810. - Lorde

All right, this episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by Stateside with Kai and Carter, a new podcast from The Guardian. And they are using this podcast to slow down the news and wrestle with the questions that we all have about what's happening in the world. And they do it three times a week, Jason. Does that sound familiar to you? We don't really talk about, you know, a lot of international global news items and climates and cultures and sports and things like that. We do talk about fashion and wellness, but for everything else, Kai and Carter are a great place. All right, so who couldn't use more news? Listen wherever you get your podcast. or watch on YouTube. How long gone? Beautiful, warm Thursday afternoon, early evening here in London. It's like 6 o'clock at night. And the sun is not going down until about 10, which is fucking with my mental. Why is that? Why is it so late? Is that a normal London thing? I think it's just there's a couple weeks in the summer where it's like this, where they get Scandinavia vibes. Serving Scandinavian realness. Okay, that's cool, man. That's very cool. Yeah, we were just talking about London, getting our little itinerary rocked up for our trip out there. early August for our show on August 4th. Looking forward to it. We've got a little after-party cooking. More on that later. A lot of people are wanting us to have after-parties in various cities. Yeah, yeah. Chicago. There's an offer on the table for Chicago. I'll run it by you. Yeah, send that over. Let me get eyes on it. I mean, I think that it's... I mean, why not? You know what I mean? It's like... I also think that the live show only lasts like an hour. You know, so you still a lot of night left and a lot of gas in the tank, depending on what kind of person. Yeah, you have to go to the show and then you have to smoke cigarettes and talk about it with other people for at least three hours, at least three more hours. And you've already look, you've paid the babysitter. You've splurged on Uber black. There's no reason not to stay out and have, you know.

seven mixed drinks and a couple bumps there i just can't find a reason not yeah can i get seven mixed drinks please i would love seven mixed drinks if you have them um but yeah it's really hot here it's like a full heat wave like 90 degrees but there's no humidity there's no humidity really but the i had to i went to river cafe last night with with carter and noah and we fucking i got on the train and i forgot that they don't air condition no air con on the tube no air con on the tube so it's it's hitting 20 degrees warmer than it is on the street like more than the pavement and it was just i got off because it's it's a little bit of a trip out there and i got off and just like was drenched it sucked it looked like i had run well had were you wearing any of your j crew shorts or pk polo shirts to kind of sweat wick that away That's a great idea, and thank you for mentioning that. But, no, I was wearing jeans and a T-shirt and one of Carter's shirts. I had an overshirt on, but it's kind of see-through-y. So it felt like it would bring me up a notch look-wise without adding to the body temp. But, boy, was I wrong. That was cool of Carter. So you spent the night, and he let you borrow one of his shirts. How does that work? And he's like, let's go grab a little bit of brekkie with my friend. And you're like, I just have a t-shirt. Are you fucking kidding me? I'm going to go to Mayfair. And he's like, just borrow one of mine. And then you're like, daddy vibes. Hey, last night was like super cool. Do you want to get a matcha? No, Carter Young. You look like you could use some coconut fluff. Carter is a friend who has a brand called Carter Young. So to be fair, I purchased the shirt. in question that joke doesn't work if the person owns a clothing company i suppose it's the only time that joke doesn't work but i i really appreciate it i like where it was going yeah i mean i really like you know as a podcaster you have to think in terms of clips and i'm just thinking right now you know a nice photo you know chris wearing a big oversized stanford you know perfectly worn in sweatshirt rowing team stanford rowing team like so sick i feel like i'm like i'm swimming in this sweatshirt it's so big and that makes me harder so broad it's crazy how big this vintage champion sweatshirt is uh yeah i like that i like that idea too uh unfortunately no but i've been staying up kind of late so i've i've i'm feeling weird i'm going to sleep like 12 30.

For the last, whatever, you know, three or four days. So you're out of album mode is what's happening. You spend one 36-hour trip in Pugliana. And now you're like, well, it's because you fucking eat dinner at 11. So, of course, you're going to go to bed at midnight, right? I mean, I have to go. Tonight I'm going to dinner at 9 p.m., which is extreme. And I feel like stressed about it because it's also a place where you have to wear a jacket. So I'm wearing a full suit. For a 9 p.m. dinner when it's 100 degrees outside. Where is the restaurant? It's called [redacted address]. It's like a club. It's Plum's. It's actually Plum and our friend Tallulah and then Conrad. It's a four top at 9 p.m. But I'm wondering, out of four people, who do you think will pre-eat for 9 p.m.? What would your average? What would you think? Me? Am I the only one because I'm not European? absolutely absolutely okay okay because but london's not a super late city like london isn't like spain or france that's true you know what i mean but also london when it's summertime and it's warm out yeah they lose we we are out in the streets as long as we can we're soaking it up because we only get 13 days of this right that's true no it's true yeah it's true I'm happy to sweat through my Nova check for this week because I know it's not going to last long. So what are you going to order or what are you going to eat ahead of time? Are you just going to have a cigar when you get to five? I'm just going to be chomping on a cigar. No, I'm probably going to try to keep it to a banana, a sensible banana. I feel like that's the ultimate pre-dinner. late dinner snack. Because if you go aperitivo mode, you know I'm going to eat a bowl of chips. And that's just going to, you know, nuts, chips, any of that shit. You guys should have just gone to Sexy Fish. That way you can have some type of beetroot marinade. I don't know. I love it. I love the beetroot marinade. That's kind of top of my list of bites I'd like. The beetroot marinade for $37. Oh, but yeah. So anyway, I'm here.

We're doing it. Great, man. What's up on your side, big dog? Because I had some actually British news that I did want to talk to you about. I just saw before we got on. Put a pin in that, would you? Yeah, well, last night we went to see Kate Berlant live at Largo. Yeah, yes, yes. Carolyn had a shoot in Hollywood. We met up at Stir Crazy. Delicious meal at Stir Crazy. Quite bomb. Had some bubbles. Had a nice swordfish au poivre. Had a good beetroot granita with some berries and whipped mascarpone. Those motherfuckers, those little wine dealers love a granita. And I love it, too. What a refreshing thing. It's hot out. I mean, I'm forever chasing the almond granita from Café Sicilia in... In Sicily. That's about as good as it bloody gets. I was eating that for breakfast, lunch, and dinner. And you're not usually into stuff like that, I feel like. So it must have really, really worked for you. You know, it being 138 degrees did lend a hand in my menu selection. Like, I'm not going to have the chocolate eclair. I will stick to the frozen almond juice. Yeah, that's right. Frozen almond milk. Can I get one frozen almond milk? Thank you. How was Kate? Was the show fun? The show was fun. She was cooking. She had a lot of interesting material. Since we're going to be in conversation with her at the EatsCon infatuation next weekend, I was trying to soak up any food-related stuff. She had a food chunk, as they call it. Oh, nice, nice. Because I would like to just be like, can you run down the five restaurants you hate the most that are here at EatsCon? But I guess we should do something a little more involved. I saw that EatsCon, they have Cafe Pana. i saw i did see that i did see that too no the lineup no on i looked at it the other when they sent us that email with like the run of show i was like this does look kind of banging don't patronize me no i'm serious i'm serious i'm like i mean i don't want there's some collaborations that maybe shouldn't exist you know but that's the spirit of things like this that's everything that's every bloody thing okay so she had some food she gave you some she she she got the memo

