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All right, this episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by Stateside with Kai and Carter, a new podcast from The Guardian. And they are using this podcast to slow down the news and wrestle with the questions that we all have about what's happening in the world. And they do it three times a week, Jason. Does that sound familiar to you? We don't really talk about, you know, a lot of international global news items and climates and cultures and sports and things like that. We do talk about fashion and wellness, but for everything else, Kai and Carter are a great place. All right, so who couldn't use more news? Listen wherever you get your podcasts. or watch on YouTube. How Long Gone is Here. uh jason stewart and chris black i'm hungover i had a big hollywood night last night i didn't get to sleep till midnight tj and you know how to get up and run before this earlier than usual podcast so you know i'm feeling good but could be feeling better damn bro i'm sorry so it's okay what does it feel like to be hungover and sober at the same time because you're so is there a difference between being hungover and just being tie tie or what's going on i think hungover sounds cooler It sounds, you know what I mean? Of course it does. But I do think it's a little bit of overstimulation combined with lack of sleep makes it feel a little bit different because I went to, you know, I went to Shintaro. Then I went to Spiritualize. Then I went to this Burberry party at the Chateau, which I didn't really realize was. as much of a thing as it was and then when i walked past the 30 photographers and like sprinting paparazzi i realized that i was i'm pretty sure madonna was there that bitch has been everywhere lately what's up with that i know i don't get it either i don't get it either but i was able to build with um Friend of the show, Benny Blanco, sort of was trying to neg me while also wearing, like, shoes with studs on them. Shoes with studs on them, like, some Amiri-type shit? No, they were probably cooler than that, but I think he was kind of trying to make fun of me wearing, like, a blazer that felt like a, you know, East Coast literature professor, which is fair.

But I guess when you wear silk shirts open to the navel. Right, right. It's different. You guys are building on different waves. But I'm also like, yeah, I know that everything he's wearing is extremely expensive. But he was very complimentary. He said that he had been approached countless times by his appearance on this program and mostly by hot chicks. Wow. Which is very cool to hear. You hear that, Spotify? Yeah, exactly. Spotify, does that mean anything to you? Your favorite trainer, Joe Holder, is in the building wearing a full Burberry look. It was, you know, it was just really, it was. What was the purpose of this Burberry activation other than to do a great Novacek projection on the walls of the chateau? Was it at the chateau? It was at the chateau, yeah. The Novacek projection. So you crossed that picket line? Let me tell you something right now. I'll cross any picket line. Okay. It was for fragrance. It was for a new fragrance launch. Sounds captivating. It was captivating. I made it for 45 minutes. I built with the fam. I saw Pattinson. Timmy was in the building. You know what I mean? Designer Ricardo Tishy was in the building looking like a wax figure because he overdid a little bit with the fillers. Okay, okay. And you built with all these fams, you said? Or did you just look at them from afar? No, Timmy was like, when can I come on? I'm like, bro, we're kind of booked right now. I didn't really love Dune. I'll get back to you. What's your August looking like, Tim? If you got any movies coming out, you know. Let me know. Let me know if you got anything coming out. We can kind of look at it. Yeah. But Spiritualized, I will say, because you went to Lemonheads and Jawbreaker with me, this crowd was even more like record store employee in Wichita. Of course. But they were very good. It was very cool. And where did you see them at? The Fonda. Okay, okay. But it was also star-studded. Jake Gyllenhaal was there. Really? Alex Turner from Arctic Monkeys, who's extremely... They're so big, and it just doesn't register with me, and I kind of forget it. But yeah, he was there with a chick. It wasn't Alexa Chung, unfortunately for him.

But yeah, anyway, it was a big Hollywood night. So there was a big 420 for you, and there was also, I think the Deftones played at the Greek, another one of your faves. Yeah, Deftones. Well, you know, what's funny is that on my run this morning, I was like, there is an inordinate amount of food trash on Melrose, more than usual. And then I realized, because there's usually quite a lot, so you times that by 100, and you're like, oh, it's a post-420 trash. So there's even more Dave's Hot Chicken wrappers. Exactly, yeah. Than normal is what you're saying. Exactly, yeah. And so I had to dodge those this morning, but I hope everybody had fun. I know you were celebrating over there in Glendale. What was the menu looking like from Chef TJ? You know, I didn't really do much other than roll up a fatty and blaze it. Let's go. I was trying to think all day, like, how am I going to contribute to 420? you know, in my personal way with my personal brand. I knew it had to be food related. I knew I had to cook a meal because I didn't want to, you know, drive my car out in public because, you know, I would be too high to operate a motor vehicle. So you're saying you're going to get too zooted that you would have to put the Tesla on dog mode for you. Yeah, I was planning ahead to put my brain on dog mode. DJ said I'm going dog mode. Yeah, I'm going dog mode. And I'm a responsible chiefer. And also, I don't want to deal, you know, you get in your head when you're super high and you're like, I don't want to. No, I know how it is. I have to set everything out and cross the T's, dot all the I's before so I can really enjoy the high. Were you able to use your born and raised Cypress Hill official? zigzag papers or did those not come in time for you no i use my my born and raised piece okay i'm glad you had a piece yeah it was a two and a half footer i popped the cherry on that one i was saving it oh so it had to be food related but i didn't want to just eat like a delicious dank meal sure i think part of being like a 420 stoner meal is it kind of has to be a little shitty you know what i mean okay yeah it has to have a little

yeah jankiness to it so we're not doing the seven course tasting uh as the deftones play softly over the sonos there yeah there's no omakase there's no wagyu there's no caviar okay there's no okay so it kind of has to be a little janky a little kind of dorm roomy kind of paying homage to some some some stoner guilty pleasure shit so It was a three-course offering. The first course was Australian-style sausage rolls. I'm sure a lot of your mates like that. Did you post it on Instagram? No, I haven't been posting food pics on Instagram. I'm just not really inspired. We thank you for that, the community of people who hates food pics, but I think your followers would love to see that. Yeah, you're right. Maybe one day. There's a nice listener of the pod who sent over a pack. from a place called BH Premium Meats. They sent over all different kinds of meats, and I had some bratwurst, wrapped them up in some Australian puff pastry. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Served it up with some tomato sauce. Hold on. I get sent clothes and stuff. And you get sent meat? That's right. I get sent meat. So I just want to be clear. You've reached a level in your career as an influencer where you're getting sent incense, alcohol, and meat. Pretty much every single day, yeah. Every single day. That's every day. I got two bottles of wine yesterday and edibles. Shout-outs to Rose. You guys are blessing me. No, shout-out to Rose. Thanks for not blessing me. Okay, I didn't realize that meat distributors had influencer programs. That's kind of something new for me. Yeah, not for me. Not for me. I am a food fluencer. And actually, a long time ago, there was a friend of mine, a podcast listener, who sent me a bunch of meats. But that was just from his private collection. He lives in Montana. and his family owns a ranch, and he sent over the Joe Rogge's pack of, like, multiple pieces of elk meat. And I made the best tartare of my entire life out of elk meat one time. Oh, that's disgusting. So we started off with an appetizer of a nice artisanal, grass-fed, free-range, blah-ba-dee-blah-blah sausage roll, dip it in the tomato sauce, and a nice high-end Dijon, of course. Oh, beautiful. And then, you know, a little sesame seed on top, a little egg wash. Second course.

