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All right, this episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by Stateside with Kai and Carter, a new podcast from The Guardian. And they are using this podcast to slow down the news and wrestle with the questions that we all have about what's happening in the world. And they do it three times a week, Jason. Does that sound familiar to you? We don't really talk about, you know, a lot of international global news items and climates and cultures and sports and things like that. We do talk about fashion and wellness, but for everything else, Kai and Carter are a great place. All right, so who couldn't use more news? Listen wherever you get your podcast. or watch on YouTube. How long gone? Beautiful Thursday here in New York City. Them jeans, what's really going on? You know, just a birthday day. In the Glendale area, just did a little dog walk, having my second coffee, having a little Magna. You know, I'm realizing it's a little too hot right now. I'm wearing a long-sleeved tee, and I don't know. This would be a good time to do a shirtless pod for my birthday, but I don't know if our guest is going to like that. So to be clear, it's Jason's birthday today, so please wish him well. It's them jeans, Beyonce. Who else is on that list? Ione Sky, Mark Ronson. You know, nothing but elite. Wow. Media and content creators. Second best DJ born on September 4th is something that I could see kind of going down. Do you think Mark is second best? I don't know if he's that good. Oh, you're talking. He's been working on it for a long time. I think he's getting pretty good at turntablism. No, happy birthday, them jeans, RIP. to the goat, Giorgio Armani. If you are on Instagram, I'm sure you've seen a million pictures already of him. Yeah, it's the timing of the Giorgio Armani spa wing at the Kith Paddle Tennis Hammam Erewhon activation. He took one look at that and said, all right, I'm done. The private members paddle club, everybody's focused on the Erewhon and the paddle.

I would like to focus on a New York institution, Cafe Mogador in the East Village. One of my... you know, long time haunts. Mogador, the acquisition of Mogador into the Kith portfolio feels targeted and personal to you. I don't want it to go acquisition. I don't want to take it that far. I think this is probably a license and something. Yeah, it's not. I mean, obviously they didn't buy Cafe Mogador. There was enough money offered. There's enough money offered. They couldn't say no, but similar to the chicken and beer deal that ludicrous Chris Bridges struck with the LAX airport. Same exact thing. But I'm concerned that concern. Erwan is going to Erwan. They make smoothies with CW actresses. It's like they don't give a shit. They're cashing out. They did a cactus plant flea market collaboration and more power to them. One of their worst flavors. Cafe Mogador is sort of a New York institution that you thought couldn't get touched by Big Kith. But I saw someone tweet this today, and I kind of agree with him. They're like, at this point, I just respect Ronnie Feig for being able to get corny guys to spend so much money. And I think that's kind of where I'm getting. I'm getting to just a business respect level versus I can't believe how popular this is. I've turned a corner. Yeah, I mean, it is a strength in numbers. And the whole name of the game is who is good and who is better at separating. people from their money and and ronnie feegs corny ass has found a a subsect of dudes who have a lot of money and who are easily swayed and yeah i mean from a business standpoint yes more power to them from the same way from a business standpoint live golf is killing it you know what i mean but it's still they're not they're not actually live golf is actually i talked about this yesterday they're they're losing oh really millions oh yeah it's fucked okay good good news some good news finally well they i mean it's it's some good news for someone bad news for someone else i wanted to um tell you a story about something that happened to me last night that is is one of the most shocking things that i can remember oh wow okay we went to ohad's opening at [redacted address] and i met

Shiv there. And Shiv loves Nobu as much as I do. And we haven't been together. So he's like, let's hit Nobu after we go to the opening. I'm like, bet. That's perfect. I would love to go to Nobu on a Wednesday. We Uber over to Nobu. We have a great meal. I try some new dishes that I'm introduced to by a regular. And then at the end, our server, who is a 28-year-old white male from Brooklyn, heard us talking about hip-hop music. and sort of wanted to get in the mix with us. He wanted to go Elliot Wilson mode and kind of chop it up with the fellas about the state of rap music. He said, I'm in the barbershop now. Yes, exactly. He kicked his feet up. He took off his cape and he said, I'm in the barbershop. And so we're talking to him and Shiv is like, well, what's your favorite current artist? And he's like, wow. And he's looking around. He's kind of tapping his toe. I don't like where this is going at all. He hits us with Vic Mensa, which is the craziest possible answer that I couldn't even anticipate. I couldn't have imagined how bad of an answer this guy was going to give. Vic Mensa is one of the worst rappers to ever exist, much less current or not. You know what I mean? It's just like it's across the board. So this young man made a case for Vic Mensa and Shiv and I had to behave because we were in Nobu. Well, I think that, I mean, obviously the Vic Mensa of yore that we are familiar, you know, hanging out with Chance the Rapper and all that stuff, not so good. But I think Vic has maybe turned a little bit of a corner. I know that he's making like speaking to the camera TikTok. videos and stuff like that i've seen his content i i said content creation i i understand that and he's also i think he's punk now as far as look goes i think he's punk i think he's probably sober and he's probably buff and on a new flow i don't know i mean i think he seems like he's a cool guy and he has leveled out a lot a lot more even though you know we all have our little issues here and there but yeah maybe from from a music perspective

I don't know if I'm checking for it. I just mean being asked that question and being able to say whatever you want and choosing Vic Mensa. And you have to keep the lychee martini in your mouth and avoid a spit take when you say, you know, greatest rapper of all time right now. What do you got? Vic Mensa. I don't even know Vic Mensa is going to agree with that. The green tea got spilled. It was a shocking moment for everyone. But also... I'm sure you've been following along with the death of Atlanta hip-hop, which has been tough. We're talking about the beef in between. We got the Young Thug jail phone calls, that kind of stuff. Young Thug is a rat, according to the streets, so he's done. So Gunna, the supposed rat who has actually got hits, might come out on top. Lil Baby's done. It's tough. It's tough to see the empire fall. So Lil Baby is done. Lil Baby's done. He's got nothing. He's got no songs. What do you mean? Zero songs. He's got no songs. He's just got no songs. He put out a flop, is what I'm saying. So you either rat or you put out a flop, or you're gonna, who is now fit, has hits, and is in fact not a rat, I guess, is what I'm trying to understand. But it's been a revelatory. I think Lil Baby is going to be just fine. I don't know. I think he's doing great. I think he's got a lot of streams and he's got songs with billions of plays. I think he'll be all right. I think Gunna, he's one of those guys that does 5K runs for content now. Run clubs. Don't attack Diplo like that. Right now, Lil Baby is the number 186 artists in the world. I mean, I don't know what that data means. That's just according to Spotify. I mean, it's a complex algorithm. I'm not going to explain it to you. It'll go over your head. I know. I'm just saying people say stuff like this. Gunna is 130. People say this shit to me all the time. I'm like, what does that even mean? Like, what does it fucking mean to be 186 in the world? That means you're behind 185 people.