without without you having to talk to her yeah i think she was like maybe i need to bring out my pen and my pad and work out you know five minutes in the food space since she's going to be up on up on stage um and and luckily i think we share a lot of through lines with our opinions because i wanted to talk to her about sort of the whole entire concept of chefs as storytellers and She made a joke about that. I didn't even have to bring it up. She's already in the same headspace as me. Who would you say is the number one? If somebody said this chef is a storyteller, who comes to mind? I have my ideas, but you have so much more knowledge. Who would you say represents that? I guess all of them. They all want to. They all want to. But is that, you know what I mean? Like, what is the, do they have to have a chef's table? Kind of, yeah. I mean, I don't know. Like, every chef is telling their story, and, you know, it depends on what it is. Like, is your story, like, I'm going to feed you the food of my people? You know, I come from a faraway land, and this is my diaspora of my foodways? Or is your story just like, I'm a freak, and I can't do anything but? tell my story through food i don't know how to write and i'm not i love i love danny bowen too i love danny bowen too that's really it's really a good shout out but i to me i think it's like such a crutch saying that you're a storyteller uh with with your food because you know everyone is a storyteller with with their food if they are a chef um i'm trying to remember okay i don't want to butcher kate's joke but she was like oh you're a you're a chef that tells a story How about you just, once we nail the crisping up the edges part first, then we can get into... Then we'll get to the history of your mother's family and how it brought you to create this dish. Yeah. I mean, that's the problem. Everything is so attached to story now. And because of that, everyone prioritizes the story oftentimes more than the food. And you see it a lot on like cooking competition shows. I don't want to get too far in the weeds on this, but like...

You can't win Chopped unless your kid is... Yeah, sure, sure. My kid has ALS and I developed this menu. Unless your house was just destroyed by a natural disaster, all of your family has died, and whatever it is, no one's going to give you the win. Storytelling is in the same realm as community to me. I want the thing to be good. Everything else is secondary. I'm happy if the story or the community is strong and interesting, but you've got to keep me there with... a good pizza or whatever yeah the story has to also involve deliciousness you know it's just like i want the story to be like i want renee redzepi to be i was wandering through the fjords of of denmark and i stumbled upon this berry and i ate it and it was really good so i put a bunch of it in a basket and now i'm charging you 14 grand for it here and it tastes really good and that's the story versus like well my mom died at four and then uh so my mom was an addict and uh she only liked nachos so this is kind of my take on on my mom's kind of nachos she was trying to kick those perkies the only thing that she could get down really was a nacho supreme with a house-made crema and that's why i brought you a fully loaded nacho is the only thing she could keep down Oh, shit. All right, we have a guest today. Friend of the show, Lorde is joining us, and her new album is out in a couple weeks. I think a new song comes out tomorrow. Slash today? Yeah, slash today. Sorry, yes, on Friday. New song comes out today. And this is a long overdue podcast, so I'm glad that it worked out. Yeah, good old Lord has been a friend of the show for a long time. I mean, going back to the Tall Tales days. And I would always say, hey, let me know when you're ready to pod. And she would say, fuck you, Jason. And I'd say, fair enough. Carry on. Enjoy your beautiful music career. And it appears the time.

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It's so kind of vintage. Do you think it does anything or do you just like the way it tastes? I believe it keeps me well. I have one of the worst immune systems of all time. I will get sick once a month, for real. And I think of the green juice and the shot. keep it away but it has to be like proper evil what about wellness formula do you ever take wellness formula pills i don't fuck with the wellness i like i've done it i don't i don't know honestly three a day i used to get sick all the time come on take three a day no i take three a day too he put me on he put me on don't do it once you get sick just do it every single day and You know, I'm sick once, twice a year, probably. Damn. Not counting COVID. Can I ask Jason? If you're always ready, you never have to get ready, is what I like to say when it comes to my body. Can I ask Jason, what's the little strip? What's on your nose? Oh, no, it's just a nose strip, just a little. What does that do? You put it on your nose and then it opens up your nostrils and it allows better nasal breathing. I usually put it on sometimes, like when I'm doing my whole nighttime routine. I'll put it on at night, and then I'll do the mouth tape. Oh, okay. One of those. After he does his 12-step skincare routine and his everything shower, he's able to tape his face up. Just come get ready with me. I'll show you. Hey, come get ready with me. Carolyn zaps my face with this electric wand for a while. Oh, which one are we talking? The zip? The new? I don't know. It might be the new. It might be the new. All I know is I know that it's skincare time when I come home and it sounds like there's like a bug zapper on the... It's just like... Exactly. Yeah. What is the... Can you spell new for me? In you. Okay, I knew it was going to be an alternative spelling, but I didn't know which way it was going to go. Yeah, I zap. I zap with the new face. I think that's Joy. Oh, look, I zap with the new. I zap with the new. Oh, I'm zapping. Wait, what's up? Where are you guys? Are you in L.A.? Yeah, I'm at home. Chris is in London. Well, good tea, Chris. The big star tea. Yeah. Oh, hey, thanks. Very nice. I had to go to – I'm doing something with Selfridges.

T-shirt related, so I decided I should wear one when I went to the meeting. Wear a T-shirt? Wear a substantial T-shirt that'll turn their heads. Yeah, a shirt that the people I was meeting with definitely didn't know who Big Star was, so it kind of fell on deaf ears, but I tried. You went a little too far. Do you have a vintage Travis Scott or something that you could wear that'd be a little bit better? You were just here, though, too, right? I was just there. Yeah, I had a hectic week. They're just sort of doing pressure. And then I showed a video, which comes out tomorrow. Today. Today. Friday. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, it comes out today. You did that last week? Two weeks ago? Yeah. One of the great turnarounds of my life. Yeah. You're really making people's life hell over there at Lord Industries. We need this shit next week. I'm full hot mode. Like, this is just how it goes. I cannot believe that this is my life. I'm so exhausted. Well, I feel like that's a trend, though, of the quick turnarounds. And I think one part of it is people realizing, like, oh, we don't need to. We can just film a cool video. it'll take a week to, you know, the thing's two minutes long, but it's not, we're not doing Godfather 2. We can cut a cool video and have it come out in a week or two. And I noticed that you've been doing it, but also other people as well. It's just, we're moving quick and the attention, you know, like if it, if it, I mean, if we filmed it last week, it's already old next week. You know what I mean? We got to use our technology. I honestly think there's something to this. Yeah. Cause I, I mean, this was my thing with the first video we did, which was like, you know that to a crazy degree like we did that stuff in the park and then went straight to the edit and edited till three because I was like they always feel so stale I feel the kind of heavy like gloss coated vibe of the music but i'm like what purpose of the video i want to talk about i want to talk about the the clearances from the city that you have to get for that video personally that's what i'm most interested in do they do that on the goodwill or is obviously there's some payments involved but i feel like it's difficult you know i'm not super across all the permitting

