536. - Andrew Wyatt

All right, this episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by Stateside with Kai and Carter, a new podcast from The Guardian. And they are using this podcast to slow down the news and wrestle with the questions that we all have about what's happening in the world. And they do it three times a week, Jason. Does that sound familiar to you? We don't really talk about, you know, a lot of international global news items and climates and cultures and sports and things like that. We do talk about fashion and wellness, but for everything else, Kai and Carter are a great place. All right, so who couldn't use more news? Listen wherever you get your podcast. or watch on youtube how long gone uh coming to you live from the bat cave here in west hollywood um i'm My entire body is covered in Erewhon cactus plant flea market. I'm drinking my water. I just did a great workout with Roy over at his studio in West Hollywood. I'm feeling good. How are you, Jason? I'm about to pour a nice Element electrolyte drink mix into my water. I'm drinking my water. It has 1,000 milligrams of sodium. Let's go. Normally, that's a bad thing. Not today. Not today. how you feel um just because of of last night we had a big night out and i i couldn't tell how much you were consuming but then during maybe the 35th minute of the 50 cent performance at the crypto.com arena i did see you pulling um from a bottle of glenn levitt um so i i just i need to check on your kind of well-being desperate times you know yeah it wasn't really that twisted but i i had like a I had like a 23% hangover this morning. It wasn't that bad. Okay, not bad. Had a walk. I just finished a sauna, which is why I'm replenishing my minerals. Okay, we're back. I was reading in the sauna. Okay, okay. I feel good. Getting your mind right. But, yeah, we had kind of a big night, a big fellas night out last night.

We went to the Palm downtown for dinner with friends of the show, Uncle Pauly and Al Wilmot. And then we were able to stroll over for the Crypto.com Arena for Jeremiah, Buster Rhymes, 50 Cent featuring guests. And thank you to Ari and our Live Nation family for setting us up in the box. It made it a little bit of a nicer experience. I can't be with the riffraff, especially at a dusty-ass hip-hop show. You know what I mean? Well, I think that was the reason why I may have taken a poll from the Glenn Leavitt that was so secure. Sometimes the VIP can be overrun with booth bunnies. you know a bunch of hood rat chicks with alexander wang uh cut off shorts may uh yeah i'll stay i'll say my abuser's name i mean we'll come in and they'll drink all the shit you know and then go leave and move on to the next lounge taking advantage of all these a&r people And we had to take measures into our own hands, get a little ball. Yeah, the vibe. Keep it under the seat. The vibe at a 50 cent show in 2023 is definitely like guys. Exactly what you think it's going to be. Well, it's that, but it's also like a certain level of music industry guy who really, really, really. wishes he was invited to the Roc Nation brunch, but he hasn't really made the cut yet. It goes to a lot of day parties, though. Yeah, big day party, but they're making money. They got a nice job at Warner Brothers and A&R. You know what I mean? They've signed a few things. Nothing's hit yet, but the next one. You know what I mean? The next one. But the biggest takeaway from the night for me was how good 50 Cent was. I couldn't have been more impressed. And maybe it was because Busta Rhymes was 21 Savage level of bad. But 50 came out and just rocked us. I think you would agree. I would, yeah. I feel bad for Busta because he was doing a lot of misplaced energy. It was a lot of anger. He just kept screaming. It was like I was watching professional wrestling. It was like...

a big giant buff guy wearing a very funny you know like fake gucci like louis it was louis it was fake louis a fake louis like two-piece romper set that like somebody made you know and it's him and spliff star and you know spliff star kind of looks like ashy larry at this point and you know everyone's in their you know 50 something years old 50s 50. And he's just screaming in a crowd of cheering, adoring fans, you motherfuckers. He kept saying motherfucker. You stupid, dumb motherfuckers stink. I'm fucking with you. And he said motherfucker. Everyone's like, I'm trying to have a good time, guys. He said motherfucker so many times, I thought there was a glitch. I literally thought he was kind of glitching out. But no, Busta Rhymes and Spliffstar left a lot on the table. So I think when 50 came out. 50 came out. He was so good. He was so professional. The energy was so high. He looks good. He matched the fit. Smile on the face. Nobody's screaming at the audience and calling him a motherfucker. He's just a charismatic, charming, good-looking buff guy. Still looks amazing for his age. And he's just walking around. He's doing outfit changes. He came out, kind of G'd out a little bit. black t-shirt and chains kind of minimal vibe he went back there was a choreographed number where his his little his like dance squad comes out and does some dancing and then he emerges in like a full baby blue like g-unit like velour jumpsuit and like a cute hat on like he was he just he did he did it all now he brought out some guests um which which we saw Hey, Buster Rhymes brought out Bia. Don't forget. That's of course. That's right. I apologize for that. 50 Cent brought out Nas, who I've made fun of several times. He did do his two best songs, which I feel like was kind of a win for him. And then YG came out wearing one of the craziest outfits I've ever seen in my life.

um yg you gotta fire the stylist just start wearing clothes that you buy yourself like dude you're like yg you were extremely good looking and like tall like good shape he was wearing some sort of like frankenstein montclair vest and then some like very flowing almost 70s style leather pants but they were baggy it was a very it was a baggy leather pant that almost kind of felt like you know when When like a cowboy is wearing the leather chaps over the jeans properly. And they just, instead of walking normally, they kind of waddle around. He was doing that on stage, you know, like screaming songs about getting pussy and stuff like that. And he's waddling these leather trousers. They must wear 35, you know, some shit that Jacob Gallagher wouldn't even wear. It was so fucked up. And then, yeah, like a bloods gang. catchers yeah it felt like a catcher's it felt like a catcher's chest protector but it was chest protector that was collab with montclair but it would it also appears to be sort of like handmade by like you know an fit student Or something like that. Yeah, it was giving student project reworked vintage kind of vibes, but it was Montclair puffy. His dick got sucked many times last night, so he's having the last laugh, but still. Yeah, we're wrong again. But so we made it for about an hour of 50. He killed, and then we were like, we got to head out. It's getting late. We're all tired. We're all too old to be here. And we missed Jason's kind of hero. Chris Brown, a.k.a. Breezy, and DaBaby as well. So we missed the disgraced section of the guests, which is kind of off-brand for us. I feel like we should have made it. All right, I'll make some noise. Kevin Spacey, ladies and gentlemen. I'm bringing it out. All right, you know what I'm saying? We got the live feed. Ghislaine, say what's up to the crowd. But Ghislaine, zooming in. We missed that. He obviously doesn't bring out the game, who's what everybody wanted to see because they have beef. And mercifully for us, he didn't bring out the king of dust, Detroit's own Eminem. But again, I was really impressed with the whole thing. It was awesome. I had a great time. Yeah, I agree. I agree. 50 notes ought to put on a show.

