023. - Rachel Seville Tashjian

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It's Big TJ. What's good, baby? Oh, man. I just finished working out 30 seconds ago. God, the timing couldn't have been more perfect. I still have gloves on. My heart rate is above 100. You know, my heart rate's above 100, too, because I had my second nitro cold brew of the day. Jesus, man. Is this still the... The Canadian supermarket brand? Yeah, honestly, it's the greatest discovery of the quarantine. What's it called again? President's Choice. Any Canadian knows it. It's basically the Loblaws, if you're in Ontario, and Provigo, if you're in Quebec, house brand. It's the Simpler Times beer of nitro cold brew. Exactly, but it's President's Choice, nitro cold brew in the can, A little over $2, but for me, with my strong American dollar, it's fucking 30% off, baby. So I'm cooking with gas. I'm buying eight at a time. Can you get the case on Amazon.ca? Probably not. Getting shit delivered to Quebec is literally a nightmare. It's insane. Like, it's not worth it, really. Because of just all the weird province laws and shit. Yeah, it's just like, well, you have to pay duties. People just won't ship here. I tried to get a magazine shipped here, and it cost the same as the magazine. I was like, no, I'm not going to pay $20 shipping on a $20 magazine. I guess the Québécois have to work harder for how cool they are, poor guys. They're actually the worst, and they're ruining their province because they have a French first law. So any business that comes here has to change the name. to a French word unless it's a word that does it, unless it's like not a real word. So like Whole Foods isn't ever going to open here because they're like, we're not going to change our name and reincorporate for your little bitch province. Well, some might argue that that is a good thing, I guess, if you are a born and raised Montrealian who wants to see the good values preserved and not be taken over by corporate greed. Exactly.

Exactly. It's called racism. It's pretty popular in the South, right? Well, I mean, I guess French-Canadian racism cancels each other out because Canadians are not really that racist. They're pretty empathetic to all cultures, but the French are very racist. I'm not 100% sure, even though I'm obviously basically a Canadian citizen at this point. I'm not 100% sure, but I'm almost positive that French Canadians are the worst racism-wise of any other Canadians. How long gone? Exclusive. Take. Exclusive. Well, I say that, but there's a lot of Vancouver types that are very racist towards Asians. Because of the influx of Asian and Asian culture into their little profit. I think they're a little PO'd that big Chinese dollars have come in and bought up all their real estate so nobody can afford to live in Vancouver anymore. Exactly. They're a little pissed about that. And there's only one way to fix problems like that is definitely throwing racial slurs around online. has proven to fix problems over the years. They're taking our jobs, yeah? I mean, eh? Quit taking our jobs, eh? How are you besides your workout? I'm not bad, I guess. It's a little... I guess I'm just starting to notice that everyone is really beginning to... loosen their grip on the confines of their quarantine and are beginning to sort of bargain with themselves about what they may or may not be able to get away with. Maybe a behavior that you have recognized with your old friend, Drugs, of just like, you know, maybe what if we just do oxygen on Sundays only as a treat day? Exactly. Maybe we can hang out with our friends, but like... we'll like be in all in the backyard and make sure that we're six feet away. Whereas like a month ago, the thought of doing that wouldn't even cross this person's mind. It's a classic. I don't shoot it. I snort it situation is what I would equate this to. But I do think that you're right. I mean, I don't know. I look, I'll go to a park, but I would never go to a beach. Exactly. You got to pick your ballot. But no, I honestly think that people are.

And I've been saying this for a while. If the government gives us an inch, we're going to take a mile because people are just fed the fuck up, man. Like it's not even I don't blame anyone for what they do because we're all at our wits end. And I understand that it's bad and you shouldn't do it. But I also see the other side. I see both sides like Chanel. Yes. It's starting like I think everything everything is being even more and more exaggerated. Like the people who were not. Social distancing, not wearing masks, not doing anything or doing all that stuff even more. And the people who are like the super citizen face shield wearers who will like shame you if you don't like walk the right direction or something like that. Those people are getting even worse at that type of shit. No, you're right. I mean, it's going to be it's going to be a classic American extreme divide of unnecessary behaviors like because. We live in a bipartisan society where no one can just come to the middle and act reasonably. That would be just out of the question. It would. But I think that the people who I know who didn't leave the house for fucking two months, that's insane. And I think that's truly bad for your mental health. I think that might be the worst thing. It's bad for your fucking mentor. I just don't think that's a good idea. But it's also not a good idea to go to the beach with your fellow Southern Cali bros and hit the paddle ball and have some beers. Some beaches here, they're saying you're allowed to go to them, but only if you're using them as recreational places. Go for a walk around. You're not just laying there baking. Yeah, you're not allowed to just post up, which is, I mean, I guess to... I go to the beach to post up, maybe, because I'm trying to get a nice brown tan. Yeah, so tannier is not allowed, but I think they're trying to control, you know, just like the groups of 20 college kids who are just laying around doing, you know... What's interesting to me...

To me is that this is just also illustrated a, another classic, you know, archetype is like young people and old people are the most dumb and us, us, the in-betweeners it's, it's a, it's sometimes it's, it's a hit or miss depending on who you talk to. But overall, the majority of people that are acting stupidly on either side of the coin are either young or old. They're not like 35. Well, how do we get through to these people? Oldies, you know, I got the oldies handled. But for young people, do you have to just resort to violence? Like, what do you have to do to get through to them? Probably TikTok is what seems like it's working. No, young people don't care about anything except themselves. I mean, like. It's just, that's what it is. Like, it takes time to grow out of that. Maturity is not going to come because a disease that doesn't affect them in their minds is destroying the world. And if you, when you were a young person and you didn't feel like that, you weren't doing it right. No, exactly. If you're 25 and under and you care about anything besides having sex and doing drugs, you're a loser. And that's understood. Yeah, if you're really into like puppies and like... Fucking dork. Fucking loser. Fucking loser. But I don't – I mean I do think you're right though. I think that – I believe California is like starting their kind of like loosening process on Friday in the first step. I think a lot of other states are following suit with that. So it's only a matter of time. But I'm saying I've noticed the biggest change because even the woke homies are doing it now, you know? You know what? How long gone is a podcast for accountability? So I think we should start naming names. Like, who are these woke homies? And we can bleep them out later. My woke homie, Tom, how to dress well. Thomas! Was he on drugs? He's not on drugs. He's a very responsible man. But he was saying sort of in a level-headed way of like, okay, we need to like...

figure out like let's try and figure out a way that we can see each other from a distance in a way that isn't stupid and could be actually be interesting and beneficial something more than like let's get drunk on zoom and freaking try on wigs or like none of that and then something beyond like like i have a pool like you you you hang out in the deep end of the pool i'll be in the shallow end and we should be all good like don't do that either but like There's got to be some, you know, somewhere in the middle where the bros can drink natty wine within, you know, a close enough distance to each other where you don't have to use a phone or a walkie talkie to hear them. Yes. Yeah. I mean, I think that that I agree. I mean, I think it's like either do it or don't. But this like little like figuring out hacks for for for like socializing is crazy to me. I mean, I've caught myself figuring out like I'm a master of hacking my own self. So it's kind of weird, like a weird trigger when I see myself starting to get into that. Like, you know, I've caught myself doing that with, you know, procrastinating or diet habits or whatever it may be that I'm trying to talk myself into or out of. Slippery slope. Well, it's very slippery. But I also just, I don't, I mean. I need a gym and I need some sunshine. And I think I could live without people for a little longer if I had those two things. You know what I mean? I need a freaking Negroni from Mohawk Bend, man. I need a seat. We do not talk about Mohawk Bend on this podcast. Mohawk Bend, least favorite establishment in L.A. One of L.A.'s worst establishments. Silver Lake Ramen. Have I been there? I've definitely been to Mohawk Bend one time, but did I go with you? I mean, you probably did. I've only been there. You probably did. You probably did go the other way. I've been there maybe like three times, and it was always not my idea, and it was always something that it would have been. I would have looked like an asshole if I refused or wiggled out of it, so I just had to do it.