I wanted to put you on the spot. I know you don't know what the fuck. You don't know what permits you're talking about. It was permitted up. We had it all, but I think that not to that number of people. Didn't you emerge from a manhole in it? Don't you literally emerge from a manhole? I do emerge from a manhole, but that bit we did a little earlier. I see you had that. Okay, that makes sense. I did want to be down there and hop up in the park. I thought that was so sick. But it would require me being under the park for several hours in a manhole. And it's very hot down there. Yeah, and manholes are famously connected to sewer systems, which is not really... Sewer system, you know, like full... Rat King. To me, that reminds me when you see the video of them moving Taylor Swift in a fake gig case down. You're like, hold my beer. I'm going to hide in the sewer for seven hours and then pop out. It felt fabulous to me because I actually saw a construction worker down there when I was in the park. I saw actually a construction worker peering into a manhole, and I immediately sent it to Deb. I said, look what's happening. I didn't know you could go under it. And then his friend popped up, and the first thing that popped out of the ground was an orange Gatorade. There was something about it that was so magical. Oh, that's nice. The Gatorade was under the earth. All right, so you're doing – now you're giving Gatorade a free campaign. So you're saying that his coworker – From the depths of hell lifted up an orange, glistening orange Gatorade, and he grabbed it for refreshment. That's right. That is beautiful. That's cool. If only Daniel Arnold was there to capture that moment, I'm pretty familiar. You know what I mean? Seriously. I've been so perfect. I'm the amateur Daniel Arnold. I have to say, you really painted a picture with that. Gatorade comes up a lot on this program, so I'm glad that you... Gatorade comes up a lot.

Okay, you know what I am into is the cucumber Gatorade. Are we talking about that? Because that's really the one. We're talking about that, Ellen. We're talking about that. The peppino. Oh, yeah, yeah, that's right. That feels like elevated spa water to me. That doesn't sound... Truly, yeah, no, it's fancy. It takes a more Latinx angle, Chris. It's more of like... like lime and cucumber kind of vibe. It's not necessarily, it's not like a Dallas Four Seasons spa water. It's got strawberries in it too. It's something that you, you know, when you're at the taco truck and the salsa is too spicy, a little, it's nice. I guess what I'm asking is how strong is that? cucumber flavor. It's perfectly balanced. It's tastefully done. You could make a cocktail with it. I think this should be a nice cocktail with it somewhere around town. Jason's going to put on his mustache and get to work on that cocktail. Don't tell me that. I'll line it up. I mean, I used to drink vodka and Gatorade as a restorative cocktail all the time in my early 20s. I'm sure you did as well, Chris, right? No, no, no, no, no. I actually, I've always been like a white chick that drank a vodka soda. I never, I never, I never really experimented with, with flavor. Yeah. Anything. Yeah. You know what I'm into at the moment? I think this could be revolutionary. I'm not a dirty martini person. That's not interesting to me, but I'm into the vodka soda with some olive oil. Oh, dirty vodka soda. What? I've never heard of that. Because the vodka sodas are boring. It is boring. And typically when we get the... It's quite hydrating. Because normally I'll get a vodka soda and squeeze a little lime in there, but it still just tastes like rubbing alcohol and ice cubes from a machine that needs to be cleaned. A little olive brine. It's a nice little glossy coat. It's good. Mouthfeel gets a little more luxurious with some of those oils. It's good. I see it. I see it. That is revolutionary. Thank you. I just don't like olives in anything, really. I just don't like the texture. Oh, I forget, Chris, that you're a child. I was just in Italy and then kept bringing... Well, let me say that I am a child. Thank you. I do look incredibly young, and I'm glad you noticed. But at this hotel in Italy...

this i've never seen this before instead of instead of like about this actually the influencer trip maybe we already talked about it on the podcast a little bit no we wanted to save it yeah most of the i know that you have a new album or whatever some bullshit you have some new dumb song whatever but we're here to talk about chris's trip in italy no i just because olives came up i really i really loved this it was like beside the bed at night instead of like a chocolate they put down a little dish and hold on hold on stay with me And it's too green and too black. And they look exactly like olives. And I was like, there's no way these are fucking nighttime olives. There's no way. So I crushed it. Don't touch my night olives. I crushed it with my fingers and realized it was some sort of candy. Popped it in my mouth. Marzipan. Delicious. Marzipan. Like they were. So I'm like. The almond to olive. I can eat olives now if they're marzipan. And I ate them every night. And then several people on the trip were like, yo, I thought those were real olives too. Everybody thought that's how good they looked. That's how good they looked. It was impressive. Night olive is cool. A little Italian magic. Night olives is really good. Okay, so wait. Tell me about the, tell me, this looks like truly like NBA Disney influencer edition. Like what was happening here? Did you have the whole hotel? It was top level. It was, yeah, it was like, I guess the hotel was like, 40 rooms how much is how much does this cost like do you think ballpark great question i honestly i honestly don't know but well we can ballpark it so how many people was it total 20 20 people okay 20 people business class flights from america to puglia and then two nights and then there was a hotel, but the hotel was the hotel. There's a collaboration with the hotel. So it's, there's a really, it's not like, and it wasn't a full buyout. There were other people there. Cause there's like 40 rooms. So I see. Okay. Okay. Okay. Nothing crazy. All right. I'm going to say, I'm going to say 375. Okay. Oh, I'm going. I'm going like 875. 875, kind of. Yeah, same. It's touching a million. It was very, very well done. I'm texting Sue right now. What's your guess, Chris? Every single thing. I'll stay in the middle of you guys. Tell me more about it. What do you do? How do you spend your days on a trip like that? You just go to dinner. You hang out all day, then you go to dinner, and the next day we went to the beach, and then we...