And even it was like it felt the vibe, which is rare to see nowadays when you go to a show and like young people, Gen Z, that type of shit. They're at a hip hop show. And unless there's like one, two, three jump, like mosh part at a song, the crowd just kind of stands there like filming or doing nothing. And it was good to see like an old dude command the stage, have the showdown, the charisma. Even if they didn't know the songs, everyone was up on their seat, jumping, bouncing. He tells you to bounce. You say, how high, 50? You say, yes, sir. I guess I should break down what happened to me this morning. About 9.30 a.m., I'm getting ready to go see Roy. I'm putting on my workout clothes. I look out the window, and I see a black G-Wagon idling outside my house. I go get my... Glock, of course, because I think I'm about to get got. And then I realized that it's a friendly gentleman wearing some nice Jacques-Marie Maje sunglasses. He said, Chris, I come in peace. Beautiful head of hair, and he comes in peace, and his offering to me is two Cactus Plant Fleet Market Erewhon smoothies with straws and two bags of the merch in my size. So I have... Eight pieces of merch. I have two smoothies. And this was Alec, I believe is his name, who is the son. He's like the heir to the Erewhon dynasty. And he was like... I'm actually studying the Erewhon dynasty. It was right after the Ming dynasty, 1400s. It's an important time in history. So was this the same kid that dropped the stuff off in my house? Was he wearing a Homer chain or no? I didn't see a Homer chain because I would have made fun of that. But he could have tucked the chain to approach me. You know what I mean? You don't really, you don't really, you don't kind of, but so he was very nice and I was very, I mean, it's really honestly like the expert level of troll to hand deliver this stuff to my house is something that I absolutely have to give it up for. It's class act. It's a plus. We love Erewhon. I go every day. You know what I mean? That's not an exaggeration.

But I won't be trying the smoothie. They're in the fridge. If you want me to drop them off to you later, Jason, let me know. I have lunch plans. Yeah, bring them by. Please drive 37 minutes over to my house to bring me two smoothies. I would love that. That's a really dope offering. Thank you so much. So are you going to rock the banana print shorts? Are you going to rock the nut shirt? That feels like the most on brand for you. I do like the banana penis shorts. I also have banana penis sweat. pants so there's two different options the sweatpants seem to be have like a hemmed bottom not an elastic cinch yes so they're not going to be long enough for me I might have to give those to a shorter friend or family member. So sit tight on that, but... Family member. I'm sure Chris is excited. I mean, who knows? My brother and I will wear some fucked up shit. No, that's part of the Stuart DNA. It's what we love about you guys. Make it work. But yeah, I also got a couple bags as well. It was very sweet. of uh this person to come do that so yeah thanks for sorting this out we'll continue to um support and make fun of your beautiful grocery store every day it's it's nothing there's been a lot of drama this morning um we don't really have time to get into it we'll get into it on sunday but you know tremaine is posting text between him and james jebby of supreme there's a can't there's a arthur the artist arthur jaffa collaboration got canceled you know it's this he's he's saying that Supreme is racist. He's posting text messages going tremendous mode. And I don't, you know, I obviously don't know the ins and outs of it, but I do think that like the kind of Supreme has always been behind kind of an iron gate and this kind of stuff would never happen. You know what I mean? There's never been James, James barely does press. You know, it's, it's a very, it's a very buttoned up operation. That's how they have moved forward. And so this feels like a big shift kind of,

in what can happen and the fact that maybe we're all too online. I think maybe everyone, and obviously including myself, is too online, but we can unpack it more on Sunday because there's going to be more that comes out, I'm sure, as the week goes on, but it's pretty interesting. Yeah, more Supreme tea is spilling. I think my biggest takeaway is we're all learning that not every brand needs a face. Yes. Not every brand needs a human face to do human things. No, no, absolutely not. All right, so we do have a guest today, kind of one of the goats behind the scenes, Andrew Wyatt. You probably know his band, Mike Snow, Legends. They put out a great record in 2009, but he is one of the most in-demand songwriters and producers. He works with friend of the show, superstar DJ Mark Ronson a lot. They did get a Grammy for the... for the uh shallow yeah from the classic star is born but he's written with everyone from lord and bruno mars lady gaga and even liam gallagher which i can't wait to ask about yeah he did like liam's like the last two liam like solo albums and it's cool because in london liam gallagher releases an album that we've never listened to and it's number one oh huge huge huge all over the world except here honestly yeah all over and he um Yeah, and he's basically responsible, him and Mark are responsible for the Barbie soundtrack, which is now, you know, making as much money as the fucking movie, it seems like. I know, for sure, for sure. I know. The rare time, it feels like the 90s, when a movie soundtrack could really, like, shift units, as they say. Yeah, I was just reading an article about it today, how, you know, even Matchbox 20, their streams are going crazy, and, like, the Dua Lipa song that... came out whatever and in may like i just it's just it's on its like third wave and now it's like bigger than it was before it's it's got legs as they say it's got legs all right let's give let's give andrew's the doctor he's like if rick rubin did something we're gonna give him a call and get into it let's give him a call andrew are you with us all right this episode of how long gone is brought to you by quince

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I actually got recommended it by our friend Jake Davis. Oh, cool. That makes sense. I thought you were going to say I was doing some spring cleaning and throwing out some phrases I never use anymore. But I came across Buck Wild. I mean, I haven't heard that since 2004. That's good. I also prefer a Buck Nasty sometimes. Not everyone can handle that. Buck Cherry? Buck Cherry? I haven't heard Buck Wild in a while. In a hot minute. It is. It is extremely descriptive, and I do think it does a job that maybe another word couldn't do. Andrew, I was actually in the very first music video I ever did as an extra, featured extra, was a Buck Cherry video. Do you have any history with those guys? No way. That's right. Do you have any history with those guys? What's their song, Hey, You're Like a Freaky Bitch or whatever the song is? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It has bitch in the title for sure. Yeah, yeah. It's actually incredible. No, it's just called Crazy Bitch. Crazy. That's so sick. But their very first single was called Lit Up. I'm all lit up again. Oh, yeah. There you go. But the video I was in is called Check Your Head if you want to see 17-year-old me. Great. It came out four months after the Beastie Boys album. Yeah. We were super inspired. I mean, these guys are great. These guys are great. Yeah. I mean, I didn't. The era of a band like. Because Buck Cherry was successful. They were pretty popular. Oh, yeah. This was MTV videos. Crazy Bitch actually really holds up. I kind of believe you. I need to listen to it. I mean, I feel like it's just like it's got a hit chorus. How could you miss? I mean, some of the lyrics in that song, if I do recall, are quite, quite memorable. You're telling me the lyrics from the song Crazy Bitch are crazy? Yeah. Yeah, I mean. It does. I'm looking at them now, and it is sexually explicit, almost in a Lil Wayne style, which we don't usually get from a 2005 rock release. But there is a lot of stuff about his back getting scratched during intercourse, which seems like a really specific detail. No, no. I remember now my favorite line in that song is, scream so loud, getting fucking laid.