An Italian chopped salad. Oh, he said. Some shredded icebergs, some garbanzos, some salami, some onions. This is a classic. Oregano-forward vinaigrette. A classic, they think you're going to zig, but TJ zags. He's combining foods from different regions successfully, and some of you home cooks can't do that. Not a lot of people can kind of swim upstream the way I do. And then to close things out, for the main, of course. Some Annie's organic macaroni and cheese served with steamed broccoli. It was like a 50-50 mac and cheese broccoli. So we're getting the nutrients. We're getting the greens. But you are having kind of a stoner dorm room mac and cheese vibe. That sounds a little bit stoner but also a little bit baby. Baby liked to eat mac and cheese. Yeah, that's for sure. Sounds a little mushy. I don't love the mouth feel. I hope the broccoli had a little crunch to it to kind of offset. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Don't worry, bae. Bay blanched the broccoli to perfection. It had a perfect toothsome bite. You didn't go al dente on the Annie's, did you? The al dente on an Annie's or a Kraft mac and cheese is kind of a tough thing to execute. It either goes from cardboard to just liquid. Mush. There's not a stopover on that. There's not a ton of wiggle room. uh in terms of that and you kind of have to make peace with that so you kind of you get the the guilt of having like a boxed mac and cheese but then you're kind of that's negated by the fact that it's organic blah blah blah and then you're serving it with a shitload of steamed broccoli or or whatever just broccoli so that's nice and then to close it out oh a tall glass of milk Some oatmeal raisin cookie action. This is one of the most disgusting meals I've ever heard you describe. Yeah. Each part is worse than the last when I think about them being combined in your little tummy. I imagine your stomach felt like it was getting headwalked at a hate breed show. I felt better. But also, I wasn't drinking alcohol. One thing that you'll like, my beverage of choice.

Two. Full-size San Pellegrinos. Not one, but two. That is nice. I'm glad to hear that you're hydrated. I didn't drink all of it, but just knowing. Yeah, that it's there. Just knowing that you have two Big Daddy full-size ice cold, you're able to rest easy as a drug user. No, that's true. You know that. Trust me. The reason I started drinking so much water is because I was a drug user. Because your liver and kidney failure required you to drink so much water. I was trying to offset the kidney failure and also the drug. dry mouth from smoking the devil's lettuce, like you were doing yesterday. Well, we both had a successful 420, it sounds like. And now here on 421, we talk to a lot of people that are elite in their fields, Jason, whether that be the media or podcasting or music. But we rarely have athletes on the show, except ourselves, obviously. But today we have an NBA champion. Joining us on How Long Gone, Richard Jefferson, you might know him. He's also an analyst on ESPN, so you see his little smiling face every night. He is shorter than Jason, but he did go in the first round, you know what I mean, in 2001. So he has that over him. He really rides for the state of Arizona, which I think is something. Small forward. You know, those guys need love, too. He's a little guy. He's a little guy. But, yeah, he's got he's had an interesting background. And he also seems to have he seems to be down to clown from his presence on the World Wide Web. Yeah. And he also seems to kind of be the Chris Black of the NBA in terms of bald guy in good shape. And most of the people on the Internet seem to hate him. So I think they'll have a lot in common. But he's been able to sort of find peace with that and enjoy it. Whereas maybe maybe he as a as a veteran. Well, Jason, if I had made that much money and also had parents that were missionaries, I would probably be a little more centered as well. But unfortunately, I'm still middle class and my mother is retired now. If you had all the advantages of that, he had maybe things would have worked out differently. Exactly. Exactly. It's one of those classic cases of.

Privilege, MBA privilege. He got to grow up going to the fancy schmancy schools in Arizona. Those public high schools in Arizona, you know, I've heard they're like kind of outdoor jails, but that's not true. Let's give RJ a jingle. We have a lot to talk about. We have a lot to talk about. Some of it is even basketball related, but hopefully none of it is. Big Dick Jefferson better come in swinging. All right, this episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by Quince. Jason, the temps are warming up. It's getting hot out there. Summer always changes how I get dressed. I need pieces that feel lighter, more breathable, and they're just easy but still put together. I don't look like a slob. That's why I keep coming back to Quince. They focus on high-quality essentials that feel and look amazing. Breathable linen and soft organic cottons. Well-made basics but without the luxury markups. That rare balance where everything feels elevated. but still effortless. Yeah, Chris, linen season is here. I wore a linen blazer to dinner a few nights ago in the warm California sun. But, you know, you got that Italy trip coming up this summer and quality European linen pants and shirts. Upgrade that look starting at just $34. You know, if you get a nice linen suit, a little t-shirt underneath it, some chill shoes, you're looking good, but you're staying cool. The inside of your special areas are nice and dry as you turn up with your besties. So elevate that summer wardrobe. Go to quince.com slash how long for free shipping on your order and 365 day returns, even on a nice holiday now available in Canada. That is Q-U-I-N-C-E dot com slash how long. That'll get you free shipping and 365 day returns. Quince punto com slash how long. This episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by a new podcast from The Guardian stateside with Kai and Carter. This is covering a lot of our bases, Jason. It's trying to slow down.

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How long taskers book up faster, especially for same day tasks. So book trusted home help today. That is $15 off your first task using promo code. How long with the task rabbit app or at task rabbit.com. What up? What up, everybody? Y'all ready? Yeah, we're ready. Richard Jefferson, thank you for joining us here on How Long Gone. Which tropical location are you coming to us from? Are you saying this because of my plastic plants? But see, yeah, jokes on you. I'm in Hermosa Beach. So, yes, I'm in a bit of a L.A. tropical environment. Then I would love to because I'm going through a landscaping journey right now over here in West Hollywood. What does that mean exactly, Chris? Well, just, you know, look, it's one of those things that I had never dealt with before. Richard, you've had money for a long time, so I'm sure you've paid some landscaping bills in your life. But did you, you know, when you first did got into landscaping, were you ready for the bill? You know what I'm saying? Did you have any gauge on how much it would cost? You know, I didn't. But you know what the beautiful thing about the entire thing is, is that you start to understand. Like I'm not, what is it, a horticulturalist, horticulturalist, horticulturalist. All of those work. All of those. One of those things. You don't have a green thumb. Yeah, which the beautiful thing about it is when you start planting trees and plants and random stuff and you go to go buy a palm tree, they're like, hey, this palm tree that's five feet tall is $100. This one that's six feet tall is $200. And you're like, what the hell? And they're like, well, there's nothing that can help this other than time. So you want a full lush. But then I was also taught that like, hey, if you're doing a whole landscaping thing, always buy smaller because then they can grow. Then the flip side of it is that a lot of times you plant stuff and it dies. So you don't want to spend a ton of money on all this beautiful, big stuff. Then it dies. And they're like, hey, we don't give refunds. We don't guarantee. We don't guarantee. It's like when the goldfish, when you buy the goldfish at PetSmart and you take it home and two weeks later it dies, like you don't take it back the goldfish. That's on you, chief. That's on you. So I learned a lot in this. I've got a driveway full of mulch right now, so I'm just kind of going through it. But it makes your plastic. A color mulch. It's kind of a. Don't say brown.

Use your descriptive words. I know. I'm thinking it's kind of like a nice clay brown, though. You know what I mean? Like a terracotta brown. Ooh, great use of the word terracotta. Clay brown, didn't you? You did a couple years with him. Yeah, terracotta brown. Arizona State. Oh, God, I loved it. You know what it is? I'm more of a red mulch guy, right, just because I got a stunt. I have to stunt. That's the ultimate stunt. It's nothing for you. That's the ultimate garden stunt is if you're. going to go like, if you're going to go like, oh, I have all this greenery and all this stuff. It's like, let me just add a little pop of red, a little red mulch there. Greenery is cute, but this is some redery, you know what I'm saying? This is some redery. I'm telling you. I'm a Rolls Royce fan of a mulch color. I've been saying it for years. Until you understand what a red mulch, fresh red mulch. That's right. You ain't living. You ain't living if you haven't understood that. I believe that. Just think about it. No, I'm going to go outside now and tell this guy to go back to the store. You know what I mean? We got to start over. I just learned some new information. I got a couple cans of red Krylon, Chris, if you're looking to do it on the cheap. Yeah, don't spray. Don't spray. The spray paint. Why do you live in Orange County? Well, so Hermosa Beach is just north of Orange County. Orange County is like Laguna, Newport. I'm just above those beaches. It goes Long Beach then. redondo hermosa manhattan and then you get to santa monica venice so that's your lesson on california geography well jason jason's a california a lifelong california resident he's originally from orange county i'm from huntington beach oh yeah the second hb hermosa beach the second hb we've been getting a little bit more news in the last few years than hermosa i don't know why You know, as they say, it's like... Because Hermosa has a lot of racist white people, too. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Give them some of the... Yeah, they're just more low-rider trucks and tattoos. But, you know, HB is kind of... Like, you know this. Huntington Beach is the Florida of Southern California. Wow, he's coming. He said, bitch, I'm coming for you, Jason. Yeah, no, it's true. No, sadly, it's true. It used to not be that way. Now it has become that for whatever fucking reason. They often congregate in places of people with like...