I feel like it was like I, it was, they have a valet. I know. An appeal for me. And they also are next door to, to elf, which is open from like five o'clock to seven 30 Monday, Wednesday, Tuesday. So I feel like maybe I valeted to go to elf and then elf wasn't open. And I was like, fuck. All right. I guess I'll go here. And for a sec, I can't remember. I know I've been inside there before. Well, don't worry. Every restaurant that we just named will all be closed by the time this podcast goes up. And not a temporary Corona close. It will be a permanent shuttering forever. Elf won't be closed because they're never open to begin with. So I think we're in a good... They're actually going to open seven days a week. Can't shut us down if we're never open, bitch. Exactly. That's some real... We're on that hood logic. You know what I'm saying? You can't shut us down if we ain't ever open. Galaxy brain. Galaxy brain. Do you want to talk about our last podcast? It seems like we have a big – we had a great response from our episode with Lawrence. Yeah, I just want to say hello to all our new white male followers that are graduating college next year or the year after. Yeah, the amount of Instagram accounts that have followed me in the last 24 hours after that episode went up. where their Instagram bio states what school they went to and the year that they plan on graduating has gone up exponentially. That's not our usual fan. But like I said, I'm happy to have all you guys on now. Definitely, because we're going to teach you the last something. That's the thing. You're here to learn. Class is in session, bitch, and Professor Chris and Professor TJ are here. We're going to teach you explicit instructions on how to unsubscribe from a podcast on Patreon and Apple and Spotify. It's really easy. It's really easy. But I do think that some people were like, oh, you had such a run of guests. I can't believe you had Lawrence. First of all, Lawrence is a good guest and a known friend of both, Jason and I. Second of all,

When you eat as healthy as Jason and I do every day, you need junk food sometimes. You need some hot Cheetos. You need some Triscuits. You know what I'm saying? Like I said, without pain, there is no pleasure. You need to feel the sting of the blade to remember the sweet caress of a loved one. When you walk into 7-Eleven and you see the banana and you see the hot Cheetos, sometimes you go for the Cheetos. You know what I mean? That's just... What it is. But continuing our run of controversial guests, today we have known outspoken writer and just true genius, great friend of mine, a friend of Jason's, GQ's own Rachel Taschen, who I've been friends with for a long time. What's her position title over there at GQ? I think Boss Bitch is the – no. She's, I think, just a style writer because the beauty of Rachel is that you have to just let her cook. She can't be tamed. And she's one of those self-starters who if you give them the ink, they will write the poem. That's right. Yeah, she has a lot of great takes in the world of fashion, and she's very funny. I remember when I first met her at an art gallery opening. Had a blast. Did I introduce you to her, right? Yeah, I think that was the first time I met her. It was a fun moment. I remember us being at some weird party. Like a GQ party that was in like a... a fully furnished apartment in Soho, like me, you, her, Jake Gallagher. Yeah, and I think it was like powered by Kavassia or something like that. Definitely powered by something. And I remember everyone was sitting around and then I was like, let's go sit in this like den study area, like a room that Common would have in his house and just politic with the homies. And it was good. That was a good party, actually. All right, let me bang her line.

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Wait, are you guys not on video? Fuck no. I thought the whole thing was on video. So I don't need to be on video? No, if you want to, it's more fun for us. It's up to you, babushka boy. Doesn't this look cool? I just came up with this right now. Can you believe that? She has the video screen open. We do not. And she is wearing a fur. I guess a fur cap like a woman in the 40s would wear in Russia. A garment of luxury over a hoodie that appears to be white or gray. It's white. White hoodie, hood on, and then the fur hat on top. It is a very good look. Thank you. Kudos. Thank you. How are you, Rach? Wow, you guys. You know, I'm excited to be here. Well, you should be. I mean, this podcast is obviously making waves that are unavoidable. I know you've seen them. It's really like downtown bingo. You know, a friend of ours, what did RoxyCon call it? He said you guys should change the name of your podcast to Important Hipsters. Which I actually like. I think that's pretty cool. I think that's pretty good, too. I mean, people don't really use the word important anymore. Or hipsters. Both words make me feel old. Go ahead, Chris. I want to hear what you think about hipsters. I think hipsters do for a comeback. Oh, it's totally due for a comeback. I just started watching High Fidelity. The Zoe Kravitz vehicle? Yeah, the Zoe Kravitz vehicle. You know, once I sort of... stopped worrying that it was mediocre then i could sort of enjoy it that's like what that's that's what people say when they meet me i think you just described a lot of like loveless marriages yeah yeah yeah oh yeah we made it work you know it's like previous times but um

Once I realized that it had zero aspirations of being prestige television, I began to suddenly embrace it like it was a slice of cake from a box. I know exactly what you're saying. Yeah, you guys know about empty calories? I try not to, but unfortunately I do. Empty calories for me are having Lawrence Schlossman as a guest on our podcast. Wow. Is he my predecessor? He is. We wanted all our new incel listeners to get introduced to you directly after they heard him. Yeah. Well, with this hat on, I look really like a true Chad. So they're going to be a little disturbed. What is that? Is that show on Hulu? It is. Yeah. It's a Hulu original production. I didn't realize this until this weekend when I started watching this show, but the Hulu kind of introduction music is a ripoff of the Intel Inside jingle. Yeah, yeah. We all know that. Already you're going in like, wow, this music is not going to live up to expectations. And it doesn't. I find... I mean, are they talking about current music in the show? Is that a big part of it? Or is it all like, let me put you onto this cool old stuff? It's kind of like, okay, have you guys ever seen that really bizarre slideshow about a star is born? That's like a long theory about how a star is born takes place in a universe where 9-11 never happened. What? No, Rachel. A Star is Born, the Lady Gaga film from a couple years ago. Yeah, yeah. So the argument that this person makes, which is incredibly compelling, is that the show takes place in a universe where 9-11 never happened. And what I would say is that High Fidelity also takes place in a universe where 9-11 never happened.

Because no one is worried about money and no one knows who Billie Eilish is. That sounds actually kind of like my dream scenario. So are you calling Billie Eilish the 9-11 of music? Does that mean that Ryan Adams' New York, New York, the seminal album that got pushed back because of the Twin Towers in the video, it has come out and become a giant hit? Yeah, it's come out. It's become a giant hit. There's actually a whole segment about problematic musicians, and he's not even listed in it. So I think that that's further proof for what we're saying here. If there was no 9-11, Ryan Adams would have done many less rapes than he did. Yeah. Which is great. One of the few perks of 9-11. I think there's more perks than we realize, but I don't really have them listed. I mean, where would the Strokes be without 9-11? That's true. They would have gotten to put New York City Cops on the end of the album. Oh, my God. What a fucking classic. They wouldn't have outlasted the Hives. God damn it. Wait, which one are the Hives? Doesn't matter. No, they were like the Swedish ones that dressed like a little... Were they the ones who just screamed? No, they were a really bad version of Refused. They screamed a decent amount. They did some screaming. Well, I think the singer's name, I think he had a stage name that had Howlin' in it. Oh. Did not age well. They all dress kind of like rockabilly creative directors. Hmm. It's like you guys dress. Yeah, exactly. If we tucked our shirts in more and they were made of satin, then yes. Yeah. Wow, that's great. That's a great style. You know, I've been watching some weird TV too, Rachel. What have you been watching? I've discovered a show called Goliath starring Billy Bob Thornton on Amazon Studios. And it is hot fire. Hot, hot fire. Goliath is hot fire? Billy Bob, who, how could you not like Billy Bob? He's a fucking legend. He's a sex god.