Yes, yes, yes. So it's almost like poetic prose or a haiku structure. Yeah, it's really like the EpiPen of lyrics. Yes, yes. It brings you back to life. Wow. Okay, Andrew. That's good. Yeah. That's good. I love the lyrics. The way you look at music, man, it's crazy. You said earlier, now you've listened to this podcast before. Yes. A lot of friends of mine have been on this cast. Okay, so you see somebody you know and you want to check it out. Yeah. Okay, that's it. I mean, and I listen to Mac DeMarco's too, because I like his music and I think he's... What a guy. What a guy. He's a sweetheart. I think Mac DeMarco is really approaching it in a different way than any other person on earth. He sounded very, to me, like, he sounded way more composed and like... affable, like he actually hosts a podcast. Yes, yes. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. Which is cool. I like that. It's nice to see somebody kind of pulling a little weight as a guest. Yeah. Much like how you are so far, I will say. Yeah, so far. We're only 10, 15 in, but still. Edmonton needs that. I'm starting to feel pretty good. Yeah, yeah. Edmonton does need that. They do need it. They need all the help they can get. Edmonton needs it. They really do, yeah. Did you ever live in L.A. or have you lived in New York? I know you were born in New York. I lived in L.A. for seven years, and then during the pandemic, oh, this actually will dovetail nicely into my next segment that I had planned. Great, great, great. After having listened to it. Okay, great. Hey, I'm just trying to live up to Mac's podcast.

No, I lived in L.A. for seven years. During the pandemic, my long-term partner and I split up as a lot of partners. Yeah, it was either marriage or I'll never see you again. That was the vibe. Yeah, you either had kids or you cut them out of your life entirely. Who amongst us didn't have an ultimatum in there during their COVID relationship, right? And so it took me like six months walking around that house, haunted by that experience and the whole COVID thing. And I had COVID in that house and I just kind of looked around one day and I was like, you know what? It's not that I don't like LA. It's just, I definitely needed a change. And it was kind of like, why did it take so long for me to remember that I should just change venues and that'll probably help me feel somewhat better, you know, about life. So I came to New York. And it really did work. And I got lucky and I got I got a little, you know, house on this street that almost looks like it's in England or something. It's like a Mew Street, like near Washington Square Park. Oh, I know exactly. I know exactly what you're talking about. Yeah, that's very that's very desired real estate. It's coveted. It's coveted real estate. Yeah, it's really coveted real estate. But I but so I somehow lucked out into like a covid deal for that. And then I'm still there. I'm still here. I'm actually talking to you from there now. And then I was in London a lot doing Liam Gallagher's record and then kind of reset in that way, kind of reset. And then since then, nothing's really pulled me back to L.A., especially then another project popped up, which I think I heard you guys talking about when I... logged on which was the barbie thing and greta and noah are in new york so you know helping them with that so you had to take the uber black out to brooklyn heights get to the brownstone talk to those guys get stuff in order you know what that's the

brand for sure but they don't live in brooklyn heights i know i know they don't and it's fucked up yeah it's almost it feels like a lie yeah they don't live you should live no more than 100 meters from saint anne's in brooklyn heights exactly yeah we're all we're all very pissed off by yeah the fact that they don't live we're all still really pissed off about that exactly i'm furious They both represent such a New York archetype. I mean, him especially, I think just because of his career, has been longer, so we're more familiar with it. But that kind of Jewish... It's so good, and the style, everything that he's done. I'm a big fan, but to not live in Brooklyn, it feels like a lie. It's just wrong. I'm glad they live in men. Have you ever lived in Brooklyn? I have. I've lived in Williamsburg in the ye olde days. During the heyday of Williamsburg? The heyday, yeah, exactly. You were an early settler? I was an early settler, yeah. I moved out there in the late 90s, actually. Oh, wow. That was the time when it was at its absolute coolest. Man, there was nobody out there. A lot of my neighbors were actually Italians that still spoke Italian. in the house and like polish families and and there was one restaurant out there uh called planet tie which you guys probably remember if you were ever new yorkers or whatever you know so good planet tie i like that you're talking about williamsburg and you're like there was one restaurant there was literally one restaurant and there was planet tie And then there was Bomonties, and Bomonties, which is still there, you just didn't go into because it was a gangster spot, and they just looked at you funny if you were, like, wearing flannel and, like... used shoes, which is what we all were wearing. Sure, sure, sure. The used footwear, that was a red flag for those guys. What the fuck are you doing, Counting Crows? Get the fuck out of here. Exactly. Counting Crows. Okay, so in that era of Williamsburg, what were you doing? Was your studio there? I did. I had a studio and a drafty.

loft building that i'm not even kidding like where you had to have the space heater underneath the desk where you were working between your legs like hugging the like one of those like liquid space heaters that looks like an actual radiator of old yes and you just you straddle that to stay warm enough to be able to work during the winter because there were like holes in the glass and it was like But the windows were like 12 feet tall, and I didn't know where to get a ladder. Sure, of course. I wasn't that resourceful. So you moved out to Williamsburg, you said in – You moved out in 1899 or 1999 here, Andrew? 1899. Part of the appeal of the studio was it did have great horse and carriage parking right out front, so I could kind of pull up, hop out. It was incredible. They would water your horse for you. That's the best. I mean, it's a lovely pre-war building. Yeah, pre-pre-pre-war. Pre-Civil War. Exactly, exactly. It was pre-Crimean War. What kind of stuff were you doing at that time? Like, what were you... Monus Mouse covers? No, I was actually... I had a band with... Do you know this singer that goes by Jonas, Policewoman? Yeah, of course. So I was in... She had a band. She's a Jonas sister. I was a Jonas sister. I was... in in sync um originally no okay i was i was i sorry your joke was funnier and i tried to go that same direction and it's just like it doesn't count as comedy um so anyway i i um i was in this band called black beetle which was which was the guys from jeff buckley's band after jeff died wow and jeff's girlfriend a band and i had played with those guys wait wait wait wait wait i had no idea that joan dated jeff buckley i didn't i didn't realize yeah okay wow that's crazy she was in a she was in a band called the damn builders i don't know if you remember that and then no and then and then she was a good band that's like in that kind of like almost seba dough kind of uh um guided by voices kind of era and she um

