a great head of hair. I'm wearing these cool sneakers. Let me get you a martini. Let's see where this goes. There's no way he fucking had sex with Dua Lipa. I know you don't want to believe it, but I think it's very possible that unfunny comedian Trevor Noah clapped it. Hey, I'm sorry. If this was a video podcast, you could see I'm plugging my ear holes shut with my two fingertips in protest. This is horse shit. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I just don't. I just think that anything with celebrities is plausible because they're all just so lost. So you're saying there's a chance. There's definitely a chance. Yeah. If you were a barista somewhere, maybe, you know, if you were a barista at a hotel or something, but I don't think podcasters are going to get you in there. That's the closest I'm going to get to Dua Lipa is if I learn the art of. Of espresso. If you're able to serve her a perfect flat white, maybe you could get between the legs. I can get a... Oh, Chris, come on. I have a couple inns over at the Edition Hotel. It can't be that hard to foam some oat. I could see you picking up some shifts at the Edition. We do have a guest today, DJ, producer of Physical Therapy. His real name is Daniel Fisher, which I guess I'll call him if he makes me. But I think he, does he live in Berlin? No, I think he's a New York guy, but he could be in Berlin right now. Who knows? You know these DJ guys, they're always traveling. These DJ guys are always traveling. Picking up gigs and stuff.

like that so he could be over there he but i think he's a new yorker and um he's he's done a pod before our friends of the show celebrity book club he's close friends with them and he appeared on their show a few months ago and i listened and i sent him a message we had i had known of him for a long time just through the world of edm And I was like, hey, man, good job on that podcast. Most DJs are really bad at podcasting, and you did a great job. So, Jason, you think you're the only DJ that can podcast. Don't worry. Daniel Fisher is here to prove you wrong. Let's give him a jingle if he can kind of get his nose clean. All right. This episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by Quince. Jason, the temps are warming up. It's getting hot out there. Summer always changes how I get dressed. I need pieces that feel lighter, more breathable. And they're just easy, but, you know, still put together. I don't want to look like a slob. That's why I keep coming back to Quince. You know, they focus on high-quality essentials that feel and look amazing. Breathable linen and soft organic cottons. Well-made basics, but without the luxury markups. That rare balance where everything feels elevated. but still effortless. Yeah, Chris, linen season is here. I wore a linen blazer to dinner a few nights ago in the warm California sun. But, you know, you got that Italy trip coming up this summer and quality European linen pants and shirts. upgrade that look starting at just $34 you know if you get a nice linen suit a little t-shirt underneath it some chill shoes you're looking good but you're staying cool the inside of your special areas are nice and dry as you turn up with your besties so elevate that summer wardrobe go to quince.com slash how long for free shipping on your order and 365 day returns even on a nice holiday now available in canada That is Q-U-I-N-C-E dot com slash how long. That'll get you free shipping and 365 day returns. Quince punto com slash how long. This episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by Squarespace. Obviously, Jason, you and I spend a lot of time on the World Wide Web, sort of our peers, our listeners, our friends, our colleagues, maybe even your parents if they're freaky. And if you're doing anything in the world.

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Daniel, thank you. Are you joining us from a suite in Miami for the Art Basel Festival or are you somewhere else? I am joining you from day four of my COVID quarantine in my apartment in New York. Oh, you're telling me a nightlife scion like yourself actually caught COVID from one of your little raves? I know, it's surprising. You've been spending too much time over at Bossa Nova, bro. What's going on? I like had strep. Two weeks ago, I just got better, and then I immediately got COVID. Jesus. Okay, and I just want to understand. You're saying that you tested. First mistake, you tested yourself for COVID. Okay, well. Why did you do that? Why would you do that? That's just foolish. It was in the midst of, like, family Thanksgiving time. I had all this family in town visiting. I woke up on Friday. I was like, huh, my throat feels a little weird. I had just gotten, like, a huge pack of COVID tests that the pharmacist gave me for free, and I was like. Oh, maybe I'll just take one. Like not thinking in a million years that it would actually test positive. I never thought I could get it. Like I know other people got it, but I never thought I would test positive. So is this your first COVID or have you tangled with it many a time? Oh, I doubt that. This is my second. Okay, that's not bad. Damn, that sucks. I was clocking you for a four-plus guy just because of your career. A four-banger? Yeah, you seem a little mixy. And correct me if I'm wrong, but you seem like a guy that's out doing things, seeing people. So that's kind of where you can track the novel coronavirus. I'm definitely a man about town. So, yeah, I'm a high-risk candidate. Damn, bro. It's so weird, because I had COVID a year ago at least, and I totally forgot that it is possible for me to get COVID again. The thought of it never even enters my mind, and I'd be on planes and all that shit. I guess I should be a little more cautious. I don't think I even, because I wasn't really feeling very sick, I don't think if I was about to see eight...