Billy Bob is kind of like a washed up alcoholic lawyer living in a motel in Santa Monica. I've seen Californication. We don't need a repeat. This is actually less sexy than that. And I think Billy Bob is hotter than Duchovny, personally. Rachel? No contest. Yeah, no contest, I would say. I just want to make sure everybody's on the same page here. So all three of us would prefer... Billy Bob to beat these cheeks up to. Yeah. Yeah. I want Billy Bob to smash this to smithereens. Got it. Oh my God. Wow. In the show, he's like, yeah, he's this washed up lawyer. And obviously there's, there's, it's basically like one case per season. Um, and we started season three, which apparently is not good, but has a big Dwight Yoakam, uh, storyline, which he's in it. Yes. So I'm very intrigued by that because they have. If Dwight Yoakam's in it, that's a whole different level of television. That means my mom is definitely watching Goliath then. Exactly. She probably is using your Amazon Prime logo. Wow. Yeah. So is Dwight Yoakam, does he dress himself for this show? I haven't gotten, I said something about this on Twitter and the response was, it's a great show, season three sucks, Dwight Yoakam's in it. That's like the three things I took away. from the responses. So I've only watched one episode, but I've also been watching a show that's been destroyed everywhere, but I think it's very funny, which is Black AF. What the fuck? Do you know what I'm talking about? It's like I don't even know Chris. Who is this person I'm speaking to? Bro, that shit is actually fucking funny. It's actually called Black AF, but go on. It's funny. Isn't it hashtag Black AF? It is hashtag Black AF. But it's actually funny. And he talks about his drip. Like his whole thing is about how he shouts out Mr. Porter because they're sold out of a Sakai sweatsuit he's trying to buy. Oh, that's cool. It's cool. His clothes are crazy. And Rashida Jones is the wife. How could you not like Rashida? Yeah. I like Rashida. It's true. I like her too. Sorry, Jason. Black AF is hitting. Interesting.

I like Black AF, but the reviews came in at the same time, and people like Mindy Kaling's show more than Black AF, but Mindy Kaling's show is insufferable. Does she have a show? She has a new show that she wrote that's about, I think it's about Indian teenagers. And it's gotten very good reviews, but Mindy Kaling is just not it for me. Yeah. Except in The Office, legendary role. Right. Legendary role in the office. You know, we have a lot of office discourse on this podcast, Rachel. You're an office head, right? No. No? I don't like the, like, fake cinema verite, like, sitcoms from, like, late Bush era, early Obama era. Late Bush era. I agree with you. Bush is having a good week this week. I feel like things are turning around for George Bush. I think it's a lazy sitcom format. I mean, sorry I can't watch The Sopranos for the fourth time so I can put up memes, but some of us like a little lighter fare. Has anyone done anything that's like, wow, the style on The Office is so good? Because I feel like people will say the style on anything is so good. No one has any sort of bar for what is appropriate to raise again and celebrate. I agree with you. I think people will find a way to be like, this is really cool. Look how Ryan from The Office dressed when he lived in New York and was using coats. The perfect banality. That's why The Office is so timeless and evergreen is all of the clothing is painfully just middle of the road. It'll last forever. But our children will look at it and be like, what is that? And we'll be like, it's business casual. And they'll say like, what is that? I just, I can't. Are you able to, I mean, Rachel, you're so bright. Is your mind not being stimulated? Are you able to watch like legacy television or are you only watching garbage? Well, I don't really watch television. Oh, wow. She's above it all, Jason. You hear that? Ever heard of books, Chris? You fucking idiot.

Yeah, it's like a TV show, but it's written down. And instead of episodes, there are chapters. So they're the same groups of people generally who you're kind of dealing with, following their trials, their tribulations. You have a sense of what they're wearing and what they care about. But it's happening on a page instead of on a screen. This sounds fucking good. That's pretty cool. Like, that sounds pretty cool. I mean, I would look into it if I had time. After we had Molly Young on the show, I've considered getting into books and reading as well. Molly has the ideal life. I mean, I think you guys both should just... Molly should write a book about how to live your life. I mean, it sounded pretty cool from what I heard. And people should be able to take a Molly year where you just drop out and you read whatever you want. I took a Molly year where I dropped out, but it was a little different. Jason trafficked into something called ADM. You're probably not familiar with that. Wait, were you a DJ? It involved a little bit more of passing out flyers in parking lots than hitting the books. I was a DJ, yeah. What was your DJ name? Them jeans. Even as an EDM artist? That's the joke, but yeah. To be fair, I like to make fun of Jason because a lot of his bros are into EDM, but Jason never really played EDM, right? I don't remember that at least. It depends on your definition of EDM, you know? Some people would consider Dua Lipa's music to be EDM. Really? Yeah, I mean, some of her songs are, you know. considered EDM. But some people, not so much. Is there like a Bob Dylan of EDM? Like who is like controls the mythology? Steve Aoki. No. Calvin Harris, Jason? Calvin Harris, Jason? Or the mouse guy? Somebody who controls the mythology. I think it would probably be somebody that is a little bit more of like a godfather of the scene. You know, somebody who like was playing.

you know, like disco in the eighties, like paradise garage kind of era might be, might be like the Bob Dylan of, of that. There's a few people. There's a guy named DJ Harvey that I might consider to be that person. Oh yeah. Yeah. I know. Yeah. He's cool. You know, he, he, some of those, the real legends are able to be cool at all scenes. You know, I think that's, he, he's not just a hard fest, downtown LA Jason type. Now, the thing that's really interesting about Bob Dylan is that he lives, I think, in Bel Air. And in his sprawling backyard, he has a tiny, rustic cabin that one imagines he retires to and sits on the porch and plays weird, old, obscure songs. And would you say that DJ Harvey... probably has like a weird warehouse in his backyard that he goes to just from a similar primal experience. He probably has like a shed or a shack somewhere in Venice, California, where there's like old records and like motorcycle parts. Very cool. Maybe he'll go there to like do a little opium or something, you know? He has long hair, right, Jason? He's got long hair. He's smoking cigs. You know, he's not your average Skrillex. We'll say that. You know how I feel about DJs smoking cigs while they DJ. Nothing gets me harder. I love that shit. It's a universal turn on. We all know that. The few times I've seen Jason really in the mix blasting a cig, just banging on those fucking CDJs, I just can't believe how cool he looks. Right. You're like, oh, I get the whole bud sex thing. Yeah. It's his moment of zen. Where he is willing to risk it all for a little piece of TJ. Yeah, exactly. And I think the fans feel the same way. The pulsing crowd feels the same way. They love to see that chemistry. I mean, I think so too. I think it really makes you look like you know what you're doing. Thank you.