She was with Jeff and then Jeff passed away tragically. And the members of Jeff's band and Joan formed this new band called Black Beetle. And I joined that band and I became the keyboard player because I just come back to New York from a like nine year hiatus that I took for music when I was in my 20s. Yes, this is pre-war. Hold on. What did you do? Because you're clearly called to make music. So for those nine years, what were you doing? I was recovering from a tragic misdiagnosis of schizophrenia when I was 21 years old. Whoa. I had to like I was in New York making music and I was making music with the people that would go on to be in Jeff Buckley's band. Yes. And then I got very ill and I had to go away for a very long time to kind of figure out my shit, you know. And fortunately, I was able to and I didn't turn out to be actually schizophrenic. I was misdiagnosed schizophrenic, but it took me like seven years to work through that. And then I did two years. in college, which I'd never done the first time. You're like, you know, I'm really good. I'm 84 years old. I'm doing pretty well. I was like, yeah, after a schizophrenia misdiagnosis, I don't think my head goes to college personally. But yeah, I don't know how you know. It was it was five years of kind of really slogging it through. And then, you know, I studied classical music for two years because I was like I did. I didn't want to go. back to classic schizophrenic major yeah truly exactly um and and then i came back and and i knew those guys that there was actually the only guys i knew in music when i got back so i joined their band which was black beetle so that's what i was doing when i was like living in williams it was like working on their stuff and then uh it was a few years after that that i kind of like met the guys

that I'm kind of still work with who do pop music and when I did Mike snow with and all that. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I, I think I always, I always find it very interesting when someone like you, cause Mike snow was like a big thing. Obviously we're like the perfect age for that. You know, uh, Jason, Jason, Jason, we lived through that. A lot of Mike snow remixes on my old laptop, brother. Yeah. Oh yeah. There you go. Did you make a Mike snow remix Jason or are you left that one alone? No, no, no. I didn't. I didn't. I played it. I didn't. I didn't download the stems. You just had the stems. Yeah, give me some stems when we're done here, though, please. Thanks. We need all the stems. I will. Just all the Barbie stems. I need some Dua Lipa clean and wet vocals, please. No, but with guys like you, I always find it so interesting understanding the origin and where it starts and then becoming kind of the go-to guy for these big pop songs. Yeah. I feel like that just happens naturally. And if you got it, you got it. And there's no other way to really do it. Is that fair? You know what I mean? Like many, a mystery in this old world, this crazy old world, it could be, it's like one, one pot, one answer is yeah. It's like, cause stuff pans out or it doesn't, you know, over time. And I feel like maybe as I said, you know, or as you said, like, I just kind of felt I always. um knew this is what i was more or less made to do so i i kind of maybe go into all those situations feeling like i i don't have to like pretend to have something to offer or something i can just do what i do and and people can take parts of that and which is what ends up always happening when you're doing collaborations with big artists is it's not like i and i don't think i I mean, nothing I've ever done where I've like said, OK, I'm just going to write this whole song for you and produce it up and you're going to get on it. That's never worked for me in that way. I try to I feel like everything that I've done is that's been good. I mean, when I say worked, I mean, had an impact. So all the stuff I've done that has had an impact has been like I bring a piece of what I do in and I let.

whatever forces are taking place, mold and shape that and turn it into whatever it's going to be. Do you specialize? Are you like the synth daddy? You know what I mean? Is there something that you're the go-to? Yeah, to some extent. Yeah, I mean, melodies are big. Are you the synth daddy is what we asked you. Answer the question. Stop sidestepping this, dude. Answer the fucking question, Andrew. I don't know. He was on, but he was really evasive about the synth daddy thing. Yeah, we got John Carroll Kirby to admit it. Yeah, I saw that he was on here. I saw that he was on here. He's definitely a synth daddy. Yes, yes. And I guess I am too, although I wouldn't hire me to play live at the Super Bowl. I would hire John Carroll Kirby. I see what you're saying. I am going to get distracted at some point and make a clam. And a clam means I'm going to hit. a wrong note you know so i'm not at that level i've never heard that term before this is some good inside stuff for me when i'm talking to my music friends because i like to sound educated yeah a clam is a mishit on a keyboard or piano yeah and it's it's a funny way of i like it and then when somebody hits a clam like all the other musicians on stage will look over at the clams clam layer With a bit of a scowl? Exactly. Andrew, you're the kind of guy who's going to... He who shucked the clam. Who is shucketh on my stage? But then you're playing... Who shucked this clam? You're playing your keyboards or your synths or your pianos in the studio all the time. Yeah. You'll hit a clam note. You say, no problem. I'll just drag that MIDI note back and post, right? Yes. Or you just... Or, yeah. I mean, the computers are definitely good at that. get four or five takes. That's kind of more what I like to do. From the top, back to one. Take it from the top, guys. Andrew fucked it up again. Bring it back. He's having a bad day. Let's just punch in. He doesn't know the difference between an A minor and a B flat major. It turns out the whole thing is a charade. But I do get it done eventually. I think there's other people who are way smoother on the first go.