behind the orange curtain behind the orange curtain so do you are you a beach lifestyle guy or is this just you know proximity to hollywood richard likes to be by lax i think that's a big selling point yeah huge what's the commute time what time if the escalade picks you up for your flight how much time do you need bro it's nine minutes oh yeah let me tell you this like i'm part of my ocd and part of my my behavioral issues is i typically if the flight boards If the flight boards at 12 o'clock, I call my Uber around 1130. Come on, dog. You're playing with five. That's crazy. Well, because you're only 10 minutes away. Richard, do you have clear? You have clear head? Oh, clear, TSA pre-check. You go delta if the line's too long. You don't even have to pop out your ID. I'm pre-check. I don't check a bag. Look, I've got all the hacks. If anybody wants that, we'll do a side conversation about the hacks. I want to talk to you a little bit about clear because something about it rubs me the wrong way, and that's why I haven't signed up. It's kind of like the Soho house of Terminal 4. We're still a little – I don't know what it is. I know it's faster, and it's offered to me for free thanks to my good friends at American Express. But I just don't – I just don't – I just – something about it. I'm just like I don't like this. Lean into it, bro. Lean into it, bro. You have a cell phone that's listening to you. Every app – You got a cell phone. Every app that you have is listening to you. No, no. It's not paranoia. No, it's not paranoia. It's like I don't like – that it feels it's weird it feels unfair i'm not a fair guy i don't like other people chris likes somebody to earn the privilege and the prestige of yeah diamond medallion member he doesn't like that you can just buy it and and that's what i i love what i love is when white men have been like we have this so easy that like i like i just don't feel like i need more privilege I don't like, you know what I'm saying? There's just something about more. There's something about more privilege that makes you feel uncomfortable.

And what I love – No, no, no, no, no. I like more privilege. I like more privilege. Don't get it twisted. Yeah. I want to earn it a little bit. I don't want to buy it. That's fair. Like you've already been gifted so much. Exactly. Yeah, yeah, exactly. How am I just going to purchase more privilege? Yeah, yeah. Richard, this is going to be a great podcast. I can already tell. Richard, I don't know. I don't know how to pay for it because it's been given to me. It's been given, and that's okay. Listen, I'm here to tell you, like I don't speak for all, but it's okay, bro. it's okay like lean into it it's available to everyone and maybe that's why it kind of turned you off you're like you just have to pay a fee there's no exclusivity to it well i don't like that i don't like the escort oh i don't like that i don't like the little escort and like you have to have a conversation with somebody i don't want to do all that yeah that's kind of like when you're black and shopping right Yo, I'm good, bro. Can I help you with any? No, I'm good. I'm fine. We got eyes on Kobe over here. Make sure we trail him. We're good. It's like, thank you. This guy's got two shampoos in his cart. It seems fishy to me. Everybody, I don't understand. I guess it makes sense that you're an expert traveler after years on the road. And also a tall traveler as well. I didn't want to bring this up in front of you, but Jason is taller than you. Jason, how tall are you? Congratulations. 6'9". Holy shit, man. I can't believe this is the first time we've met. I don't see a lot of six, nine people that I haven't run across. Did you play basketball? It's overrated. No, no, no. I never played basketball. I was very anti. Well, I grew up in Huntington where it's like skating, surfing, and then kind of like the traditional sports, football, basketball, baseball. That was like for the jocks, and I was sort of on the more like I'm fat and into punk rock. That's a big scene. Stuff like that. That Orange County.

Even in Hermosa Beach, Pennywise. Not Pennywise. Yes, Pennywise. Pennywise, and there's another one I can't remember. There's a bunch of them. Bro, how the fuck do you know about Pennywise? Okay, first of all, there's a couple of things. One, I grew up in Glendale, Arizona. So even if I don't like... like listen to you're aware of like you're aware of your surroundings sure sure then secondly they're still big they have there's other bands there's another band here that was really big also there's a thing called the Hermosa Beach Iron Man and if you guys aren't familiar with the Hermosa Beach Iron Man it is one of the greatest and it lets you know the town that I live in Hermosa Beach like Huntington Beach is different but this is what it is the Iron Man is like something along these lines of you have to you run a mile then you have to like paddle like a half mile up like paddle a half mile back and then and then after that you have to chug six beers oh so this is a different iron man this is a hermosa beach okay yeah it's a different iron man so this is the third part of this is that you have to chug six beers and after chugging the six beers and people start throwing up and one person throws up and everyone throws up and so these guys they run them it's a race so you got to run a mile then you have to paddle back And then you have to chug six beers and then you have to sit for X amount of time. But and if you don't puke, then you're fine. That party goes on in front of my house and they do it Fourth of July weekend. So every they'll have like they've had like Pennywise perform like and there's like hundreds. So there's food, drugs, Ferris wheels. It's a whole thing. Everything. It is an event. Google. Hermosa Beach, Iron Man, it's awesome. So that's your Coachella. You pay too much in taxes for this shit, to look outside and see a bunch of fat white people drinking beer in front of your house. No, these guys, they're not fat. They're running mild. This is not like, there's some fat, but I paid too much to live in Venice near all that.

That's too much for me. I'm okay with the drunk frat boys, like seeing if they can make themselves throw up from drinking beers and running miles. That shit's funny to me. That's one weekend a year. It's one weekend. Yeah, it's one weekend. And it's like, you know, I sit on my deck and I, you know, drink my coffee and watch. And, you know, every once in a while I'll go down there. But it's a big neighborhood thing. That makes sense. I'm pulling up this year. Are you beachfront? Look, I don't want to brag or tell my location, but let's just say this. I am in close proximity. I'm not on the front. I'm not on the strand, the Hermosa Beach strand. There's just not enough privacy there for me. Oh, I see. Yeah, it's a privacy issue. I want a house back. So let's say you crack a window. You smell the seed, don't you? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I oftentimes, when I have to go far away in L.A., like, I don't know, inland, like on the other side of the floor. Well, I live in Glendale. I live in Glendale, California. I don't go that far. That's too far. But if I ever have to go to like downtown LA, I oftentimes keep my windows up. until I get close to the beach, roll the windows down, and then you start to smell that salt. That's what I do. That's actually what I do. Mama, I'm home. To feel kind of what the normal man feels, I roll the windows down as I get closer to downtown, actually, to kind of smell that. That energy. Oh, you're working. This is what work smells like. Yeah, you've never worked in your life. You've played games. You've talked. You wouldn't understand the plight of the working man like me. Well, you know, it's all based off of context. It's all context. context like yes did did i spend hours and hours in a gym oh actually i grew up in phoenix so i spent hours and hours outside playing basketball at 14 years old uh dedicating my life to a craft and so you know if you don't want to consider that work 100 110 degree heat you know if you if you want to be like hey look i had my 10 000 hours at 14 right like okay but if we don't want to consider you know defying the odds and being one in like a hundred million chances to do it but yeah cool i've never i've never i've never worked