Like walking and chewing gum at the same time, you know? Well, Rach, what's your day-to-day looking like out there? Wow, that's a great question. Because I think you're an early riser, aren't you? I'm an early riser. There's a big debate about how people are spending their time right now, right? So there's like some people. who are like, wow, capitalism is forcing us to improve ourselves in this horrible time. And then there are other people who are like, I'm just like a Victorian, upper middle class woman. I'm making my bread. I'm wearing a calico dress. And I would say I'm like somewhere in between there. Wow, what a great place to live. So I've been writing. I wake up and I write in a journal. Just to get things going. By hand? Some morning pages? Yeah, some morning pages. Fuck yeah. Is it leather bound? No, I just use notebooks that I get for free. I'm not going to go out and buy paper. No, I could see you scribbling on a legal pad. Yeah, I don't do that. I don't do that. I'll send you a 50 pack from Amazon. It costs $5. Okay. So I do that. And then I do some writing for my job. And then I do a few writings of the tweets. Then I do some writing of the emails. And then I give back to the community of writers by reading. Oh, God. You're such a martyr for your community. I really am. While you're reading and writing, are there other DIY projects going on in the background? Are you tie-dyeing? Is your sourdough starter being fed? Things like that? Yeah, I mean, I don't really do things. Got it. Are you able to go on your jogs? I kind of stopped doing that. Rachel, we can't let our bodies, we cannot let ourselves go during this difficult time. I know, but the thing is, I don't eat lunch anymore. So it's the same thing. Same. Well, I mean, guys, yes, in some ways, but also it's the mental aspect of exercise.

helps clear the fog from our dusty brains. Yeah, you could argue it is more beneficial for the mental than the physical. Are you blasting cold brew? Are you having a hot cup of mud? Well, in the afternoon, I have a little tea. I have a tangerine. Oh, my God. This is the whitest shit ever said on this podcast. I think it was possible. I have to go to the store for more tea and tangerines. Yeah. Are you grinding your teeth at night? Anything cool like that? Oh, no, no. I'm not grinding my teeth. I feel really left out. I'm not having any crazy dreams. No crazy dreams, no rash, nothing like that going on? No. Maybe I don't have a subconscious, though. Maybe it's all on the level. That would make sense for you, actually. Pretty cool. Nothing suppressed. Yeah, definitely not with you. Absolutely not. Yeah. Well, so you're basically not exercising, not eating, only reading and writing. Yeah. I'm like a monk. She's just in her bag right now, Chris. She is in her. She's in her little Rachel bag right now. Well, I do go for walks. Around Boston, where you live? I don't live in Boston. What are you talking about? You just second city me on the air, like live on podcast? Your neighborhood is Boston-esque in it. What neighborhood do you live in that is Boston-esque? It starts with boring. Yeah, he's right. I mean, it's like the pottery barn of Brooklyn neighborhoods for sure. Maybe they're restoration hardware, actually. It's very nice. Borum Hills are great. It's beautiful. It's just, I like to joke that it's Boston. Yeah. I mean, there's like, there are a couple Starbucks who are really liking that joke right now. I have not been to that neighborhood, so I don't get it. The only reason I've ever, I mean, the only reason that anybody goes there is, isn't there one good restaurant, Rachel? Sure. Is Rucola in Borum Hill? Oh yeah.

Love Rucola. You know who used to live in Burham Hill, though, is Heath Ledger and Michelle Williams. You know I love Michelle Williams. Before it was cool. Yeah, before it was cool. Well, it's also the kind of place where you still buy like a $10 million brownstone, right? Yeah. Perfect. Well, I mean, do you see other people and are you wearing a mask and shit and like walking on the road when people come towards you? Yeah, my friend Raffaella, who designs this really cool brand called Lou Dallas, made me a mask. Damn, that's fire. I need somebody to send me a custom mask. That's a good idea. Yeah, you should have a custom mask. You can't wear a mask that's just for anyone. You're right, I'm not just anyone. When you could be wearing a Fendi one. Yeah, I need a Fendi one. I'm really surprised that no idiotic startup has emerged to disrupt masks. It's got to be in the works. I saw that Outdoor Voices has started selling masks, so that's something. I really think that Outdoor... Is it just over? Because it feels like it's over to me. I feel like it went into a fervor when all that shit was going down, and now it's just like nothing. You can't spell over without O-V. That's true, Jason. But I wonder if they're still making sales. I wonder if it's working. I think they are. But don't you think that even if it's working, I hate to say this, but if it's working, that's kind of a bad thing. I feel like for a lot of super cool people, it's definitely kind of just like Lululemon now. Absolutely. Yeah, I mean, good point. And they know it, which is why they send all those people free clothes to keep them quiet. They do the merger-y thing where they find people with 2,000 followers and get them to say they're Team OV. I don't get that method. It must work for somebody because I feel like a lot of brands do that now, but as a micro-influencer, I find it disrespectful to go even below me.

To find someone to hawk your brand online. Fashion Nova invented that. Oh, good point. The gods. And now they got Big Blueface out there doing their shilling, which is fire. Who's Big Blueface? You're not familiar with Blueface, baby? No. Jason, give her a few bars. I will not. Blueface is a jokey, kind of a goofy rapper who has a very weird, nonsensical style. From L.A., though. He's big. I mean, he had a big song. He had like a big hit. He's a tatted-up cutie who's from the street, so what more do you want? Wow, he sounds perfect. Straight out of Central Catholic. That's how I describe myself. When he first came out, he was looking like he might be the answer, but he quickly kind of – his brand was tarnished. He became the question. Exactly. Exactly. Damn, really makes you think. Are you watching this fucking basketball show that everyone won't stop talking about, Rachel? No, I need to, though, because it's kind of like what my job is about. Well, there's three articles on GQ a day about it, and you're not writing any of them. So I feel like maybe they're good. Yeah. I mean, maybe that's not your beat, you know? It's okay. Everybody has to do different stuff. I mean, listen, like, I'm just turning on some water. Sorry. Oh, for your tea? Yeah. No, just for some, just drinking. Just drinking water. Trying to stay hydrated. I mean, listen, we all know that I am not the person who writes about Michael Jordan. I write about Dennis Rodman. Unfortunately, I didn't write about Dennis Rodman either. But, like, that's more my vibe. That is more your vibe. I mean, I can see you really going deep on Rodman in a way that hasn't been done before. But my response to the whole Rodman thing was like, there was a whole special about Rodman a year ago that was only about him and no one cared the way they care now. It's confusing. I think because not enough people watched it. I guess not. You had to be force-fed the Rodman content. I mean, sports are just really tough, I tell you what. I mean, he's got it. I mean, what other fashion takes can you have about Michael Jordan other than, you know, like he dressed crazy and he wore these big pants and like...