But in a certain way, I do know a lot about synthesizers. Sure, because that's something that you just like. But you're saying this melody thing is also something that we're coming to you for. Yeah, I think so. Or just a starting point, too. Just something that you hear it, and in five seconds, you know you can build a song around it. I see. Well, that's what's always fascinating to me about these. I mean, obviously, some of these people you work with, you've had relationships for a long time, but there was always a first point, you know, where you go into the studio with someone who oftentimes is very, very famous, which comes with a lot of baggage of kind of often some, maybe not imposter syndrome, but there's a lot of... self-doubt i think no matter how big you are yeah um and i feel like you have to be a little bit of a counselor as well as a musician is that honestly it's part of the it's it's every job i guess is part psychiatrist right totally my ups driver gets an earful every day exactly This episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by a new podcast from The Guardian stateside with Kai and Carter. This is covering a lot of our bases, Jason. It's trying to slow down. The news and wrestle with the questions we all have about what's happening in the world. And I know you particularly have quite a lot of questions. A lot of questions. But how often? Because we do this podcast three times a week and that's a sweet spot. How many times do they do? Three times a week. And I have a feeling just based on the platform and these talking points that they're maybe going to be covering different stuff than we do. That's just a guess. The Guardian is not some billionaire owned. They're not afraid to say what they want to say, brother. Yeah, Rupert ain't sniffing around in what journalists Kai Wright and Carter Sherman are up to over there at Stateside. But yeah, listen wherever you get your podcasts. You can watch it on YouTube. It's three times a week. And who couldn't use more news? Especially when it's not from here, let's say. Give it a listen. Give it a listen.

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aesthetically or in terms of your in terms of what you like philosophically that you can actually bind your philosophies together and create something together you know I mean and that's always what I try to do so with Liam it's very much he knows exactly what he likes you know he doesn't have any Um, you know, it's, it's, he makes no bones about it. Exactly. And, and he's, you know, and I, and I know the references and I, and I know what he loves. And so you've heard of the Beatles. That's good. Cause when you get in there with Liam, it's important to kind of know the Beatles stuff. It's important to have known about the Beatles. Yeah. But, but beyond that also just kind of like where they are coming from in their scene in Manchester, like, and the North, I know about the laws and. you know, I know about factory records and all the stuff that was like popping when they started up. And I think that's also very important to know what they would have been listening to when they came up as well, you know? And I think that stuff does bond you, but there are many ways in to, you know, some artists. Some artists you might not have that much in common with in terms of, like, your backgrounds, but you mathematically line up. So, like, you have the same appreciation of math, in a sense, as it exists inside of music. I see what you're saying. But with someone, yeah, I mean, with someone like Liam or even someone, I mean, Liam comes to mind, obviously, because we're huge fans, but also I feel like he's had such a long career. Yeah. And it's like. been a pretty clear vision the whole time. Like they've never really deviated from kind of the bones. Exactly. But is that like more challenging for you or is that easier because there's a blueprint? Do you understand what I'm saying? Yeah, of course. Someone's so set in their ways, you know? Yeah, but I think what you want to do is make something that obviously acknowledges the fact that it's this year, not that you're, you know, either you go,

One hundred percent. And I've tried to make records like this with Liam and with other legacy people who are just legends, you know, and I've tried to make records that sound exactly like they were made in their heyday. They never go for it because every artist wants to like justify being able to put out records now. And it's sort of like when I hear some artists, I'm like, I kind of want them to sound like. Like it would be cool if Paul McCartney recorded an album on a four track tape machine and used all the same techniques that they made with the Beatles. But I don't think he's interested in doing that because he did that. And you kind of always forget that. It's like, yeah, these guys. Yeah, exactly. You know, why? For him, it's like, why would I do that? I did that. Not only did I do it, but I did it as. good as you can possibly do it like i'm the master i'm the master literally the world the guy that master yeah yeah so i'm the guy that defined that shit you know so no that's i i yeah that that makes sense i think that like but it is like modernizing someone that that it has such a defined kind of style um is is that seems very challenging it's a challenge because yeah sometimes it's they they yeah because they they sometimes won't want to step that far out of the box you know so you can do there's there's certain things really oh it'd be nice if we tried that or tried this and they just aren't going to go for it because it's just a little too far from what they're comfortable with that's the that's the other that's the other thing just watching you know just like being around music for most of my life and like you know watching a lot of documentaries and blah blah blah you you know it's like The studio is meant to be for experimentation to an extent, you know what I mean? And I think, but there's still, no matter how closed it is, no matter how many people are in the room, I'm sure there's still a fear associated with stepping outside the box, no matter what Andrew's telling you to do. It's like, that's why, like, when we think, what do we think about, like, late career artists that are, like, created classic albums? We think about, we think about the Johnny Cash record, right, that Rick did, which is like,

But that was, in a sense, really genius and obviously acknowledged as being genius because it was like, what is a way to make this modern but in a way that a 67- or 8-year-old guy is going to feel comfortable with? Just take everything away except the acoustic guitar and then do some songs that come from that tradition but are... um, modern songs like the Bonnie Prince, Billy songs and stuff like that. So it's, it's, that's what kind of like taking shit back to, or like, you know, the big, the biggest moment Paul McCartney's had in his late career is the four or five seconds, right? Which is, if you think it's just acoustic guitar and vocals, right? Now you're really talking my language. That song is so fucking good and so deeply underrated. and yeah it's like the i don't even i'm not even like a nerd like i don't understand this shit but the who who carries that song rihanna's vocal like rihanna's vocal crack being left in and the whole thing it's just it's perfect and i don't it seemed to get just completely kind of like well also you know when when somebody when when a predominant like when someone like rihanna is paired with an acoustic guitar people are like why is this country what the fuck is this and they don't listen to it. It's just a guitar. That song felt like a song for an old Navy commercial. That's why I don't think it was ever treated like a real artistic creation. It's because the video looked like a Gap ad. It was black and white and they were wearing denim. To be fair, it's hard to... you get those situations where it's just like, yeah, okay, everybody's super famous, but beyond that, what do you have really in common? You know, it's like... Yeah, we got each of these guys for five minutes, so let's just get this video done. You guys put on these jean jackets. Let's run this shit. We're famous and we're rich. Yeah, like, we ain't got too much time for you. But that's a good example, though. You're right. That song is like... I think a lot of people... I've talked to people about it a lot over the years, and most people talk about it the way I do and, like, love it.