That's not real data. That's not real data. Well, I think it's a number that is gathered by a collection of lots of real data only. It's not based on opinion or... No, no, of course, of course. But I'm saying I think that... Young Thug number 214. Ranking musicians like that just doesn't sit well with me. Like a chart is a different thing. This feels like there's some maybe numbers that we aren't privy to. What's the difference between a chart and a rank? A lot. A chart... We know what goes into it. A rank, I don't know what goes into it. The rank feels like there's some shadowy data in there. What's a goon to a goblin? Yeah, what's a goon to it? No, but I'm sure if I Googled how does Spotify do it, I could get a laundry list of all of their factors they're considering. But that just seems like a bridge too far, even for me, a fan of music. Yeah, that's a tough sentence to type into Google. I think it counts various data points, including streams, listener engagement. Saves, shares, and playlist ads. Not listener engagement. See, listener engagement, that is, what does that mean? Like how long you spend on my Spotify homepage? That means, listener engagement means how many tracks are being saved, downloaded, shared, added to playlists, or skipped. How long you listen to a song before you skip it. That's a big number. You know how many times I fucking send songs to people to say they suck? So I'm helping in the scheme of things. That's a good point. That's unfair. That's bad data. That is bad data. All right. Well, look, we do have a guest today. Wigsy has entered the chat. Peter is one third of St. Etienne, a band that Jason and I have been listening to forever. They have a new album coming out literally today. Literally today. Which is... What better way to celebrate than with How Long Gone? So let's talk to Peter. This episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by a new podcast from The Guardian stateside with Kai and Carter. This is covering a lot of our bases, Jason. It's trying to slow down.

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I thought I'd better get, just in case they're filming, I might have to look at it. I don't want to need decay. The inside of your older headphones have begun to compost all the organic material. That's the technical. Okay, but you're still going to keep those headphones because you love them. You just don't know if you want them to be on TV. I'm going to give them to Bob. Okay, you're going to give a hand-me-down pair of headphones to your oldest friend and bandmate. In case he doesn't bring his own. I like the idea that you're just doing a little bit better than him and he might need the hand-me-downs. He can't go get his Sennheiser's. Yeah, I guess over the years, what are some other fun things that you and him have shared? Yeah, let's not get it. Next question. That's an interesting... I would love... I thought you could change out the inside of a lot of headphones to prevent what you're talking about, but you're saying, fuck it, I'm buying a new pair. You probably can. I'm claiming a few things back at the moment because I'm getting the band to play for them. Yeah, you've already fallen into our tangled web, Peter. Just one minute in. Yeah, I've got fancy headphones. Whoa, what are those? See those? Yeah. Those have a fat little ear pad on them. It's made of goat skin, apparently. Wait, what is the brand on those, Peter? What are you vegans out there? Audizy? I don't know how to pronounce it. A-U-D-E-Z-E. Oh, yeah, yeah. Jason's a professional DJ and knows more about this than I do. Jason, is this a brand that you're familiar with, or is this beyond your reach? I've heard of them. I've seen them. They range from, I don't know, like $300, $400 up to like a couple thousand dollars probably. Oh, yeah. These were kind of mid. Okay. Price-wise. Hang on. I forgot this isn't the headphone podcast. It's whatever you want it to be. We get deep into the technical stuff. But these, the goat, okay, the goat skin ear pads, do you feel it? Can you notice a difference? Can you mix for 12 hours in comfort? It says.

Feel the goat that should be there. And try to weave in a calfskin condom reference if you could. That's real. Yeah, you can't feel it. These odd, easy headphones, they're the size of a small Fiat, but you don't even feel that or notice that they're there. You don't feel it at all. You don't feel it at all. Your head slides in. Your head just slides in? Is that what you just said, Peter? I love these. These headphones are so comfortable. My head just is able to slide right in. Peter, what time is it there, Peter? Have you had something to drink? Have you had something to drink? What do you got in that coffee cup, my friend? I haven't asked you. I have got a beer in it. So you're hiding a beer. Okay, he's drinking beer in the tea cup. You're hiding a lager in your coffee mug. Is that a Radiohead coffee mug, I assume? It's past five o'clock. No, no, it's past five o'clock. I'm fine. In the morning. What is your beer of choice? Oh, actually, this is not my beer of choice, but I'm more of a lager person. Okay, okay. But you'll take what you can get in a pinch before you have to podcast with some Americans. Yeah, well, I thought, you know, I've had a long day. Sure, sure. Listen, I bet you only had that much, though. It's not like... Sure, I don't think... Look, Peter, I don't think at... Your experience level that one beer is going to affect you much. Yeah, we're not going to take your car keys away. Yeah. Do you live in London? No, Hove, which is next to Brighton. Part of Brighton. Okay. Down by the seas. Sure. So do you hear the waves crashing? How close are we to the ocean? Yeah, it's a 10-minute walk or a bit less. Oh, that's not bad. No, it's great, actually. Go down there a lot, actually. What does Hove have that, let's say, Brighton does not have? It's got loads of... You can give me a real answer and a joke answer. It used to be the old granny bit.