You know, whatever, iconic, blah, blah, blah. But, you know, there's a lot more meat on the bones for Rodman, I guess. Well, Rodman was truly ahead of his time. He was. Yeah. That's the difference. But at the time, nobody liked him at all. Well, Jason, I don't, just like this podcast, there's villains and there's heroes. And, you know, I would. I would say you're probably the Rodman of the podcast and I'm more of the MJ. Would you agree? Yeah, I would. I would definitely agree with that. And I would much rather be a Rodman than an MJ. Well, I mean, I see that. That means that you're having sex with hotter chicks, but I got my dad killed over my own gambling debt. Do you think Michael Jordan could fucking land Carmen Electra in 98? Fuck no. Definitely not. Jordan ain't walking the red carpet at another Planet Hollywood opening. I tell you that. Nobody wants to fuck Jordan. Everybody wants to fuck Rodman. That's true. Men and women. You want to put a price tag on that? You can't, brother. You can't, brother. Hey, brother, you can't. Yeah, all the Chrome Hearts in the world won't buy you that level of pussy, bro. God, the amount of people that tag me in Chrome Hearts posts now is really staggering. Do I just have to cop something for the joke? Yes, please. Rachel, do you think Chrome Hearts, if I had a Chrome Hearts t-shirt, is that normal and funny, or is that like a cry for help? I think Chrome Hearts is like, when I think about the five most important brands over the next 12 to 15 months, Chrome Hearts is on the list. I'm not kidding. I was thinking about this yesterday. Wait, we need a list right now. All right, we need the five brands that are the most important over the next 10 to 15 months. Yeah, top five dead or alive, prestige, terrible fashion houses, go. Okay. I would say, I would say. J.Crew. j crew i would say no you know what j crew should do is like hire kiko i think kiko's gonna be really important kiko needs to get a job rachel because nobody's buying those clothes it doesn't matter that no one's buying it i'm talking about like what like uh fashion twitter and instagram is like gramming and tweeting okay okay all right i understand um and and ergo what fashion nova and boohoo are knocking off okay okay so

What did you think it was? Boo? I don't know. I guess I never. Jason, you idiot. What did you think it was? Boo? I never took the time to even try to say it out loud. But when you said it right now, for some reason it surprised me. The best part of podcasts is people saying words out loud that they only read. That's my favorite genre of conversation. And kind of hearing them stutter step in real time about like, I guess I'm about to say this word out loud for the first time. All you can do is try. So we got, we got big Kiko. We've got Marine Sarah. Okay. We've got, um, I think that like the goatee, a Sakai thing is going to be really crazy and super influential. Okay. I think Zuli bet is going to be like the next big, uh, vintage revival. I don't know what that is. It's a crazy fashion brand started in the early 90s in Paris by this designer from Mali. And like Janet Jackson wore it and like Lisa Bonet. Is it like couture? Like what's the vibe? Ready to wear? It's upcycled. It's like upcycled, ready to wear like cut up sweaters and like t-shirts and all these crazy things like sort of sewn together with pantyhose. Whoa. That sounds cool. Does it have a bohemian touch? Actually, not a bohemian touch. We haven't had a lot of clothes over the past, I would say, five or six years that cling to your assets. And this is clothing that clings to your assets. What do you mean by that exactly? You're saying that if you've got acid titties, you can put on this little slinky dress, but it's upcycled so you're not hoeing. Sure, Chris. I get it. I got it now. Okay, sure. I got it. Okay. That's a way to say it as well. I wanted to dumb it down for our new fans we got from Lawrence being on the show. I just... Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I knew, of course, what you meant. Right. You should put just, like, subtitles, like, throughout. Exactly. I have to translate it for the young, dumb white man. Yeah. Are you saying that brand... Are you saying that they're making a comeback? Are you saying that...

actual look like the look of the clothes he's making a comeback and then i think that like i would predict that someone will try to like partner with him to either do like a big museum show or a re-release of his archives because he didn't like he he like had a couple of stores so he sold a decent amount of clothes but it wasn't like where were the stores like new york and la or like europe um there was one in paris and there was one in new york Yeah. Yeah. This is really, is there a lot of, can you send me some articles off pod? I would like to learn more. Oh yeah, totally. Honestly, this is really interesting because I've never heard of this person at all. Isn't it crazy? Well, not that I'm like the end all be all, but usually like I'm pretty with it, you know, I don't, but is this something you started seeing and then sniffed out and you're the one that's going to make it happen or you saw other people making it happen and you agree? Well, I had seen, I had seen, uh, his stuff before like i was i was aware of it i'd seen a couple of pieces like in museum shows but he um he staged like a big show at paris fashion week and like michelle ellie who was like a big collaborator of his did this interview with vogue where she was like he's so important and i was like oh he's clearly trying to Make a comeback. And he added all of the images of his past collections to his website. How old is this guy? I think he's in his 50s. Oh, so he's got plenty of time. He can cook. Yeah. Yeah, and the collection that he showed in February was really cool. It was extremely cool. Can you buy it somewhere? Well, not yet because it's supposed to be the fall collection. So who knows if he'll produce it. Sorry about Chris. He doesn't know how this all works. What do you think is going to happen for Fashion Week this year? Are we going virtual? Are we going user-generated fashion content?

I think everyone will just do their own thing. It seems like a lot of people are kicking the can down the road and hoping that they'll be able to do something bigger in September, except for London. But London is so organized, and they're so supportive of their younger designers. So I feel like they'll probably have some... cool weird video digital project where like rottweilers are like barking and like a spindly like victorian girl comes out and she's like it's fashion it's now i'm here with kiko now now you get the vibe of this show doing a british accent is a hallmark of how long gone is a podcast this is good i don't i don't think that i just don't think that digital stuff is it's just not sexy it's not exciting to me and obviously there's no choice with any industry but it's just so boring like i hate it i hate being on zoom i hate being on facetime like it doesn't interest me daddy wants the real thing yeah i mean i rachel doesn't you don't seem like a big zoom person either though oh i hate it i think it's so invasive You think it's too much letting people into your space. Well, can you just imagine if, like, you were in a conference and everyone had a mirror sitting in front of them? That would be so fucked up. That would be fucked up. That's what Zoom is. But you're using Zoom every day. I'm Zooming pretty regularly, yeah. I mean, I just had never used programs like that before in my life, really. Mm-hmm. Why do you, you don't like FaceTime on the street? No, I'm not a [redacted address] is really hitting right now, I think. FaceTiming raw, the raw FaceTime is one of the craziest moves that the youth is into. Like we don't call, we don't text, we just blast the FaceTime. Yeah. And then it's like FaceTime and voice memos. The voice memo thing makes no sense. I really don't get that. I mean, I guess it's just a time saver. Well, you have like big capable thumbs and not everyone has thumbs like that.

That's a good point. I got big, clumsy, white man thumbs looking like a, yeah, you're right. It's bad. I mean, but that makes it sometimes hard because I hit the wrong buttons, you know? Yeah, Chris no-no all the buttons every time. Back in the Blackberry days, you know I could do that shit in no look, like nothing, like walking down Broadway, banging out BBMs, no misses. I miss a no-look text. When you guys text a typo, do you reply and say, like, ah, sorry? No. Or do you just let it go? I will reply with the corrected word and an asterisk next to it. Oh, my God. You're so lame, bro. I mean, people freak out. Or not freak out. People tell me I'm weird because I text with punctuation and capitalization. But I think that's just how I was raised. To be a dick? To be a dork-ass loser dick? No, but I still use slang. But why do we have to let capitalization and punctuation go by the wayside? Why does that have to happen? No, I agree with you. And I have started trying to use better punctuation and capitalization and all that in my emails. But just texting with the homies or whatever. I don't really feel the need to do it. You know what Jason's very good at, Rachel, is emojis. Really? Yeah, Jason's an excellent emoji user. Like, really, really expressive with his emojis. I'm not even kidding. It's pretty impressive. Like, they're interpretive? Or you're just like, oh, hey, what's up? Like, banana. No, he just uses the right one for every situation. And it's usually the trendiest one that he's stolen from black Twitter. What's the trendiest one right now? I'm able to paint a picture through emojis that I have stolen and appropriated from Black Twitter. What's the one you've been using a lot, TJ? Open it up. Let's go. Let's open it up. This is like on Tall Tales when you would ask people to tell you their search history. Jesus, I forgot about that. That was good. I want to see what mine is. I mean, I guess the emojis have sort of changed in the quarantine.