but it just commercially, with those three names, you know, you would expect it. It's amazing that you've talked about that song a lot over the years. Dude, oh, I know. I really have. Chris, he really has. You know, because I just, sometimes something like that just hits me, and I'm like, how is this not bigger? Like, how on earth do people not hear what I hear? Well, it is pretty big. It's pretty big. It's like the biggest song. It's pretty big. I don't know if you look at Spotify numbers, bro, but it's pretty big. It's pretty big. I don't know. I mean, I think it is like. uh it's close to a billion stream so it's it's a proper big but i think yes i i think technically it is but culturally it wasn't that's you know how many songs you know how many chain smoker songs have two three billion plays i know yeah it doesn't we yeah i mean suck it paul mccartney whoever the hell you are yeah what's paul mccartney really done you know what i mean but that's like no you're right though the modernizing thing is tough and i imagine it i imagine it to be also just being able to do both i guess because how often nowadays are you going in with like somebody brand new you know not really not much yeah you're not yeah I mean it's true and like a lot of people that I've been working with for that feel unfortunately to for me new to me I've been working with for like 10 years like Dua Lipa or whatever you know eight years sure sure yeah yeah yeah and to me it's she's a newfangled artist but I've never been more I think in the last five years I've never been more kind of topsy-turvy than I am now with, like, you know, the way music's consumed and finding out about, you know, I don't know. It's a totally new world. Yeah, of course. No, no, yeah, it is. Topsy-turvy is a good Paul McCartney-esque phrase. I really wanted you to say it in a Paul McCartney. You were no topsy-turvy. Yeah. Speaking of Dua, the Dua song on the Barbie soundtrack. I was listening to it yesterday in the car, just zipping around the valley. You know how I do. Yeah. And I noticed the title of the song. Were you on your way to like a CBD store? Yes. Yeah, you probably was. You cranked it up. You're on your way to a dispensary. I was getting some activated charcoal soft serve, actually. Something much less glamorous. I was taking our rugs in to be professionally cleaned. Okay.

Hold for applause. But the song that, the Dua Lipa song for Barbie is called Dance the Night. Yes. And I want to know, I need an explanation on that title. Because there's a billion songs called Dance the Night, maybe Away. Yeah. But Dance the Night, is it kind of like a... Hey, don't call it the Facebook. Just call it Facebook. It's cleaner though. Was it that kind of thing? Or is there no story behind the title whatsoever? Honestly, it was Dua. I mean, because once that was the lyric for the chorus, there was a little bit. Honestly, I'm not going to, you know, I was like, wow, there's probably a lot of Dance the Night Aways. And she just like immediately said, immediately said, well, it's just Dance the Night. And I was like, oh, she actually got a ring to it, and I've never heard it before. Yeah, that's a good point. Proving why she makes the big bucks. I would never say no to Dua, but something of, I have like, I don't know, it's not a pet peeve, but it's like a lyrical tick, and I always wonder, I'm not disturbed or upset by it, but I wonder like, Dance the Night. doesn't necessarily grammatically make sense. I know there's an Albanian translation going on and all that, but it doesn't really make sense. I mean, it doesn't, but it doesn't really need to make sense. Does four or five seconds make sense? No, it's nothing. It doesn't make sense. Four or five seconds. It doesn't really make sense unless you know what's in the context of that sentence. Of the song. There's so many, you know. But when writing lyrics specifically, is it like, I feel like with a lot of the stuff, especially with popular, popular music, it's about how it feels versus grammatical correctness, even storytelling to an extent. It needs to feel, is what I would guess. But I don't know if... You're not worried about rhyming all the time, is what I'm saying. No, and I think it's like...

It's like a hammer strike right into the archetypal part of the brain with a hit song. So it's like it opens up something that that that is read that registers for lots of people. Right. So that's we're talking about monster songs. Right. So it's it's it's like a hammer strike right to the archetypal part of the human. A machete on the coconut. Yeah, exactly. No, but it is. When you really think about the best of all time or even the current best, it's like... Oh, that's, it's like, it's, it's almost, I feel like the melody is almost more relatable than the lyrics in some ways. If that, as a trigger point, as a trigger point. Yeah. Always. And I think that. Cause the lyrics are baby, you're making me crazy. Yeah. And I'm feeling hazy. Yeah, exactly. That is interesting that Jason's mentioning that that, because that is the lyric to every. hit song. Yeah, it's all kind of the same. It has to be in there. It has to be in there. Money, Honey, Baby, Crazy, Wazy, Wazy, Hazy. It's all there. Yeah, those are the 11. that you can use lock it like the way you walk i also wait hold hold i also love the way that you talk that's crazy that's crazy if a baby can understand it it's gonna be a hit but that's i'm deeply interested in hits and i get in fights about it all the time because i think that we've moved into this era of like vibes music and it's something we talk about a lot and i feel like it has to do i think like streaming has something to do with it i think about you know i think that like the way people consume music obviously has changed and it becomes background more than an event. It's funny what breaks through because I think people almost don't want stuff to break through, if that makes sense. They want to listen to something that's a little bit smooth-brained and just kind of on and pleasing versus something that makes them perk up and listen. Yeah, there's a lot of angles to that one, I think. I think you've got one segment of the world that is

interested in that and which is like you want to put something on that feels good and is like um just a vibe and something that makes me feel sexy yeah exactly and just makes and uh and just it's it's like something you can like kind of play with like a like almost like a like whatever those things called that you spin between your fingers, you know, a fidget spinner. It's like, it's just like that feeling of like having a little thing to snack on or something rather than like invest in the journey that something's taking you on. Well, something to munch on ice spice style, something to munch on. Exactly. And it's like, got it. And then there's things obviously that like this other whole huge emergence has been like, what translates? well into like a seven second eventful something that pairs with movement nicely or pairs with a reaction nicely for TikTok and then but there is still and I think there's like if you go look at what's popular now you see there's a huge number of songs back in the top 20 or whatever that are that have to do with a journey that you're taking you know in a kind of more traditional way like if you look at the billy song that is now in the top 10 or whatever that is a more kind of traditional journey of a song you know so there's still a place for that i think it's just like with everything that we're dealing with especially as guys maybe i'm a little older than you but like in my age group where you're just like ah it's not the way it used to be and it's like well It is still the way it used to be, but it's also a lot of new ways. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I see what you mean. And that's kind of where we are now, I think, just as a culture, is that the thing that you are so married to being the only way that there was to do things or the way is like. Fortunately for you, it's still an option for you. It's still an option, but you're angry because it's now not the easiest option anymore. Yeah, not the only option. It's not the only option. It's like the way to live is maybe less clear than it's been before because you have the option to go in so many different directions at once. Have you had one of these...