like older family members if I would have tested. And also I just happened to like have just gotten this big box of free tests. It's almost like it was a conspiracy. Yeah. This feels like Fauci kind of had his hand in this a little bit. I mean, are you, are you related to Fauci at all? He wasn't one of the people coming to Thanksgiving, right? I really can't discuss that. Okay. Okay. Okay. I don't want to put you on the spot. I like it. The whole thing feels so like throwback. It is giving throwback. It's vintage. I know people are still getting it, but I certainly haven't heard anyone mention being in a quarantine. I know, right? Well, I think because now it's like five days, which is like, okay, so that means four days, which means three and a half, and then you're back at Barry's, and no one even knows. It's fine. Exactly. So does that mean that you had to cancel your nine top at Balthazar for T-Gives? My mother had booked. the entire family for an adult mini golf course called swingers, which is bro. Are you telling me that your mom, does your mom live in Bushwick or she just, are you like, this is crazy. She lives on the Upper West side. Um, we have to cancel the swingers. Then we have to cancel dinner at top us restaurant. You know, there was a whole fallout. Well, I mean, those are shared plates. That's really bad for COVID transmission. Yeah, for sure. But you were able to keep the axe-throwing bar, Rez, at least something? There were no cancellations, but we pushed it back to next Thanksgiving. Okay. Okay, good. So you're telling me that your Thanksgiving was going to be a mini golf with nine people and then an unnamed tapas restaurant. That is one of the most twisted Thanksgivings I've ever heard. Now, you're from New York, though, so you guys are freaks. Bonafide. We already had a semi-traditional Thanksgiving at an Airbnb that my mom rented in Harlem.

Why would she rent a place in Harlem to have Thanksgiving when you guys live in New York? Because my uncle is allergic to my parents' dog. And that explains the Harlem, of course. I mean, I think that's the only place where you can get an Airbnb in New York. as far as i can tell airbnb in new york is confirmed fake that is the thing that everybody knows it's just not it's not real this is cool man this is cool stuff okay so there's a there's a family crash pad over over on 125th i'm anti-dog as you might know so i just want to know kind of what breed how much hair you know is your uncle sensitive or is he just being a pussy let's keep it 100 uh i don't want to you know talk shit about my uncle Daniel, he asked a question. It's very simple. Is your uncle a pussy or not? My uncle's not a pussy. Based on the hypoallergenic levels of his dog. The dog sheds a lot. He's a shudder. So you're going to blame an innocent animal instead of leveling with us about your uncle, and I appreciate that. And it seems like I didn't know DJs could kind of afford this kind of thing, but it seems like you've been media trained. I have. I have. You're spinning this thing like a Harlem Globetrotter, and I'm not particularly happy about it. I thought you were going to be a little more open. Daniel's got an Upper West Side pedigree, Chris. They're kind of built different over there. Finishing school, stuff like that. Yeah, did you go to Cotillion or just regular high school? Like, what were you doing up there in your younger days? I actually grew up in New Jersey. That's cool. Well, New Jersey's secretly nicer, Jason. He's trying to dog whistle something to us. Jason's never visited. Montclair, he thinks it's a puffer jacket, but Montclair is kind of a beautiful neighborhood over there in New Jersey. It's not a puffer jacket. Well, Daniel, what item were you planning on sticking your whole foot into for the Thanksgiving Day menu that you were unable to because of your quote-unquote coronavirus? Well, no. We had the Thanksgiving, and then I tested positive.

We canceled the mini golf. Everyone flew home because they were like stressed out. And then that was that. Okay. So you were able to have the sit down indoor dinner with your whole family, but the outdoor mini golf, we got that canceled. Okay. Yeah. I mean, we didn't know. We didn't know. So then what did you put your veritable foot into on the dinner table? Because I know you kind of be low key cooking with it, right? I do love to cook, but I did not. cook anything i was just there wow one of the one of the chefs handled it okay well how was the how was the food look your uncle your mom they're not listening to this shit so let me let me know if they were the the sweet potatoes burned was there too much butter did the yams touch the macaroni and cheese all right i'll break it down everything mostly everything was good the turkey was actually moist which i feel is the rarest like thing possible And my mom was freaking out because like the Airbnb oven wasn't hot enough and the turkey took like an extra hour and a half to cook. But I think that's why it was moist. Low and slow. Mama hit it low and slow whether she liked it or not. And it ended up being a Thanksgiving blessing. There was too much liver in the stuffing. Jesus Christ, dude. There were some old people there. You guys put liver in the stuffing? I mean, that's a traditional stuffing. You've got to have liver. What tradition are you talking about, bro? Did you come over in the Mayflower? No, it's true. It's true. You put the turkey liver. You put the turkey liver in the stuffing. Your ass didn't come over in the Mayflower. I need to see. That's crazy, dude. No, I like that, though. That's committing to the bit, but there's some traditions. If it's just a little bit, it's good, but there was a little too much. My mom was being crazy with the mac and cheese, which I don't even eat because I'm lactose intolerant. But she came to me and she was like, can you help? And it was like this congealed, like nothing had melted. And I was like, oh, did you make a roux? Like, how did you make this mac and cheese? And she was like, no, I used a recipe. You just like add in all the ingredients and turn it on. And I was like, that's just like noodles with unmelted.