And then it's become the sort of more jujee, sort of, you know, boutique-y. Okay, so you're saying you're an early settler, but it's a little more boutique. It's been in the news a lot, actually, over here recently, because Angela Rayner, who's the deputy prime minister, has just bought a flat in Hove. And because she's kind of labor... the tories are having a go and trying to make it out that she's you know because because she's actually bought a flat that she's done something wrong and the people have been people have daubed things on her door and all sorts of poor thing that and they they've filmed this the papers are terrible over here they took a picture of her in a kayak and she but she's drinking a massive glass of wine it's bigger than my mug it's like it's amazing and she's vaping at the same time At first I was going to defend her. I was like, so she's being treated like Donald Trump for buying a modest apartment in Hove, England. It's not necessarily Paris or Dubai. But then when you said she was kayaking with a fishbowl full of Chardonnay while vaping. Yeah, I think it's quite aspirational, really. I was going to say, I feel like that would go viral in America as like a hashtag goals kind of situation. I want to know. I've only got two hands. How do I paddle, vape, and drink wine and also stay alive? That's an interesting. Okay, so now the prime minister is your neighbor. Do you think your property value is going to go up? How do you think it's going to affect your bottom line? I might get some daubing on my walls. I hope not. Yeah, we've got to project. I want to bump into her, though. I'd like to see her in a pub or something. You could see her around at the shops. It'll happen. It's a tough job. Is she single? No. Well, actually, she's split up from her. I'm not. She split up from her. I'm not saying that it's on the table for you, Peter. She split up from her husband recently, I think. Okay, so once I know that she split up from her husband, then kayaking with wine and a vape makes a lot more sense. That feels like a temporary coping mechanism, not a lifestyle choice. Yeah, I mean, it's a great picture. I'm sure she doesn't think so. No, she doesn't. She definitely doesn't think so. Hove is known for having all those little rainbow-colored buildings on the...

by the water right yes beach huts yeah yeah i didn't yeah so i've been here now 17 years and uh you can sort of get on a list to get one you know you have to then pay the council for it but they it's a tiny little wooden hut They cost something like 30 grand. Well, how, how, I mean, this has a working toilet and stuff. No, no, no water. It's just, it's just a beach area. You get a piece of beach. It's just a, it's more of a shed. It's like a shed that you would keep your tools in. Yeah, it's a shed by the sea. Like, like a fishing in Canada, like where you have the little hut with a hole in it. Yeah, it's smaller than most. It's tiny, tiny. But yeah, we never put our names down. And anyway, it's good. Because if you got the chance, I'd be like, ooh. do we know why would we okay so people you get put on a waiting list and then eventually 30 years later when you're about to croak then they say give us 30 grand and you can keep your keep your towels in this shed and then do people go out there and they decorate them and they have it yeah you just sit in your shed and be proud half the time they're not using them at all and i'm like yeah imagine spending that money well you get three good beach days in in london yeah the hove beach ain't southampton so i'm sure there's plenty of uh off season but some global warming uh has been sort of okay so do you are you are you are you surfing or what uh i bought a paddleboard uh during lockdown which is like a surfboard with you know bigger you stand on it You have your tea in the morning? It took me a while, yeah. A glass of wine and a vape. You're supposed to do yoga and things like that. I didn't manage that, but I stood up on it and managed to go along. Yeah, I've seen Dua Lipa do a headstand on one of those on the open water. What do you think, Wiggs? Do you think we can pull it off? Let's put me off. I'd like to see that. I'd like to see that. I have some photos saved in my folder. I have some footage of this event if you need to see it for your records. Only for you to correct your form, of course. Use it as a reference only. It's an inspiration. It's by positioning of feet and things like that. Exactly. It's a template. Exactly. A guide for you, like a twister style. Okay, so what other bad decisions did you make during COVID?

one of your you know most critically acclaimed records that was in 2021 right that was a good decision yeah yeah i mean that was that was great that just kind of happened sort of organically because we were messing around sending things to each other me and bob because you weren't really allowed out even even in even in bra i feel like down where you're at things were loose you know what i mean yeah well it was pretty good place to be Because you could go down the beach. That's what I mean. Even though the beach is rocks and too rough to get in the water, it's still fresh air. It was a lovely summer, but the people went a bit nuts. The government went a bit nuts. If you sat down on the beach at one point, you could get a fine. It's like, come on. I dare you. I saw videos of the police chasing guys on the beach for just like... standing out in the open, being the one person. That's why we all got paddleboards, so they couldn't catch us. That was your getaway car. Chris and I were talking this morning about that record, and during that time, I was saying, it's not your sea change, the Beck album, but it was definitely a down-tempo turn into some sort of... you know loopy kind of you know spaced out kind of vibe uh vapor wavy one could say yeah so all that is to say what what drugs were you taking during covid to make you want to make some sick ass clams casino loops and stuff like that It was a mixture. Well, not the drugs. No, it was a mixture. Bob was really into Vaporwave and he was going, oh. And I'm into nerdy software and things like that. And the two things kind of combined because he was talking about this. And I was going, oh, I've just been getting into ripping samples apart and slowing them down. Okay. And so.

I was like, he said, what do you mean? What do you mean? And I went, oh, like this. And he was like, oh, try that. Sending it backwards and forwards. And it wasn't meant to be an album. It was just a diversion. And then we'd actually started another album, which we'd almost finished. And then COVID kicked in and we couldn't finish it off. And so we've actually got that lurking somewhere to be. Oh, it's still. OK, so we have the unfinished in the vault. Yeah. It's not quite Smile. So half Grimace. Our new album, Grimace, is in stores soon. If I read correctly, the album that comes out today, you said is going to be your final record. So then if you are still sitting on half of a smile, does that mean... we're going to get that in 10 years in the deluxe box set or what's going to happen with that right yeah it'll you can do that one like a taylor swift vinyl only release 11 different colors to pad your sales number whatever you whatever you can do so what is the why is this the last what's the problem why are you packing it up you guys have never because you've never broken up right you've always just Taking some breaks. He's like, yeah, we've been dying to stop. Long gaps, yeah. Because it's been, what, 25, 35, 35 years? Yeah, 35. Mamma mia. It wasn't my decision. Basically, I've been fired, and they're just going to carry on without me. They're like, we got another guy, actually. Yeah, yeah. He's going to step in. But it's one of those things, whenever you record an album, you think, well, maybe this is the last one. the last two albums came in relatively quick succession and i guess everyone's feeling getting slightly old and thinking well these these ones have gone down pretty well with people and it makes sense in a way if you're going to choose you know the end of your you know career as it were it's nice to do it in a sort of dignified way when hopefully people are kind of into it still and it's