Not in the traditional sense, just in the defy the odds. You know, to be honest, Richard, we have that in common. I've also never had a real job. Unfortunately, I can't say that I'm only an amateur athlete at this stage of my life. But Jason and I both like. Because I'm pretty big. I'm 6'4". We're both pretty big. We both kind of shunned athleticism that we probably could have. We couldn't have maybe made the NBA, but we could have used our size. Volleyball? Volleyball? Yeah. That was one thing that I found very unique about moving down here. Because there's like, look, the demographic in the NBA is definitely shaded one way, pun intended. Uh, and so, but it was like, I came down here and I started playing a ton of beach volleyball as like training and just like, you know, hanging out with, you know, guys that I know here. And it's like, there's tons of six foot seven, nine athletic fucking well-built dudes. I'm like, did you guys not realize there's no money in volleyball? Why are y'all playing volleyball? Zero, zero money. There's like tons. Like, and all of a sudden you look at the USC or UCLA volleyball and you have. six foot seven guys with 40 inch verticals and you're like uh you guys know that there's sports out there that they will pay you millions that pay money to just be okay at it's funny it's funny you say this because a friend friend of the show uh this guy eric shakin that's a photographer He went, him and a whole group of guys I know got NYU scholarships to play volleyball, and they're from, like, San Diego, and they're just like, yeah, but we went to college for, you know, that's kind of where it ends. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah, it's hard. What do you do? It's like going to the Olympics, though. It's kind of like a lot of those sports, a lot of those sports, it's kind of like that's it. Some people love a net, you know? Some people love a net. Some people like a hole. That's what it comes down to, Richard. I don't know. What's the – Richard, what? So now in your – Richard, in your advanced age, now that you're more on the flip side, because we talk about exercise a lot on this podcast, we consider ourselves to be amateur athletes. We leave it all on the floor, much like you did at 14. You're busy, you're traveling, you've got kids and shit. What's the workout routine? How do you stay so fit?

Or is it just you did all the work before, so now you can kind of eat healthy and you're fine? RJ is getting his yoga on, I feel like. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's where the yoga – you know what it is? I'm going to be really honest. So I live in San Diego, and we just raged in San Diego the whole time I was there. Like I partied, like fresh out of college, from Arizona. Everybody from Arizona typically goes to San Diego during the summers. So when NBA – when I was done and it was April, May, June, I was like, dude, I'm not going back to Arizona anymore. This shit's miserable. So I moved to San Diego. and rage party did all this stuff but you start to learn different things like for me like working out now is i don't i haven't played basketball one time although i will say this breaking news i'm thinking about making a comeback wait they got they got a senior league yeah but this is why this is why you're my guy i have i have a five and a seven year old and they love basketball and they always want to watch highlights and i'm sitting here like i'm still in shape Like I, my knees work, my back work. And I'm sitting here like my guys were, they were four and two when I retired. And I'm sitting here like, maybe if I just go play some pickup basketball, maybe if I dunk on a couple of people just for them, purely as them being my audience. They'll respect you. They'll finally respect you. Yes, finally respect me and like, listen to me a little bit more. But I am, I have not played a game of basketball since the last time I put on a jersey, but my kids are starting to like it more. And so I'm like. I can still play should I go play so that they can see it. So I'm thinking about making a park rec league comeback. No, you should. They need to know that Daddy still can get wet from the three. I don't know what the three is going to look like, but the legs are still bouncy. The legs are still bouncy. Daddy is still nice with it. Yeah. It's all about balance. I got myself probably to my heaviest that I've been probably this past winter living good. I was like two.

to just under 260 which is like i'm six foot seven whatever we always get we always get heavy in the winter time as as big men yeah we always get heavy but you know this the the summer body starts in the spring so i've rededicated myself i've got myself down to 250 my 240 is the goal but that's you got it because you know the ticker and we're getting old and you've been eating like a neanderthal excuse me i'm speaking like one also um You've been doing that, just eating whatever for your entire adult life because you were burning 5,000 calories every time. And now you get older and it's like there's still all of that red meat and all of that bullshit pumping through your veins, but you're old and you can't. You just got to be a little bit healthier. What was your go-to pregame meal? Because you guys eat nasty shit in the NBA. Yeah, we do. Because we have 100 games. If you're just like over the top of like, oh, I'm only eating this. I think my – okay, so like your pregame meal, you would have breakfast, you'd have breakfast, and breakfast could be a – like the breakfast spread is ridiculous. It's everything. It's omelet bars, waffle bars, pancake bars. You walk in there, and they have everything that you can imagine. That bacon by the – pound, ham, anything that you can think of. Damn, that sounds like the Four Seasons, Jason. Literally, that's what we had. We had a Four Seasons brunch for our team. Every team does it now. It wasn't like that when I came into League 01. The winners get the Four Seasons brunch back then. The winners get the Four Seasons brunch. Now everyone gets it now. But no, I would go something simple. You want to go something simple and light and just like chicken or not a ton of sauces. Especially when you get older. But if the game's at 7.30, what time are you eating the final bite? The final bite. The buzzer-beating broccoli bite. Probably around 5, 5.30. It's not a meal. It's probably just like... I don't want to even go like, oh, some complex carbs and a protein. That's nerdy. At 5 o'clock, you'll put a banana to the face or something like that. Yeah, you'll just like, oh, what do they have in the family room? Oh, they got a chicken finger? Okay, I'll snack on that. Because I feel like now these guys are taken a little more seriously. And I found out LeBron spends a million dollars a year on his body.

I was inspired. Well, a lot of that is because he believes that wine is the cure to everything. Oh, I understand. Hundreds of thousands of dollars on wine and says that's for his body. You see what he's doing there? So the chef's salary is $50,000 and $950 is going to the wine cellar. It's a lot of Opus One. Just how Snoop says that weed is his medicine, right? Like weed is his medicine. Like he says he spends a million dollars. It's not. He probably spends like 10 grand and then the rest of it is just on wine. 10 grand. Do you think that that's all bullshit? Or do you think it really does work for him? Like that's his... No, I think this. I think when you think of all the vices that a human being can... Because I know you're a little tough on LeBron, right? Well, it's just for my lack of respect for him. That's all it is. The guy's done nothing. He's done nothing for me. My kids like him too much. That's part of the reason why I'm trying to make a comeback. That's the most annoying. That's annoying. That's fucking annoying. Yeah, that's annoying. That's personal. That's personal. Space Jam was trash. We all know it. I took them to Space Jam. They had Space Jam toys. It's just whatever. But I think when you look at all the vices that a human being can have, whether it's smoking weed, whether it's drinking whiskey, drinking vodka, tequila, I think wine in moderation, a couple of glasses of wine, a couple of glasses after this, because the old NBA, they used to crack a six pack. vlade diva i'd be smoking cigarettes at halftime like the league it's same with old baseball and old football it's all different now good old fucking this it used to be cool to have a pack of marbles during the fourth quarter timeout right like that's so crazy it's actually it's i was talking i was talking my girlfriend's parents were in town and and they were like her mom was like oh yeah i smoked on a plane all the time and i'm like that is so fucking crazy to think about every time i think about smoking on a plane even when you're on planes that still have the ashtray you're like you're like like the ashtray yeah when was this plane made i think about that every time yeah yeah yeah i shouldn't be on a plane that's older than i am this should not be operation yeah well we all that's a good rule that yeah no that's true that's a good rule but i do think yeah the era of that that great um

I can't remember the pitcher's name, but that great documentary that was made about the pitcher. Doc Gooden, Doc Gooden. The LSD game. That's like the best. Well, baseball is different. Those guys still chew tobacco right now. Someone has tobacco in his mouth on the field. I think the baseball – the baseball – the baseball – They're the least – look, after golf, they're the least athletic, but they look better than they used to. I feel like they're taken a little more seriously. Yeah, well, I think now when you see how important the home runs are, if you want to hit home runs, unless you have a beautiful, perfect swing like Griffey – and I'm not talking about the juice. I'm talking about physically. You have to keep your body tight and strong. And baseball plays 160 games. Yeah, it's a long-ass season. It sounds miserable. That's just like every day. Also, what's up with those – why did the pants get so baggy? it looks like shit it looks like shit and that and that's fair you know i will hopefully you guys can edit that part out but a lot of that has to go back to the negro leagues and the fact and the baggy clothes so a lot of players have been like trying to get the baggy uh the baggy pants to like match but like so a lot of the players are like no that shit's too gay i need something yeah that's yeah again like Those are the things I guess we're going to say now. My word's not yours. I understand that. I don't take it in a negative sense. I'm just telling you what that is. And our listeners know that as well. There's a lot of paying homage. Please don't edit that out. No, of course not. So you're saying I need to kind of do my research on the history of baseball. Everything goes in ways, right? And I'll give you a good example and relate it back to basketball. It's that like one thing goes one way, then it goes another way. For a while, it was. the shortest of shorts with the Lakers. Then it was the biggest of shorts in the nineties. Then it was like normal shorts in the early two thousands, 2010s got to like the normal shorts. Now kids are really big into the short shorts, short shorts. They want to have that. So it's just like, you only have so many style options when it comes to your uniforms. It's like short shorts, baggy shorts, tight uniforms, loose uniforms. So now, now, now did, now, did you, the guys now also, they like to wear a lot of compression. Yeah. You know,