generic cheese on it it's not mac and cheese okay hold on because i i was listening to my favorite podcast the joe budden podcast and they were talking about a lot of mac and cheese talk And they called someone because this guy said it was so overrated. And then they were talking about roux. And I don't know. I thought that's what Australians called kangaroos. I've never heard this term in my entire life. And apparently it's an agent that is, is it used in other dishes or is it a mac and cheese specific? Okay. So is it a bonding agent? Like what is it? What does it do? So a roux is one to one butter to flour. that you cook in the pan and it is like a thickening base for sauces like it's used in french sauces but it is also the key to like real mac and cheese is that you start the roux and then you melt the cheese in and that's how it actually comes out creamy as opposed to just like literally noodles with like making nachos out of pasta that's good that's good to know because i i have a delicious uh gluten-free uh erwan mac and cheese and i i wonder if they were able to rue because it did have the qualities that you're talking about and i feel like they wouldn't kind of slack off on a thanksgiving catering they probably made like a cashew flour okay okay so there was a nut based rue that's fucked up yeah rue you know chris you've heard of gumbo right a nice nolan style gumbo yeah yeah i've heard of it i've never eaten one because i love myself but i've heard of it yeah right right right That's Roo 101. That's where the Roo really shines and something like that. And I don't mean to put you two Chefanistas on the spot, but how do you spell Roo? Is it R-U or R-O-O, or what are we working with? R-O-U-X? Is that right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, no. So it's really New Orleans. Not to take it back to New Orleans, but yeah. God damn it. God damn it. Chris, if you want to cook any of the French mother sauces, you're going to have to learn how to make a roux. Sorry about my co-host. And also, check me out. There's a food podcast that I made an appearance on. Just a little side plug before I forget. It's called Taste Cooking. I talk about food for an hour. We really get into it. Daniel, okay, Daniel. So when you're not in the... It sounds like just based on your description of roux, you're pretty sick with...

it in the kitchen and i i just did you start young was your mom the instructor was there a father figure in your life that helped you learn how to barbecue in new jersey or is this something you came to uh via bon appetit youtube videos my mom was definitely traditionally the cook and my dad was the griller so you know i picked up a little bit from both of them i love american tradition this is good but i feel like you know it was a lot of bon appetit video New York Times cooking section type stuff. That's how I learned to cook. Were you doing this to woo people to have sex with you, or was this just because you thought it was fun? I mean, it doesn't hurt. Okay, so it's a both. Okay, so it's a both answer. It doesn't hurt. Right now, I've been doing a meal prep thing. Because you really are about the fitness. Okay. I really am. So I've just been eating ground turkey with kale and sweet potatoes. five four days a week probably oh man that's that's that's that's rough uh but i do think are you trying to are you so you're not you're trying to cut you're not in bulking season right now yeah yeah we're we're in cutting season like before i was doing like making doing meal prep but like making different meals and like cooking myself like skirt steaks and stuff like that and i was just like the time to pleasure ratio of like eating this now three-day-old skirt steak versus just shoveling this ground turkey in my mouth. It doesn't really make a difference. Okay. Okay. And I've always sort of fantasized about what it would be like to do something like that, where I just, like you said, just five days a week, chicken breast, steamed veggies, and sweet potatoes or whatever. I've never really been able to pull it off, especially now that I live with my fiance. And you really have to have both partners kind of in sync on eating like that because otherwise it's just never going to work out. Is there like a goal that you have that you're trying to accomplish? Is there a weight that you're trying to hit or a body BMI we're trying to hit? I'm not there with the statistics, but it's like I've been lifting, back lifting for about like eight months after being off for like two years because of a back injury.

So now I'm just like, you know, I'm seeing the results, but I don't have the abs yet. So the goal is just like we want to get to ab, ab town. Say no more. Yeah, I mean, welcome to the club, bitch. So the back, the back is getting, you're seeing the, you're looking back at it in the mirror. You're seeing the wings develop. Yeah, I think. For the first time, I'm seeing some back muscles, and then I was like, oh, do I need a huge back tattoo now? Okay, so you've been working out for six months on your back, and you're ready to go Affleck mode on the tatties. Now, do you have a trainer, or are you doing this via the Nike training app? Well, I've met with a trainer a few times because, like I said, I had a back injury, so I wanted to ease in and figure out what would be safe and what wasn't, but mostly I'm just kind of like... Free bowling. You know what you're doing. Well, I come in with a plan. I know exactly what I'm going to do, and then I'm like, but. You're a sponge for fitness content. I have a full staff, but I also do that sometimes just to kind of see some variety. But what gym are you going to, and what is the steam room situation? Because that's all Jason cares about. All right, so I go to a disgusting bodybuilder gym in Ridgewood, where I live, called Force Flex. Force Flex? And it's exclusively populated by old Polish men wearing khakis and dress shoes on the elliptical. And then insanely huge bodybuilders squatting like 400. Okay, so it's not an Equinox thing where there's a couple twinks jerking off. It's more of a real heads situation. We're here to do work. Yeah, I've seen a handful of gay guys there, but... Few and far between. This sounds very cool. This sounds very cool. There's no steam room. The locker room is, like, even just going in to use the bathroom, you're like, this is so gross. But everyone is really focused. It's very, like, inspiring. Okay. There's no hot people to distract you. What's the music story there? It's very random. Like, sometimes it's EDM, but sometimes it's, like, alt rock. Okay, okay. The other day I lost my ear pods.