Good point. The number one is always laughing and with tears coming out. Oh, yeah. Classic TJ. Classic TJ. And then the face of like where you're kind of like screaming out in frustration of like that face. And then the sideways eyes smiling smirk. Oh, yeah. And then lastly, the rosy-cheeked, teeth-closed smile. That's a pretty good lineup. That last one is smug. It is a little smug, but I like to take a smug emoji and make it better. You know what I mean? Put a little TJ twist on it, like when you put a lime in a Corona. Yeah, it's called appropriation, and I'll take that. I'll take it and flip it. Race, what are your top? Okay, well, the one I'm into right now that I'm freaking out about is that did you know there's a basket emoji? I think there's like seven different baskets. Like a baby bassinet? No, like a straight up, like what I would describe, like if this were a basket for sale, it would be for sale at like Bodie. For like $600. Wow. And she's like, this is my friend who makes baskets. It's a very special basket collaboration. So there's that one. They got the Bodhi basket on emojis? Damn. Bodhi really is popping. I know. Okay. Basket. Siren. Okay. Siren's a classic. The I Couldn't Help But Wonder, which is the one where the woman is sitting behind the laptop. The Carrie. And the chair. Okay. The chair because of your Instagram chair series that you're doing? Yes. Okay. But my number one all-time emoji is the 100. Yeah. I mean, that's OG. Mine is the black checkmark because I like to say things are received. with a black checkmark. The green puke face, because that's how I describe a lot of stuff on Twitter. Is that the one where the vomit is coming out, or is that the, my tummy's not doing so good, I'm going to vomit soon. I'm going to vomit soon, where the cheeks are slightly red, because the vomit is pressing against them, because the mouth is closed. Barely holding on before we... Barely holding on.

That's how ugly these shoes are that you are. Exactly. That's how ugly. Yeah, exactly. And then the white guy getting his head massaged, the namaste emoji, the money bag, because obviously we're getting bags during this quarantine. And then the I think I might have stole this from Jason, but the gas pump. Oh, yeah. To be like, we're really working with gas. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, always, whenever you're spelling out the word gas, replace the A with the gas pump emoji. Just a little pro tip from me. You wouldn't just replace the word gas with the emoji? No, no. And if you have to ask that, then I don't think you belong on Black Twitter. I don't think you do either, Jason. Fair point. Also, I saw the little basket. It's looking a little... I wouldn't call it a Bodhi basket. It looks a little like Little House on the Prairie to me. It looks like a home goods store. Damn, shots fired. Oh, my God. I like HomeGoods. You guys are really insulting this basket. He doesn't rock with Bodhi because they don't make big and tall, so he just kissed. I think this basket looks really nice. HomeGoods is the fashion nova of Bodhi. Wow, no one has ever said or thought that in the history of time. Just my girlfriend probably has. She fights with both brands heavily. That's cool. I like that. Cool. High-low mix. What were you going to say, Rachel? I feel like you were about to say something before Jason had this come to God moment. Oh, right. When he insulted the basket, the humble basket with its array of clothing, its selection of laundry. There are two kinds of people in this world. There are people who put their laundry.

in like a hamper or a basket. And then there are people who put the laundry in a bag just loose on the floor and it's like flopping everywhere. Like a garbage bag? Yeah. It sounds like you're describing Jason when he gets out of the shower. Damn. I like baskets, but I don't have a place for one. So I unfortunately use a Sports Direct UK bag for my laundry, which I think is pretty chic. Yeah, that's nice. That's nice. It's 40. It's rich. Hey, watch it. Don't talk about Jason's best friend's brand, okay? Not on this podcast. This is Oberghive on this side, all right, dog? Jason is also a known anti-vaxxer. Oh, good, good. And you use coffee enemas, I'm sure. Actually, he does do that. Wow. The amount of coffee I've squirted up my tight little asshole is to drown an elephant. Think how much coffee it takes to clean this big bitch out. And it ain't decaf. It ain't decaf. Yeah, that's Mario's going out of business. Yeah, I think if you have a garbage bag as your dirty clothes receptacle that has an air of like... I may not be here tomorrow or like I'm on the go. A real skip town type. I'm skipping town. I'm going to go buy some cigs and never come back or the landlord will be kicking me out at any moment type of energy. Yeah. Like maybe you would put a stick through the bag and like put it over your shoulder. The stick is leaned up against the wall, ready to be affixed to the grocery bag. Or garbage. Exactly. I find laundry receptacles to just not be beautiful enough. Maybe I should disrupt that industry. With baskets. I do love baskets. A handmade basket is incredibly chic and beautiful. I don't disagree. But I don't know if it would fit my decor. I'm sure you could find a really rare or special basket.

I would just have a custom. I've got to get custom. You know what, guys? I'll text Virgil. I'll see if he has time on his plate to crank out a new reimagination of a hamper. I think what we could do is get a home goods hamper and then put a red tag on it. We're good. I watched Virgil's Met Gala DJ set last night, and my man was in his fucking bag, I've got to say. Really? It was fucking good. Yeah, it was fun. a good party DJ set. Like, I think that when he's trying to be with like 15 year olds and play all this weird rap and like techno, it doesn't necessarily work that well for me, but this shit was, it was fun. It was like good. So what was he playing? Was it jazz? No, like David Bowie and like Prince and the stones and like cool shit. So he was playing Chris black music. I don't think that I can claim those artists as my own, but I do have incredible taste and he sees that. He was not playing Travis Scott, but he was playing white guy can do coke to this music. That, I guess, is my preferred genre now that you say it. Which is good Met Gala music. Yeah, I agree. Did you watch it, Rachel? Did you watch Florence sing alone in her room? I didn't, no. How was that? I mean, it was just weird because it's like she had this crazy wallpaper that only could work for her. It's so busy and distracting, but it took me out of the zone. I love Florence. I'm a big Florence head, but I just think performing in your living room to no one on a computer is very difficult. Yeah, you have to have a little ambiance. yeah i don't know what i haven't seen anyone do it well yet i think the best way i've seen it done was uh the last snl from home they had miley miley from home she was like in her backyard by a fire pit and there was like she had a fog machine and some mood lighting going on it was good well miley's hot so you know and she yeah and she looked good too did she sing or did she just talk no she sang um

Malibu? No, she sang a cover that I totally forgot what it was, but she did a very good job singing the cover. Let me tell you something. Miley Cyrus can sing her fucking ass off. She's a great singer. Great singer. When I was at the VMAs with Nomi, she sang live and might have been the only person, and she absolutely tore it down. It was incredible. We don't deserve her. We don't deserve her, honestly. A true talent. I wish she would stop slumming it with what's-his-name, but otherwise. Was that a music video? that she made for Wrecking Ball. Was that directed by Terry Richardson? Yes, it was. That was such a great music video. It was. I agree. I'm glad you love Terry as much as we do. You know, we really need Terry. You know, there's that whole Lady Gaga documentary he did that never came out. Oh, really? Yeah, he followed her for like a year, I think. Wow. There's a full documentary about Gaga. Also like during peak Gaga. Wow. When she was like really interesting and really famous and like kind of the first time that it all happened. What do you think? Like 2008? I think it was. Yeah, actually, Rachel, I think it was that long ago. Terry and I used to go to the same soul cycle class. You know what? You know what? Rachel, I don't know how we never crossed paths because I was at that. So he went to the one in Soho, right? Yes. Yes. Yeah. And he would show up a little bit late and then be wearing like a Metallica tee with Nike shorts. Yeah, which is like what Lauren Schlossman wears now. Now some people wear that shit out in public. Terry's wearing a $300 what comes around goes around metal tee to sweat. He don't care. Yeah. That's cool, though. You should treat your t-shirt like trash. He does, but he does have a child. So that probably made him a better person. He has two children. He had twins, didn't he? Wow. I can't remember. Imagine what the Richardson twins are going to be up to when they're 19. Damn. That tweet today, did you see that tweet about Chloe's 70s kid and fucking Grimes kid going to NYU together? No. No, no, no. It was a video from the Flavor Flav show. Flavor of Love.