I don't think that looks great. You know what I mean? But I do understand. Why do these 19-year-old physical specimens just absolutely, you know, you don't see a patch of skin, you know, full arms, full legs. What's going on with that? That's style only. Some of it is style. So, like, it was funny about me is that I hated to have anything on. Like, I didn't want to have. The guys that have the pads and the compressions, they used to make fun of me and say I look like a creative player because I'm bald. I would wear no arm sleeves, no headband. Like a damn video game. Yeah, nothing. I was just in like compression. You came out stock. I was in a tank top, compression shorts, and my uniform. I'll say Richard Stock. Bring him out here. He's stock. Bring him out here. No rims. Don't put any rims on that one. I don't need a double Iverson visor just slowing me down. I get it. Give me the lowest model of a car. I want to crank the window myself. Oh, 100%. No backup camera. I'm looking. The handle underneath the seat to move it back. That's me. No, I agree with you. I'm the same way. You lived through the – I feel like you played through the trend of all this shit, like the pads, the compression. Because I feel like at one point, yeah, you put on a tank top with some shorts and some socks. The double sock was early. The double sock, I feel like, has been around for a long time. You've got to go double sock. Is that just protecting the foot? Again, choose how much your feet sweat. And understand this. When we used to do training camp, in a day, we would do about five hours. We would go two, two and a half hours in the morning. And then we would take like, and you would have, you would go, let's say, let's say you get there at eight 30, eight 30 to like 12. You're kind of done. It's not like you're grinding for two hours, but there might be film, whatever. have like a break and then come back like five to seven. So like you were on your feet for about seven hours. You better double up the socks. There's also a read. There's also a read. Now the technology and the shoes and Nike and that got better. But think about all the old school players that were rocking one pair of socks and wearing Chuck Taylors. They can't walk right now. They're fucked up. Like I played 17 years and my knees and back. They got they got they got CTE of the foot. Oh, the foot ankles. I'm about to do it. I have to do a Twitter spaces.

with bill walton after this talk about a banged up individual like 500 surgeries like bill let's talk about let's talk about those knees bill we got some time yeah the last i saw kareem coming off an airplane a couple years ago and i felt so bad watching him walk yeah man and but that's part of like that's part of the price you play and i don't want to go into this modern day gladiator bullshit but it's like yo at the end of the day like whoever these athletes are they have literally tried to focus their body for 30 plus years of their lives to be in peak form they would get acl injuries achilles injuries like like think of kevin durant and clay thompson these guys then all of a sudden would train themselves back to elite form after an achilles injury you're going against the best athletes in the world and you can still lose a step lose an inch lose this but because you've trained and you are such a specimen you can still get to the top That shit's going to come. That price is going to come at some point in time. Just like how you're talking about you could eat whatever you want back in the day because you're burning so many calories. At a certain point, they're going to pull your card. Oh, yeah. It's like, oh, you can. Because that's the other thing about it is that you can eat. fucking 10 000 calories a day right fine cool you're not even gaining a pound but then all of a sudden it's like no no no if you gain like if you stop playing and you work out let's say like three four times a week a little hour gym class little soul cycle little yoga once a week right just something simple to keep you know keep the eyes on the community next thing you know you you can't cut it from 10 to 5 You got to cut it from 10 to like three. And that's the area that like it just slowly gets up. And the older you get, the harder it gets. Did you have serious fucked up injuries or just I feel like you had one mentally, emotionally. That's typically. Like, is this going to turn into a therapy session? I'm okay with that. It can. Your knees are fine, but you've been beaten down by these freaks. Am I right? Oh, yeah. These freaks, these kids, these people, all this shit. No, I didn't have any. I did. I had an ankle surgery, a wrist surgery, you know, foot surgery. I was very fortunate. No ACLs, no Achilles, no knees, no nothing. And so just some maintenance stuff, you know, a couple of scopes. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Even though I'm the really tall one, I have a twin brother who he's about 5'11". He's a huge basketball nut. I know. Ironic, right? That's all right. I have a brother that's 5'9". Oh, really? And my mom is six feet. Really? Damn, he hates both of you. That's fucked up. Yeah, we can tell. Well, he's like a basketball expert and knows everything. And I was like, give me some intel on RJ. And he goes, oh, one thing about him, loads of fans hate him because they think he's an annoying announcer. Thank you for bringing that up to your audience. If anybody was listening to this, like that's a part of your audience, I was like, I don't know if I like him. He's like annoying. And the next thing you know, you're like, yeah, there it is. There it is. I know where he's going with this. I know where he's going with this. Jason, proceed. Proceed. We've been talking for the last half an hour, and it's been a wonderful conversation. I don't find you annoying at all, but I think everyone, every industry needs to have a little stinker. You know what I mean? You know, everyone loves LeBron. You're the only one who's going to step up and talk some shit. And I think a lot of people like that and relate to that because it's real and it's honest. But Chris, another bald king, aging athlete, he also is kind of a guy that a lot of people seem to have disdain for or hatred or annoyance by him. And you seem to be a little bit more zen and kind of clear with your mind and you've come to peace with. with being kind of the heel in a lot of ways. Yeah. Can you give Chris some tips? Okay. Chris, first of all. That was a long question. No, no, no. Listen, we'll work on tightening it up in post. right um i can do magic things with this magic and post right we're not even going to talk about like the baggy the baggy pants like see you guys won't get this reference because it was cut but yeah keep it in chris keep it in it's great fashion is cyclical fashion is cyclical uh no you know what it is uh i've always been this guy i wasn't big on social media like i didn't get instagram and twitter and any of that stuff until i retired so

I was always this guy, but I was just in the locker room. Like I was in the locker room and the media kind of knew. And it was just like the same person that everyone is seeing. And that's part of the reason why I get away with just being a little so crazy and out there and talking shit and cracking jokes is because everyone in the NBA, which is a small community, there's 450 players. There's only 30 teams, 30 coaches. So it's like, it's a small community. But everyone knows me as this person. So now that I get to go out there and make fun of Bron and people are like, oh, blah, blah, blah. And you're like, Bron just rolls his eyes. Yeah, that's just Richard. Like, that's just him. Like, yeah, don't pay attention to him. The shit's funny once you get used to it. We're all snapping on each other. That's just how it goes. Yeah, it's like, but it's also like, who cares? Like, there we go. That's what I'm talking about. Who cares? And the last part, Chris, that I think like, and I don't ever and I'll say this to you guys. It's like, hey, people. I'm letting you into our world. Don't complain about the view of the world that I'm letting you into. And I'm not the gatekeeper. I'm not the gatekeeper. Like, like I'm nobody. But like when I sit here and tell you about my experiences or I crack jokes about a team or I crack jokes about, you know, somebody. And it's like, dude, it's coming from a space of like, we're brothers, we're this, we're that. Like, that's how you should talk to your friends. If you're sitting there in a bar. with you two are sitting in a bar at buffalo wild wings that sounds like an oc type place if you're there and you're cracking jokes like how are you guys going to talk to each other if your two favorite teams are playing against each other you're gonna like say all of these things and that's the way that i try and talk and when people complain about that i just like to sit back and just be like i don't care i don't care what you think like just like me i can tweet at bill gates and he won't give a fuck right bill cases be like who great point great point why like even if i like i have a following people know if i tweet at bill gates that you're trash and you're microsoft 2090s the worst thing excel fucking sucks yeah he's not losing any sleep so i just approach the same thing like hey bro like you can tweet at me but like i can't express to you enough that like save your energy