and I was at the gym, and I was just overhearing so many anti-vax conspiracies from multiple people talking to each other, just having unrelated anti-vax conspiracy conversations. Ridgewood bodybuilder, definitely. Why do people move to Ridgewood again? I don't understand. It's like near the airport. There's no public transit to the airport, but I can get to the airport in like 25 minutes by cab, so it's perfect for me. Oh, because you're catching flights, not feelings. I feel you on that. I am a frequent flyer. But Ridgewood's the best. It's like right next to Bushwick, but instead of being like horrible and making you feel like. awful all the time it's like super nice and they film movies about the 50s here because it's like unchanged they might be doing a couple miss mazel pickup shots over there on the block yeah yeah definitely if you if you grew up in new jersey were you going to tunnel at 15 or have you been a nightlife scion since birth or like is this Something that you came to as an adult. I was definitely, like, taking the bus to go see, like, the shins at the Mercury Lounge or something. Okay, that's a little less cool than I was looking for, but also relatable. And, like, I was vaguely aware that, like, Motherfucker and those parties were, like, happening. but I wasn't quite there to know how to go to them. Okay, I've been to several motherfuckers in my time, actually. That's the name of a club, just to be clear for our listeners who don't know. Could you describe what was going on there? No, it's like, yeah, yeah, yes. It's 100% indie sleaze heyday, to put it into better terms. But it was actually pretty fun, and people actually partied. It wasn't like it is now where you go to something like this, and it's like, 19 year olds in baggy pants drinking bottled water uh looking at tiktok it was it was you know guys in really bad clothes doing coke and having vodka sodas and small plastic cups yeah it was a different it was a little more rocker a little less like black angular you know with the look it was a little more like andrew wk got it um

I wanted to talk about the SEO of your name for a minute. What's it like? What are some workarounds, turnarounds? How has it affected your career? I mean, I think there's some positives and some negatives. A positive is there's a lot of subliminal messaging in that anytime anyone walks by a physical therapist's office, they send me a photo. And now it's like 12 years of that, and I'm kind of just like, ha ha. So you've seen every physical therapist office this side of the Mississippi by now? Globally. I mean, that's great for inspiring new merch designs and maybe typefaces and stuff like that, but I'm sure it gets tiring. I mean, if you search physical therapy DJ, like... I'm the first and only result. Congratulations. You know, it's not that bad. If you just searched physical therapy, obviously I wouldn't be in the first thousand pages. You know, Chris Black, unfortunately, is a highly publicized writer of a few fan favorite Star Trek episodes. So I'm kind of battling against that on Wikipedia. So it sounds like you might have it better than me. The only thing is that my like. Social media handles are physical therapy with an F, and then sometimes people think that's how I spell it, which grosses me out. Well, I mean, the brain does go to misspellings, intentional misspellings when a DJ's name is presented. You know what I mean? There's either a weird letter or a missing vowel, at least. You know, I'm so proud that I got that name. Yeah, you should be. You can barely walk down the street. You can't go to your local watering hole in Ridgewood without people recognizing you from the nightlife scene. It's horrible. Especially in my dating life, I refuse to date anyone who has heard of my music. Really? That's the only way I've ever been able to have sex with people. I wouldn't say refuse. Let's clarify date. though you know what i mean you're saying you won't get into a relationship if they if they're banging your fucking resident advisor mix but maybe a one nighter you're not opposed to that i guess it would be possible i mean i truly feel like i've never gotten laid for being a dj no one believes me but we're gonna dissect this for the remainder of your episode why okay so then why would you get laid if you could lay out some of those qualifications uh that'd be great because i'm goofy okay