you know i agree quit at the top bow out gracefully it's a rare thing to do people usually what are what are some other great british bands that went too far and should have stopped but then kept releasing albums yes there are uh damn all of them because like the the i know the cure just released an album like a year ago that people still loved yeah it was good and his voice sounds great i mean i guess new order's still out there doing stuff and The little pet shop boys are still doing stuff, Orbital and Chemical Bros. They're all kicking around, I guess. I'm trying to think some names now. Oasis seems to be doing pretty well right now. I'm friends with Steve Mason from the beta band, and they've sort of reformed after years. And suddenly they sold out this massive tour of huge venues, way bigger than they'd ever played before. So I'm like, damn, we should have split up. Well, now you do. It is shocking, actually, how much people care about stuff that they didn't think about for the last 20 years. And then it was reintroduced, and they're like, take my money, please. I'll fly to come see this. But, I mean, we saw Oasis. It was amazing. They're in America right now. Everybody's seeing them. They're saying it's amazing. So it's like, I mean, you know, the first. band i remember doing it was the pixies that was the first i remember being like oh this band that i loved growing up that i never saw is reuniting and it was unbelievable and they were good they were great that's good yeah and now you've seen them 17 times since they've got back yeah yeah more than i need to see them for sure for sure i could do it i could do my name drop thing that oasis supports oasis supported us in the 90s If you didn't know that. No, I didn't know that. Well, I'm sure you guys shared a bill once or twice over the years at festivals, yeah? It was just two gigs where they were kind of new and we had a demo because we were kind of on creation at that time. Oh, wow. So, yeah, Bob said, do you want to support us? It's cool because after gigs, I feel like they would...

be assholes to you in a fun way kind of i feel like they would like make fun of you but they were weird they were weirdly nice and i suppose that we didn't know uh anything about them then you know but they were like they were like a fully formed version of themselves even though it's early days and so they were like they were like a kind of rock machine and they were off stage you know it was all going on and uh But they were lovely. Well, they may have bonded with you over the connection of being named after a football team. I know they're big footballers. You know, there could be that. But, I mean, they also have, you know, like a 60s mod kind of vibe going on. Yeah, yeah. And a lot of your stuff samples, you know, that kind of sound. So there's some through line. And they like to party, and you make dance music, which is good to party to. Yeah, there's a connection. Yeah, the connection is drugs and football. I mean, that's the connection of all British people, actually, I think. That's the fabric of society. It's the 90s for you. Yeah, if you don't have one or the other, we're not, you know, the conversation's dead on earth. arrival right or goat skin headphones you've you've graduated in that era were you guys touring like non-stop in europe um yeah certainly yeah the early 90s this was up to about 94 it was kind of that was a crazy year where we were everywhere and um felt like uh almost like you could actually go nuts and stop being friends with each other but we didn't we didn't get to that point But you can see how it happens. You're saying it was going so well that you could see how you would hate your bandmates. I get it. I get it. I get it. Actually, that's what Bob said. I was having a great time. This is a dream come true, and Bob's like, I can see how this would ruin me very quickly. Well, you're one of those bands or musicians or artists, correct me if I'm wrong, where arguably your biggest song of all time was on your first record.

So you kind of have that little, I mean, you've had many other popular songs over the years, but everyone has their Coldplay Yellow and same kind of vibe. So all that is to say, when you come out, you're burning very bright. You know, you come out of the gates kicking. you're doing it all. And that was back when we had budgets. Downhill. Obviously, now you're on your last album and you've got to talk to us, but what a ride it's been. At one point, yeah, you were sitting with other people on TV and shit. It's exciting. I got very excited about this. It's a local magazine with a terrible name. The Hovarians. How do they name it that? It's a handsome little magazine. It's like a disease, isn't it? The Hovarian is a crazy name. I found a cyst in my Hovarian. I'm in it. Oh, look, there he is. I was more excited about being in this. Everyone thinks it's the rubbish. This is your NME. This is your Kerrang. I was like, I've made it. That's actually, I think that is a nice, is this in celebration of this new album? They revisited their favorite resident? Or did you grow the largest squash in town? And that's why you got to grace the pages of the Hovarian. my paddle boarding skills recognize it i mean you should go over to the board of the beach shacks and show you know put that up against the window and be like does this change things yeah this is currency so yeah i mean you're you're kind of drunk with power after showing us that What do you do down there, though? Do you have a garden and shit? Like, what do you do all the time? Besides make music, obviously. All the time, yeah. Besides make music. But, like, you know, what are we doing down there? How are the aubergines looking? Yeah. No, tiny garden. I go to the gym four times. Oh, Wigs is in the gym. What are we doing? With my wife. What are you and your wife? What are you guys doing in the gym? That's cute. We've got a trainer. A little trainer? A personal trainer.

Your trainer is a little person. Could you scroll that camera down? It looks like you've got a nice little rig on you. So hold on. I'm not going to. I've strategically programmed my camera to do not show anything above the nipple. You want to be mobile. I'm not going to get anything on. Yeah, it's to stop. seizing up this i you know i go to the gym every day and my wife works out every day but i don't want to do that together that's my time that's my time yeah it's funny because we we really enjoyed that and it's like a bonding it started that's nice covid again just after we're like right this i need to you know not waste away well i think peter needs somebody to drive him to the gym yeah i mean so it kind of works out well yeah hold on i'm coming in One second, babe. It's slightly competitive sometimes. Oh, I feel like, shit, she's doing the same weights as me. That's what I was going to ask. That was my question. I hope you're putting up a little more weight than the missus. All right, this episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by Quince. Jason, the temps are warming up. It's getting hot out there. Summer always changes how I get dressed. I need pieces that feel lighter, more breathable. And they're just easy, but still put together. I don't want to look like a slob. That's why I keep coming back to Quince. They focus on high-quality essentials that feel and look amazing. Breathable linen and soft organic cottons. Well-made basics, but without the luxury markups. That rare balance where everything feels elevated. but still effortless. Yeah, Chris, linen season is here. I wore a linen blazer to dinner a few nights ago in the warm California sun. But, you know, you got that Italy trip coming up this summer and quality European linen pants and shirts. Upgrade that look starting at just $34. You know, if you get a nice linen suit, a little t-shirt underneath it, some chill shoes, you're looking good, but you're staying cool. The inside of your special areas are nice and dry as you turn up with your besties. So elevate that summer wardrobe. Go to quince.com slash how long for free shipping on your order and 365 day returns, even on a nice holiday now available in Canada.