Flavor of Love. And it said, when Tompkins 70. If she named her kid Tompkins, that would be so legendary. I don't think she's that much of a troll. Tompkins 70 singing blah, blah, blah, NYU class of 2041 orientation. That's incredible. So good. So good. I do wonder, the name has not been announced though, right? No. Okay. I mean, it's definitely going to be weird, but it can't top the stupidity. Why do people like Elon Musk? He's insufferable. People like Elon Musk? I think people like Elon Musk. I do. I think they kind of, I don't think they like him as a person as much as they like and appreciate his accomplishments and the advancements that he may bring to our world. But I don't think a car is really that cool. Well, I mean, it is a sick-ass car, and it could change the world if you make a great car that does not depend on gasoline anymore. That's true, but I feel like he's kind of ruined his swag with all this bad behavior and that Toyota can just zoom in and do better. Yeah, pun intended. I mean, he's sort of like a Bill Gates. When he came out, everyone was like, who is this fucking nerd doing all this nerdy shit? You know, you get bored, you get, you become a billionaire and then you start doing weird shit with your money. Like fucking Grimes and stuff, you know? Yeah, but the Grimes thing, I just don't find the Grimes thing like that surprising because his mom is a model. And if your mom is a model, you grow up in like the coolest household available, you know? You're talking about Elon's mom was a model. Yeah. Elon's mom a bad bitch. Elon's mom looked good. Miss Musk. May Musk. May Musk? I know. With an E. May with an E. Even better. That sounds like a diptyque flavor. Yeah. I think she was, but wasn't she a model when she was younger? Now she's also like an old model. Yeah. She became like the face of something a couple of years ago, but I can't remember what it was. Probably J. Crew. Yeah. They love all white ladies.

What is the child of Musk's name again? It's just a bunch of letters? It looks like some anime Yayo would jerk off to. I actually don't... Why do people name their kids shit like that? What do they think they're doing? When you're Grimes and you've built this character up and you've taken on this persona, you have to... It's like Pink. You have to... If your name is Pink, you just got to be Pink for the rest of your life. You can't change it. If you're a weird ass bitch like Grimes, you got to do that until the casket drop. No, you're right. But I just also, Rachel, when was Grimes' music ever good? Was there like one song? Yeah, that album that she put out in 2011 was like, everyone was obsessed with that. Is that the one that had the cool video where she was at the monster truck rally? Yeah. That was a great video. So let's just be clear. She made good music almost 10 years ago. And since then, she's just been weird and then started dating Elon Musk. Yeah. Damn. I just need one hit single, basically, is what you're saying. Yeah, probably, but I don't even think her having a hit single was part of it. I feel like she's sort of, I mean, this is a totally unfair comparison because this person's a genius. She's sort of like Rick Owens in that it's all about the world building. Yeah, you're right. And people just want to tap into the freakiness of whatever it is that she's doing at the moment. Yeah, the music is not the top priority. It's the world and the visual aspect that you've created. Right. Somebody like Arca can do that, but the music is fire. Yeah. Who is in Grimes' crew? Who does she kick it with? People that you have never heard of. Okay. Thanks, Jason. You don't know what the fuck I know about. It's just weird.

like renaissance themed like pixie fairy musicians who have blue hair and stuff that have like 11 000 followers i feel like actually i feel like maybe instead of being friends with musicians like she and elon would see themselves as like being like the kennedy administration of like freaks where they're like you just want to fill the house with interesting people yeah Which is how you get Azalea Banks wandering in and tweeting madly. God. Did I ever tell you the story of doing Good Morning New York with Nick Morgenstern and it was just me in the green room with Azalea Banks and her glam squad? No. What happened? It was just so insane. Did you hit? No, I didn't hit. It was me and then Kelly Ben Simone. uh, from real housewives and azalea banks and her dusty ass squad. And they smelled like burning mid and like fake hair. It was just so insane. Like there was, it was like 7am and they were so clearly fucked up. And like, they rolled in like a shitty target suitcase full of hair and clothes. And just like, God, it was just one of the, I like kind of forget about this. Cause like, it was not that long ago and I couldn't believe she was even doing TV, much less. Like, good day, New York. Like, why would you even do that? It's the only time she's awake. It was really sad to see it. It was honestly really depressing. I was like, damn, you've been up all night doing coke for sure. And now you smell like weed to chill out. And you, like, look crazy. Like, just fried. But morning TV is unkind to even the most successful and beautiful. So it's tough for all of us. Did you do okay when you went on? Uh, I didn't go on. I was just there for more moral support. Um, but you know, we, I'm a behind the scenes guy, Rachel. Yeah. Yeah. You're a connector. Exactly. Yeah. You're a social networking platform. Yes. I have my own social networking platform. Exactly. Yeah, exactly. But it was an interesting, it was, I love, you know, being close to Hollywood and that was, that was one of those moments, you know? Yeah. Jason, have you ever been on TV?

Jason, oh, Jason, tell her about your music video career. I don't know if I've ever been on TV, actually. No, I mean, I've probably, like, been on the news or, like, a local news show where they interviewed me about some dumb shit, like the weather or something. I was on local news. Shaman, why is it hot? I was on the local news when I came to Canada for this lockdown. There was literally a news camera, and somebody sent me a video of me and the local news crossing the border. And it looked cool. It did look pretty cool, actually. I wish I would have saved it. Was it in slow-mo? No, no, no. But it just looked like it was like them handing me papers, like telling me to quarantine and me like shaking my head in green. Yeah. Oh, wow. Nice. Nice. I know. Pretty cool, right? Yeah, that's really cool. What about you? You've been on TV, haven't you, Rachel? Yeah, I've been on TV a few times. So who did you do TRL with? I didn't go on TRL, unfortunately. I guess like the first time I was on TV, I was like, I was working for a PR firm. I was an intern. I was in college. I was working for a PR firm in New York City. And I was doing the PR for this 24-hour fitness that Derek Jeetz. was opening. Oh, yes. I love that you should attach an athlete to like a Shaquille O'Neal, for example, or a Derogier. Shaquille O'Neal has a fried chicken restaurant in my hometown of Glendale. Continue. So I had to, I was like asked to go be in the background while like the local news. shows like filmed, you know, Oh my God, here we are at like Derek Jeter's 24 hour fitness, which I think was in union square. And I had to like run, you know, on a treadmill in the background, but then they came over to me and like, they were like, are you excited that you're at this gym? And I was like, yeah, I'm so excited. And they were like, uh, do you like, was Derek Jeter of an asset for you and decided to join this gym? And I was like, listen, I'm really just here with a hair gel.