So you're saying goofy is what works. No, looks, obviously. Okay, so you're saying you're hot and goofy. I just want to be appreciated for my looks, just purely. Welcome to the club, sis. That's all I care about. I'm so tired of being used for my finances and my insane brain, and it's getting old. I want to be absolutely exploited. Keep dreaming, sis. No, men get more handsome as they get older. Yeah. Older the berry, the sweeter the juice. I do look better than I did when I was 25, which you can't say for a lot of people. Do you look better now than you did when you were younger? I look better now than I did at certain points in my life. I wouldn't say that I look the best that I've ever looked. We all had a chubby girl phase, right? When do you think you were peaking? I want to say 2011. 2011 what's going on in your life at the time is it just youth keeping you thin and wispy and beautiful or were you doing things to kind of make sure you were at the top of your game you know well i was i was definitely young and carefree and like not eating that much and i was just like you know i was fully into my life as a dj i had dropped out of school i was feeling really like carefree and slutty i i had highlights and Damn. I thought you were just going to say the SoundCloud was popping, but we had highlights? In my hair, yeah. And you're saying that's good, and that helped. And my style was really at a good point, which is still, I think, reverberating through men's fashion today. what i was doing around that era so yeah you though whatever you did to the fashion game in 2011 you've left your stink all over it the amount of times that you're gonna see me on mood boards okay so what was the go-to like we're going for a night out you know everybody's over at your house for the pre-drink you know you got the you got the music playing what is the what is the outfit what is kind of the go-to outfit that you know is gonna kind of keep your slut streak going

There was a throwback skater element. I was wearing puffy skate shoes, and then there would be a super tattered denim element, and then maybe a golf sweater. Okay. I'm horny. You're mixing the Osiris with the golf wang on top, and then kind of a destroyed denim. Vintage, or are we rocking the Truys? Definitely vintage. Okay. 100%. Or there might be a lot of mixing patterns. There might be some kind of shiny flame shirt. You had the little World Industries joint going on. Were you showing skin or were you kind of keeping it covered? There was definitely skin. Maybe there's a tank top under. I would say that my clubbing uniform has been a beater for always. Under all these mixed pattern layers, there's a beater, and at some point in the night, that's going to come out. Okay, and when you say beater, for our listeners at home who might not know what you're talking about, you're talking about a ribbed tank top partner respecter style wife beater, right? Yes, a Calvin and Klein. Oh, Calvin. Calvin and Klein. Calvin as well as Klein. A wife beater. Okay. Just so you know, I don't know if your community has adopted this yet, but our community, we don't call it a wife beater anymore. It's a partner respecter. Oh, okay. Good to know. I don't want you to misgender. No, no. Call me in. Call me in. I'm going to call you in. I'm going to call you out as well. So you're telling me that you have this look that's giving everything. You're in the club. The body's on fleek. The cum gutters are also on fleek. There's an element of a hair highlight going on. You're DJing. The crowd is pumping. Everyone's like, oh my God, this DJ, not only is he playing good music, but he's looking good. He's smelling good. And you're saying nobody was like, I'm going to have sex with that DJ tonight and did it. Okay.

When you put it like that, there is a chance. Because I've had sex with people because I'm a DJ, and I had none of that going on. Okay, because where was your hottest residency in 2011? A party called Ghetto Gothic. Okay, okay. I've never been to that. I've never been to that party. I don't think I'm welcome there, but go ahead. It took place at a really horrible bar called Gallery Bar. Oh, yeah. I've been there. Yes, I've been to Gallery Bar. Okay. It was on a Wednesday. The cover was $5. Mm-hmm. The sound system was not. Non-existent. The sound system was no. I was trying to explain to a younger clubber recently about how no one used to go out on the weekends. lame to go out on a weekend because like anything that was actually cool wouldn't be given like a weekend slot at a bar so all the good nights to go out were like sunday monday tuesday wednesday maybe thursday and then that was it the bridge and tunnel crowd you're trying to avoid exactly yeah your weekends were wide open to spend your 200 you made dj and ghetto gothic so you could kind of Hit a brunch scene, maybe. Oh, yeah. Back when brunch existed. R.I.P. Are you saying that brunch is dead? I haven't heard of, like, a brunch happening. I can't remember the last time I went out and had brunch, especially, like, with a group. I've had breakfast and I've had lunch in recent memory. Okay. Well, look, I'm just saying to you that if you go to a restaurant at 11 a.m. on a weekend and order anything that is a breakfast item. And I'm sure you're sucking down those mimosas. They're not bottomless, but you have paper. I'm guessing that that is brunch. You have eaten brunch. Maybe you're not loud and proud about it, but you have eaten it. And we all have, and it's embarrassing. But I think we can all relate on that. I don't think I would go to a restaurant on a weekend at 11 a.m. Very similar to the clubbers. Again, for similar. Bridge and tunnels. Yeah. I would go to a diner hungover at 1 p.m. after. Same.