TikTok experiences where like a Mike Snow song all of a sudden goes fucking triple platinum. No, I'm like waiting for this shit to happen. She's like, nope. Not a one. I've heard this. I mean, I've heard this from not like personal friends, but I've heard some secondhand stories of bands that were like, well, I guess we have to tour because we're leaving money on the table. And our song from 2009 just went platinum. because of the TikTok thing. That's amazing. I feel like it's happening on every level. No, it is. I feel like it's to every kind of artist. Yeah. I mean, I think it is going to happen maybe at some point. The thing is, there doesn't seem to be a time limit on it either. Yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? There's a new CeeLo Green hit that's from 2003 right now. Yeah. And that's TikTok. yep what's and it's a song that we did not really know it's a song that it's not goody mob either i think it's like his first solo album and it came out but like before he blew up as a solo artist so like in between exactly yeah right before narl sparkly i think he did a solo album and there's a song that timbaland produced And now it's massive on TikTok. And now it's a massive song again. Yeah. Good for CeeLo's little ass. It feels like, yeah, little guy. It feels like it's a... But he did do a very cringy version of the dance that everyone else was doing to it. Oh, no. And he did his own version. And it's not what we want to be watching. It was not giving. It's not what we want to be watching. He didn't need to participate. But I do think that's... I think that's how a different generation discovers music of yesteryear. You know, and it's... That's... That's fine. That's better than not discovering it. I know. I also, another personal bone to pick with you. Or more of just a direct question. More just a direct insult. I'm just kidding. No, no, no. I'm just kidding. I'm a Joanne apologist. I love Joanne. And I think that if the song that you worked on from the movie had come out before Joanne,

Joanne would have been a massive hit. You agree with me on that? 100%. Because it was just stripping it back to almost a country music arrangement. And I think that's the reason why it didn't do well. It wasn't because the songs weren't good. It was because the parade... of like hysteria that surrounded her wasn't really able to hang itself on that type of music it's kind of like categorized it in almost in the same way as the stuff she did with Tony Bennett so it's like it's like it didn't it's not but you know obviously look it's none of this shit any kind of like detour you want to ever take as an artist it's never if you really wanted to do it and you didn't hold back it's never going to hurt your career long term it's like one day i honestly believe and i told miley this when i started working with her people will look back on dead pets with admiration because she was at the peak of fame and she just went and did something so batshit crazy you can't help but respect it you know um the beat the beatles did the same shit back in the day too right yeah yeah but their track record was a little bit more like i think they always had like i think they always had one iron in the fire of being commercially effective whereas i think with like dead pet smiley was just like i don't care about that and that was the one that she did with flame flaming lips that's the one she did with yeah wayne coin yeah with wayne yeah that was a fucked up ass time wasn't it but it was cool yeah i mean I also think there's a, I think when someone can really flat out sing like Miley Cyrus, it's almost to me, it's like, do whatever you want. Cause it doesn't, it's like, you just have it. You're like touched by God. It doesn't really matter. Yeah. You know, it's like D'Angelo could read my passport stamps and it would be awesome. No, no, you're right. You're right. Yeah. I mean, my, yeah. I mean, Malibu is a classic Chris Brown with any type of dance. You know what I mean? He's going to do a great job. Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. Uh, yeah. We went to the 50 cent show last night, Andrew, which I would honestly, it was amazing. Highly recommend it. Think of that guy. Like he's really done. He did it. Like people kind of think of him as like over or whatever, but like.

look at what he did like and he's never had that phase of like allegations and like he seems to be a guy who's like kept his ship running really tightly after getting that keep keeps to himself keeps to himself yeah i think he got i think he got I think he got really rich from vitamin water, and all he wants to do is sit in his house in New Jersey and make fun of Ja Rule. And everybody's just kind of cool with that. You know what I mean? It's a nice legacy to kind of ease into, I think. You got it, boss. Yeah, it's like, how bad can that be? The Ja Rule disparagement business. Yeah, well, I mean, he famously bought... He famously bought all the tickets for a Ja Rule show so that the front would be empty, which is just the coolest thing, like the coolest thing I've ever heard. Incredible. The original Latte Larry in so many ways, right? Exactly. It really is. It's a spite store. It's a spite store. It's a spite store. It really is. Really good. And also, at the 50 Cent show last night, Andrew, there was a moment where TMZ reported where he, too, threw his microphone. at somebody in the crowd like like a cardi b and there's been a lot of of stories about fans throwing things at people on stage vice versa what do you we have alleged or i have alleged that it's some sort of psyop to uh create the rise of vr concerts where you no longer have to leave your home to watch somebody play yeah he's really in the near future of course you really have to fight stand up for these super rich artists. We do. If over the course of one month, 12 different superstar performers get things, bottles and electronics and cell phones thrown at them on stage, you start wondering. If all we get done in this podcast, if all this podcast accomplishes is a little bit more awareness of people getting superstars being hit with empty bottles of water.

I think that we've done a good job here today. No, somebody got an iPhone whipped at the head. She had to cancel the show. Baby Rexha? Her blood's on your hands now, Andrew. Yeah, Baby Rexha. Baby Rexha. She had to go get Stitches because somebody blew an iPhone. It could have been an iPhone Max. You think that's funny? It's not funny. All right, I'm taking it back. Do you think... Have you ever had anything thrown at you when you're on stage? Do you see any psyop conspiracy things whirling around? No, but I think that thing with the iPhone is terrible because it sounds like somebody was really trying to hurt her. You've heard her music. I mean, I'm going to leave that one right where it lies. As a professional, you should not comment on that. That was mostly for Chris to chuckle at. That was for me. But you've just been hit with water and beer and the regular shit. Yeah, and like whatever, like light glow sticks, you know. No one's actually tried to hurt me, you know. Yeah, yeah. Just in the heat of the passion. We're listening to Animals, Fake Blood remix right now. We're jumping up and down. You're going to get hit. No one's like, I fucking hate you and I want you to get glow sticked in the head. Yeah, yeah. I have had stitches from a stage maneuver before, but it was like I tried to take the guitar off fast to swing it around, and it was still stuck to me, and actually the neck of it came back and hit me above the eye. There's a video of it, actually, on YouTube. But I don't know. I also think, though, to be fair... Probably all this kind of shit went on in other eras, and we just didn't hear it, and it wasn't the amplification of these little incidents. That's definitely true. It was not as much. I'm sure somebody threw a full glass bottle of beer at Eddie Kendrick's in 1974. We don't remember it. You know what I mean? There's incidents like that happen if you think about the volume of stuff that's happening. That's a good point. Also, back then,