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away from her she tried to get it got the neck so i did a racket caught in the net and twisted like that and it both dislocated and shattered her shoulders oh the famous peter drop shot strikes again yeah yeah and i was like yeah so so we were having a friendly friendly wow a friendly rally with the love of your life and you said it's time to get one past this bitch and then boom next thing you know You said the shoulder was both shattered and dislocated. Yeah. So there was nothing to pop back into the socket. And it's sort of all your fault. Yeah, that's tough. It had a holiday weekend, so she was in. And this was just after COVID, so the hospitals were full of... She was in there three days before they even... Operated on it. Three days? Because it was a bank holiday weekend as well. The doctor couldn't get there. I say three. It was a Saturday. No, he came in on a Monday. I love that there's no doctors available on the weekend. I don't care if it's a holiday. I'm getting a doctor. Look, the health care is free, but you're going to have to wait. Also, when you said it was a bank holiday, with your great British accent. It made it seem like I was listening to BBC Radio 3 and we're about to put on the new Calvin Harris for the weekend. It's your bank holiday weekend. Okay, so did you feel some guilt when she was in? Did you feel responsible? No, really. Because she didn't make me feel responsible, so that was good. She could have easily gone, why? But you had to take care of her for a year while she recovered. Yeah, it took a long time. I hope this wasn't her dominant. Uh, no, luckily. Okay. Well, that's good. That's, that's the one. You had to do all the washing and stuff like that. That's fine. Yeah. That's, that's actually a crazy story though. Cause that's like, that's how you really get hurt. Some weird shit. Like my hand got caught somewhere. My body kept going. And it was, it was one of those things where we weren't going to play tennis that day. We were going up to a stay with some friends and then go out to a party. And we were like, Oh, we've got that extra hot for now. Let's do it. Yeah.

Okay, that's when they get you. That's when they get you. We've hung up the Yonix. We don't talk about her anymore. That's the name of a racket. Yes, yeah. That's the make of her one. So maybe that's it. Wow, Jason, you're a damn clairvoyant. Yeah. I can call it. I can call it. Okay, well, I want to talk a little bit. You mentioned earlier that you're kind of like a... A gear slut, a plug-in junkie. You've got all these little synths and equalizers and effects and software. It's often software. It's not real stuff because I haven't got a very big studio here. But you used to, like when you first started, I'm assuming you were sampling with analog gear because, you know, the software didn't really exist in 1990. So you're using... you know, MPCs or other samplers like that? It was mainly at Ian Cat's place in, well, Croydon, where we recorded the early stuff. Croydon. And occasionally we'd buy synths and things and then leave them there because we didn't have, you know, there's no point carting them around type thing. Well, nowadays in 2025, for this new record, are you using any old gear or is it all, have you given up and gone soft? There is. Because we recorded a lot of this, actually, in Hove as well. It's just handy for me. Tim Powell's place. He lives around the corner. Okay. Well, not around the corner, but, yeah, walkable. And he's got it. Tim's flat as walkable. It's walkable, yeah. It's good to know. Good to know. He's got a bunch of analog stuff there. So, yeah, we managed to. get that on a few of the tracks which is nice so you have you have musician neighbors then you have friends and colleagues that are out in hove with you yeah and then uh so paul from orbital uh he lives in hove oh bright he lives in brighton but we bump into each other in hove so uh i uh that's when i asked him to do the collaboration on this so you bump into orbital at the dog park and say hey yeah is it the coffee on the beach

Let's hop on track 12, why don't you? Actually, well, I really like that song with Orbel. It's a winner. Yeah, it's cool, isn't it? Yeah, it took me a while to, because I wasn't going to ask him then. Again, Carly was saying, get on there. You've got to ask him. So, yeah, I thought it might spoil our moment. You know, we just sort of met. Right, right, right. Oh, that was the, okay, you're saying you just recently met. You didn't meet back in the day. I did. I met him in the 90s, or both of them. through uh bob we uh um he didn't because bob was a journalist he'd interviewed orbital we we'd never done any live stuff and we were trying to work out how we could take what we'd done and do it live and and and paul said to him oh come and watch us out and so we went to this venue in brixton the brixton fridge i think and uh and we watched them set out and we were like Cool. Here's how you can play all this music live. And then you're like, I'll stick to the Wurlitzer. Shit, we really don't know what we're doing. But then, yeah, so I hadn't seen him since then. And then a friend of mine was doing a DJ night at a pub in Brighton, and Paul was there. So I sort of reacquainted him. And then we kept bumping into each other. on the beach that's a great i like that story that's a great that's a real that's how collaboration should happen there were no managers emailing you ran into your your old friend at the at the pub and said let's get let's get in the lab and you you bought him a couple couple coffees before you stuck it in Yeah, that motherfucker likes almond milk, too. It's not cheap. But I think it's good. You know, Orbital's been around for a long time. You guys have as well. I'm sure it was exciting for him to do something a little different. Yeah, I think... Because I feel like the sound that you guys have created, the modern-day version of Saint Etienne, I think the timing of it has really aligned with, like...

the way indie dance music is kind of currently going, or I should say going back to. Yes, it's funny, isn't it? You hear a lot of young DJs and young producers, and you would think that the first time you heard some of these cheesy trance songs from the 90s, all this stuff that you would sort of brush off as dumb back then. Or like, you know, I'm going to hang out in the cool room where they're playing like the real underground shit and have fun in the main room with that bullshit. They're really starting. They're discovering it and making it cooler and more tolerable and more interesting. So now there's like this kind of like bubblegum trance and, you know, housey, like cheesy kind of music, but done in a way that's kind of like kitschy and fun. And I feel like that's what you were doing originally back then. Yeah. Yes. That's my answer. Okay, podcast over. That's exactly what we were doing. That's exactly what we were doing. Exactly. Well, I guess we weren't deliberately – nothing's been that deliberate in a way. You didn't orchestrate this whole thing. This is just the way the cookies crumbled. In quite a nice way. I like the fact that there's kids – well, I say kids. I mean people in their 20s or whatever. 26-year-old children? Yeah, that have discovered San Etienne recently. And then listening to, you know, we've got quite a lot of stuff you can listen to online. So once you're in, you know, there's kind of a lot to explore. You have a deep and rich catalog for them to extract. And it's quite varied, so you can find your own sort of. pathway through it, if you like. Have you noticed some of these children downloading your music and extracting the stems with AI technology to make dope-ass trap remixes of your music? No, I haven't. Someone told me there's a good one I need to find. It's a guy I like, anyway. I've forgotten his name. Anyway, he did a really good Tame Impala one. What's his name?