Did you get fired after that? I didn't get fired. I think they just didn't use that clip. Makes sense. Yeah. What about, what other times? What other times? Oh, well, I mean, I've been on TV, like, not, you know, kind of as a bit player in. in entertainment shows that are like taping on the Oscar party red carpet because I used to work at Vanity Fair. Oh, so, okay. So like E.T. Yes, exactly. And that's pretty sick because you were probably wearing like a crazy gown and shit. Yeah, I looked so amazing. Everyone's like, who is she? Move over. I want to talk to her. Clear frame, please. Look at that interesting publicist back there. What can we learn about her? First of all, no one's ever said that before. If I wanted to become more of a style icon, do you have any tips for me personally? Yeah, I mean, what do you want to accomplish? Well... I want my girlfriend to respect me. Wow, that's major. It is major. What does she think is cool, though? She's a stylist, so she has advanced clothing. She's into some pretty freaky shit, Rachel. As a person who understands both sides of this coin. But TJ, the problem with his height is he can only wear shorts, basically. So that does limit his choices. And he's got big-ass clown feet, so he can't just cop fire sneaks like the rest of us. So he has to be more creative. He can't just buy fire garms willy-nilly. Yeah. There is no willy nilly. No willy nilly. But I learned to like that though. Yeah. The truth of the matter is that like everyone is wondering like what clothes are going to look like after all this is over. And fashion is just going to be like for freaks only. And if you aren't a freak, you got to get out. So basically you're about to thrive. You are about to thrive. Yes. Finally. Freak hours.

It's your time, Stretch. It's your time. I think you should get into crazy shorts, Jason. I think you should just find the wildest shorts and that be your thing. Yeah, and maybe no shirt and a vest. He's looking good. He's lost a lot of weight, but he's got a bird chest, so it's a tough call. It's not as much of a bird chest as yours, Chris, but it could be less bird-like. I could set a damn Coors Light on my chest right now, but okay. Is that right? No, it's not right. I'm looking like a damn Kenyan marathoner. Jason, have you ever asked your girlfriend to dress you? Or has she ever been like, hey, maybe you should think about wearing this? No, I have done that, and she has suggested, and she gets me things all the time for sure, but it's just a tough thing with the sizing. She'll find me a straight shirt, but the sleeves will be eight inches too short for me. Everything looks like a raglan baseball shirt and some culottes. But Jason, I think that you have a great look going on. Actually, I think you have a real Raising Cali vibe that is hard to replicate. You have a signature look, which most people do not have and want. Great point, Rachel. And that's coming from someone who maybe has the most signature look, which is Rachel. It's good. I think a signature look comes, comes from confidence. Yeah. You believe in yourself and your, and your garment choices and you feel, you feel not the need to, uh, to sway with every trend. Yeah. Rachel, what's going on with, what's going on with your hair? Like, how is it so blonde? Oh my God. That's a question to ask Chris. Yeah. You know, I just like had no idea what my real hair color was. Just didn't know. Have you found out? It's sort of getting there. And it's not what I expected. So you've been a bleach baby for years, is what you're saying? Oh, yeah. Yeah. I've been a bleach baby for so long that the salon that I first went to to get my hair bleached, I chose because MGMT got their haircut there. Wow. Wow. Did MGMT get $500 haircuts? That would be so cool.

I'm sure they did. I mean, they went to Wesleyan, you know. That's a good point. Also, there are going to be bleach babies born who were conceived in this time of bleach drinking. Just a little side note. But go ahead. It sucks that your insides can be blonde, but your outsides cannot. That does suck. Maybe you should move to Cali. Ever think about that? No. Okay. Remember that? What was that? What was that like kind of VH1 band that had the sort of very like chaotic song about like, I would follow my pride. You know what I'm talking about? It was like around the same time as Third Eye Blind. The song is called Rendezvous, I believe. Yes, there we go. Who are you guys talking about? There we go. And they have this famous lyric in the song that's like, SoCal is where my mind stays, but it's not my state of mind. Oh, God, I remember that. That band is called Eve Six. Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. That's a great band. It is not a great band, sadly. But that's, yeah, that's like the epitome of like the shit that I had to listen to when I was growing up just on the radio and you just, it was just in your mind whether you liked it or not. Oh, the artwork had the fly on it. It was bad. Yeah. Where did that music come from? Maybe you guys can explain this. Is that music the horrible commercial child of the red hot chili peppers? Is that what it is? I think it's like bar bands getting big record deals. I think it's like a band that would play in a bar on a Friday night in Huntington Beach. No offense, Jason. Somehow getting an A&R guy to come to the show and there's one song and they got a big record deal. Because it's genre-less. It's not punk, but it's not...

like hard rock it's just kind of it's um it's post sugar ray new metal it's a new metal sugar ray hybrid in the 90s there are a lot of bands like that and in the 90s anyone can make money in music it was just the it was the heyday of of the of the biz where does matchbox 20 fit into all of that the top Matchbox 20 can still go to a casino and fucking make 100 racks. That's no cap. I think that some of those bands, they all come from the same bad scene and then some just actually could write a couple songs. That's the ones that are still around. Matchbox 20 at this point is like a legacy. They had real songs that are playing in grocery stores until we die. Yeah. Did you guys ever follow Hennessy Youngman? who is like a YouTube art critic. But he made this series of mixes called CVS Bangers. Damn, that sounds good. They were so good. They were really good. I can't recommend them enough. I mean, that is truly the music of my youth. That was all the most popular music when I was growing up. I wish I could play that song right now on the end of this podcast, but too risky. That's too risky. Rachel? You would get sued? Yeah. Well, we don't want to mess up our relationship with our sponsor, Spotify. Oh, can I do the ad read? Yeah. Actually, that's a sick idea. Jason, text it to her right now. Oh, you don't have her phone number. Hold on. Let me text you her phone number. What I also want to do is I want to download Chris's ad read and then cut the part that just says, I don't even have premium. Because that's something you would never have said three or four years ago. You would always have the premium version of everything. No, not this. Not this. I don't feel the need to have multiple premium streaming services. You put a premium on premiums. Damn, bars, bars. I love that, Rach.

We will have you record this ad. I just sent you her number. Amazing. And then it will be... Sorry, hold on a second. You guys need to have your celebrity guy. You know when you listen to Z100 in the morning and it's like, hey, this is Beyonce and you're listening to Z100 in the morning. I drop. I know. Jason has a lot of relationships with famous musicians that I'm looking for him to lean on, but he hasn't done it yet. Well, I think you should just have each of your guests say that they're someone famous. I should be like, hey, this is Alec Baldwin and you're listening to How Long Gone. Okay, done. All right. Well, I texted you the ad read. Let's see what you've got. Oh, my God. I can't wait. There's going to be the call to action at the bottom. That is mandatory copy, all right? Everything else, I want you to put your own unique spin on it. Okay, great. I'm going to put on lit in the background and just get myself in the mood. My own worst enemy? Yeah. Okay. We know the two. Yeah. I'm just reminding you in case you forgot. We're ready when you are here. You asked for this. Oh, I'm reading it now. You're reading it now. Oh, my God. Okay. We're going to cut it out. Don't worry. Jason, our AV team, will handle it. Okay. I'm just going to try it. Just do it off the cuff, and you just let me know how it sounds. Okay. Are you crying? started you screw me up okay i had to take another sip of lean before getting the booth there's somebody listening to this right now i'm jacking off i don't know what's gonna happen but i fucking love this is this all going in the pot no no no yes that can be sort of like you know post-modern no this is going in the pot and then i will so you get to hear the before and the after

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Go have some tea and a tangerine. We'll talk to you soon. You too. Bye.