staying out all night but okay well i wouldn't go to like a cool restaurant at 11 a.m wait in line for 58 minutes hold on hold on hold on no one's waiting and then get like creme brulee french toast no one's waiting in line for their super super bomb sticky bun but we do go i like to eat i like to eat eggs at noon on the weekends we have a little tradition we drive to the west side we kind of see where the the better people live. And it's nice, but I guess it is, I like to call it lunch because I'm embarrassed, but the reality is it's brunch. There's no avoiding it. Maybe because I'm single, that's why I'm not going to brunch. You don't bring last night's ting? To wait for 58 minutes to get creme brulee French toast? No. Chris, the bust down does not get brunch. Look, I'm down with that, I agree, but I just wanted to make sure that Daniel was also on the same page. Daniel's also, with his fitness regimen, he doesn't really have caloric real estate available for his Jack Daniel's hot honey chicken and waffle platter. That'll destroy his whole week. But also, if you're sick in the kitchen, it's nothing to kind of get a perfect soft scramble and some house-made ciabatta on the plate. Squeezing the juice. You killed it last night, Daniel. You're so good. Babe, do you want a protein shake? You barely touched your Athletic Greens smoothie, man. Is there something wrong? I know we were out late, but it's going to help. Have you ever played some legendary... clubs in the world a bergheim or something like that before uh yes i've played bergheim many times okay uh and other legendary clubs okay we've neither of us have ever been to bergheim before one i don't know if it's ever going to happen to me now i feel like i might be too old to get in unless i really came serving cunt at the door which let's face it it's probably not going to work out for me you'd have to you'd have to be on the list if we're just being um

truth squad with each other. If we're going to keep it truth squad? You're saying that you can actually be in a list and dress like me and get in? I don't believe that. I mean, if your energy and your vibe was bad enough, then it still wouldn't work. But it's like, you know, they're not out to ruin the day of the friends and family members of the DJ who might be trying to see them. Right, but if you are a glaring asshole and you are on the list and you fuck up royally, then there's a good chance that they might not let you in. Yeah, and if you're a dick to them, then, you know, they won't let you in. No, I would come in with my, you know, with my head down, you know, humble vibes, but I'm afraid that maybe my kind of simpleton style of dressing would turn them off so much that they couldn't help but refuse me. Yeah, but also your dressing is, your clothing that you wear is kind of so basic that it'll kind of skew to the opposite spectrum where like, oh my God, it's genius, whatever this person's doing. I see. So, okay, so I'm dressing so normally that it's kinky at that point, because it's not weird. They're just like, Doth Normcore? Yeah, we're normaling, and I'm fucking about to come. So how would you, you know, how would you style one of us if we were trying to get into Bergheim? You know, we don't want it to be just the standard, you know, Rick Owens uniform or something like that. In 2023, and I'm trying to get into Bergheim, it's not even here yet. What are we predicting? What's going to work to get me in there? You know, I don't live there anymore, so I'm not as... Wait, you lived in that awful city? How long? Uh, almost four years. Oh God. I hope it helped your career. No other benefits. Well, it was like, I kind of moved there accidentally cause I was there for the summer and then I started dating a girl and then, you know, cut to four years later. Was she, was she German? No, it was just from New York. So it's like, it really didn't make any sense. Okay. I don't, yeah, that's really bizarre. But what can you explain it? I guess for you, Berlin is the motherland. Like that's, you know, that's like if you.

Like, if you want to work in finance or you want to work in fashion, you come to New York. If you want to make it in the movies, you come to LA. If you want to make it behind the mixer, you have to go to Berlin. I mean, yes and no. Like, I think definitely way less so now than, you know, 10 years ago. Now New York has almost as much going on musically in dance music as Berlin does. You can go see Peggy Goo five nights a week in New York, baby. Exactly. But it's like, I mean. They definitely party for longer there, so there's more DJ slots. I understand. So from a business standpoint, they're going all night, so it's all G. Yeah, in New York, it's like one DJ and the opener. Yeah, it's like the party. Well, all the DJ sets are four hours there, so it kind of bounces out. When I started DJing in New York, it was like the parties went from midnight until 4 a.m., and you would have five DJs on the lineup, so everyone played for 45 minutes. And then I moved to Berlin and they're just like, everyone plays for at least four hours. Do you prefer that now that you've done it long enough? Because four hours, I've done a lot of four hour DJ sets, but you really got to be in the mood for it, right? If the party is good, like I'm a resident nowadays and like once a year I'll do an all night set that'll be like nine hours long. Sorry, nine hours long, bro. What the fuck? Who wants to do that? I mean, I could, I mean, I know you have no choice, but like, how are you flowing? It's like if you were DJing like a bar gig where it's like people are coming in and out and they're not really paying attention, you know, like four hours can be kind of torture. But if it's like a club and people are locked in and they're like on good drugs and they're like watching your whole, you know, not sound like an asshole, but your journey. You take them on a journey. Oh, okay. Not to sound like an asshole. Well, too late for that, Chief. Go ahead. But it's true. It is true. But like there's been times where I've like,