Star. Hang on. Star. It's got the word star in it. He did a really good Stevie Nicks remix as well. You know. Hmm. Star Lord. That's it. Star Lord. Great name. Or is that? Am I getting confused with Guardians of the Galaxy? Oops. You know, if you look up, I mean, there's too many Tame Impala remixes where somebody named Star something. That's called... He doesn't credit the sample, so it's called Let It Acid, I think. Which is a pretty good name. That is a good name. Yeah, that's a great show. Starkiller. let it happen hold on let it happen is a song by tame impala tame impala let it happen and uh and they there's a soul wax remix i don't know i mean we could go over this all day there's there's somebody named disco lines it's like a new person that's not cool peter how do you just how are you how do you find new music do you like go to the record store are you on spotify like the rest of us not so much record stores anymore i'm afraid but yeah it's uh well recommendations from friends and i've got this good uh bunch of sort of music friends and they make playlists for each other and stuff like that so that's a good one and then and do kind of podcast type things but then i uh yeah i do a podcasty type affair show i guess with a friend of mine it's we uh we play quite sort of left field music and it's it's a good way of keeping on sort of on top of stuff or listening constantly to new things and there's a couple of sort of online stores that i like to find recommendations one called boom cat uh and they describe they write really good descriptions quite flowery i'm quite impressed i'm rubbish at that sort of thing boom cat the k the cat is spelled with a k yeah for our googlers yeah they're they're sort of track descriptions are poetic in their yeah delivery and so you go oh i want to hear that i want to well there's a new burial 12 inch that just came out the boom cat

authors just really write a rich prose. Yeah. Sometimes I don't know what they're talking about. It sounds good. I like those links. Those descriptions are good because if, you know, for fans of this, this, and this, and sometimes it feels like the album description was written just for you and your particular tastes. Yeah, yeah. And you might normally just skip it over. There used to be this record shop in Manchester called... beating rhythm and whenever we were in Manchester we'd go there and it was a kind of soul record shop particularly and they had all these boxes of seven inch records and uh and the people that worked there would write you know they'd make pick out choice kind of records and they'd write a little cards describing it and you know going if you like this so this kind of got this kind of beat and it's brilliant and then you have record players so you could go and listen see take a listen otherwise my memory is terrible this is what they say i mean it's great it's great to have some pointers you know this is what bookstores still do you know the ones that are left standing they'd always have like the staff picks and they try they all try to like out quip each other and you know the fucking three inch plate they have to be creative and it's always a fun read i like being guided towards um you had a zine back in the day called calf a f f uh so you have a history of journalism what what does calf mean to the uninitiated uh it's like shortening of cafe In a sort of more cockney, you'd say, down the calf, and you'd write it like that. Got it, down the calf. I can't remember why we called it that. Nice pronunciation change. Yeah, that's the real me. It would be weird if your zine had a good name. Zines are supposed to have kind of tongue-in-cheek dumb names. I like them that way. We used to make kind of things like that for each other instead of writing letters. Bob was at college and I was at school still.

instead of writing a letter because this is the old days before telephone no before uh internet so you're saying you guys so you guys were like best friends and this was your way of like communicating and staying in touch we'd do yeah and we'd do collages and cut out speech bubbles from one cartoon and stick it over and then you know daft things like that and then so making the fanzine was a sort of extension of that and writing about music and i did more of the daft bits and Bob then went on to actually be a journalist. But I really like that way of communicating. That's an interesting... We're probably on some kind of spectrum. Instead of sending your pen pal a note of what you've done with your life for the last month, you're like, here's what I think about the new Aerosmith album in 800 words. I remember I went away for three months traveling around Europe and stuff. And when I got back, I'd written in this massive journal type thing. But I hadn't posted it, I don't think. And so I'd been back for about two weeks and I hadn't told him. But the only way, the reason he knew I was back was I'd sent him this cassette with a few songs, but had this kind of weird sketch about Daffy Duck on it or something. I don't know. How did you make this? Oh, I'm back. Yeah, sorry. Like a sketch comedy? Well, comedy is probably a push. In theory, it was comedy. No, but I think that is really like, I mean, that's how people used to stay in touch. I mean, Jason and I are probably more of a mixed CD generation than cassettes, but we live through cassettes as well. I wish I kept, I think I moved house a lot and lost all the cassettes Bobby used to make for me. I've got massive gaps in my record collection because Bobby used to... buy everything and then tape it for me he'd also make he'd make amazing um not sleeves what we call it yeah kind of inserts for for the cassettes and they'd all be handmade yeah bob's a good bob's a good fucking friend i gotta say i know i i don't know how many i gave i need a bob in my fucking life i got no bobs yeah i think there's some listeners out there who wouldn't mind being your bob chris they'll do they'll may they'll they'll draw

We'll draw a sleeve with a Sharpie if it means getting in your good graces. Well, how do you guys, do you guys record in the same room or is it a thing where you kind of do it and then send it to her and she lays it down? It sort of used to always be in the same room kind of thing. And what with internet and all that. Technology. Yeah, we now do start things off at least separately. Obviously, you know, the lockdown album is a different story. We had to do it that way. yeah with this album we were all in the studio together for a couple of weeks kind of thing i i was kind of able to go every day because i live around the corner but yeah but i'm saying do you so you start it you you and bob basically like start it and then when you go into the studio for a couple weeks you know what you're doing yeah so we've all done we all start separately because so sarah often works with someone else and then bob works with this guy up in bradford and and then i just i just do stuff here and then we kind of send things go i've got this idea you know and then uh you know we send things back and forth you know we need a melody on this one or i can't think of all the lyrics and things like that so sometimes you do a little bit on a song other times you do a lot of it you know yeah yeah yeah well i mean i'm glad that you asked that because i think a thing about your band is that you've never had you've never seemed to have an issue or like writer's block or anything like that like you've consistently released albums you know you know every few years for the last 35 years like how many records do you guys have some reports say this is the 13th and some say it's the 12th i just listen to what people tell me i don't know i'm gonna clear reports people are saying the streets are saying it's 13 the streets are saying it's their day i mean yeah that is that is very consistent yeah what's the secret to being able to release i mean and those are just full-length albums we're not even talking about singles and eps yeah it's quite a lot of other things and sort of deluxe editions and soundtracks and whatnot yeah lots of b-sides uh well i suppose some of them had quite big gaps between but then we were always doing gigs and you know other things yeah like film