I don't care. And the sooner you come to terms with that and realize that everyone gets treated not equally but fairly, then you just go about your job. Anyone can get the smoke. Anyone can get the smoke, which I subscribe to that completely. Unfortunately, I feel like... money is kind of involved i think there's like a certain point you know financially where you're like oh i don't give a shit you know what i mean because i'm i'm good yeah but you can't do that that's that's the one thing that i learned when i entered in social media i can't sit here and be like oh you don't know anything because i got i played 17 years oh no no i don't know i don't mean that i mean the mental like i'm like oh this doesn't actually matter because this doesn't affect the bottom line oh yeah yeah it's like yeah it's like guys it's like i'm not rich like i'm wealthy like there's a difference there's a difference between the two of those and i and i and i mean that in the sense of like i was very blessed and i defied the odds and i navigated some fucking huge potholes but like I come into everything with a bit of financial security. Like I do this because I enjoy it. I do it because I love it. I do it because it's fun. You do it, but you do it because ESPN doesn't make you go to Hartford anymore. You can do it from the beauty of your home. That's why you do it. I would be doing a lot more podcasts if I was stuck in Connecticut and having to work there. That'd be a little different. No, you just, man, it's when you come to anything with the space of like, I'm here because I love it and I have no problem ruffling feathers. I have no problem being wrong and I have no problem. not giving a damn as long as i'm respectful and i'll and this is one thing that really this is the part that i think really fucks with people there's nothing that i won't say on air that i would not say to a player on the bench if we were sitting next to him like yo that was a trash shot bro like there's nothing i won't say so with that

I say a lot of crazy things to my teammates. So that's why my team is like, oh, that's just Richard, blah, blah, blah. Like if Braun misses a free throw and it's in the fourth quarter, I'm like, I'd go up to him. I was like, hey, bro, stop point shaving. Can we win this game so we can go out tonight? Like those are the things that I would say to him. So when I say something sarcastic on air and people are like, oh, you said that about Braun. Braun's like, dude, he said far worse to me. So like, just keep it pushing. No, that's a good way to think about it. I think I subscribe. Jason, I think some of that stuff rings true for me as well. I think anybody can get the smoke, and it's usually pretty respectful. I think also something that I've learned is – and this goes back to the LeBron example. It's like punching up is usually a lot more accepted by people. You know what I mean? Like when I'm making fun of famous people, it's like no one actually cares. You know what I mean? No one cares. But there's certain – it's just really interesting what people respond. There's a couple stances I've taken that people really respond to in this way that I'm like, this is just a – Like, you don't know this person. You have no relation to this. Like, why do you care this much about Frank Ocean? Like, I don't understand. Like, I don't understand. Like, you either like it or you don't. That's kind of it. It's like, why is he off limits? You know what I mean? It's so strange. You're defending a person that does not care. Yeah, this guy don't give a fuck. Yeah. And even if he is your favorite of all time and someone gives an opinion, you're letting someone else's opinion that you don't know. about someone that you don't know affect your day and the energy that you put out right like i have no and another thing that i've also learned and i imagine that you have done i am more disrespectful to myself than anybody else that's right yeah now we're really getting to it let's start let's start with it like i will say the most vile

word i make fun of my bald head my tiktok is 90 jokes me making fun of myself not me putting out my chest of like look at what i can do like don't get me wrong every once in a while you gotta like let them know you gotta let them know you gotta let them know you gotta let them know you gotta ring and when i get a ring on the presidential every once in a while yeah yeah it's like yo it's like you just you wear the watch you just act like you're just talking normally and then like you keep it going they're like then all of a sudden someone's in the comment section like Yo, is that a gold Rolex? Oh, yeah. I was just opening my mail. I didn't even know I had it on. Yeah, my Cartier, I had to take it in. It was just like... It was like a limited edition. So I had to send it off back to Switzerland in order. I don't want to bog you down with the details. I don't, I don't, I don't want to bog you with the details, but yeah, this will now it's kind of a little bit flashy, but I just have to wear a watch and it's like, am I going to go buy a new one? And it's like, I was going to, but it's Tuesday and you know, watch shops like in Switzerland. They're closed on Tuesdays. So you just got to stunt on people. Everyone. But if you have mean to yourself. I'm pretty mean to myself, and Jason is also here to be mean to me as well, which is nice. You know what I mean? He's able to offset. He's offsetting my carbon footprint when it comes to – Offset. If he doesn't let a little air out of the balloon, then it's going to pop, and I'm there to kind of throw a little dart at it. If he won't do it, someone else has to. As you should, and you should embrace it. Embrace the hate. Embrace the – I've always wondered how self-deprecating but also self-defecating, are they the same? How similar are those two words for the terms? You're shitting on yourself and you're also shitting on yourself. I'm going to say that they're cousins. They're closely related. They both mean. You could say self-defecating. This is good. If you were to do a new therapy-themed podcast, that could be a name for it. Self-defecating? Self-deprecating.

the same thing defecating would ruffle more feathers on the apple podcasts you know what i mean not gonna lie sometimes i'd be shitting on myself yes that's kind of like the tagline that's what i'm saying that's what i'm saying like the fact that those two words sound so similar and basically yeah it's meant to be it's meant to be coming on the heels of 420 this is a nice little stoner thought richard i like where your where your mind 100 well my brain is still recovering from that moment from from yesterday i know you i know you were you were out walking on the beach all barefoot ass smoking something thinking about life you know no richard he's he's over 40 so he's on his little edibles now i'm assuming a little bit of both i gotta take care of the lungs um uh you know but no yesterday was my father's uh birthday and so his birthday's 420 rest his soul he was a big og uh used to smoke drink do all that stuff so you gotta sometimes you just gotta put one in the air you gotta pour one out put one in the air so like so 420 to me now has a different meaning right it used to be like at arizona we would go and like hang out and throw parties and go to the stuff which 420 parties are terrible because you never want to go to a party where everyone's hot. No, that's true. Not on weed. Not on weed. Great point. Not on weed. That's not fun. There's a bunch of people walking around talking to furniture and crying, calling them all. Everyone's sitting there waiting for the dominoes to show up. That's not – 420 parties will never really take off. I agree. I said this to Jason in the intro because I was running this morning on Melrose and the amount of food trash. God, did you hear the humbleness in which he's like, you know, I've just – like he could have said street. He's like, so I'm running down Melrose. Well, no, because Melrose has turned into like – stoner alley it's become it's become crazy and the amount of food trash was so extreme and i was like oh it's jogging down doheny yeah richard jogging down melrose is not a flex jogging down doheny it also depends there's melrose a long street but it is a flex i know i get to doheny sometimes depending on how long i'm going then he stops at soho house for a picante right like after that he works his way back

I do want to become – I have a friend who is that kind of runner where he, like, runs and will stop at Whole Foods, put some stuff in the backpack, do a little grocery shop. He makes a whole day of it because he's doing, like, 10 miles, 12 miles, and he'll, like, run errands while he's running. Those people are, like, the next Ted Bundy. Like, those are people. There's going to be like Netflix specials about like the ultra marathon runners that were just like running and like killing people, but they couldn't track it because of their miles. They're always on the move. The ultra marathon stuff is very extreme. And that doesn't interest me. I'm pretty extreme. That doesn't interest me. Are you a marathon runner? No, no, no, no, no. None of that stuff. I like to run a lot. I think it's like the most simple form of exercise and it's the most gratifying in a lot of ways. the marathon like getting a number and i don't care i just don't care this is this is my theory is that the people that are runners are some of the most well-adjusted people on the planet mentally that tracks for me yeah but yeah like if you give me 20 minutes and i'm running and then you know they like you get in your zone if i got into my head And it was just me and my head after a while and my thoughts. Oh, no, no, no, no, no. I can't. I can't. You're good. I mean, I can't. I mean, there's I know people. I know the people that run without music. That's wild. That's wild. Think about you're just with your thoughts. No, I'm good. Guys, you have to go into – but if you never go into your thoughts, then I think that's also very unhealthy. You've got to get in there sometimes, guys. There's a way to listen to Gunna and also be in your thoughts at the same time, and that is what running is for. Let's just be really honest with the amount of trauma that everybody has suffered at some point in time in some way, shape, or form. I don't want to be just with my own thoughts. God, no. That sounds like a dark place. It is a dark place. Jason loves to go there. Jason's a real fucking heady guy. Oh, yeah. I like a head-high sativa. Okay, I get it. No, I mean, I mix it up. I listen to music and podcasts all the time when I'm working out or whatever it is I'm doing, washing the dishes, but I also make time to go to hit Raw. I mean, you have to hit Raw at some point or else...