had dinner and then we left it was it was like a 36 hours and you just sort of very fast do some j crew like well i helped i helped put the i mean i helped put the list together because i work with them so it was like people i wanted to hang out with you know kind of to some extent so it was a good crew but i i realized that it's i was i was saying this earlier today that that's kind of the perfect amount of time because when you do shit like this and it lasts four or five days, you're kind of like, I got to get out of here. I got to get, I can't do this anymore. I can't make small talk all day long with people day drinking. You know, I can only do that for so long. But the hotel was magnificent. You can only pretend to play tennis so many hours of the day, right, Chris? Exactly. Well, no, Pierce, no, people were really playing. I just didn't have my gear and I'm afraid to hurt my ankle. You know that. Yeah, of course, of course. Actually, Speaking of your water bottle, I had a question. Do you put any powders or supplements or chia seeds or anything, or are you just doing straight New York tap water? I'm nothing. I'm no supplements. Every supplement I take, I fall off. I can't. I'm not. Come on. Who's got time? Oh, so we're breaking news here. You're natty because there was debates online. And you wonder why you're sick every other month. I know. I know. No, I don't. I can't. I don't know. everything's so techie. Where do you stand on ice? No, no ice. No ice. Keep it simple, you know. I'm trying to think of the ways in which I like. I don't even really like carbonation. Okay, I mean, that's fair. That's a stretch. There seems to be a trend in only eating and drinking warm things as like, it's like, you know, holistically good for your body. I'm not that either. I'm just... Your own brand of freak is what you're saying. I'm my own brand of freak. But I'm down. I mean, I don't know. The Greens powered up. I think it's bullshit, right? Oh, that's definitely bullshit. You guys influenced me to get Fatty 15. I fucking took that for a month. And then I was like, I'm never doing this again. We need those guys. Fatty 15, you owe us. Come back. Are they still in business, Jason? Are they still in business? Like, why?

What were you all thinking? It takes three to six months for you to see results. I want to be clear, Ella. What results did you see, Jason? It reconstructed my DNA. You expect to change your life overnight? It takes time. You became Brian on the inside. You're that guy now. yeah my skin is clear it's completely translucent you can see all my organs when we had to do like the onboarding call for that and these like scientists what were they weren't they like animal they they had the story was crazy and it was like really hard to keep a straight face yeah the people that invented fatty are ex-navy military members who specialized in dolphin intelligence training oh my god and they found out that this is not a joke this is not a joke and they and through their decades of dolphin work found that there's an additional amino acid that we've been sleeping on the entire time and that's where fatty comes in unfortunately we didn't sell much fatty which is why they're not a sponsor of ours anymore but we love them over there yeah it's fine they're part of our lore to me i think i you know i'm coming to see that i'm sort of anti Physical optimization on this level. I'm like, are we really spending precious resources on all of this shit? Says somebody who does berries three times a week. I think exercise is a different category, honestly. I agree. It could be the Roman times. I hate it. Roman times on the woodways is my dream. Let's get back there. Yeah, but I feel like you might do some sunning and some earthing. I don't know. I'm actually sort of like, When I'm in New Zealand, I'm a bit more like that, but I don't cook it up too much. I'm not too idealist, but I like to go outside. I don't know. Ride my bike. I don't know. I'm sort of anti at the moment. It's like anything else. It just becomes too much, and then people are like, wait, I don't need this. I'm good. I'm only trying to take on habits now that I'm going to have for the rest of my life. I'm so sick of...

Don't you feel like the last like 10 or 15 years of the internet has just been about taking on this easy new habit, doing it for some short period of time and getting that self. Like I have to, and I feel this actually about buying shit too. I noticed this recently because when you're on, when you're in album mode, the amount of shit that's coming into your life is so fucking next level. And I'm not really like a shit guy. I like my things. But I noticed this. I was like, getting something new, there's actually a requirement from you to split this little bit of your soul and put it into the object, like a Horcrux. You have to form this relationship with and love it. I feel this way about clothes. I'm like, oh, I don't want to form a new fucking relationship with another pair of jeans. I actually love forming relationships with jeans specifically. Oh, you like it? No, I think you're right, and I think there's... You have your things, you know, and they contain your specifics on different days. Totally. As soon as you finish that album, how many days, weeks, or months does it take until you feel like it's time to write a song? I'm absolutely... horny for it right now. I'm just dying to get someone to write a song with me. It's quite hard to get people to do it at the moment because we're all quite busy. So you don't have room for a new jeans because you're trying to write a song with new jeans. No, don't get me wrong. I have hundreds of new pairs of jeans. You said when you're in album mode, so many things are coming to you. Are you talking about... influencer-branded products that are arriving at your door? Exactly. I'm getting the Balenciaga handbag, the Gucci handbag, the skincare line. I do feel bad for you. My heart goes out to you, Ella. I will say, first and foremost, I'm so sorry. Jason and I get a bunch of shit we don't want, and at least yours you can sell for money. I mean, that's the best part. I feel like brands shouldn't give me anything because I'm never going to post them, and I'm probably going to give them away. Don't say that. Don't say that. Slow down now.

Someone from Huxley pops in. They're like, we're going to want to cut that. Yeah. Huxley's in the chat. No, no, no, no. Well, I think that there is a world where I would, if I'm a brand and I'm sending you something and you don't necessarily want to use it, I would rather you give it to someone who would than have it sit in your closet. You know what I mean? Or be sold. Like that seems like a nice thing to do. I mean, I just, I'm like, come on guys. Like I haven't been on social. I only just come back into social media after years. Where's it going to go? Well, they're just hoping that you'll enjoy this necklace or bracelet that they sent to you. And you'll be, you know, maybe a photo of you coming out of all time and you're wearing it. All time in the striped Mew Mew polo. Or they just love you. And, you know, somebody who works at that company just loves you and wants to send it to you. No, it's very sweet. And I am very grateful. And I hope your expectations are. well because i no but but you're in a sweet you're in a good sweet spot because nobody nobody's ever gonna fall expect it like when they when somebody sends me something and it's ugly as fuck they're like so you're gonna post that they're never gonna ask you to post it because you're never gonna read it but for me they're able to get to me and guilt trip me i think they would ask her to post it and there would be a number after that that would be a payment for the posting. And that's the difference. At least you get the offer. At least you get the offer. But you're never going to do that, right, Ella? You're never going to do a paid post? Or have you already done it before? I have never done a paid post. Wow. And I don't, I feel like I'm probably never going to do a paid post. I think that my work is spiritually pure zone in that regard. Like, I think something happens with you. take money but i have done some like privates and stuff for bad rich people i know you did it you did a private for the sultan kept that on the low i get it i think i did an amazon private which is crazy like can you believe i did an amazon i didn't really like know much about amazon many years ago

Never do that. Was it like Bezos's birthday? It was like the Christmas party or something like that. The holiday party. Ella, I'm sorry. I know that you have morals and standards, but you got to do that stuff. Who gives a shit? You know what I mean? You're not part of the problem. I didn't really do that stuff. There's so much bad money in music. It's all just bad. It's all evil money, but I don't do... I think, honestly, because I can't sell it. I can't sell the dream. You can't present it that way. Some of my peers do it, and I'm like, if I was this good, if I could do it this naturally and make it seem fun, and I want to be drinking that drink, I would do it, but I can't. It's not good. But I think you also come from a little bit of a different time. I do. I really do. You've had a record deal for a long time. When you started, it wasn't really available like that. Things didn't really exist in that way. Yeah, no, I think that I am from a different time. I totally see that. It's so interesting rejoining the stream every three or four years when I have an album come out. I'm like, wow, you're really walking into a whole different room every time. Yeah, definitely this time I feel how different it is. But it's cool too. I really like some of the ways it's changing. It actually reminds me at the moment kind of of. like, 2013. There's sort of no rules. It's very open. I mean, there are rules, but there is an openness to it. And people really don't know what's going to go, you know. And so I think everything moves much quicker. Like, it makes things a lot more fun. I mean, the number of things that, coming out of Soul of Power, it was quite, my stock was not, like, you know, it was not on fire. We love her. We love Selva. But I remember, oh, yeah, like at the start of the cycle, you know, sort of like trying to be like, maybe I want to be on this cover or I want to sort of book this thing that maybe I want to go to Met Carly. You know, I could not get.