You get hit in the head on stage and knocks your in-ear out. You keep on singing because you're a pro. That's right. You cry babies. Stop the show. Ray Charles didn't stop the show. Honestly. He's like, who threw that? Honestly, who threw that? I have no idea. Yeah. I've had my dick grabbed at a show. Damn, let's go. I stood up at the front of the stage and someone just actually reached up and grabbed the package. And you just chalked it up to the game back then, you know? Chalk it up to the game. This is what it is, bro. Being a rocker is being a rocker. You know what I mean? People are going to grab. Sometimes somebody sexually assaults you and they're not hot. And that's something that you have to be able to work through. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, you got to finish the set. You got to finish the set, bro. This is a job at the end of the day. But people don't finish the set nowadays. They look at getting hit. as a free ticket out they're like all right the tickets are here contractually i'm still gonna get paid if somebody you know if i get a couple stitches in the head i can start crying next thing you know i'm at home in bed watching netflix you know fuck it i'm watching netflix and i'm Filling out my insurance claim on that show. Exactly. Yeah, we're heavy. I got Kaiser on the horn. It's like the thing where landlords used to make more money arsoning their own buildings. So people are just going to plant people to throw shit at them in the audience now. You're talking about a little Italian lightning. Because they can make more money canceling the show than they can make doing the show. The insurance policies are big. Now, so are you going to... With this new solo record, are you going to hit the road, or are you kind of dreading that? I'm not dreading it. I don't want to do it in a way that makes me unhappy, though. We've got to keep Andrew happy. So private jet, so do we. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're going mayor style? You're going mayor style Van Nuys to every venue? Rather than the super carbon unfriendly ways of getting around, I think what I'll probably just do is play less. Or fewer shows. For more money. Smart. And have them be more elaborate, you know, if I do them. So you'll do like three shows in New York. It'll be a thing. Three in London. Three in whatever. That kind of vibe. The Harry Styles vibe. Yeah. Yeah. And maybe do. And the ticket price will be very high. So you don't lose money. No, it'll be very low. I can guarantee you it'll be very low. Okay.

It's going to be very low. That's good. Look at that. You're fan friendly. We love you, man. And Lady Gaga will do some of the dates, just not all of them, or how you plan to make that all shake out. Exactly. Well, Chris mentioned earlier in the show that we are both, you know. oasis heads liam gallagher had specifically liam definitely a goal of goal guest of ours to come on the show one day man i'll put in a good word dude i mean he's a good buddy and like he has some great stories of course and i know he's done podcasts before a bunch and he likes the sound of his own voice, so it's not outside the realm of possibilities too much, but, you know, he's a big fish. Yeah, but he's, it's not, it's not, no, I mean, I think it's, he's actually in L.A. right now, so. Okay, well, all right, well. Are you fucking joking? I'm gonna go. Fucking joking. I'm going to go hang out at the Beverly Hills Hotel this afternoon and just see if anything turns up. So I'll keep you guys posted. Yeah. Okay. Exactly. Or Bel Air. Bel Air is nicer. Liam, drop a pin if you're listening. Yeah, drop a pin. We'll go to Horses. He's a great guy to talk to and he's a lovely human being. So, I mean, I can actually send him this. Yeah, send him this because, you know, I feel like, are you a certified, are you good in London now because you've spent so much time there with him and he's such a beloved character? Have you been knighted by the queen? Yeah. Can you walk in? anywhere you know i have absolutely zero face recognition in zero nothing really probably like sometimes um that's a nice thing but but also in general as going through life it's a good thing but um i think if i ever wanted to become a british citizen or something that would help me greatly like that he could he could call he could put in the he could sign the letter of intent you know he could help you out yeah or just like people will be like come on mate you know yeah come on come on mate come on mate if liam gallagher says come on mate it gets you citizenship that's putting putting liam down as your reference on the on the application is pretty sick they're like are you taking the piss you're

You're like, no, this is Liam Gallagher. Ever heard of him? This is my man. You can check my all music refs. It's all there, guys. It's all there. Well, when you come back. It's on the wiki. When you come back to L.A., how does it make you feel? Once the CBD kicks in, of course. That's a very interesting question. You know what? I still have a house there, and I go back to that house. I changed it a lot since I lived there with my ex. So I don't. It doesn't quite haunt me in the way. But along those lines, I'm actually putting a song out tonight. And the cover of the song is I sent. OK, so Julius Schulman, who's like a mid-century modern guy. Yeah, of course. All right. So he took a picture of my house in the 50s. Yeah. And I somehow got a hold of it because a friend of mine, my friend's wife works at the Getty. museum and they somehow had all these julie shulman pictures lying around and i sent a picture of my house to a friend of mine and they sent it back this is years ago they immediately sent it back to me with a picture of vincent price dancing with a skeleton in my living room overlaid and i was thinking about artwork for this wreck for this song that's coming out and it actually jumped into my mind and i was like this is perfect because it's like me dancing with a skeleton in that house which is and the song's a breakup yeah sure infuse the skeleton is of course the corpse of your relationship the symbolism yeah we we see where this is going you see where i'm going with this all right now do you last lastly as we're landing the plane It must be interesting because whenever you do go through a breakup, you often clamp on to an album and listen to it over and over again as your sort of commiseration breakup album kind of thing. Did you have an album that you listened to before you were like, oh, wait a minute, I'll just make an album? Yeah, I mean, it was...

probably Pacific Ocean Blue by Dennis Wilson, because that's just always a good thing for a dude to cry to. Yeah, no, that's a classic, classic dude to cry to anthem. Yeah, yeah, yeah. When men were men. Yeah, that's when men really knew how to handle their... liver issues yeah yeah yeah yeah they didn't tweet through the pain they did it like a man you know it was different exactly it was different i don't make a whole show of my death okay um all right andrew thank you for joining us it was a pleasure um and yeah we were both longtime fans so it's fun to talk when is the album when is the album out um albums probably coming out around christmas great and what's it called It's called Someday I Won't Feel Like That. Okay, great. Just some light stuff. Just some light stuff for Andrew Wyatt. Just some light stuff for Andrew Wyatt. All right, guys. We'll see you in New York. And the single comes out, you said, tonight. There's a song called Maybe You Know Me Now, which comes out tonight. Perfect. I hope you enjoy. Thank you. Good to hear from you, bro. All right, guys. Thank you. Thanks, man. We'll talk to you soon. Have a pleasure. Later. Let's hang out next time. All right, man. See you in the valley. Bye. If you're a lineman in charge of keeping the lights on, Grainger understands that you go to great lengths and sometimes heights to ensure the power is always flowing, which is why you can count on Grainger for professional-grade products and next-day delivery so you have everything you need to get the job done. Call 1-800-GRAINGER, click grainger.com, or just stop by. Grainger, for the ones who get it done.