I mean, it's like cleaning out the garage or cleaning out the freezer. Did you just say hit raw? He did say hit raw. That is a great reference. He is also – I'm sure you have a sauna in your home. But Jason, if you look there behind him, he's got a – No, no sauna. No, steam room and hot tub. Oh, look at that. Yeah, so he's got this nice – Steam room and hot tub I would rather have. It cost him $6,000 to kind of get into his head, if you know what I'm saying. Wow. Some of us can't afford that. It's going to the landscaping. Everybody has priorities. Everybody has priorities. I'm having issues with some of that stuff because I did buy the frame TV and it's been impossible to install. We have some issues. Listen, I understand that. I understand the issues in Ukraine. I understand the food shortages. I understand the supply chain issues. Gas is going up too, Richard. Gas is going up. Part of the reason why he runs so much now. The issues that I have truly are like the flat screen TV and my landscaping. Those are the things. as you know you just chug out as he chugs alkaline water and just let's rip off i don't care bro i don't care i like this alkaline water just dropping richard you're kind of finally starting to see his uphill plight that he's been facing all these yes we we've talked about this and i dig it but back to the landscaping stay away from flowers unless you're unless you're your future your unless your future ex-wife loves flowers right Don't know flowers because they die. It's a seasonal thing that you have to post. It's a high maintenance. It's a high maintenance thing. That's true. It's a high maintenance thing. So, and I'm joking. Well, it's a four, but it's affordable. It's affordable to Maine. It's affordable. I feel like that's loaded coming from you. Um, and I've dealt with this kind of slander my whole life. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. You know what is funny? It like, so obviously with my name being Richard, I've heard all the dick jokes, right? And so like, if you named your son, like richard his name would be dick black like that is a great name that is a great name and then when they sign up for the military it'll be black dick black comma dick yeah just first of all my my none of my children will be going into the military but i do like where your head's at on that you got a lot listen this might date me but you got a lot of remy and you got a lot of rotc in like you're just putting out putting out the ro on your knees maggot

You're about to get slapped by some black dick right now. You keep talking up with that smart mouth. What is going on? Black dick's going to drop and give you 20. I'm going to give you 20. I hadn't thought about ROTC in a long time. That's really some repressed homosexuality stuff right there. Really? To me. ROTC is if you choose to do that in high school, like what, what is wrong with you? Like that is an insane thing to do. Family issues, financial issues. Yeah. Like, and look, ROTC, that was, that was a, that was a real, I feel like that's grooming. Can we say that they're grooming? They are grooming. They're preying on the week. Yeah, they are definitely preying on, they are preying on the week in that moment. But look, everybody has their own thing. Like I took. chorus and choir and i can't sing to save my life but i'll tell you doing it for the chicks 100 those choir bunnies in arizona oh baby yeah it was 22 it was 22 girls and three guys and it was the easiest a i ever got if there was ever a scenario for an elective all my friends were in shop they were in shop they're losing fingers you're in the back going like this guys have no fingers they're coming out with the fucking ashtray that they made for their grandpa i made a busted ass clock meanwhile like Me and the chorus girls are having slumber parties and talking about our next performance that we get to drive somewhere to. It's like, hey, guys, you guys enjoy that. We're going to kill it in Tucson. Oh, God. The Tucson medley choir. I was pitch perfect way before that shit was cool. Well, when you're coming into the chorus class with the basketball background, that's a one-two punch that's hard to resist. Oh, yeah. You know what it was? It was American Pie. You remember when the guy in American Pie also did chorus and sang and got the pretty girl? That wasn't me because I couldn't sing. But yeah, I was having to leave practice to go to my chorus. But it was the easiest A I ever got. The teacher was awesome. I would love to know what your coach said about that behind closed doors. Anything to keep my GPA up. Oh, I see. Okay, I see. Are there more choir classes that you can take? Everyone.

Whatever you got to do, big dog, we don't really care. Yeah, whatever you got to do, keep them in. We need you on Friday nights. That's kind of what we need. We need you on Friday nights, big dog. That's all that matters. I missed it. It was great. It was a good old time. Look, I've never seen someone with so much Arizona pride. Do you have a house at Havasu or no? Oh, no. I have a great Havasu story, but I can't tell it here. No, I don't. You know what it was? Let me say this. Even when you're in a position like myself, and again, I always say that I was blessed because a million things could have happened along the way that wouldn't have allowed me to make it or have the longevity. But you don't know what's cool. You're just going as you are. You're like, okay, where should I train? Because that's my focus. I can't live in Arizona. I don't want to live in LA. I'm going to live in San Diego. Okay, I'm living in San Diego. Okay, I'm training here. Okay, well, I can't stay here anymore because I'm just raging and partying. It's like, all right, let me move up. So Havasu and all these other places that are cool, I was never traveling the world and enjoying Havasu. But I did go there for a spring break. Don't worry. They are not cool. They're not cool. But have you ever owned a boat? No. Good. That's smart. That means somebody in your life knows what's up. You know the roles. If it flies, floats, or fornicates, it's cheaper to rent. Damn. You know what? That's good life advice. We can end on that. Richard just gave us some motherfucking bars. We just learned from OG today, Jason. Do you feel that? I have been put on the game many, many times in the last hour. What a blessing. If it flies, floats, or fornicates, it's cheaper to rent. Or at the very least, buy used. Oh, definitely buy used. Well, listen, if it can fornicate, there's a high probability that you're buying used. I got a couple of tings, but I got some miles on it. It's all good. Let's be honest. Listen, Chris, we know you're going to get married soon. Got a new transmission. I keep it clean, you know? Yeah, we know her dad listens. You got your chick on Bring a Trailer? My chick...

She's still past smog, so I'm good money. But we don't, but we don't, but this is the thing. We don't, it's just, it's like luxury, but women are very similar to men, right? We all got bodies. Everybody got stories. There's no judgment. But my favorite thing, I saw this ad one time and it said, hey, look. It's not used. It's pre-owned. That's it. But do you really care? If you put a pre-owned Aston Martin in front of me, I'm not saying, am I the first person to drive this? It's like, no, this is a beautiful vehicle. So men, women, everybody out there, stop counting your bodies. Stop counting the bodies. How many people have you been? It don't fucking matter. It don't matter. It don't matter. It don't matter. Yeah. And I like to, and that's why I use the certified pre-owned. If you have a little bit of an upper echelon, upper echelon. See what I'm saying? He doesn't even go use pre-owned. He goes another certified pre-owned. You're not buying a certified. You can't just buy an Aston Martin off one of the lots on PCH. No, you have to go to an Aston Martin dealership and buy it certified. Jason's laptop that he's recording this on is from the Apple refurbished program. It's not from Craigslist. It's not from Craigslist. Craigslist. No, he wouldn't do that. I haven't bought a new car in I don't know how long. Smart, smart. Because I just try and buy them used at any point. And you can buy them used with 1,000 miles on it. I'll tell you guys a funny story because of my wife. It's not even that funny story. But my wife, I just bought the Bronco, the newer Broncos. So you do live in Hermosa? Got it? Okay. Yeah, I do live in Hermosa. Thank you. So I bought that. I bought that. And I bought it used. And my wife goes, my son's in the back she's like hey hey you know you bought this you know this was like used and i'm like yeah i i know it had a thousand miles on and she was like well i just you know like on the carfax it's going to say that you're the second owner my kid from the back goes well it's still nice mommy like what are you focused on and i'm like you know what that's right son that's my guy that's yes it don't fucking matter if i'm the third owner you're white you're white