Anything. It was actually very... Oh, so you were like ready to play ball and they weren't answering. People were like, you know, nothing at this stage. It was quite mellow. It was so funny. I went to Coachella and that Monday it was like, do you want to go to the McDonald's? Do you want to... This band wants to work... It was just like all on. I was like... How many times have you been? Is this the first time you went to the Met or have you gone before? No, I've been four times. Oh, you have been a lot. I was just going to say all you had to do was put a little stripe of tape on one of your shoes and they're like, all right, it's Met Gala, let's go. Literally just that. It's amazing. She's got it. She's got it. The three M's out. So you've been to the Met a few times, you said. I've been to the Met a few times and I... I think I'm, like, one of the few people who doesn't have, like, a full existential crisis. Like, I think all of my kids are in deep pain. No one is having fun. But I actually have fun. Because the clothes are so uncomfortable or because of the process? No, I think people feel that the stakes are very high and that, you know, they want to look really good and it's so scary and hard to pose and all this bullshit. For me, the ceiling is quite low. You know, I had full cystic acne this year. You know, so I'm kind of like, what's going to happen? I'm going to look like, I already know. You know what I mean? My hopes aren't that high. For what you do. The Met Gala is not going to affect anything that you really do in your day-to-day person. No, I'm more just saying, like, how hot am I going to be on that carpet? You know what I mean? I know what you mean. But I don't think people – that's funny that you say hot because I feel like that's not the point. No. I don't feel like people want to look hot. I feel like they want to be noticed. in whatever and not from like physical appearance from the look itself it's the one time no yeah like nobody's like i mean you you were you were relatively revealing in the tom brown but like there's no like titties out at the met gala that's not the vibe you know it's like even i don't i don't care what the theme is but it's like it's a little more it's almost reserved in some ways even though the clothes can be crazy this episode of how long gone is brought to you by

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There's so many people in those rooms. It's so extreme. I couldn't believe it. The first time I went to the Carlisle, I couldn't believe it. I didn't know it was this crazy. I had no idea it was that crazy. It's so ridiculous, but it was fun. Speaking of parties, on your website, there's a little thing where there's a bunch of words. Go on. Biking, smoking, swimming, new strength in my shoulders, feeling something awakening. First time taping my chest. So scared to be him. And then lastly, the GQ party. And I'd like to know what what you mean by the GQ party and what happened there. Is that or is that personal and private? Wow, guys, we've arrived. We're fucking getting into it. OK, we need to actually it's cool because the song. Oh, wow. Do people know how long this is in the making? I mean, really, we could take this back to, like, when I was 15, I was listening to Jason's podcast. You were 15 then? Doing my filing job. I was 15 years old. My filing job, listening to Jason. How do you think you came across Tall Tales? I think because I followed I'm Boy Crazy. Oh, Alexi. And I think she went on it. And then I was, and then I was at, so that was back then fast forward to, uh, late 2023. I, I think I'd become a hell longer listener against my will because it hurt Chris flame me up 2021. I didn't know what I know. Now you're flaming. I have been called a flamer before for different reasons, but I get what you're saying. Anyway, I came to your shop and that's when I met you guys. And I was so stunned and I didn't know that I was coming backstage. And I had this crazy experience and there was something. This is crazy. I've never told you this, Chris. I had this crazy experience.

meeting you i was like what's happening to me right now because i found you so like charismatic you like looked cool you're just cool outfit on i was like do i have a crush on this person i was like i think so then he went home and i was like i think i want to like be him or channel him or something there was like something about you that i wanted wow it was like this so like the saying goes where it's like women want him men want to be him it's women want him lord wants to be him so i put a picture of you on my mood board we're just fucking going here i put a picture of you on my mood board not really you it was just sort of your like t-shirt and blazer very cool sure sure and um and then we were in the studio like a couple days later and We start writing a song that comes out today, which is crazy. And I just start kind of unconsciously channeling you. Your vibe. Okay. Okay. This is great news. This is all beautiful information. Do you think I will be able to tell that when I listen to the song? No, no, no. I don't think so. It's just sort of like, I don't know. It was like walking around New York a lot. I understand. Feeling this sort of like. I don't know. Let's do it. There was a lot of like possibility and potential and every day felt, you know, yeah, just like there was something to grab there. And I sort of observed that in you from afar. So you were able to sort of usurp his energy. But now I'm wondering. So much like Fatty15 rewiring someone's DNA, now I'm wondering how Chris was influenced by you subconsciously because I know maybe a month or so ago, Chris was like, I rode my first city bike. And I was like, well, who are you? And then like two weeks later, he's like, I have a membership card now.

And I'm like, who are you? And then because Lord makes music for people who take mushrooms and ride the city bike when they're coming down, you know, eventually. Chris is riding the city bike. You guys, maybe there's some more. There's a transference of energy, a transference of energy happening. The door goes both ways. Well, I'm very, I'm very flattered, honestly. You believe that? Isn't that crazy? Well, it's crazy because you have more talent. There are a few male muses. Let me be clear. Like Dave was a male muse. They're kind of a German. Like it was sort of stuck. I want to keep. My point is these guys all do something good. You know what I mean? I talk. It's very different. You podcast good. We podcast good. Dev Hines can play the accordion better than you. Dev Hines can play every motherfucking instrument. Of course. So it took somebody like Chris Black to inspire your new sort of sexually fluid journey, which I think is very cool. I mean, that's not an insult to you. I'm powerful. I don't know what to tell you. I think I was feeling, like, quite horny in, like, a straight girl way when I wrote Hammer, to be fair. Like, I don't think it was giving. Okay, I see what you mean. I see what you're saying. From the place of a straight, horny. But I was like, what if, like, a horny straight girl has this kind of, like, slightly macho, like, there was just something almost sleazy. I don't know. There was something. What's up? We going back to your place or what? I'm a chick, brother. Like that kind of vibe? Well, I know what you mean. I know what you mean. Because I think as a straight woman who's conveying horniness in popular music. I didn't want to be coy about it. Yeah, yeah. Anyway, take from that what you will, Chris. You were part of that. Look, I'm happy to be a part of anything. I'm happy to be a part of anything. You know that my only dream in life is to be a musician. I have no talent. So if I can get any way I can help out, you know, get close to it. Well, Chris has become a muse. You're a muse. For those who can't do, be a muse. For those who can't do, they just show up. That's exactly the attitude. But I feel like we need to go back to the Man of the Year party. So, okay. So this is all happening the same week in LA. So I write the song. So the song Man of the Year is about the GQ Man of the Year party. Wow. So we go to this party, right? So we've met at the show. A few days later is the party.