you know had my booking agent or whatever like request a longer set and then the party sucks and then i'm just like why the fuck am i playing for four hours i like the idea of requesting a longer set and then getting up there 20 minutes in being like uh-oh there's a long tradition of it djs there used to just be one dj for the entire night even i even i know that even i know that okay i'm not that yeah it's kind of one of the yeah you see all these djs you know From front to back, from opening to close. Anyone can get up there at peak time, play an hour of their absolute most crushing jams. Don't come for them jeans like that. He can only do a 45-minute set. You can write a song, but can you write an album? Yeah, that's true. You can write a sub stack, but... Where's the book, you know? Exactly. You know, what happens? Are we wearing a she-wee? Let's go through the peace story. But you did, your four-hour set was like at an Urban Outfitters, so it was a little easier. No, that's harder. It was at Urban Outfitters for, you know, probably an Adidas activation, you know, but the money ain't bad. See, that's harder. No shame. Because it's like, if you're at like a good club and everyone's locked in, then the time kind of just flies. Sure. You know, I have DJed many events in my life, many pop-ups, many in stores. And it's like, to me, those are the most painful because it's like, no one's listening. Like, they're either telling you to turn down the volume or turn up the volume. They don't want to hear what you're playing. They just want to hear, like, Dua Lipa. Even if you literally just played Dua Lipa, like, they still want to hear Dua Lipa. And it's just like, there's really no winning. in those situations. People are using your DJ booth as a place to put their, like, that's their, the plate that they had their slider on or their, their old drinks or napkins. Exactly. DJs love to complain. I tell you what, you guys are playing other people's music for money and you're trying to complain. It's crazy. I tell you what, I know you can take me on a journey, but come on. I'm grateful for those. Cause you know, they tend to pay really well, but I'm just saying if you're comparing the two, which one is like,

more fun and less of like a slog it's definitely going to be like I'd rather play for nine hours in a club than, like, an hour in a pop-up. That's real shit right there. Nine hours is just, nine hours, though, is just, like, I know that's on the high side of things, but even four or five hours, I mean, the amount of cocaine or Red Bull or whatever you got to do to make that fun for yourself, are you saying that music alone can keep you high for a five-hour set? No, I think that he, you know, he's a fitness guy, so he would do nine-hour sets, but he'll have the weighted vest on or something like that at home just to kind of warm up. Yeah, that's cool. the Bane mask while he's doing a nine hour DJ set at home. I could probably do nine hours with like three energy drinks and three cocktails and some water. So you're having three bang energy drinks or are you a classic Red Bull cat? Celsius, come on. I'm literally drinking a Celsius right now. Okay. I'm not Celsius mob. I've never tried one. Chris, come on. There could be a sponsor of ours, so let's speak. Speak well of them. Oh, no, I'm not mad at it. I've just never tried one. I'll have them send you a pallet. Oh, I'm sorry. Oh, so you're connected to the Celsius mob? Daniel said, we'll get a pallet over to the house. So you're sponsored by Celsius. So do you have to keep the can visible while you're DJing, or are they cool? I mean, I know we're not recording video, but I've had it in frame the entire... podcast smart smart just in case it's in it's there in spirit you're a pro i mean i absolutely love energy drinks i drink at least probably two every single day of my life do you replace your coffee with the energy drink i don't drink coffee at all i drink so you you wake up and you crack a coldie no i wake up i wake up i drink uh two cups of very strong english breakfast tea And a protein drink that has a huge scoop of matcha in it. Oh, shit. Jesus. Nothing but a common pervert. Then probably like three hours later, if I were to leave the house, that's when the energy drink would pop. If I were to leave the house. Theoretically. Okay, so your insides are rotten, chief. I got to tell you.

You're eating dog food meal plans and having three energy drinks a day, bro. This is crazy. I'm worried about you. I refuse to believe there's any connection between me being sick literally constantly and any lifestyle choices that I make. No, thank you. That's a smart way to kind of handle it, but I'm worried about you. The stuff that you've told us about that you're ingesting is really something. Yeah. Do you have Christ in your heart? Have you made peace with him? Him or her? I think as a Jew, I don't really have to do anything to be in the clear. You're already chosen. I'm just good. I'm just coasting at this point. I'm just coasting at this point. That's life. The afterlife is super vague, so we're just coasting. Okay. Do you only seek out Jewish women because of your family, or are you pretty open? I know people think that all Jewish mothers, she is so... desperate for her children to get married and have grandkids like she could not care like maybe there was some point like a decade and a half ago where she would have been like it'd be nice if you had a jewish girlfriend now she's just like poking holes in the condom she like does not care She's like, I'm open to livestock at this point. You know, these kids. So my son came out as a, yeah, he's an animal fucker. And I'm honestly, I'm fine. I'm fine with it. Your mom poking the condom. That's really funny. That's really funny. But she can't tell by your career choice that that's not in your future. I mean, I've told her. She knows, but yeah. You've told her what exactly? Go on kids. Smart. Do you have brothers and sisters, or are you the only hope? I got two brothers. Neither one are super great prospects on the kids' role. Okay. Is that because they're not quite as slick with the ladies, or is that just because they're too busy making money? No, they're both either partnered or unfianced. I just don't think either one of them has a stated desire.