projects and things uh but yeah i don't know really it's just uh having i think having some gaps is nice and then you you get you're desperate to do something new but you guys actually it strikes me as you guys actually get along yeah yeah like you actually like each other yeah i know we have a laugh i meet some bands sometimes and you they just hate each other it's like god i can't imagine going on like that it's uh what are what are some of those bands peter yeah yeah oh i can't say i don't think the beta band seems to hate each other that don't talk about the libertines like that okay i'm not gonna allow that on this podcast potentially oasis perhaps potentially i've read something about that yeah but i do think that is i i think it's pretty rare but i also think that that A lot of people, they get to a certain point where the money is just too good, and they're like, what else would I do? I'd rather suffer than find a new job. Most people don't like their job. Yeah, true, yeah. And we've not hit that point. Take it. I know this is the last record, but it's so far so good. It is. So far so good. Well, now that this is your last record, and then you can quote-unquote break up, and then in four years you'll be headlining Coachella and Glastonbury. The master plan. We didn't know what we had. We're on to your bullshit, Peter. All right? You're not fooling us. You're not fooling us. Yeah, I know. You did Glastonbury. like in what 94 i think that was the first that was the first time i'm sure you played other times as well of course when was the last time you went to glasto maybe just as a fan or a performer oh i've been going the last five years oh okay every year yeah as a well we played about four years ago i think but we uh i've been going yeah with a bunch of friends and uh Just for fun. Okay, so all the shaggers get together and you guys fucking camp? Or what are we doing? Let's be honest. How do you glasto, Peter? I do. We do camp, actually. We do. And the posh bit. It's a posh bit. It's a glam. Well, actually, this year we glamped because it was our 20th wedding anniversary. So we kind of went for the jugular. It was really good, actually. Now you're a bit like, oh.

can i go back can we go can we go back it's more fun in the nosebleeds but you got to do it for the anniversary right i like that to celebrate your 20th wedding anniversary you and your wife did ecstasy and watch charlie xpx at one in the morning that's beautiful that's what love is to me so what yeah what are you guys doing there are you are you are we enjoying a delicious meat and cheese platter and then going over the the day's lineup and then bopping around it's well there's a kind of gang of us that go it's part of this people you know they're saying earlier amateurs and the kind of sort of crew that would DJ and they all DJ at this backstage bar and that's the kind of focus so we hang out there a bit and I just sat in there and then another set at the park at a different stage backstage so just small things but so a bit of DJing is fun I don't just do it because I'm there rather than I'm not getting paid you need something to do with your hands at Glastonbury I get it give it focus you're like all this music sucks but i'll yeah i'll dj for 45 minutes i'll show you're showing up with a usb stick though you're not bringing vinyl right uh yeah yeah yes okay It's just a really good family. We do a lot of dancing, wandering around. I've got to say, you sound like you've kind of got it figured out. We talk to a lot of people on this podcast, and I've got to say, your lifestyle seems very dialed in. Do you have kids, Peter? You've got kids? Yeah. Well, you know, you almost got there. I'll tell you what. I had this moment of great happiness just before Christmas. My son is 22. My daughter is 19. I think she was 18 then but yeah went to the pub basically and we were sat in the pub having a drink as you do and I just suddenly thought and we were having a laugh and I was like this is the peak of my life in a way I've got kids that want to come and have a drink with me and we're actually having fun and talking I was like God have you there

I'm sickening with you. No, that's big. I mean, most people cannot say I have two young children who would enjoy, you know, spending time with me going to get, you know, going to get a beer or two and hanging out with their dad. Yeah. I was like, I've made it. I really thought apart from that. the hovarian magazine that was the other time do they think do they think you're cool like do they get it like do they think you're cool yeah i think cool would be a stretch as well but uh you know um they're kind of well i'm speaking for them they they sort of appreciate my son particularly he's really into music my daughter is a bit in a different way but he's uh really into this kind of 90s music i suppose as well So he's aware now of all these people I've been talking about, name-dropping over the years. Yeah, you're like, Dad's the fucking OG, young buck. Like, don't forget it. He's like, what, you've met Brett Anderson? He's a massive suede fan, basically. Okay, that's good. Big suede. Which is quite good. So do you feel, I mean, obviously I'm sure you and your situation, a person who loves and creates great music. When you have kids, did you have a strategy on how you were going to get them into good music? Or were you just like, you guys do whatever you want and grow organically? I tried to do the hands-off approach with my children. How long did that last? But sometimes you just got to hit them. With records. Take this. I did used to play my daughter's St. Etienne record to go to sleep to regularly. So that was slightly indoctrinating. But then she's probably the one that's least into us. Yeah, sure. You ruined it for her subconsciously. Although she heard the Orbital collaboration the other day. She goes, huh, sounds good. It sounds housey. And I was like, you've got loads of housey records.

Sweetheart, you should explore the catalog. Yeah, yeah. I've been making housey music decades before you knew what that word was. That's a good story. Is your son a musician himself? Well, my daughter is an amazing pianist. I'm not, but she is. My son, he's taken up guitar. he's he's really into the whole analog world so he's uh i say analog he likes cds but you know it's a physical media and stuff really see that's good that's that's reassuring i mean obviously he's got cool parents so he's more likely to do that but that is something we're seeing yeah trend wise there's a yeah it's a kind of rejection of uh you know a lot of the digital stuff and streaming although he'll watch films on stream but he's also got blu-ray play you know oh wow he's buying blu-rays he's more of film a camera you know that has film and stuff like that sure i think it's attacked like something to hang on to and slightly envious of us you know having grown up pre iphones i suppose in a way and yet kind of loving all that stuff as well or he did but he's it's a funny mixture of you know feeling it's a best of both worlds situation i mean at least at least if you know about it you can explore it i feel like a lot of people just ignore it completely at that age yeah yeah neither of them like social media which is kind of a weird it's good it's i mean i'm really happy because of all the stuff you you know read about and uh-huh i'm glad that they sort of swerved that one um so that it means they I've swerved a lot of the kind of sniping. You guys raised them, right? Yeah, I don't know what happened there. That's great. Who put together the artwork for the, I've been trying to tell you, like the Alistair McClellan photo? Because it's really, it really struck me when I saw it. That's part of the reason I listened to it, you know. It's very, very powerful. Is he a fan or was that just like? Oh, yeah, yeah. Okay. It was another sort of good thing about lockdown was we were making that record and I got a.