I go and I'm in this sort of like, you know, I remember seeing you in the red card line. I was like, well, I feel so lame about my outfit. I was like, I feel like you'll be one up. It was not, it was not three giving that cool man. But I mean, it was a nice dress. No hang. It was me, you, Jason, and Cassie David, right? It was precisely, yeah. I feel like that was the crew. So when you saw the red carpet, you're like, oh, this is like a big, fancy thing, and maybe I'm a little too casual? Is that what you were thinking? No, not even that. It was that I wanted to feel like myself in the way that I could tell you guys didn't use suits. Not that I even wanted to be in a suit, but I was just like, ugh, I don't want to be the kind of girl that's trapped in this. hot dress like sure um but we and all night i was feeling it i'm like man you know and then the next day yeah we were like kind of hungover and i went over to jimmy's to the studio and i was like you should write a song called man of the year about me so sit down for this i have an idea you guys were like really like swirling on the periphery two key songs did it fall into did it fall out of you or did you have to like was it one of the did it like you sat down yeah yeah yeah totally no no it fell out and i and i had the whole like chorus that day and stuff and uh yeah so together but yeah so consider yourselves like hooked and i love i love it so where do we talk about like the point like the point structure on it like i don't i'm not looking for a big cut but I'll take a full name. Thank you. I don't need any money. I make money other places. It's all good. You know what I mean? Do whatever you want to do. My likeness is free for you. Well, I guess after writing that and then now that you've got that feeling out of your system, is that going to inform or influence how you dress or has that already changed how you dress and present yourself publicly? Totally, yeah. I mean, I feel like I just instantly got...

some t-shirts that I liked more than my old t-shirts and started wearing I was only making the album all I wore was I could not put on girls clothes it was kind of crazy all I wore was these black jeans that I'm wearing now t-shirt zippy hoodie it was like very kind of some weird uniform And braids. I was always braided. I remember running into you in the, I ran into you on the street in like the East Village one day. That's right. And you had that full outfit on. You literally had that outfit on and you had the headphones on. And that was sort of like the last gasp of my like crazy girl outfits. Cause I remember I was in some, um, cape sweater that was really like yummy mummy sweater. I remember being like, I cannot, in my teens, I bought all of these sweaters that were like. kind of like decadent mom, you know, the rose. A yummy mummy Kate sweater. You just put it on and you go, mmm. They also had big drapey sleeves and a bit yummy, you know, not like. not my sure that does the yummy mummy sweater stays on i'm too young i'm too young i mean you've had you you have in many ways though you know grown up in front of a camera so there's there's room to there's room to experiment and grow and figure it out as you go along i think that's everybody gives that leash totally and you know what i think also it was like really i remember coming to america and all of a sudden feeling very classless and um yeah there was something that was like really and i was like i've got to own content like buy all these chic sweaters and kind of communicate that i you know because i dropped out of high school like i'm not an educated person i didn't know you were a high school i wouldn't know you were a high school dropout welcome home 15 i dropped out at 15. did your were your parents cool with that or were you like fuck y'all they actually were very cool they i basically so i had um uh develop a deal with Universal New Zealand and I had made the I'd made like Royals had come out I think and it was like doing well and the label were like do you want to leave school for three months to make an album

And I was like, Mom and Dad, please. I need to leave school for three months to make an album. Imagine asking a 15-year-old that question. You want to leave school for three months and make an album? Like, fuck yeah, bro. Let's do it. I know. And they were really cool about it. And I don't think any of us knew that I was for sure leaving. Well, you came to the table with a real opportunity. You know, I came to the table with less of an opportunity and less of a plan. Wait, so you dropped out? Yeah, yeah. At what age? junior year i guess so like 11th grade so i was probably 16 17 16 17 and this was to do music stuff no this was just because this is just because i didn't like it and i was to kind of hang at the mall and it was to hang out with other dudes in a parking lot most of the time i don't know it just was a different it was a different time where if you said that or you did that people were literally like your life is over Like you are going to amount to nothing. You're going to be on the street. Right. Which has completely shifted in 20 years. I would say, I'm not going to say college is discouraged now, but I think it's very much less of a you must and more of a you can. Was there any part of you that was like, what's going to happen to my life? Like, what am I? No. And that's the fucked up thing. Chris has a blind confidence, as you'll see. But I don't think it's good, necessarily. I just think that it's always just been one foot in front of the other. If bad stuff happens, it happens. If good stuff happens, it happens. I have no control over it. But were you ambitious? Yeah, very ambitious. But more ambitious enough that I would always have a job. I had a job when I was 50. If you have a job, the whole time your parents kind of leave you alone. A little bit is what I find. And you were still straight edge at that time. Yeah. So you're not getting into trouble. Yeah, there were no girls. There were no drugs. It was really...

It was really, there's nothing they could really worry about. You know what I mean? Got it, got it. Nothing they could really worry about. Maybe just some light weapons, but otherwise. Yeah, just light weapons. But I do, I understand what you mean, though, because when I moved to New York and everybody I met, like, had gone to NYU or some other Ivy League school, I was like, oh. maybe college is cool. I see how people value this and I don't have that. And I'll never be able to offer that to any, you know, I'll never be able to be part of that club. I mean, even like, it's hard to even like describe, like I remember going to a restaurant and I kept saying that everyone was putting the napkin on their lap when they ate. And I was like, why is this? Like the customs were so not. known to me you know that's what makes you interesting because you had to learn all that stuff yourself versus having it beaten into you you know in a cotillion class and then you end up cutting yourself hey don't come for me don't don't come for me don't come for me i do know which fork to you yeah i really did not so that's why the sweaters that's why the sweaters so you were overcompensating by spending money on sweaters totally because i was like smart i could read you know i was like i i need to telegraph this And I actually had a moment at the start of 2022, I remember, I was in New York and I was like, oh, I might go up to the row and get a sweater. And I was like, bitch, the next thing you buy has to be something that a young person would wear because you're on the night. So you put yourself on probation. You're about to be. I looked at myself and I was in this sort of chic old lady earring, chic old lady sweater, chic old lady trousers. I was like, nope, we need a young person. Okay, so you picked up your Uber and you said you changed locations to Brandy Melville instead. Driver, turn around. Pretty much, honestly, pretty much. I needed some of that. And now I'm like the balance. Yeah, you have to find the extremes before you can come back to the middle. Totally. And it takes channeling Chris Black to do that. But I guess speaking of, you know, cosplaying as an adult when you were not one yet, I feel like, you know, the earlier portion of your career in songs and output has made you a role model for young people.