to have kids or even an out. So whatever it was that your mom did to you guys, the whole family is anti-kids. And I'm sure she's replaying it, you know, frame by frame to see where she went wrong. That doesn't sound like a Jewish mother. Well, speaking of, you know, everyone getting a little bit older, do we have a retirement plan for your second act? Post-DJing, or are we going to go full DJ Harvey, 70-year-old in the booth style? Don't say crypto. Don't say crypto. I mean, early death was a big one, but... Okay. Holding out for an early death? You would rather die than not be behind the tables. You know, here's the issue. Being the DJ Harvey, he's playing... just as many gigs as he wants, and he's flying first class. He's getting his old dick sucked by whoever he wants. Sounds fun. But, you know, if I were to spend another 20 years, like, flying around the world in coach and, like, praying to get upgraded to comfort plus, like, you know, that is a little less glamorous when your, like, back hurts and your knees hurt and you're just, like, still trying to, like, sneak in with carry-on. Okay, okay. Yeah, that is one thing. It's weird because as a podcaster, whenever we travel and tour, it's sort of just like if we want to get upgraded, then we got to kind of upgrade ourselves. But back in the day when the promoter would book the flights, it was always just like the only priority is whatever the cheapest one is. And that's just what it was. But back then, I was still like, man, pinch me, I am dreaming. Some fucking guy paid for my airplane ticket. This is so crazy. Well, he, I mean, Jason, they've heard the Throw Some D's remix. They know. I mean, it was, they were, they had heard some of your hits and knew it was worth every penny to fly you to Oklahoma City for that Thursday night. I mean, I still think it's insane that someone is like, you know, paying me to go fly somewhere around the world to DJ. But it is just like, you know.

12 years in, you don't necessarily have that wonderment. The bloom is off the rose a little bit. And I have my Delta status. There are certain things that come with age. Hey, big dog. Hey, big dog. Don't start talking about Delta unless you want to share your status. We're gold. What? We're so close to platinum, but we're not going to get there. Platinum? Okay. Let's go back to the kids' table. Let's go back to the kids' table, Chief. Well, you're talking to Diamond Medallion on this side. You know what I'm saying? So I just want you to kind of put some respect on my name. Well, I'm not there. We've got to try harder because you've probably been taking some Budget United flights. So you've been JetBlue Mint because you thought that was cute. But you've got to stick with Delta. You know, I try. And someone was like, why don't you just fly somewhere to get the last flight in? And I'm just like, the last thing I want to do is fly anywhere. We call that in the business, we call that a points run. I actually might have to do a points run because I'm so close to hitting that diamond, and I need like a $1,500 flight ticket before the end of the year, and then I'm diamond status. I would accept a flight gift from you, Jason, if that's something that you need to do. Same. Yeah, maybe you surprise me and Daniel with a trip somewhere that we don't know the destination and you just book the tickets. Oh, interesting. Yeah, just a fellas weekend in Lake Havasu where maybe we can hit. Maybe it was a nice thank you for appearing on your podcast that you make money from. You could shoot a $1,[redacted address]. We'll think about it. I mean, for me, travel and work are so tied together in my brain now. It's hard for me to even think of just what a straight-up vacation would be like. When you're a DJ, every day is vacation. Great point. I mean, also true. Great point. So what's on the horizon as we're closing up here, Daniel? Anything, any exciting news, any plugs, any stuff like that you want to get into? God, I wish I had something to plug. Definitely check out my SoundCloud.

Okay. We could do that. We'll check out the SoundCloud. We'll check out physical therapy on the SoundCloud application, and we'll check you out at one of your little late-night soirees. I'm sure we can follow you on Instagram to find out when you're behind the decks. When is this episode coming out? Tomorrow. Tomorrow. Okay. This Friday, come to Nowadays for my residency night. Oh, that could be your flight. Hop on over to New York. Yeah, what kind of music? I don't really go out, and I don't really like the kind of music you play, I'm guessing, but what do you play? Chris goes to see the 1975, and that's about it. Are you doing open format, or are we kind of focused on a certain genre of electronic music? It's not open format in the traditional sense of, you know, blending the Supremes into an 8-track remix of the A.A.S. or whatever, but... Don't come for Jason. I'm not saying that's a negative. I'm just saying, you know, that's not what we're doing. So you're dancing between some DJ Python type shit into some drum and bass jungleism shit into some happy hardcore and et cetera. So you're at a level that I unfortunately cannot comprehend. So I do think it's quite cool, but my brain doesn't really understand it. which maybe is what I need to do is come check you out and expand my horizons. It could be a great learning experience. Yeah, you guys can plus five, whatever you need. Oh, you'll put us on the list? That's nice of you. Okay, well, that's sweet. But, you know, if your vibe is off, they won't let you in. Okay. Do you got any drink tickets for Jason or anything? Yeah, we could definitely get you a drink ticket. Okay. All right. Physical therapy. Thank you for joining us. Daniel, it was a pleasure. Thank you for having me. Chris's vibe has never been on, by the way, so that will be an issue. Never. My swag is on. Vibe is off. We'll talk to you soon. We'll see you on Friday and nowadays when I'm raving and not behaving. Thank you for joining us on How Long Gone. Wagwan, Daniel. Thank you. Bye.

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