Your wife asked you about Carfax as a red flag. Well, we were just in the process of, you know, there's a car shortage, you know, because of the supply chain. You know how difficult it's been to get your alkaline water. You know, so it's like, for me, they're all out all the time. So, no. But you don't like the Bronco? No, no. I've never been in one. I just knew they were really hard to get. And the dealers are dickheads right now. Oh, yeah, yeah. They're playing like they got all the power, which they kind of do. But I think people are like, you know, the old Bronco, the classic 70s one where all, like, you know, DiCaprios and all those people get them and fix them up. Okay, like, you know, I'm not going to go all Venice hipster on you, but, like, I bought one of the old school Broncos in 1969 in, like, 2005. Redid it in, like, 2008. so like entourage was on tv you're driving around yes like i'm you know i like it's cool right like it cost me nothing now all of a sudden you're seeing that like 10 years later you're seeing people put a hundred thousand dollars into these things you're just like guys like what are you that's no that's not that like And then they're doing it to be the coolest of the cool kids, but they're devaluing the coolness of it by making it so like... It's a twisted circle. It's a twisted circle. Yeah, that's a good point. Did you make some money on that? Oh, I didn't sell it. I told my wife I sold it, but I gave it to my buddy in Arizona, and I just let it sit at his house, and I'm going to see which ones last longer. That's smart. He's holding it for you. Yeah, he's holding it for me. You said, well, you hold this. Yeah, I was like, well, you hold it and just... Keep it in your garage. You got guys willing to take a charge for you. That's good. Telling him to drive around a custom Bronco in Arizona, that's not really doing me a favor. It's more of like, sure. It's like a house sitting on the beach. It's like, hey, can you do me a favor? You're giving back to the community yet again. That is. That's who I am. This guy is selfless. This guy is fucking selfless. Take a little time for yourself every once in a while, Richard. Come on. I would, but I'm doing podcasts of people I've never met before.

I have no idea who they are. Shout out to my guy, Mark. Yeah. Shout out to Mark. This is going to do a lot for you in the white community. So I think that like, I want you to, I don't know how much help you need, but we're giving it to you. You look, I appreciate that. You know how like some, like, I don't want to say I have a past. I'm not OJ Simpson, but like what I'm saying is that like different, different kind of body. Yeah. Yeah. I definitely, I have lived in since I was probably like eight, nine years old and predominantly white neighborhoods. We can tell. We can tell. That is racist. You don't even know how racist that is. See, you might say because of my speech and how I'm intelligent on time because inadvertently that implies that traditionally that's not what you say, but it's cool. No, that's not what I was saying. That's a great point, Richard. He's like, how about your boy? How about your boy, Jason? That's a valid point, Jason. We're going to have to talk about this online. No, I'm just kidding you, Chris. No, let me say this. My mom was an English teacher and she went back. She graduated college when I graduated high school. and she uh yeah so she went back but my mom was always big on when we would talk no that's not how you say it or no that's not or no we're not going to have that music in the house or no where my mom was very my mom and dad very conservative people so like you know oftentimes people talk about how how i talk or how you know articulate all that bullshit is not because i was like come from like i went to private school or i had a great you know background you know because i was born in south central la left in the middle of the crack epidemic moved to arizona just to get out of what that was your mom just cared my mom just cared my mom was like we can live okay here in los angeles and we moved like nine people nine families from a church to arizona and we were like the First black people in paradise Valley and back in like 88, 89. So it just like my, my mom put a very big emphasis on how we spoke, how we carried ourselves because she knew what we were entering and where we were going. And if we were, you know, whether it was cops messing with us, whether it was teachers messing with us, whatever it was, she was like, they're not going to criticize you for how you handle yourself, how you go in the please, thank yous, the yes ma'ams, the yes sirs and all that shit.

That's part of the reason why I'm so crazy and psychotic now. No, of course. I mean, I luckily have the yes ma'ams and yes sirs for being raised in the South. But the rest of that stuff, I still speak like an idiot. So I'm glad that I didn't get that. I didn't get that from home. I talk like a teenager. Yeah. But you use TikTok more than me. So I don't know who loses here. Exactly. No one uses TikTok more than me. And I hate. I don't want to say I hate it. I love TikTok. I think it's awesome. But like. like i'm approaching my end goal and then i can just delete the app okay well look we'll look out for that there's absolutely no way you're going to delete the app it's too powerful and you need it too much you know what your end goal is or you just know that it's looming in the future do you have a piece do you have your godfather to tiktok that you're going to post and then just i'm out i like drop i thought about you know what it was so i had My goal at the start of the season was like, hey, I want to try and get to a million followers. Like I was like, let's try. I don't know what I'm doing. I was at zero followers the week the season started. And so I have just been like pushing content, pushing content, doing stuff because it's fun. Like I enjoy it. I enjoy podcasts. I enjoy cracking jokes. I enjoy interacting with the community. But it's like if you're really going to do sustained growth, just like a podcast, you got to put out once a week, twice a week. It's got to be like nonstop. People have to know it's coming. They have to look for it. They have to find it shareable. But after a while, that shit, everybody needs a break. And I was like, once I hit a million, I'm going to shut it down. Maybe I'll allow for people like, hey, this is when I literally was thinking about this the other day. I was like, hey, thank you, guys. This is a this is blessed. This is awesome. Thank you, guys. I'm going to take a break because I believe everyone needs to take a break. The content creator, we're starting to see it. The YouTube guys are burning out like the podcast. You can be honest with this, that your wife is going to let you sleep in the bed with her again once you once you hang up the tick tock. Well, that would be. Yeah, that's that's probably it, because she's just well, this is the thing. She doesn't mind it because it's not like women are coming after me, like 98 percent of my demographic are.

are young males that are probably saying that are listening to this podcast. That's right. That's right. There might be some crossover there. That's fair. Yeah. So like, she doesn't care. She's like, just thinks that I'm being an immature idiot. No, that was the part I was talking about. It wasn't about chicks coming after you. Oh, okay, yeah. She's not just like, why are you always on tickets? But I like the idea, though, of you being like, I conquered it. I did it. We're good. I can come back when I want to, but I reached this goal, and I'm going to figure it out. And I want people to send me content, and I'll support you and post on my page if I think it's awesome. Oh, I see. You're going to use it. Yeah, yeah. You reach your cruising altitude. and then we're coasting out and now everyone can settle and now everyone can settle down and like but yeah like yeah it takes a lot it takes a lot to get that plane off the ground it's like everyone's leaning back and you're holding on then when you get to that cruising altitude you can chill i gotta pee so bad yeah i gotta oh god it is a grind though because it's like you get i'm obsessive um and so whenever i get a goal in my head it's not fun until i accomplish that goal or until i at least get to a space where i feel like this is what this is where it needed to be and it could you can pivot but it's like if you set the goal and then all of a sudden three four five months it feels like it's attainable now it's just like well fuck here we go like you know you're not gonna stop it's in my sight yeah you're not gonna stop like three quarters of the way down a marathon you're like oh we're at the end it's gonna suck we gotta finish but like We got to finish. That's why you're a champion, RJ. Oh, you guys are awesome. That is why you're a champion. All right, RJ, thank you for joining us. It was a pleasure. Great potting with you, my friend. Thank you. Man, it's amazing. Where can people find you? Tell us. Don't tell them. Please don't find. Don't. Whatever. Walk around Hermosa Beach until you smell a black and mild with some cushion in it, and you'll find RJ a crib.

The problem is that you can smell that up and down. You can smell that up and down. That doesn't narrow it down too much over there in Hermosa. Okay. That could be anybody. All right. Thank you for joining us. Have a good day of content creation. Enjoy the playoffs. Yeah. Enjoy the playoffs, and we'll see you soon. Hey, guys. You guys are awesome. Thank you guys so much for having me. We love the conversation, man. You guys are easy to talk to.