And I feel like now this album, I've only heard two songs because I didn't get the advance, which is fine. But I feel like this record is a lot more or could be adaptable or absorbed better by adults because adults are also going through breakups and stuff too, right? This record is unfortunately not. You shouldn't play this to your children. It wouldn't be right. I don't think they, I don't think they can hear it, which is, I feel like I freaked them out with what was that. The kids are kind of, my friend's kids, you know, they've seen me videos. I'm like, you can't find anything else from this album that you have to sell. Like, I'll give you this one, but there's going to be 10 or 12 others that you can't touch. No, no. And the vinyl, I mean. You cannot buy the vinyl for your children. I'm making a PSA on it. You can buy the CD for your children. You cannot buy the vinyl. Does the vinyl have a tit on it? What's going on? What is the reasoning here? Are the lyrics different or is it an image that is not fit for... It's image-based. I think it's beautiful. I honestly like... This album just had to be what it had to be. There's something quite raw and primal. um it just yeah it had to be fully itself it's really of the body and I and I was also really having this thing because I came back on social media in like 2023 maybe and I was like why aren't I seeing anything I feel like I'm seeing this very kind of I didn't understand the kind of like the tightness of the censorship like I understand it now like TikTok's always getting flagged by having like a bra strap in them you know you can't say wantiness on tiktok like i had to amend my caption i knew that i wondered why jason wasn't on tiktok he was so resistant but now now it makes sense but i was like there have to be some spaces where we're seeing stuff do you know what i mean like that's art like i was just like i can't

I can't sense it all the way in here. You know, this is like the one space. We need safe spaces for adults. We need adult spaces. Well, I was listening to both of the songs yesterday in the Uber over and over again and just, you know, letting it wash over me. And I was thinking that it would be great to have an instrumental version of it because the songs are so kind of vocal in their own way. Like it's not like you on top of a track. It's like the song is already like a finished track and the instruments are speaking the way a human would speak. And I feel like you can just, I mean, we can use AI to take your vocals out and just release the kids' version because I would love to see, you know, it's music that you could put it on and kids are just going to flail around and dance and go crazy because, you know, the sounds are crazy in a good way. Well, it's very sweet, we'll say, you know. Yeah, I don't know if anyone thinks that I'm... I'm not good at that. When you did the thing in Washington Square Park, I texted you. I was like, should I come to this? And you were like, basically, no. And I didn't realize what it was. And I was like, well, I'm walking to dinner anyway. Let me just stop by. And I was like, this is absolutely insane. I could just tell those people cared, if that makes sense. These people fucking cared in a way that we're going to stand here as long as it takes, and we're going to take over this park, and there's going to be thousands of us. I just did not know what I was walking into, and I was like, oh, this is a much bigger scene, and these people are really committed to this more than I realized. Totally. I mean, I had the same thing with that, but I think that part of what I hope people are... into about me is that i'm not that i don't get it right all the time and then i you know i am and particularly with this album like i'm really trying to be um yeah someone who gets it wrong because i think we don't see enough living breathing you know like a working nervous system that corrects itself

good for us as people. Well, hey, look, we get it wrong on how long gone all the time. That's something we bring to the table. That's something we're not afraid of. That's part of being a good role model is showing your faults, improving, learning from your mistakes. I feel like you never get, it never touches you, though. You know what I mean? What does it? I don't know. I feel like you've never been cancelled. There's never been any big dramas. But I also think that's what's cool about this space is that you do kind of like... You know, we dance near the edge. I just think people talk. It's all context and you're only as canceled as you want to be. But I think people can sense. I feel like people can sense whether a person is good or not. I agree. This is my thing. I agree. And if a good person says once or twice a year, it's fine. I just don't think people. I think people want. I think everyone would love to speak more freely, but have been conditioned not to. And they do. They do probably with certain people. You know what I mean? You have those friends. Yeah. And I think in some ways we are those friends. Like, I think it's like, well, to me, it's always laziness. It's, it's all laziness based where like, I don't want, I'm not even going to touch it. I'm not going to go there. I'm not, you know, and it goes back to like happy wife, happy life. Like I'm whatever you want to do. I don't want to be like. It's just taking the easy way. Hey, hold on. Pump the brakes. Happy wife, happy life is real, but I know what you mean. That is not real. That is not real. I know what you mean. I know what you mean. No, I'm down to, I think, letting it hang a bit more, you know, while also, like, trying to be a good person and have your morals and stick to them. You seem pretty happy. I love my life. I have the sickest life. I had no sense of this until a couple years ago. I was so, like, stuck in my... job it was so scary to me i had really really bad stage fright i don't know i was not tapped into the kind of magic of it now i'm like i get to go on these years long scavenger hunts around the world just like making finding cool sounds and you know like cool language and pulling it all together and then going around the world again to like show that to people like what could be sicker you know

But maybe this is why I don't have any brand deals, you know, because I because I'm a bit loose. Hey, look, I mean, you don't need to be a real person. But I think there's I think there I think we're swinging back towards what you're talking about to some extent, at least at least in some ways, in some places and what you see. And I don't think like it's I do think it's important to like. Try and be a good person and to like have morals. But it's unrealistic. It's unrealistic to think that. I don't want a robot. I'm uninterested. Yeah. Is this a weird how we're gone? No, no, no, not at all. This is pretty normal. Speaking of Chris talking about how big the reception was when you're at the park a few months ago, I feel like you're. Your type of your fan is such like a wide net. And I think that maybe now with some more albums under there, have you noticed any like through lines between your fan base or maybe like micro genres or groups of people? that you found as more time has passed? Because you see like a Charlie fan and you're like, oh, that person is here for the Charlie show. It's like very clear. You see any gay guy and you know he's there for Charlie. So it's pretty easy. You know, the Addison has like a type of, you know, you can, but for Lorde, I feel like Lorde casts such a wide net of everything. And I wonder if as time has passed. you know, like I was saying before, like genre of people who do mushrooms sometimes and ride city bikes. Like that is an emerging micro genre in your fan base. I hate this. I hate this. I know. I feel like I should start getting fined for the amount of times I've done psychedelic therapy. Like that's a fine. No, well, that's why. Look, we've all done mushrooms, and it has changed our brain for the better, and it's good to share that. I know. I don't agree with you to change my brain for the better. Just imagine how much of a monster you would be if you never did an epic dose, Chris. That's true. Yeah, that's what saved me. Like, you're so bad right now. I'm trying to think about my fans. I'm like, what's the above? I feel like...