song on an advert for Daisy, I think. Perfume. Oh, nice. Yeah, it was quite handy at the time. Where are we going to get any money? You mean all the money was handy? We didn't get much, but it was enough to go, okay, breathe easy. Okay, I love it. For a week. But Alistair directed the video and turned out that we found out that he was a fan because of that. yeah got in touch i don't i can't remember if he got in touch with us so we got we probably got in touch with him and uh bob sent him the new stuff and he was like do you think i could make a film to go with it we're like what and do some photos yeah It sounds amazing. I'll think about it. Yeah, yeah. That's the best. When it comes up like that, I mean, you couldn't write the script better. And you don't have to stalk him at the beach over months and months buying him coffee to eventually get the collab. And it was like the sort of production values that we couldn't afford at all. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, it was amazing. And so just after, sorry, I keep talking about lockdown, but just after lockdown, The BFI, which is the British Film Institute, they have a kind of cinema on the South Bank in London. It's just, you know, been famous for years. And they gave us a whole weekend. I mean, they turned over a whole weekend to films we worked on and did a premiere for that. And it was just a... it was i want to again another high point that was i was like wow this is you know i've been a film fan for years because you guys do a lot of you guys do a lot of like soundtrack and like score work yeah and it's kind of it's it's not no one's really paid us for it yet but labor of love labor yeah it's been yeah working with friends really and people that are directors and probably because no one else has asked but also um it's it's a bit like that sort of independent thing where you're doing it you are doing it for the kind of art side of it and then to create creativity and and it feels like a real team type thing well working with some hands-on director um who is you know shooting and editing and it's like a little guerrilla type team and it was great fun doing all that stuff and then so you feel the music is is considered you know a real part of the whole film

and and the director is treating it as that as well you know so it's really nice it's like an extension of making an album really yeah yeah it's there's like a mutual respect and it it does they feed each other a little bit i would say you know a good needle drop in a film is arguably the most memorable moment of of a good picture you know yeah more so than an amazing line delivery you know it's the kind of thing yes of chasing i suppose is to that is to get that in a moment where people will go quiet or stop tears in the eyes you know all the shiver type thing yeah fortunately all the all the songs that make me do that cost too much money so i never hear them in fucking movies that's that's the problem well peter can do a replay it'll just cost you 1500 no problem yeah yeah i think i got the chords right here well i i feel like a lot of your songs they they have cinematic intros where i feel like if i was a producer it's ripe for sampling like there's just like a perfect little eight bar melody loop right at the beginning with no drums or vocals on top of it is that something that you intentionally did or was you know paying it forward to the sampler for the djs we probably sampled it from someone else like no no no we we stole that yeah sadly we can't license that to you because we nicked it Yeah. Also, I'm assuming I wasn't there in the early 90s, but that was like when it seemed like there was, I mean, I was there, but I wasn't really old enough to be a cultural critic of what was going on. I know that that era was when the Western culture started really falling in love with Japan and kind of vice versa. I feel like your sound being like, you know, cute, groovy. kind of vibes and you guys were all looked to the part when you guys went to japan was it like a were you were you welcomed with open arms was it like a little bit of a cool mania yeah it was kind of amazing yeah we did get we got well i was gonna say chased down the high street by a bunch of school girls but we kind of did another day in paradise peter but they were actual school girls i mean like not sure not ones you'd

literally kids but it was the teacher that it was the teacher that they were following that wanted an autograph that's really funny to get this straight kids run after us oh no it's just the old guy in the back with the tie on wants to it was it was the mother hen was after you and her ducklings were following behind you it was safe but we uh we kind of uh i think we didn't quite really i'll show us was in its infancy and there's our stage show and uh i mean i think we were quite good but we uh what we didn't realize was that the ticket price was the same as um michael jackson uh but someone told us it's the same price and we were playing in this like small venue at 6 p.m and we had we brought a dj with us because we thought That's what we did over here. We didn't realize we were going to be on at 6 in the year. That's really funny. So Billy Nasty was DJing. He was on at like 5 o'clock. The sun's still coming in through the windows. I love the idea of being on Ticketmaster.jp and being like, well, I got two choices tonight. I got Michael Jackson or I got Saint Etienne. It's the same price. I've got 50,000 yen burning a hole in my pocket. Who am I going to see tonight? Generational talent, Michael Jackson. We've got these snippets between the tracks on this album. Some of them are stories from our past. So there's one that's in Japanese, but it was relating, this thing. After one of these gigs that we didn't realise cost so much, someone came up to us and said, you have a punk rock attitude. And we were like, cool. And he went, no. Not cool. Not cool. And you're like, thanks old Japanese guy who seems to have wisdom beyond our lives. He was a young person. He's like, I spent all of my yen to see you guys and I didn't think you were going to have such a punk rock aesthetic to you. You had let me down. Yeah, yeah, basically. It was withering. That's so funny.

That's so funny. But yeah, so maybe our Japanese career didn't really take off. So we've been a few times. Well, like I said before, once you quit and then reform in four years, Fuji Rock, headliner, it'll be you in the 1975. I'd love to go back because it's a great place. We did go back in about, well, it's probably about 10 years ago now. Okay. And did a sort of, it was like a supper club. We thought, well, we'll go anyway. Just so we can go. And it was two... You played a Soho house? Two sessions in the day. It's an amazing venue, actually, with a good view. People are eating dinner while you're playing. It's quite odd. As long as the check clears. As long as the flights get booked. I don't care if you're on Mali or you have chopsticks in your hands. We're playing. We're going to fucking play. We're going to fucking play. Great job. Thank you, Peter, for joining us on How Long Gone Today. It was a pleasure. The album is out today everywhere that you get albums. Featuring Orbital, Confidence Man, any other? Vince Clark. Oh, wow. Vince Clark's on there. Oh, there's a million. Errol Olcan. Errol Olcan. Tom Chemical. To name but a few. To name but a few. The album's called International. Yeah. Okay. We called all the homies. We called all the homies. We appreciate it. We appreciate it, Peter. Can't wait to listen to the record, and hopefully we see you soon. Yeah, it was fun speaking to you. Yeah, pleasure. Thanks for that. Cheers, guys. Toodaloo. Enjoy more ways to save at Kroger like low prices in every aisle. And when you download the Kroger app, you can clip and save more with digital coupons every week. Plus, you can earn fuel points to save up to $1 per gallon at the pump. At Kroger, you can enjoy more ways to save and more rewards every time you shop. So it's always easy to save big every day with savings and rewards. Kroger, fresh for everyone. Savings may vary by state. Fuel restrictions apply. See site for details.