Other than just being like sweeties. Yeah, they're very sensitive. I honestly think your fans are a mirror for you. Don't say that. Don't say that. What do you mean? No, I'm joking. You just said Chris's worst nightmare. Yeah, I think you sort of gather this group of people that is you. Yeah, no, I think you're right. And Chris is like, can we just have the hot ones in the front, though, or something? I think that's fair. I feel like I really know a How Long Gone fan. I really know them. Say more, my friend. Say more. We'll do each other's fans, okay? There's a lot of them at the Oaks. I think there's a lot of them at the Oaks. There's definitely a lot of them at the Oaks. Unfortunately, that does feel like a hotbed of listeners. The Oaks Gourmet, a Beachwood market where you get a cute little salad for $57 and an iced coffee. Off you go, get a bottle of wine for $400. Great spot. A classic. I mean, that's what we want. I guess speaking of food, do you really make meals and not eat them? I, uh, when I, when I sort of had an eating disorder, I was making a lot of food. I didn't know. I didn't know that was like, I didn't know that was, is that something that a lot of people do? Is that like a common, you know, I don't know. Part of the problem. I don't know. But I, but I like was just so kind of fixated on food that I think I was, I definitely noticed it was like more being made than consumed. Or I would make something and then sort of like, uh, go in circles about like why I, wasn't allowed to eat i don't know it's a whole it's a whole meeting well i mean i didn't mean to bring up anything uh eating disorder related it was more as a food just because i consider uh the process of cooking food as like a really like stabilizing restorative thing if i'm feeling anxious i love no i love to cook and i'm also like i cannot waste food like i will take a fucking No, come on. You're not leaving all time with a doggy bag, are you? You know, you've seen it, Chris. I tried to shame you. I tried to shame you. I tried to stop you. And you said, no, no, I'm taking my D-bag with me. Oh, take absolutely anything. No, but I've been cooking. What have I been cooking? No, so the end of that story is that I am.

Eating, I've never gotten more joy from food. I'm all good. It's actually amazing. I cannot believe how easy it is for me to eat. I was thinking the other day about how fruit was off my mouth. Because it's a sugar bomb. It's a sugar bomb. Fruit is God's fucking gift. You are crazy to not eat fruit. I agree. Not crazy. I get it. Every person who's a fruitarian. They couldn't be skinnier. I'm not saying that. I'm like, that's dumb. I actually eat pineapple, actually. That's why I'm glowing. That's all I do. You can eat your weight in pineapple every day. You're never going to get fat. I agree. It is God's gift, and it should be protected and treated with respect. But what am I cooking? You know what I'm cooking at the moment? I'm like really – I got given a donabe, and I'm obsessed with cooking in the donabe. It's so delightful. I've seen many friends fall victim to the denabe. I know. It's probably a phase, you know. So are we doing micro greens on top, like sprout, like micro cilantro on top of the mushroom rice, or is it something like that? Well, I'll do like a hot pot with like chicken meatballs and tofu and kvotra and bok choy, you know, really do a whole. Okay, she said, bitch, I'm at the farmer's market. Come at me. That sounds like such a restorative meal. It's good. I love a restorative broth is what we all need. Oh, yeah. What are you cooking, Jason? What's the vibe? Well, I'm trying to load up on protein right now for the next month because I'm going to throw out the first pitch at a baseball game in one month from now. And I want to fill out a baseball uniform because I don't have a lot of muscle and my body is not. This guy thinks he's going to have to get Tommy John surgery after throwing the ball one time. It's because I want to present, you know, I don't know. What they say, the definition of insanity is somebody who does the same thing over expecting different results. To me, I'm like, I'm just going to try to get buff and see what happens. I'm just going to eat a bunch of eggs and protein and avocados and sardines and just lift weights to see what happens. Fabulous. I love that. I wonder what will happen. I've been eating all that. A lot of four egg omelets. I've been working on my ermu rice. Let's get six, big dog. Come on. Let's get up there.

That's too many for the pan. It's hard to make an omelet with six eggs. No, that's true. Even I know that. Even I know that. I know. That's why you got to do all, you know, but I'm using it as a way to practice my omelet making, which is something we can all get better at, right? I'd like to come over next week for a night omelet if you're interested. Odeon style. I like a night omelet. We'll have some night olives and some night... Night omelet? Yeah, I'll do a night omelet. I've ordered a night omelet before and it feels... People look at you a little crazy, but I think it's very. Eggs taste different at night. Eggs do be hitting different at night. They do. They do. Yeah. Just rub a little butter on that thing. Some chive. Yeah, that's good. Yeah, last night I went to stir crazy and had a delicious meal. Oh, I saw those. Oh, you saw the asparagus nudie. I saw it. I had an asparagus last night too, Jason. A white asparagus and green. I had asparagus two ways at the River Cafe. Wait, where did you go? Oh, River Cafe. Yummy. Well, one was with mozzarella and then one was just raw dog with some anchovy butter and Parmesan shavings. But it was hitting. I prefer green. Last night I was at rehearsal and I had. Bark thins for dinner. Tortilla chips and bark thins. Bark thins. So we're in rehearsal mode. Are we going like every other day? Well, we sort of, I don't know. I'm just sort of trying to gently get the ball rolling there, you know. Have you assembled the players? Some players have been assembled, yeah. Well, I thought it was really cool when I saw that you were, I was like, oh, damn, this bitch is playing Barclays. And then, oh, we sold that one out, adding a second date at Barclays. Can you fucking believe? I cannot believe. Like, I can't believe that. That's insane. After I saw Washington Square Park, I believe. And Amos Jay before that. I can't believe it. I've been shocked. Well, if there's any jobs on tour, I'm looking to get into kind of the VIP. I want to be like the VIP liaison. Client relations. Client relations. Yeah, I just want to deal with the actors, you know, and make sure they're comfortable. He wants to help Benny Drama find his seat. Oh, right this way, Mr. Drama. Right this way. Can I get you a cotton candy grape? I would hire you. I feel like you're quite hireable.

Jason, I don't know what role I would give Jason in return content. He could do a quick 30-minute DJ warm-up set as soon as the doors open. Before Japanese House touches the stage, we got them jeans doing a quick 20. Oh, this could be you. I mean, I don't want to blow J House off the stage. Maybe it'll be better if I play in between her and you. Yeah, that's better. Just in terms of energy, you know. It's an energy thing. We're big on energy. We got to just make sure it's distributed. properly well i'm excited where where are you playing in la is it at kia i am playing at the kia that's right yeah all right ella thank you well it was a pleasure it was so overdue i'm very proud i'm very proud of you i can't wait for the album to come out i know it's been a journey so thank you and the new song comes out today today it'll probably be the uh the outro song of this episode so oh my god Oh, also, actually, it was weird. What's it called? I was watching the video for it. It's called Hammer. And the intro of it, there's like a synth line. And I was watching a video of Fortet doing a DJ set at Sonar just very recently. And the song that he was playing was like a techno song, you know, 130-ish BPM. And I hit play on your video, and it synced up perfectly. And it was almost in the same key. So I'll send the song to you. and see if we can get Jime Stock to do a little quick edit or something like that. It was one of those serendipitous moments. Jason just can't help but DJ. His whole life is a CDJ. I love to transition. What can I say? I love to transition. All right. Thank you. Thank you. And hopefully we see you soon. Pleasure. Bye.

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